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Season two of Love in Context podcast welcomes you.

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Get ready for engaging unscripted conversations with your hosts, Ben and Spencer.

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Our mission remains unchanged to explore the Bible through the powerful lens of love.

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In this new season, we'll embark on a journey together, unearthing fresh insights and gaining

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deeper understanding of how we can love God and live out our faith in practical ways.

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So let's dive into this season of Love in Context, where love and the context of the

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Bible intersect to transform our lives.

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Welcome back.

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It's us again.

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You thought we were gone, but we're back again.

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I am leaving that in there, by the way.

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Welcome back to Love in Context podcast.

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This is Ben.

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I'm Spencer.

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And we are joined once again by Captain Shelby outrinks her husband and the salvation array

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for now.

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I mean, technically, you're always be a little bit ahead of him.

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So I just like to remind you of that.

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Just years of years of service.

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That's all it is.

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This is the first time you went on a podcast, correct?

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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So we always tell people because they're always really nervous.

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We're like, listen, if this is like the least nerve wracking place to actually have to

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talk, we have we have like allies, we have like stuff we're talking about.

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I was like, well, I shouldn't say the least nerve wracking, like at home in the way or

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to yourself is probably less nerve wracking.

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But fair, fair.

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Laura, Laura Krug was on here a few weeks ago and she's like, you didn't warn me about

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the video.

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I was like, I definitely did.

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But I'm just not looking in that general.

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Well, OK, so just so you know, I mean, I wore a sweatpants sweatshirt hat today.

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Yeah.

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So no matter what, you're always going to look good sitting next to us.

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Fair enough.

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We've actually this is our third camera.

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The other two broke.

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Where we started trying to do video.

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Right.

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Second one broke when I had Bells Falsie.

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That was not one broke, you know, Charles.

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I tried to smile at it and they're like, no.

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Yeah, just in case anybody doesn't know what Bells Falsie is, it's really super weird thing

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that they don't know why it happens.

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But like the right side of your face just crazed stops.

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Well, it's right or left.

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It could be.

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Yeah.

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Like just stuff's working.

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Crazy.

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It was fun.

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So we are continuing on our mini series on women in the Bible and women in ministry.

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Captain Shelby came back because we once again figured that this probably not a great idea

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for a couple of middle aged guys to try to give you the female perspective.

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Just doesn't work as well.

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At least my wife tells me when I try to give her the female perspective that I'm wrong.

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So so so today we're jumping into the lineage of Jesus.

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But just a reminder where we started in episode one of the series about what is the foundation

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in the Book of Genesis and what did we talk about over the last year through Torah?

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And then we talked about, OK, well, who are these women of promise?

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You know, Sarah, Rebecca Hagar and and Rachel and Leah, like, right.

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Working through problems.

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Last week, we talked about like women in leadership roles.

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We talked about Miriam.

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We talked about Deborah.

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We talked about Esther.

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We talked about a hold of which I love that name.

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Hold on.

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I use it every day.

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Hadassah and hold up.

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But we what we mostly have seen is that throughout the Bible, God is using women to move forward

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his kingdom on a regular basis.

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So today we're going to be exploring the lineage of Jesus.

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And hugely important because typically women are not mentioned in lineages.

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That's not a thing you would see in their cultures.

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That's the thing you see in surrounding cultures of the day either.

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Always be a male names son of a male name, son of a male name, so on and so forth.

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So to have women mentioned in the lineage of Jesus is saying that God actually puts

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God is actually putting immense value on women and who they are.

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And in the book of Luke, it doesn't mention any women.

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It just goes sons are sons on the way down.

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It actually doesn't even mention Mary.

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It goes through Joseph and in the book of Luke.

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One of the things about the gospel of Matthew that we've talked about in the past is that

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Matthew is written specifically to the Jewish people.

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There's conversation about whether or not the book of Matthew was originally written

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in Hebrew because Eusebius, who is one of the early church historians, notes that he

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talks about the gospel of Matthew being originally written in Hebrew.

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He was writing that around 303 B.C.

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A.D., which had been considered closer to the time.

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Now there's a lot of scholarly conversation about that.

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It would have made sense for Matthew to write it in Hebrew.

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If you want to believe that he was originally in Greek, I'm completely fine with that too.

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But it's specifically written to the Jewish people.

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It's from the outsider's perspective because who is Matthew?

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Tax collector.

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Tax collector, not a well thought of dude.

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And it's those that are considered to be out are being brought in.

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Hence why you also have servants like the servant of the mount.

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Lest are all these people who you think are on the outside of the kingdom.

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God's working through them.

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There's things that might happen.

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Because it's written to Jews specifically, it would have made these names really, really

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pop out.

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Because this isn't the way that you do genealogies.

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Why would you be listening to women in the genealogies?

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That's a very abnormal thing.

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You know, it is.

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I mean, go look in Chronicles.

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You're not going to see it happen very often.

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And when it does, it's something very specific, like we talked about Miriam being a big deal.

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Let's go ahead and just jump into the first one here.

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I'm going to say it in the way that it actually says in the Bible.

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It says, whose mother was Tamar?

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That's how it says.

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They're talking about Perez, whose mother was Tamar.

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So who is Tamar?

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Like, who is Tamar?

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So Tamar shows up in Genesis 38.

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So Tamar has this relationship that goes on with the tribe of Judah and specifically Judah's

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sons.

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And basically, Judah's sons are like, we don't care about this woman.

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There's some pretty, there's some pretty, they're basically like, hey, we're just not

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going to give you a kid, but we're going to watch, you're going to just sit here and watch

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us extreet ourselves.

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And just to show you how much we care about you having a child.

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And to have a kid back in that day was huge.

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To be able to bear offspring.

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Well, man, like land, property, all these things are going to go through the mill lineage.

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So a woman left without a child, a male child, is going to basically be left without somebody

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to take care of them.

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So in this story, Judah has separated from his brothers.

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Joseph is in Egypt, but he's separated from his brothers.

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And he goes and he marries a Canaanite woman, which always ends well.

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A Canaanite woman named Shuwa, and they have three children.

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The oldest, it says that he gets a wife.

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So it's likely that Tamar is also not Jewish.

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So not only is a woman listed in the genealogy of Jesus, she's also probably not a Jew.

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An Israelite.

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So she's a foreigner.

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Tamar's name actually means palm tree.

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Last week we noted we were talking about the myrtle tree.

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Yeah, the myrtle tree for Hadassah, what her name means and how often women are named after

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And legally speaking back in this day, you were legally entitled to have kids.

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So the text doesn't really explain it.

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It says the first kid does evil.

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And dies.

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And God eliminates him.

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We don't really understand what the evil is.

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But the way that it would work, because you have to have a child, is that then the next

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brother would come in and step in.

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And he would lay with his brother's wife so that she could produce an heir.

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And the first child would belong to his brother, not to him, even though he was the one who

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actually sired the child.

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That's how you make sure that you are able to keep these generations and then these tribes

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going in this situation.

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But second brother's like, nah, I'm not going to do that.

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It's a very awkward internal phrase.

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So just go to Genesis 38 and you can look it up yourself.

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You can look it up for yourself.

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And so then he's eliminated and the younger one is young, too young to actually take a

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So Judas says, you know what, let's just punt this down the road for a little bit.

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Except when the kid does become a mage, he still doesn't come and lay with Tamar to produce

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a child.

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So then there's this really weird story.

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So like, by the way, this is in the lineage of Jesus and people are related to the story.

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So Judah is off on a trip and Tamar realizes that he's never going to give her the third

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son to produce an heir.

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So she decides to take matters into her old hands.

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And she goes and she dresses like a prostitute.

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And so Judah is at the city gates and he goes, oh, look, a prostitute.

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And then he wants to take her and bet her that she requires him to give her certain

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things as a down payment of signs, things that are definitely his.

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And so then he lays with her and he gets her pregnant and then she she bells and when he

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comes back to pay her, she's not there.

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But then later, this says that Tamar has been with a she's committed herself for prostitution

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and that she needs to be eliminated and that she should be she should be put to death.

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Which, by the way, I really think that's interesting for Judah to be like, how dare my daughter

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in law right after he just went and saw the prostitute that like double standards here

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Just a little bit.

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But then she says, she says, well, that's fine.

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You can cast me to death, but also you should know that I have these.

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And she shows him the things that she'd given as a down payment.

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And Judah makes a really interesting comedy says, surely Tamar was more righteous than

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Which is a massive statement in that culture.

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The patriarch is like.

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So we read that story where like, man, this is this is this is a really sketchy story.

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Tamar is actually legally getting what she's entitled to.

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She is legally now through some through some shyness, of course.

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But she ends up having a kid by the name of Perez from this union with Judah.

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And it's interesting that, you know, in some way, we're going to talk about a little bit.

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We're going to talk about Ruth.

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Ruth is actually given a blessing.

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It says through the offspring Lord gives you by the this young woman.

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May your family be like that of Perez, whom Tamar bore to Judah.

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The same Perez who is in the line that followed down to Jesus.

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Now, I think that's really interesting because we would look at this story and be like, man,

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this is a mess up situation.

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And yet even in the time of Ruth, they look at this as a blessing.

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God fulfilling his promise.

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So this is to caution people that when we talk about love and context, we actually do

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have to look at the context of the culture we're looking into and their culture isn't

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wrong.

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It's just different.

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With that said, we do not endorse prostitution.

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Correct.

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We do not endorse prostitution, nor do we we do the practice where if somebody dies,

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their brother should go.

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And yeah, because it's a different culture.

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Like women still have are able to buy and sell property like a tons of things.

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So it doesn't necessarily apply to us.

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But understanding their perspective is really important.

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And we're also like and you have to take into consideration too that the size of this culture

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right now, specifically the total tribes of Israel is not very big.

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Right now.

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So it's not like if you're living in a big inner city type thing and there's lots of

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people around, right?

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Like your way to produce your family and move your line forward is limited.

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So that's why some of these things were put in place.

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It's where if your husband dies and the brother steps in right and carry helps care helps

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you carry the line on.

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Right.

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It's just because they're actually it was a small culture at this time.

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Right.

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And we got to keep that in mind.

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Yeah.

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I remember last week you were talking about Vashti.

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Yeah.

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And her.

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No, I'm not going to show up.

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Yeah.

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I see a lot of Vashti and Tamar.

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Yes.

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Which is like, listen, if you're not going to do this, I'm going to take I'm going to

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take care of myself.

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Yeah.

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And she not only gets a child, but she also plans ahead so that Judas kind of caught between

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a rock and a hard place.

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In the situation is like, oh, yeah, I can't weasel my way out of this one.

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I just don't know what happened.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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We see right away in the line of Jesus is, is that these people who stick out like sore

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thumbs, they're not necessarily I don't want to say unrighteous people because I don't

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I don't think in this case, Tamar is more righteous than Judah, the lion of Judah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And it's a it's a awkward, weird story.

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Yeah.

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That is probably one of those ones you don't want to bring up at Thanksgiving dinner.

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Right.

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Hey, remember when Tamar trick you like this isn't something that comes out, you know,

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and remember when great grandma, you know, and yet this is in the in the lineage of Jesus

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Christ.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And she's a she's a woman.

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She's a foreigner.

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But yet she is more righteous than the tribe of Judah.

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Let that sink in.

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Yeah.

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Which brings us to our next contender.

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Yeah.

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Who is a Rahab?

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Rahab.

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Whose mother was Rahab.

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Now, Rahab was a prostitute like Tamar pretended to be a prostitute, but Rahab actually was

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a prostitute.

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Absolutely.

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Shelby, how much do you know about Rahab?

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I don't know too much.

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She she was a prostitute.

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She was a foreigner.

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She was a Canaanite.

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She's in the land that Joshua was going into conquer.

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He's land Joshua.

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And she helps.

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She helps save them in and holds them in her in her household.

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So her name means wide.

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I don't really know what to do with that.

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Honestly, it may come up at a at a at another juncture.

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And if someone is listening notes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Send it send it send it in.

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Well, sometimes these things show up later and you're like, you're like, oh, oh, we

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could talk about Rahab and then you're talking about wide and you know, like that makes a

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lot of sense because where you have means why.

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You know, but I don't really have anything with that.

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Yeah.

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It's more of like just a little tidbit for our listeners.

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So it's interesting, though, that she's not an Israelite and she is actually what Tamar

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was accused of being.

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Right.

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Right.

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But she lies.

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So the two spies go in and she lies about where they are in order to get freedom, get

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them to freedom, which reminds me a lot of the Hebrew midwives.

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Right.

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They lied to Pharaoh about we were running down there.

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Those babies just popping out before we can get there.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Like those those Hebrew women, they're you are sturdy.

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She asked them to have kindness on her and her family because she sees what God is doing.

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Now, she partners with God.

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She partners with God's people because she sees that God is working through these people

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and you're not going to be able to stop them.

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And she's like, I'm going to work with you, but please have grace on us.

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And they see and respond.

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They see and respond to her seeing what God is doing.

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Right.

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And that's why she's in the very line of Jesus.

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Right.

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A foreigner once again in the line of Jesus.

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Right.

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She's referenced multiple times in the New Testament, once in the book of Hebrews, where

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it talks about her faith.

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Right.

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Right.

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She has to be like basically turn her back on everything that she's familiar with because

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she sees God working.

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Yes.

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Well, and so can I culture to if you were harboring spies and you're caught lying about

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it, you'd most likely be put to death.

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Like that was the typical punishment for it at the time.

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The other interesting thing about this is she asked for protection and it says that

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they were lowered out of a window on the wall.

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Right.

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So it actually implies that her house was on the wall.

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Right.

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And so then when they actually, when Israel came in and through the power of God brought

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down the walls of Jericho, her house was unharmed.

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Like there's actually like a miracle component that goes into this of Rahab concerning Rahab's

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faithfulness.

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And it wasn't actually just Rahab, it's all of her family.

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Yeah.

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All of her family is blessed because of her faithfulness.

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Now it is interesting, like we don't see how everybody else felt about the Israelites coming

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through, but we know that they're spared.

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Right.

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Because of Rahab's faithfulness.

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Right.

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And so she has to go and she has to turn from everything in order to trust.

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She says, I see what God is doing and it's too powerful for us to oppose.

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I have to join in.

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But she has to turn away from everything.

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Right.

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Switch everything.

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If you're a person who follows Jesus and your entire family does something else, that's

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you.

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Right.

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But your ability to turn might just save your entire family.

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Right.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You know, she's also referenced by the way in the book of James, which we will talk about

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her a little bit there, but how about how she doesn't just have faith.

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She actually puts her faith in action.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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More like faith that doesn't prompt you to do something isn't faith.

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I'm going to say that again, because we got Captain Shelby from the Salvation Army doing

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good things in the world.

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Right.

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Faith that doesn't prompt you to actually do something isn't really faith.

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Right.

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It's only when faith is exercised that you actually see intellectually what you believe

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coming out experientially.

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Right.

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We have talked about it in the podcast before.

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Orthodoxy is really important.

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But if it doesn't affect your orthopraxy, what you do, then it's kind of pointless.

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Yeah.

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What's the point?

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Yeah.

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If you don't believe that, go read the book of James.

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We'll talk about that.

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Yeah, we'll get there.

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We'll get there.

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By the way, I was actually looking through these and I'm like, man, a lot of our stuff

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is connecting with itself without us even reading it too.

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We just had a bunch of series that we thought would be good for us to do.

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God does cool things.

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You know?

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Are you in James right now for your sermon?

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No, no, we're going to have a mini series on the podcast coming up later in the book

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of James.

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We're going to do like six weeks to the book of James.

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Awesome.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Rahab shows them in Hebrews.

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In the hall of faith.

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In the hall of faith.

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Up there with Abraham and all of them.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's like, oh, I got to tell stories about people who had extraordinary faith.

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So I have Abraham, Rahab.

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Somebody's probably reading that and they're like, Rahab.

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Like the other.

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Yeah.

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Well, if you were, because if you were a Jewish reader at the time reading that letter, you'd

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have been like, oh yeah, Abraham, Moses.

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Yeah, Rahab.

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Oh, Rahab?

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Okay.

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Like.

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Is that like a chapter and a half?

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Yeah.

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Like they would be like, oh, okay.

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Like it could have been like interesting choice.

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Yeah.

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But she is someone who turned her back on everything.

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Yeah.

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To serve the Lord.

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Right.

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And another thing that I, there's a real practical implication here too with Rahab.

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She didn't immediately quit her lifestyle when she said yes to God.

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I think what happens a lot of times is we get people who say yes to Jesus and then we're

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like, all right, boom, here's all the things you need to quit right now.

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Right.

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Right.

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When it's, when in reality, when we do that, what we're doing is we're taking it into our

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own hands to say, this is, I'm going to control the situation.

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And we're like, okay, do you think God's not capable of doing the transformational work

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in their lives?

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If someone encounters Jesus and doesn't know that their lifestyle is sinful, right.

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But they're like, I need Jesus.

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Right.

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Right.

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And we need to work those things out.

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We're called to walk alongside them.

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Yeah.

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Jackie Hill Perry, I'm going to throw a book recommendation out there, has a book called

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Gay Girl Good God about her, about God working through her life to bring her to faith.

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And one of the things she says in that book, which I think is, it should give people pause

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is she said, there are a lot of people who I believe in the church, had I not been homosexual,

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they would have been okay with me.

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And she's like, but I would have still just been as just as lost straight as I was gay.

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And so the issue was I was not encountering Jesus.

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And when I encountered Jesus, he taught me how to leave things behind.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So you were a lot of times we're like, hey, we need to treat the symptom.

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The symptom is not the problem.

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Right.

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The cause is they don't know Jesus.

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Yeah.

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So our job is to represent Jesus, right, to people.

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Yeah.

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And connect them with with the living water.

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And as First John says, if we walk in the light, as he's in the light, we have fellowship

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with one another and the blood of Christ purifies us from all night wretchedness.

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So what's the reality is when we walk in the light, we're not always purified.

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No, we're purified during our walk.

517
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Right.

518
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,400
Was that John or DC talk?

519
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,400
Yes.

520
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,400
Thank you.

521
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:03,400
Thank you.

522
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,400
Sorry.

523
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,440
So there if there's any, that's my favorite one.

524
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,440
So good.

525
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,680
We also just showed our age right there, everyone.

526
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:10,680
Yeah.

527
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:11,680
You're welcome.

528
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:12,680
Or like DC talk.

529
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,680
What is that?

530
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,680
Oh, can we sing it?

531
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:15,680
Or do we have to like, I'll cut.

532
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:16,680
I'll cut it.

533
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,680
But it's my favorite DC talk.

534
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:18,680
I thought an acquitant mind.

535
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,680
It's okay, Meg.

536
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,600
We'll actually get him on the podcast.

537
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:27,000
But the purpose in First John is that it's actually the walk with Jesus that purifies

538
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,000
us.

539
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,000
Right.

540
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,000
Yeah.

541
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,360
And so please don't miss who we're saying.

542
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:34,080
We're not saying continuing sinning is fine.

543
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,320
We're saying that we trust God to work out these things in your life.

544
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,720
It's a daily surrender.

545
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,480
And also as we're speaking into people, we're doing it through the through the connection

546
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:50,200
of relationship, not through the justification of speaking truth and love.

547
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,200
Woof.

548
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,480
Boy, is that a grating phrase on my ears.

549
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,480
Did you say love in quotation marks?

550
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,480
Love.

551
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:57,480
Yeah.

552
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,360
We've talked about speaking truth and love in Ephesians, how like Paul himself says you're

553
00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:06,780
in regular relationship and then in that relationship you speak truth and love.

554
00:21:06,780 --> 00:21:08,720
That's the context of that verse.

555
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,720
So if you're going to speak into somebody's life, make sure you got the relationship to

556
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,720
do it.

557
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:13,720
Right.

558
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,840
And you're better met not because you're annoyed with something.

559
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:21,040
So I do love that though, because like we don't know when we have stopping a prostitute.

560
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,880
It doesn't actually specify.

561
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,200
We do know at some point she has a kid who ends up in the light of Jesus.

562
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,880
So like there's actually nothing in scripture that states that she stopped.

563
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:30,880
Correct.

564
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:31,880
And that's not saying she didn't.

565
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,480
I'm just saying that there's actually nothing in scripture that actually states she stopped

566
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,840
that lifestyle.

567
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,000
But my whole point with it was that like she didn't see like, oh, God's moving in a powerful

568
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,160
way and then like stopped everything in her life.

569
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:50,880
She noticed that God was moving, that he was greater than the life that she had.

570
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:51,880
Right.

571
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,800
And she stepped out in faith to live her life with it.

572
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:54,800
Exactly.

573
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:55,800
And God honored that.

574
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,800
It brought it in.

575
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,800
Yeah.

576
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,800
Right.

577
00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,800
I think that's all good.

578
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,800
Yeah.

579
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,600
Whose mother was Ruth?

580
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:07,520
The Book of Ruth, by the way, is a great, great book.

581
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,520
Yes.

582
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,080
I would recommend a short miniseries on this.

583
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,520
It's done by walking the text, bread gray.

584
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,600
They go through Ruth chapter by chapter and they have some really good conversation.

585
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,440
You may not love everything they have to say, but I think that they do a really good job

586
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,080
of capturing the heart of Ruth.

587
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,600
But once again, who is Ruth?

588
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,520
So Ruth is a Moabite.

589
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,960
So first off, you have a foreigner, right?

590
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:39,200
And here, again, this actually ties back into that God is for all nations.

591
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,200
Right.

592
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,200
Right.

593
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,880
The fact that we're having foreigners mentioned in a lineage.

594
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,880
Yeah.

595
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,040
But Moabites are tricky even beyond that because they drew the runaway 23.

596
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,040
They are.

597
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,040
Right.

598
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,920
So into the LA, if you're not like, well, what's due road?

599
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,040
It says that Moabites aren't allowed into the assembly of the people, even to the 10th

600
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,040
generation.

601
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,040
Wow.

602
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,920
So they go back to Lot with the tribes that come out and the ancestral relationship with

603
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,960
Lot and his daughters, you end up with some really messed up tribes and they're cut off.

604
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,960
Right.

605
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,880
So yeah, so you have Moabites not allowed into assembly, right?

606
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,600
But yet Ruth makes it into the lineage of Jesus.

607
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:22,240
So, like that is again, just echoing that God is for all people.

608
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,840
For all peoples, all people groups, even the ones that are initially in Deuteronomy are

609
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:26,840
like, hey, you're not allowed in.

610
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:27,840
Right.

611
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,600
Well, and last week we talked about Josiah and how his faithfulness turns like an entire

612
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,040
generation for four years.

613
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,040
Right.

614
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,960
Once again, here we have Ruth, a Moabites being welcomed into the assembly because she's

615
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,480
somebody of noble character.

616
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,480
Yes.

617
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,480
Yeah.

618
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,160
Ruth is the daughter-in-law of Naomi.

619
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,160
Right.

620
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:54,560
So now, yeah, we have to emphasize daughter-in-law because she had two sons and a couple of daughter-in-laws.

621
00:23:54,560 --> 00:24:01,400
And then when her sons died, here is Naomi left all by herself, no inheritance, no one

622
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,840
to take care of her, any of that.

623
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,600
Her daughter-in-laws had no obligation to stay with her whatsoever.

624
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,600
Right.

625
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,680
Like they actually had 100% obligation to actually go back to their hometowns.

626
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,680
Right.

627
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:19,320
And their home communities and try to get married again, start a family, that little

628
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,320
type thing.

629
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,320
Right.

630
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,240
And Ruth is like, no, I'm not going to do that.

631
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,240
I'm going to stay with you.

632
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,240
Yeah.

633
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,240
Yeah.

634
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,240
Right.

635
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,240
Where you go, I'll go.

636
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,240
I love that verse.

637
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,240
Please stay or stay.

638
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,760
Who you like, the God that you follow will be my God and your people will be my people.

639
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,760
Right.

640
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:43,880
And that part is actually a really interesting thing is because that line in the Bible right

641
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,840
there that says, the God that you follow, I will follow, implies that Ruth wasn't following

642
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,840
God.

643
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Right.

644
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,080
And she was a noble character who was recognized that her mother-in-law had no means of taking

645
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,560
care of herself and that she was going to help with that.

646
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,560
Right.

647
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:04,360
Another one who, like Raham, gives up her way of life to follow after God and sees him

648
00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:05,360
moving.

649
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:06,360
Right.

650
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,440
And it's not exactly like it just gets easy either.

651
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,440
No.

652
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,720
Because she goes and she's like, so if you're familiar with Levitical law, you know that

653
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,120
they don't cut the ends of their field.

654
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:15,120
Right.

655
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,440
And that they don't come back and they don't do a second pass through their field because

656
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,840
what they do is they let the poor, the widow, the orphan come through and pick what's left

657
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,200
over for the food.

658
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,200
Yeah.

659
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,880
Like this is making sure that the people who don't have are always able to be able to be

660
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,880
taken care of.

661
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,880
Right.

662
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,080
And so Ruth is doing that and she catches the eyes of a guy named Boaz.

663
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,760
Hey, Boaz.

664
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,120
And he's like, we'll tell you what, don't go to somebody else's field.

665
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,600
I want you to stay with me.

666
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,600
Right.

667
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,800
And then Boaz starts doing things like, he's like, listen, if you drop a, you know, drops

668
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,960
and stuff once in a while, it's okay.

669
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,000
Like, don't cut, don't cut this.

670
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,640
Like, let's just let Ruth go in there and pick up.

671
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,760
And then of course they always like, why do you have so much wheat?

672
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,400
Like what, when the world is happening?

673
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,920
Like, like I understand.

674
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,280
Like, she's like, something's going on here.

675
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,880
And so then she hatches this thing where she's like, you know, he is actually your kinsman

676
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,400
redeemer, which briefly we need to talk about kinsman redeemer.

677
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,400
Right.

678
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:21,120
And so if somebody is, is orphaned out there or widowed, the closest relative can come

679
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,960
and marry the person and bring them into their household so that they're not being left alone

680
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,200
and that so that their tribe can continue to go.

681
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,200
Right.

682
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,200
Right.

683
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,880
That's what a kinsman redeemer is very similar to what we talked about with like Tamar in

684
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,080
a very similar situation, but it actually has a name at this point.

685
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,240
Right.

686
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,920
When she's having this conversation with Boaz and we're not going to get into that.

687
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,640
I think that you should check out that mini series if you really want to get into the

688
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,640
story.

689
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:48,040
There are some remarks that she is known, known as a woman of noble character.

690
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,040
So not only does he call her a woman of noble character, she's known throughout the area

691
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,920
as a woman of noble character.

692
00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:03,600
This widow, this Moabite, this woman is known for her noble character.

693
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,480
Like of everything she could be known for, she's known for her noble character.

694
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,920
And there's a lot that she could be known of, known for.

695
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,920
And there's a lot of implications on what, there's a lot of assumptions on what she would

696
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,400
be like simply by the fact of her being a Moabite.

697
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,480
And so you have Boaz who's looking beyond that.

698
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,480
Right.

699
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,360
So Boaz steps in and he becomes the kinsman redeemer.

700
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:33,320
Then he brings her into his household and the story is so good.

701
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,440
And we talked about earlier with Tamar, she receives a blessing of Tamar and not unlike

702
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,680
Tamar is actually included in the lineage of Jesus.

703
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,880
Now as opposed to Rahab and Tamar, like this story is really beautiful, except you're like,

704
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,240
so why would this be similar?

705
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,400
Well, because she is a Moabitess.

706
00:27:53,400 --> 00:28:00,360
Like I guarantee you them reading in the story and they were like, Ruth, the Moabite.

707
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:04,120
Moabite in the lineage of Messiah.

708
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:09,600
And for those who are listening, watching, they're like, okay, I need to learn more about

709
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,280
what it meant to be a Moabite in that day and age.

710
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,960
There's lots of research on it.

711
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,320
Go do some reading.

712
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,120
And I think Iforamon's got some good stuff on that too.

713
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:19,120
Yeah, alephbeta.org.

714
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:26,400
He tends to focus more on Torah specifically, but he's going to have some really good stuff

715
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,400
as well.

716
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,400
But Ruth is a big deal.

717
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,400
Absolutely.

718
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,940
Ruth is a very big deal.

719
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:36,080
One more piece I'm going to give you guys that I think is really a good thing to do

720
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,080
in the book of Ruth.

721
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,840
I've kind of talked about names a little bit, but actually go through the names of the places

722
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,920
and the people in the book of Ruth.

723
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,280
The book starts out with there's famine in Bethlehem.

724
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,680
Do you know what Bethlehem means?

725
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,840
House of bread.

726
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,560
There's famine in the house of bread.

727
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:58,560
How ironic.

728
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,560
Hmm.

729
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,360
I wonder if that's setting a precedent for what's about to happen in the story.

730
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,440
You know, it's really bad when there's famine in the house of bread.

731
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,440
True.

732
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,440
Of all the carbs, bread is my favorite.

733
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:19,300
So the next person on the list here, as the text says, whose mother was Uriah's wife.

734
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:21,840
Now we all know this as Bathsheba.

735
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:27,520
And so this goes back to the story of King David where he sees Bathsheba taking a bath.

736
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,720
And then he's like, all right.

737
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,280
He's like, I know what I'm going to do now.

738
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,280
Yeah.

739
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,760
And so then when he's supposed to be at war in the times when King goes to war, David

740
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,760
was hanging out on his patio.

741
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,760
Right.

742
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,800
Patio staring at the neighbor who was being paid.

743
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,320
His priorities are the El Mith guys.

744
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,600
So he then takes Bathsheba.

745
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,600
Right.

746
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Right.

747
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,600
And like what first he gets pregnant.

748
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Yeah.

749
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,960
And then he tries to get Uriah to lay with her.

750
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,800
So you know, and there's some conversation about does Uriah actually know that David

751
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,040
has committed this?

752
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,200
Is he calling out the injustice or not?

753
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Yeah.

754
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,200
There's some conversation about that.

755
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,200
Yeah.

756
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,480
Essentially after he doesn't lay with her, he's like, OK, I got to get rid of them.

757
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,480
There's some trickery.

758
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,160
And so essentially commits murder on him through military positioning.

759
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Right.

760
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,160
Yeah.

761
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,160
Political positioning.

762
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:22,480
And so one of the things about Bathsheba is all of this is going on and you can't say

763
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,320
that she doesn't have a level of complacency in this.

764
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Sure.

765
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,320
Right.

766
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,320
I'm not saying like, I'm not saying.

767
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,640
We are not going to put the onus on her.

768
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,640
No.

769
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,360
We're going to put complicitness in here.

770
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,360
Yeah.

771
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,360
All right.

772
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,320
There's got to be some there's a level of complicitness and that was that was really

773
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,320
hard to say.

774
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,320
I know.

775
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,320
Well, the onus is definitely on David.

776
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,320
Yes.

777
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,320
Like David is the instigator.

778
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,720
He's the one in the authority.

779
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,720
He's the one abusing relationships.

780
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,720
Right.

781
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,720
The one committing murder.

782
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,720
Right.

783
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,520
Like so the onus is definitely on David.

784
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,120
But there's also no record of Bathsheba speaking up.

785
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,120
Correct.

786
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,120
No.

787
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,120
She didn't.

788
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,120
She didn't Vashti it.

789
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,120
She didn't.

790
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,120
She didn't tamar it.

791
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,120
Yeah.

792
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,680
There's no record of her actually speaking up.

793
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,680
Yeah.

794
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,640
And so with this said, this is just kind of one of those stories again that you're like,

795
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,320
man, this seems like a very messed up situation.

796
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,320
Yeah.

797
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:16,960
But we also know we also have to consider too and we spoke about this earlier off off

798
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,320
camera.

799
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,320
We don't speak off camera.

800
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,320
What are you talking about?

801
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,320
I'm sorry.

802
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,320
You're ruining the illusion.

803
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,320
Sorry.

804
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,040
Assuming that we exist only here.

805
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:35,800
Anyway, King David is propositioning Bathsheba, a woman, a married woman.

806
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:43,640
So while she does have a level of complicitness, as you said, we also have to consider her

807
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,600
position in society.

808
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:54,160
And if she had refused King David's propositions, what would have been the outcome?

809
00:31:54,160 --> 00:32:00,400
And maybe she felt her hand was forced at some point that she couldn't say no to him.

810
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,400
Right.

811
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,160
Typically, I'm going to always fall on the side of whoever has the authority in the situation

812
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,160
shouldn't amuse it.

813
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,160
Absolutely.

814
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,040
And they're going to be the one who receives the brunt of the-

815
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,040
And he does.

816
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,040
Yeah.

817
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,040
Yeah.

818
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,920
And now it's unfortunate, of course, like the child that they actually conceive ends

819
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,920
up dying.

820
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,920
Right.

821
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,920
Right.

822
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,640
It does show the heart of David that he laments and he repents and all these different things.

823
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,640
Right.

824
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,920
And when the child dies, he actually gets up and washes his face and they're like, oh,

825
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,920
what's going on?

826
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,720
He's like, well, while the child was still living, there was a chance that God would

827
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,720
relent.

828
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,520
It shows his faithfulness in God's promise even in this to that.

829
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,520
Right.

830
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,520
It is really interesting that if you read the first and second Kings and you read first

831
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,520
and second Chronicles.

832
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,400
Now, first and second Kings and first and second Samuel written almost like they're

833
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,080
being written as the things are happening.

834
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,080
Right.

835
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,080
Right.

836
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Chronicles is at the end of the Bible, the Hebrew Bible.

837
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,080
We put Malachi there now, but in the Hebrew Bible, the Chronicles are at the end.

838
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,280
It's written from a later perspective looking back.

839
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,600
Chronicles doesn't even mention Bathsheba.

840
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,480
Not this thing like it.

841
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,260
It's a pivotal point in the Book of Kings of what happens in David's reign.

842
00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:10,040
But it's interesting that Chronicles actually points it to the point where David starts

843
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,880
trusting in his might and not in God's.

844
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,880
Right.

845
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,960
Bathsheba, though, is in the middle of the situation and she's caught up in a situation,

846
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,920
which is basically a lose-lose.

847
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:28,680
Because you have to say no to a king who is in charge, who is literally known for killing

848
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,680
tens of thousands of Philistines.

849
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,680
Right.

850
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,680
Giants.

851
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,680
Giants.

852
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,680
He's a giant slayer.

853
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,680
He's a giant slayer.

854
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:41,040
Like this is the guy who, when he was getting married to Saul's daughter, was like, oh,

855
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,440
you need to bring me 100 Philistine foreskins.

856
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,440
He's like, how about 200?

857
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,440
Right.

858
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,640
Which is a weird story in and of itself.

859
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,120
But this is who David is.

860
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,680
He's known for his mighty men.

861
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,420
Like they were giant slayers.

862
00:33:56,420 --> 00:33:58,840
They lay waste to armies.

863
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,080
How do you say no to someone like that?

864
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,920
And it's clear that God is blessing him because God has walked with him through all these

865
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,920
different things.

866
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,920
Right.

867
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,920
Right.

868
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,600
But there's also a prescription in Torah for her to do that.

869
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,160
We don't want to ignore that, but I would really caution my listeners to take Grace

870
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,160
with Bathsheba during this whole situation because I think that's the way we're meant

871
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,160
to read it.

872
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,160
Is that fair?

873
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,160
I think so.

874
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,160
Yeah.

875
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,160
Yeah.

876
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,840
Like I definitely think so.

877
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,120
I still think like there is still a level of buying that Bathsheba hat.

878
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,120
Absolutely.

879
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,120
But I'm not.

880
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,240
But like with that said, most of it's on David.

881
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,240
Yeah.

882
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:38,240
Right.

883
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:43,040
I mean, I'm going to have Grace with Bathsheba 100% in this situation because like it is

884
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,040
100% a lose-lose for her.

885
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,040
Yes.

886
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,040
Yeah.

887
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,040
100%.

888
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,040
Yeah.

889
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,040
I don't know if I disagree with you.

890
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,960
My concern is to take what we said and carry it too far with Bathsheba and being like,

891
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,960
well, it's her fault.

892
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,960
Yeah.

893
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,960
No.

894
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,960
Well, no.

895
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,960
Being complicit with something and it being your fault are different things.

896
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:58,960
Right.

897
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,960
Yeah.

898
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:00,960
You know what I mean?

899
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:01,960
Yeah.

900
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,360
The story ends up being a pretty big red mark on the life of David, who is considered the

901
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,640
gold standard of kings, and we're going to be talking about in our covenant series about

902
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,640
the Davidic covenant, right?

903
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,240
Which is a really important covenant when it comes to Messiah.

904
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:16,240
Yeah.

905
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,960
But this is one of those ones where it's a really big deal.

906
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,440
Now Bathsheba is also the mother of another child who's really important in the Bible

907
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,040
by the name of Solomon.

908
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,040
Right?

909
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,600
Who is also a pretty interesting person and does some questionable things.

910
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,840
It does some really good things.

911
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,840
True.

912
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,840
Right?

913
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,840
Yeah.

914
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,280
That kind of tends to be, I guess he's not dissimilar from his father in that way.

915
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,280
No.

916
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,280
Right?

917
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,280
No, no, it's a learned thing.

918
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:45,240
But so Bathsheba does show up one other time in the story where David is old and he's getting

919
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:46,240
ready to die.

920
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,440
And she comes to him and she's like, hey, you need to let people know that Solomon is

921
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,440
going to be king.

922
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,440
Yeah.

923
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,560
And so like kind of like forces his hand.

924
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,760
Suddenly she speaks up.

925
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,760
Right.

926
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,120
You know, and she's like, hey, you need to make sure that people know that Solomon is

927
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,280
going to be king because technically he's not your firstborn.

928
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,280
Right.

929
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,280
You know, but that is your intention.

930
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,840
And so David then says that Solomon is actually who God is going to use to be king next.

931
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,840
Right.

932
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,200
For all of Solomon's issues.

933
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,200
And there's a lot, there's a lot of good in his life too.

934
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,200
Absolutely.

935
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:21,080
I think one of the things with this story is, you know, Uriah and Bathsheba seem to be Israelites.

936
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,080
Yes.

937
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,800
And so this is actually now instead of being marked for like what you are, you're actually

938
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,280
being marked for what you did.

939
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,280
Right?

940
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,560
And you're seeing this situation and you're seeing it's not just not where you come from.

941
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,560
It's also what you did.

942
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,400
Like God is able to redeem all of these and put you into the line of Jesus.

943
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,400
Yeah.

944
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,720
I actually love that these four stories come up as part of the line of Jesus.

945
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:42,720
Amen.

946
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:43,720
Yeah.

947
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:47,600
Because the last one that comes up is this lady by the name of Mary, the mother of Jesus.

948
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,320
You might have heard of her.

949
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,320
Also by the name, by the way, Mary is a Greek translation, but her Hebrew name would have

950
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,320
actually been Miriam.

951
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,320
Right.

952
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,760
We're going to be talking about her more next week.

953
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,320
We're going to be talking about like Jesus and women in his life.

954
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,480
I do think it's really important to actually note that her name is Miriam because Jesus

955
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,000
is often positioned as the second Moses and Jesus's mother was Mary or Miriam.

956
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Right.

957
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,720
Moses's sister was Miriam who also was responsible for him getting connected with his mother

958
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:14,720
and like all these different things.

959
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:15,720
Right.

960
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:16,720
Right.

961
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:21,160
And not unlike Miriam in the Old Testament, Jesus is sometimes going to have to tell his

962
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,240
mother like, no, that's not what we're doing.

963
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:24,240
Right.

964
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,240
Where you're missing the point.

965
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,480
She's going to be a really pivotal figure in Jesus's life.

966
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,480
Right.

967
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,520
I find Mary to be one of the most interesting parts of this genealogy because one of the

968
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:41,160
things we forget about Mary in honor shame culture is that regardless of the fact that

969
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:47,800
an angel told her that it was from the Holy Spirit, nobody else would have believed her.

970
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,800
No.

971
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,800
Joseph did.

972
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,800
Yeah.

973
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,680
But nobody else believed her her entire life.

974
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,280
Well, Joseph did after intervention from God.

975
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,280
Yeah.

976
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,280
True.

977
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,280
He didn't believe initially.

978
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,280
Yeah.

979
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,800
But their entire life, they are going to walk with the shame of having a child out of wedlock.

980
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,800
Right.

981
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,920
And you know, there's going to be conversation about like, well, Joseph didn't even know

982
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:09,920
about the kids.

983
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,920
So is it his?

984
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:11,920
Did she get pregnant with it?

985
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,920
Like, does that kid even belong to Joseph?

986
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,880
You know, this is going to be a conversation all their life and in an honor shame culture,

987
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,280
she carried that her entire life.

988
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,280
Right.

989
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,280
And we we look now and we're like, oh man, she's such a courageous figure.

990
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,640
She walked 30 plus years with that shame with no redemption.

991
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Right.

992
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,400
Now her redemption came in heaven.

993
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,400
Right.

994
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,880
It comes in like generations of people understanding Messiah.

995
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,440
But like she walked with that shame.

996
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,440
Right.

997
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,080
She did what was right.

998
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,720
She obeyed God and she had to walk with shame.

999
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,000
And by the way, I want to pause there and talk about women in ministry today.

1000
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,920
Okay.

1001
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,000
Because there are a lot of women who are serving God today and are being attacked because of

1002
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,260
what they do.

1003
00:38:58,260 --> 00:39:01,920
And you may have to walk with your shame a long time, but God is bringing vindication.

1004
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,920
Amen.

1005
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,520
And he will continue to bring vindication.

1006
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:11,040
Just be faithful with what God has put in front of you and he'll take care of the rest.

1007
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,580
Right.

1008
00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:16,760
Like her willingness to play lay down her own life for the sake of God's commands, you

1009
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:22,040
know, and she not only that, like even when she just disagreeing with Jesus, she still

1010
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,880
shows up in his ministry all the time.

1011
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,880
Yeah.

1012
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,880
She's at the wedding in Cana.

1013
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,040
She's messaging him when things get kind of weird.

1014
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,040
Yeah.

1015
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,800
She's like, Hey, what's going on?

1016
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,840
You know, she's there at his crucifixion.

1017
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:34,840
Yeah.

1018
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,840
Oh my goodness.

1019
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,260
Like she does not leave him.

1020
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:39,400
She is with him the entire time.

1021
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,560
Right.

1022
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:46,320
And from every indication of church history, she's still serving after Jesus's resurrection.

1023
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,320
Right.

1024
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Continuing to continue on and help the church understand like who Jesus was.

1025
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,880
Right.

1026
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:54,880
That's faithfulness.

1027
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,880
That's faithfulness.

1028
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,880
That's faithfulness.

1029
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,880
Yeah.

1030
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,880
Mm hmm.

1031
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,880
Yeah.

1032
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:04,000
And if you are someone who's listening and you're married to a woman in ministry, look

1033
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,280
at the life of Joseph.

1034
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,280
Yep.

1035
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,000
Like how he is like, I know this is going to be a shameful thing or you might be experiencing

1036
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
shame, but I'm going to walk with you.

1037
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Right.

1038
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,600
Like Joseph, there's actually surprisingly little like said on Joseph, not in the Bible.

1039
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,680
But one thing that has always stood out to me about his life is that he was always by

1040
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,680
Mary's side.

1041
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,680
Right.

1042
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,440
Like he was, he was always by Mary's side, always by Jesus's side.

1043
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,520
At least the times I was mentioned.

1044
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:38,280
He was in support of Mary and the call that the Lord put on Mary's life.

1045
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,280
Right.

1046
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,280
Yeah.

1047
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,280
He could have ran away.

1048
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,280
He could have said no.

1049
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,080
Joseph opted out of that shame.

1050
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,080
Mm hmm.

1051
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,880
But he didn't because the Lord called him to it and he was faithful and obedient.

1052
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,880
Right.

1053
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,880
Right.

1054
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,280
Being the support can be tough too.

1055
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,280
Be their advocate.

1056
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,280
Be their advocate.

1057
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,280
Be there for them.

1058
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,280
Yeah.

1059
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:03,560
And so for those who are listening and who are like, okay, can women serve ministry leadership

1060
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,560
roles?

1061
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,560
Right.

1062
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,560
The answer is yes.

1063
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,560
The answer is yes.

1064
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:08,560
Right.

1065
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,520
There's far more in scripture that talks about that in a positive way than a negative way.

1066
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,520
Right.

1067
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,680
In a society where they wouldn't have talked about women serving.

1068
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Yeah.

1069
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,680
Right.

1070
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,680
Yeah.

1071
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,280
Oftentimes what we get is we get that 1 Timothy 2 kind of thrown out there.

1072
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,420
Which we will talk about.

1073
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:23,240
It's coming up in a future episode.

1074
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:25,040
We will talk about that.

1075
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,440
We'll dive more in depth on that.

1076
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,720
The one thing I'll say right now is the verses prior to Paul saying women need to be silent

1077
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:35,160
is him saying men you need to speak up.

1078
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,040
So we're going to dive more into that.

1079
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,400
We're just going to let that sit as a teaser for now.

1080
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,360
But just if you are thinking like, man, should women be fast?

1081
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,040
The answer is absolutely yes.

1082
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,600
God's given women voices.

1083
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,200
He's given them callings.

1084
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,040
It's all throughout scripture, Old Testament all the way through new.

1085
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,400
Jesus had women disciples.

1086
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,400
Which we'll talk about next week.

1087
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,400
Which we'll talk about next week.

1088
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,560
A little teaser.

1089
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,960
So the answer is yes.

1090
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,400
And we're going to keep diving into that.

1091
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,400
Yeah.

1092
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,480
What you're actually going to find is that as we've come through the Old Testament, like

1093
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,800
we have these stories, we obviously didn't get into all the stories.

1094
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:09,800
We talk about women and problems.

1095
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,560
We talk about women leading the Old Testament.

1096
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,760
Now we talked about these women in the life of Jesus who are part of his story.

1097
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,960
It's actually only going to get quicker as we get into the New Testament because Jesus

1098
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,280
taking on disciples and then like the people who are going and spreading the word, Paul's

1099
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,600
disciples, his people who went out.

1100
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,720
When we started talking about all the people in the New Testament and then you start getting

1101
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,840
into church history, your mind is about to get blown on how much God is doing through

1102
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,060
women throughout history.

1103
00:42:36,060 --> 00:42:40,320
Now once again, I want to say every woman shouldn't be a pastor just like every man

1104
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,320
shouldn't be.

1105
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,320
Right.

1106
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,520
You are qualified not on your gender, but on the calling from God.

1107
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,520
Right.

1108
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,520
Right.

1109
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,520
That's the one we want to come back to over and over again.

1110
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,200
You are qualified by your call, not by your gender.

1111
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Right.

1112
00:42:54,200 --> 00:43:00,440
And you are called, maybe you're not called to be a pastor, but you're called to be a

1113
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,440
leader.

1114
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,440
You're called to be an evangelist.

1115
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,600
You're called to be a teacher.

1116
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,760
Whatever God is calling and to serve the kingdom of God.

1117
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,960
Be faithful.

1118
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,720
Be faithful that and listen.

1119
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:20,360
So Shelby, because we have you here, Captain Shelby, because we have you here, I love calling

1120
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,360
you Captain.

1121
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,680
Do you have anything that you would just say as an encouragement for women who are working

1122
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,040
in ministry now?

1123
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:35,720
I never imagined that this is where I would be in my life.

1124
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:43,440
When I grew up, when I went to college, I was going to be a music teacher and work in

1125
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,320
the schools and do this.

1126
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:54,080
I never thought that I was going to be in ministry in the way that I'm in ministry.

1127
00:43:54,080 --> 00:44:01,120
Now I had youth group, I participated in music groups, I grew up in the church, but I never

1128
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:09,720
saw myself as a pastor or never really thought about being a pastor.

1129
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:16,080
And it wasn't until I came to the Salvation Army when I was in college that I saw these

1130
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:24,640
prominent women speaking with authority, speaking with humbleness on the pulpit.

1131
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:33,880
And I had people speak into my life who discipled me and who encouraged me along the way that

1132
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:42,700
helped to cultivate this, that helped me understand how to listen to the voice of God.

1133
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:50,880
And it wasn't until just my backstory, it wasn't until I was serving in the Eastern

1134
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,760
Europe with the Salvation Army.

1135
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,800
And there was one moment when I was praying with someone that I heard audibly the voice

1136
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:04,040
of God telling me that this is what he wanted me to do with the rest of my life.

1137
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,200
It doesn't happen often, but when it does, holy cow.

1138
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,200
Yeah.

1139
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,320
Oh my goodness.

1140
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:16,240
I can't say that I've heard audibly the voice of God a lot of times in my life, but that

1141
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:22,400
is the one time that I can be assured that he was speaking to me.

1142
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:30,160
And when I eventually was obedient because I had my Jonah moment, I had my Moses moment

1143
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,400
after that saying, no, no, no, God, you called the wrong person.

1144
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,960
You've made a mistake.

1145
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,640
Boy was I wrong.

1146
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:47,440
But when I finally surrendered my plans and my control and my obedience to him, man, things

1147
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,280
started fall into place.

1148
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:59,760
And regardless if you feel God calling you to be a pastor or a leader or a teacher or

1149
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:07,000
your gifting is hospitality or whatever, even regardless of ministry, whatever you feel

1150
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:15,160
God is calling you to do in your life, be obedient and follow through.

1151
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:22,120
There is no greater assurance knowing that you are doing what God has called for you

1152
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,600
and the will of life.

1153
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,560
And now I can tell you, it hasn't been easy, especially when we moved to Alaska.

1154
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:34,560
It has been really, really hard for a number of reasons.

1155
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:40,720
But I have sitting here, I have been, I even through the trials and the tribulations and

1156
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:45,920
the hardships, I have never been more certain of God's calling in my life than I am right

1157
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:46,920
now.

1158
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:47,920
So excellent.

1159
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,920
I appreciate that.

1160
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,560
And yeah, that's it's one of those things where you're like, I want you to follow God,

1161
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:54,800
whatever he's calling you to be.

1162
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,880
If God is calling you to be a mother, go be a mother.

1163
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,880
Amen.

1164
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,880
God's calling you to be a housemaker, be a housemaker.

1165
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,840
If God's calling you to be a CEO, be a CEO.

1166
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,840
Right.

1167
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,720
So know where God is calling, not where you think you should be.

1168
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:07,720
Right.

1169
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:10,480
You know, and that's the big thing is we want to teach people to listen to the voice of

1170
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,480
God.

1171
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,080
It actually plays really well into when we get into our next series about following the

1172
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,080
spirit.

1173
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,080
Yeah.

1174
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,120
Like what is the, what is the evidence of actually the spirit is like learning to hear

1175
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,600
and respond to the voice of God.

1176
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,600
Right.

1177
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,600
Right.

1178
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:23,600
Yeah.

1179
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,600
All right.

1180
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,600
Well, we appreciate you being here.

1181
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,600
Thank you for having me.

1182
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,080
You dropped five minutes of knowledge right on us at the end and we love it.

1183
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,080
I love it.

1184
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,760
Well, thank you.

1185
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,360
We had given you 15 after that.

1186
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,840
We're like, no, that's it.

1187
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:42,040
I was, I was doing a presentation for our rotary and then we had our district governor

1188
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,480
here presenting and he was like, he's like, how much time did you give me?

1189
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,720
I gave him 20 minutes knowing he would take 35.

1190
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:48,720
Right.

1191
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:49,720
Right.

1192
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:50,720
And he's like, Oh, I think I took too much time.

1193
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,960
I was like, you did, but I grew up in the, in the Southern Baptist church.

1194
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,480
And I know that if you give a pastor five minutes, it takes 15.

1195
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,520
So I already planned on that.

1196
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,680
So, so true.

1197
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,680
Yeah.

1198
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,680
Yeah.

1199
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,080
So we will be talking about Jesus's ministry and the women who are involved in his ministry.

1200
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,080
Yeah.

1201
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,080
You mean?

1202
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,080
Until next time.

1203
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,200
Thank you.

1204
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,220
And that's a wrap for today's episode of Love and Context.

1205
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:20,120
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1206
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,120
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1207
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,240
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1208
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:31,600
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1209
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,220
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1210
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1215
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,960
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1216
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,780
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1217
00:48:56,780 --> 00:49:01,520
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1218
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:02,520
And until next time, keep seeking wisdom, embracing love, and living out your faith

1219
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:03,520
in the context of today's world.

1220
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,520
And then like James will crawl by my lap and he's like, I don't feel good.

1221
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:14,160
You can actually see her name means wide, which I don't know what to do with.

1222
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,160
Wide?

1223
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,160
Wide, like wide.

1224
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,320
So I don't know, maybe she had like a thick base.

1225
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,320
I don't know.

1226
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,320
Like, it's, it's, it's hard to know.

1227
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,320
Oh dear.

1228
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,320
Like a football player or something like that.

1229
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,320
I don't know.

1230
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,440
We're probably going to cut that just so you know.

1231
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,440
That's a blooper right there.

1232
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,440
Yeah, that's a blooper right there.

1233
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,520
Sometimes, sometimes the words come out of my mouth and I'm like, yeah, I don't like

1234
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,800
that.

1235
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,760
Are we soapboxing on Women in Ministry yet or are we pausing on that?

1236
00:49:37,760 --> 00:50:02,320
Go ahead and say it and then if I don't like it, I'll cut it.