1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Season two of Love in Context podcast welcomes you. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,600 Get ready for engaging unscripted conversations with your hosts, Ben and Spencer. 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:17,120 Our mission remains unchanged to explore the Bible through the powerful lens of love. 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,060 In this new season, we'll embark on a journey together, unearthing fresh insights and gaining 5 00:00:21,060 --> 00:00:25,440 deeper understanding of how we can love God and live out our faith in practical ways. 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,200 So let's dive into this season of Love in Context, where love and the context of the 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,760 Bible intersect to transform our lives. 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:40,640 Welcome to Love in Context podcast, episode two of Winging in the Bible. 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,640 I'm Ben. 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,280 I'm not Ben. 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,280 And this is Laura Frank. 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,280 She's with us again. 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,280 Hi. 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,560 We had fun last week. 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,200 That was fun. 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,600 The nature of podcast is that we actually recorded this one like 15 minutes after the 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:53,600 first one. 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,600 Magic's dead. 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,600 Sorry, guys. 20 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,680 But that's how it was. 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,760 It just wore the same shirt the next day, right? 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:00,760 You guys did too. 23 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,000 We are really faithful followers of Jesus. 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,080 We only have one set of clothes that we have to wear over and over again because we gave 25 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,080 the rest to the poor. 26 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,200 Well, you know, in Matthew, when Jesus is sending his disciples out and he's like, don't 27 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,200 take anything with you. 28 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,760 Like, that's how we live our lives. 29 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:15,760 Right? 30 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:16,760 Yeah. 31 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:17,760 We just don't own anything. 32 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,360 And this is my one sweat shirt, my long pair of pants. 33 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:21,360 My king and country. 34 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,080 It got off the rails so quick. 35 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,080 Yeah. 36 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,760 So, we are in the second episode of Women in the Bible. 37 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,640 And this one, we tend to be titled as Women of Promise. 38 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,680 And we're going to be talking about women of promise. 39 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:35,680 Yeah. 40 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,760 Because a lot of times when we're talking about, especially in Torah, we talk about 41 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,520 like the men that God works through there. 42 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,520 But we're going to take some time where we're going to talk about that because that's not 43 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:46,880 exactly how that works. 44 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:52,000 I think that we've maybe overemphasized these men of faith and deemphasized what the women 45 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,640 are doing at the same time. 46 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,280 For example, like Abram has multiple kids. 47 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,840 Not just he has Ishmael, sure. 48 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,100 He has Isaac, sure. 49 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:02,740 But after that, he actually has a bunch of other kids. 50 00:02:02,740 --> 00:02:04,640 Only one kid carries the promise. 51 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,680 It's the child that he has with Sarah. 52 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,320 Rebecca has two kids, but there's one kid who carries the promise. 53 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,680 Jacob has multiple wives, but there's one kid that carries the promise. 54 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,880 Now, ultimately, of course, all 12 become like tribes of Israel. 55 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,680 But there's one that actually is being worked through to actually bring forward into the 56 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,600 next section of what God is doing in their story. 57 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:27,880 And it's not just the men. 58 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,440 It is the men and the women together. 59 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,400 And we're going to talk about that a little bit today. 60 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,400 Teamwork. 61 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,400 Teamwork. 62 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,320 Teamwork makes a dream work. 63 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,480 Where's that from? 64 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:39,480 I don't know. 65 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,480 I know. 66 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:41,480 I don't know where it's from. 67 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,480 Figure out where that's from and then send it to me. 68 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:44,640 Don't send the thing to me. 69 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:45,640 Just tell me where it's from. 70 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:49,760 It's probably from something super inappropriate and I just referenced it. 71 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,560 So the first figure I want to talk about is Sarah. 72 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,240 And then Sarai is originally her name and has changed to Sarah. 73 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,440 Sarai is a name and actually means my princess. 74 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,440 And it's actually interesting. 75 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,520 There's a video and we'll link it in here. 76 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,280 It has to do with the genealogy in Genesis 11. 77 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,440 That is done by Baamah with Marty Solomon. 78 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:14,260 And they talk about how there is a Midrash conversation about who is Sarai and why does 79 00:03:14,260 --> 00:03:18,000 God choose Abram to partner with Abram and Sarai. 80 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,600 There's this thing that happens in Genesis 11 where it says that there are kids and there's 81 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,400 one named Milka and there's another named Iska, who's by the way never mentioned again. 82 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,920 But Iska is a Chaldean name that means my princess, whereas Sarai is a Hebrew name that 83 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:34,960 means my princess. 84 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,840 So there's conversation about are Iska and Sarai the same person, which then people are 85 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,960 like, oh, he's marrying his niece. 86 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,920 That's less weird in their culture than it is today. 87 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,240 And so I'm not saying that it's not strange. 88 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,920 It would be very strange in our culture. 89 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,720 It says that Abram and Nahor both took wives. 90 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,880 Now in Hebrew literature, whoever you list first is usually credited with making the 91 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,880 decision. 92 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,880 Even if they make it together, if it's Abram and Nahor, Abram is the one who made the decision 93 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,000 and would likely be the one who makes the choice. 94 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,560 So Abram chooses to marry a barren woman. 95 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Now why is that significant? 96 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,120 What did we talk about last week? 97 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,240 Gender value for what they can produce, what they can produce as children. 98 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,040 Abram is choosing the woman that they know to be barren. 99 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,040 Right? 100 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:25,280 Like that's a significant choice as a patriarchal society where it's about creating lineage 101 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:26,280 and family. 102 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:30,960 He now doesn't have the option of continuing his lineage with Sarah. 103 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,360 It's only going to be through somebody else because she's barren. 104 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,440 And I remember in that episode, Mari was talking about, he's like, wow, how do they know that 105 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:39,600 she's barren? 106 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:40,680 It's a completely different culture. 107 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,520 You know if somebody is barren. 108 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,880 Because as soon as they're not barren, they get married off because they can produce children. 109 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,560 So we'll link that episode. 110 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,120 I recommend getting in there. 111 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,280 So barren women, you kind of have to think about the impact that has on their psyche. 112 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:59,360 You have no worth, you have no value, you have no purpose. 113 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,640 And yet for Sarah, she's chosen. 114 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:09,120 Now it is interesting in the story later with both Pharaoh and Abimelek, they both, Sarah 115 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,120 by the way, must have been some kind of beauty. 116 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:17,080 Because she caught the eye of Pharaoh, Abimelek, and like Abram was aware enough of it that 117 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,760 he is like, well, we'll just pretend you're my sister so that they don't kill me. 118 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Men. 119 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:22,760 Yeah. 120 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,420 Thank you. 121 00:05:25,420 --> 00:05:29,320 And I believe we did talk about this in the episode when God changes her name. 122 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,720 But we're going to talk about the other side of it where we're talking about Sarai. 123 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,480 It is unlikely that both Pharaoh and Abimelek would have known that she was barren. 124 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:38,760 They would have just seen her. 125 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,200 And maybe also, especially in the case of Pharaoh where they have multiple wives, he 126 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,880 might not even care if she was barren because he's looking for a trophy. 127 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:47,880 Trophy life. 128 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:53,520 But the point of bringing up the barrenness is I want us to put our finger on barrenness. 129 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,720 Keep track of it because it's going to come up way, way often. 130 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,200 And going back to last week when we talked about this curse, this curse that people talk 131 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,480 about, that they would have trouble getting pregnant. 132 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,160 This is barrenness. 133 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,120 So right away we see in the lives, like we're having women who are having difficulty getting 134 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,120 pregnant. 135 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,440 We start to see a reversal of this in the lives of the women as they live into God's 136 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,440 mission. 137 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:17,440 Right. 138 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:18,440 Okay. 139 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:24,480 Also, the men that are associated with these women, they start to multiply in herds. 140 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,880 And Isaac is going to plant a field in famine and it's going to produce a hundred times 141 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:30,880 what he plants. 142 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:31,880 Right. 143 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:32,880 Okay. 144 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,360 So these imageries are going to come up over and over again and it's not an accident. 145 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,960 It's almost like it had a divine hand guiding it to write the Bible. 146 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:39,960 Right. 147 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:40,960 Over what's going on. 148 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,680 There is a section of the story of Sarah that I want to hold off on talking because I want 149 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,200 to talk about her at the very end. 150 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,760 So we're not going to talk about Hagar yet. 151 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:49,760 Okay. 152 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,060 I'm going to reference her briefly, but we're not actually going to talk about her till 153 00:06:52,060 --> 00:06:53,920 the end of the episode. 154 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,800 So in the life of Sarah, like, so she is a barren woman who's chosen. 155 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,080 She goes with Abram. 156 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,840 Abram chooses to leave his father's household, which is just so dramatic. 157 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:03,840 Right. 158 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:04,960 It's a huge deal. 159 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,280 She goes with them knowing that their line is going nowhere. 160 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:09,280 Right. 161 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:11,360 She's, she's wanted by Pharaoh. 162 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,600 Later she's wanted by Abimelech. 163 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,160 She's called the sister and she's just going with him through all of these different things. 164 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,960 And eventually they're given this promise that they're going to have kids. 165 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,000 Of course they wait until she's like 90. 166 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Right. 167 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,960 Because you know what women really, when they would definitely want kids, when they're 90. 168 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:29,960 Right. 169 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Yeah. 170 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,160 Like you were, you were thinking, cause you had your first kid, how old were you? 171 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,160 I was 24. 172 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,160 Yeah. 173 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,440 You were thinking, I wish I was like 70 years older than this. 174 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,080 Oh, at 66. 175 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,080 No way. 176 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,080 Right. 177 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,080 Yeah. 178 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,920 We were, we were talking about when my, my mom came down when she was with the kids for 179 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,920 a week that she was like, she was like, I'm so tired. 180 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,280 I was like, yeah, that was, that was 24 hours. 181 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,760 The reason that there is a reason the young have children trust me. 182 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:56,760 Yeah. 183 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,120 I, I'm even thinking, I was like, it might've been easier to have kids at like 23 than like 184 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,120 31. 185 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,120 And you know, I was like, that being said, like, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not 186 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:09,560 nobody on the podcast is having through listenership is having, has any sympathy for me. 187 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:10,560 No. 188 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:11,560 One because my kids are awesome. 189 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:12,560 So they have no sympathy. 190 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:13,560 Let's see. 191 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,760 And nobody on this podcast who is 90 wants to have kids. 192 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,120 No, you know, nobody who's listening, no matter how desperate you are. 193 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,120 Yeah. 194 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,080 So like it's like 90, 99 is when how old Abram is. 195 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,760 And so they're, they're quite aging when they have kids. 196 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,880 But it's the life expectancy during that. 197 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,640 Well, so it says that Sarah dies at like one 15, one 20. 198 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,080 I forget exactly what the text says. 199 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,080 It's older one. 200 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,800 So we're probably looking in, in the range of like 90 to one 20. 201 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:41,800 Okay. 202 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,560 So maybe the last third of their life. 203 00:08:43,560 --> 00:08:45,160 Yeah, probably. 204 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:50,040 And so there's a story where three visitors come by Abrams tent. 205 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,840 Now he's just received the sign of the covenant, which is circumcision. 206 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:58,600 And so he's been circumcised and he's sitting by in the front of his tent recovering because 207 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:59,600 gently. 208 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:00,600 Yes. 209 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,480 It's very typical when you're older and when you're younger, there's a reason why people 210 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,480 get circumcised on the eighth day as opposed to the 90th birthday. 211 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:09,480 Right. 212 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,360 And then he recognizes these three visitors and in whatever capacity you want to have 213 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,480 a conversation about it. 214 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,360 Like he recognizes that it's God and he says, well, hold on, let me make you some food. 215 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,720 And so he goes and he's running around, which there's a great story about like how Abrams 216 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,420 is full of generosity and, and love. 217 00:09:26,420 --> 00:09:32,200 But one of the things that's interesting is he tells Sarah to take three sias of fine 218 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,080 flour, right? 219 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,080 To bake bread. 220 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,080 Okay. 221 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:41,360 Three sias of flour is like making 120 loaves of bread. 222 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,520 Like he's not messing around. 223 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,860 And so she's supposed to take three sias of flour and make it into bread. 224 00:09:46,860 --> 00:09:47,860 And then of course. 225 00:09:47,860 --> 00:09:48,860 300 loaves of bread. 226 00:09:48,860 --> 00:09:49,860 Yeah. 227 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:50,860 Like like 300 loaves. 228 00:09:50,860 --> 00:09:51,860 It's a lot. 229 00:09:51,860 --> 00:09:52,860 It's a lot of bread. 230 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:56,400 And even if the bread in that time was not a loaf of bread, like we still a lot of bread, 231 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,400 still a lot. 232 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,320 Like however you want to define it, it's a lot of bread. 233 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,240 And so there's a midrash in there where it talks about how Sarah was actually a miracle 234 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,840 actually occurred that she could even make the bread. 235 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:06,840 Right? 236 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,160 Cause she makes all the bread for the visitors, sends food along with them on their way. 237 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,600 But they're talking about the extravagant nature of hospitality. 238 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,920 Now this story is actually one that Jesus references in the New Testament because he 239 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,960 says the kingdom of heaven is like a woman who takes three sias of flour and bakes them 240 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:22,960 into bread. 241 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:23,960 Yeah. 242 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,520 And the thing about heaven is that we don't necessarily call it sias in the Old Testament. 243 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,720 Like the language doesn't transfer over, but that is absolutely what Jesus is referencing. 244 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:40,320 And he says the kingdom of heaven is like the hospitality that Sarah exemplified. 245 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,320 Not Abraham. 246 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,320 Yeah. 247 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,920 And that's not to, that's not, we're not actually downing Abraham because Jesus talks about 248 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,080 Abraham a lot, but he's actually, he actually in his teaching is referencing something that 249 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,080 Sarah did. 250 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,440 I mean, she made all those loaves. 251 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,840 Yeah, she made all those Abraham did not make those loaves. 252 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,520 He was, he was also probably in a, in a fair amount of pain. 253 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,680 So he had the worst birthday present ever. 254 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:06,520 But you think about, you think about Jesus making this statement. 255 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,360 He says, you know, the kingdom of heaven is like that day that we went by Abraham and 256 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,960 Sarah's house and she made us all that bread and this hospitality, this love that we have 257 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:17,960 for each other. 258 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:23,960 And he, and you actually have the son of God referencing a very famous woman in the Bible 259 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,360 and talking about how this actually represents the kingdom of heaven. 260 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,560 You know, like that is, that is a really cool thing that happens in her life. 261 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:32,560 Right? 262 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:35,760 Well, 10, let's say 10 would have been good. 263 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:36,880 10 would have been great. 264 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,600 I mean, okay, guys here, you can eat these and you can take, right. 265 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,080 And take some for the road. 266 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,080 Right. 267 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,080 And, but 300 plus. 268 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,080 Yeah. 269 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,280 Was there any of your family, like one of those ones where you go over dinner and they 270 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,960 send you home with like six night fags full of food. 271 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,440 Hey, when Les and I were first married, that saved us. 272 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:58,440 We didn't starve to death. 273 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:03,680 But it's, but like, that's what it feels like, you know, it's like I go to grandma's house. 274 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:06,600 I'm probably walking home with like a, like a trailer full of food. 275 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,280 And, and if the kingdom of heaven is like that, that's not just going to give us what 276 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:12,560 we need in a little bit more. 277 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:15,680 I mean, you're talking exponential. 278 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:20,240 So whenever my family does like a big extended family gathering, it's all, it's usually like, 279 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,120 and if it's going to be for multiple days, it's usually like, okay, you're going to do 280 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,120 this meal, you're going to do this. 281 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,820 Now you're going to do this meal. 282 00:12:25,820 --> 00:12:30,880 The reality is, is my mom has already bought all the food for all the meals. 283 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,040 Of course she has. 284 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,000 And she's already got, she's already, she's already got the plan of every meal she's going 285 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,000 to cook. 286 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Right. 287 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Right. 288 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,280 And so, so, you know, we still do our parts. 289 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,480 We bring our part, we bring what we have to the table. 290 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,760 And then my mom, then we get there and mom's like, no, I got it. 291 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,400 And then she makes something like way better than what we were going to make. 292 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:49,400 Right. 293 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,160 And happens every time, every time. 294 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:56,000 And then all myself and my siblings were all like, why did we even bother? 295 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,840 Like, we know that, we know that she's going to exercise the hospitality she knows how 296 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:00,840 to exercise. 297 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:01,840 Right. 298 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,400 And, and so it's kind of like that where it's like, we're still bringing our stuff to the 299 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,840 table, but God's already filled the table with everything we need. 300 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:08,840 Even better. 301 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:09,840 Right. 302 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:10,840 Even better. 303 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,560 Well, and the fun, the fun thing about this story is that that's when God tells Abraham, 304 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:17,800 it's like, when you come through next time, when I come through next time, like Sarah's 305 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:24,040 going to be pregnant and she goes, ah, and she laughs like in due to fair, rightfully 306 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,040 so. 307 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,040 Yeah. 308 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,040 Right. 309 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,040 Right. 310 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,040 Because you know, and she's like, she's like, man, is that, am I going to give a baby to 311 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,120 that wrinkly old dude over there? 312 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,200 That baby is going to be as wrinkled as that dude. 313 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,760 Like, that's the truth. 314 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:36,760 And so she laughs. 315 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,120 Now the ironic thing is that the name Yitzhak actually means he laughs. 316 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,120 Right. 317 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,760 But there's this fun little conversation that like God and Sarah have where he's like, Sarah, 318 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:47,760 why did you laugh? 319 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:48,760 He's like, I didn't laugh. 320 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:49,760 He's like, 321 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,760 Yes, you did. 322 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:51,760 It's the dad. 323 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:52,760 Yeah, the dad. 324 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:53,760 Yeah, you did. 325 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,520 I want to just, I want to keep an idea, like keep this in the back of your head, but she 326 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,720 laughs, Yitzhak name means he laughs. 327 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:01,720 Okay. 328 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,000 This idea of like something that the mother does that is actually picked up by the son, 329 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,120 because I'm going to come back to that a little bit later. 330 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:07,760 Then of course, Yitzhak is born. 331 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,200 There's this whole thing with Hagar and Ishmael. 332 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,360 We're going to get into that in a little bit. 333 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,720 So I don't want to step in there too quickly. 334 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,920 And then Sarah, one of the last times that she's mentioned before they talk about her 335 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,960 dying is right before Isaac goes up on the mountain with Abraham, you know, the very 336 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,040 famous story that's going on there. 337 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,640 After Isaac is on the mountain, Sarah dies in a place where Abraham isn't. 338 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,220 It says that he has to go to the place that she is, which I think is a really interesting 339 00:14:33,220 --> 00:14:34,220 thing in the text. 340 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:35,960 Now you can always read too much into that. 341 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:36,960 Right. 342 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,480 Like he could have been like visiting and going to her. 343 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,820 But also there's probably a little bit of a rift that happens after that. 344 00:14:42,820 --> 00:14:44,760 Also Isaac is not with his dad. 345 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,260 Like he has to go and go and see his dad. 346 00:14:47,260 --> 00:14:50,240 They're not in the same place, which is just, it's very abnormal. 347 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:51,240 Yeah. 348 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,240 Right. 349 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,360 There's actually an excellent episode of Baymah where they actually explore this a little 350 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:56,360 bit in some of the Midrash in there. 351 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,760 I'm just going to link that in there for you guys to check out because that's not actually 352 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,920 pertinent to our conversation today, but it is interesting that Sarah is just not mentioned 353 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,120 at that point until she dies. 354 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,120 Right. 355 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,720 So Isaac, Sarah's son, has a wife and her name is Rivka. 356 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,160 Rebecca is what we would call it, but it's Rivka. 357 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,640 And she is found in a very interesting way. 358 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,480 So Abraham realizes that he's getting old. 359 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,480 Older. 360 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:23,480 Older. 361 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:24,480 Yeah. 362 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,520 I mean, like he did have, he's been old for a while. 363 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,000 He has, he has, he has, I think he has 90 or 99. 364 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,000 One of the 99. 365 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,000 99. 366 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Yeah. 367 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,000 I think he has Ishmael at 90. 368 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000 90. 369 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Right. 370 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Yeah. 371 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,000 Ishmael is older. 372 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,000 He's getting old. 373 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,000 And so he calls his servant. 374 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,240 He says, Hey, I need you to go and find a wife for Isaac, but I don't want you to find 375 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:44,680 them among the people who are here. 376 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:45,680 Right. 377 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,120 This is by the way, something that Isaac is going to say to his kids as well. 378 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,520 It says, I want you to go back and go to Laban's household and, and look for one there. 379 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,160 So the guy goes and he, there's this whole thing about like, Lord, if, if you want me 380 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,520 to find this person, then I'm going to ask them to drink and they're not only offered 381 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,720 it a fee or give me drink, but they're also going to offer to bring water for my camels. 382 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:07,720 Right. 383 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,960 Have you ever seen a camel drink water? 384 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:10,960 I have. 385 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:11,960 And drink. 386 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:12,960 And drink. 387 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,280 And it says that he has camels. 388 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,280 Yeah. 389 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,400 So they're, I think, I think there's something like 12 camels. 390 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,400 Yeah. 391 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,400 Well, he's not traveling alone. 392 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,400 You didn't in those days. 393 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,560 It's not like he got on his camel and he wrote to find a wife. 394 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,680 Well, and so you're dealing with like, so I don't know if you guys have ever seen these 395 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,680 wells. 396 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,260 I probably will not be able to find a picture to put on the podcast, but if you look up 397 00:16:30,260 --> 00:16:34,320 some of these ancient wells that they go into, they're like these awkwardly carved steps 398 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,040 that go down into this area where you actually go and draw the water. 399 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,320 So you have to go down these awkward steps and then carry it back up. 400 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,320 And your jars are only probably about this big. 401 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,800 You know, you got to be able to carry it back up probably a gallon or less. 402 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:52,280 And so if you have to get like 130 gallons for 12, you know, Rebecca is, is making a 403 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,400 lot of trips up and down. 404 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,920 And I love that the servant of Abraham is just like, I'm going to sit here and make 405 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,960 sure she does every one because he's a little bit cantankerous because like he, Abraham 406 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,560 says, if you can't find her, then you're just being a step free. 407 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:06,560 Right. 408 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,440 And so like, maybe he's like, he's like, okay, God, I'll trust you. 409 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,520 You know, I'm going to, I'm going to make it like, well, and you need to touch on that 410 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,200 set free thing a little bit. 411 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,200 Yeah. 412 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,040 Because for Abraham's wealthy at this point. 413 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,880 And so to be a servant in Abraham's household means you actually have access to this wealth 414 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:27,040 and this provision and to be set free means that you will no longer have that. 415 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,040 I trust them. 416 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,800 Like, and so if you're a servant with nothing and Abraham's like, all right, I'm setting 417 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:37,560 you free, it's not, it's not like being set free from slavery after the civil war in the 418 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,560 U S right. 419 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:39,560 It's not like that. 420 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,360 It's like, Hey, you're now on your own and you don't have access to the wealth of my 421 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:44,360 household. 422 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:45,360 Right. 423 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:46,360 Right. 424 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:52,080 So we, what you see in Rebecca Rivka is you see this same kind of spirit that Abraham 425 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,200 has that Sarah has, right? 426 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,360 Like this is what Abraham is actually wanting. 427 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:59,880 And this is why he's going back to his family back in, back in Caldea. 428 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:00,880 Right. 429 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,400 Because you need to go back and find them here because these are the, like this characteristic 430 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,080 is what, what God is actually looking for. 431 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,560 This is who we are and I want them to represent it is who I want for my son Isaac. 432 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,080 And it's interesting that a Rivka, we actually see the exact same kind of generosity, the 433 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:18,320 exact exact same kind of hospitality, just extravagant because it's one thing to be like, 434 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,320 Hey, I'll give you water. 435 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,760 And then it's like, and I'm going to get 130 more trips for your camels. 436 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,560 That's a lot. 437 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,660 Well and didn't it say his, the people that was with him to his people. 438 00:18:29,660 --> 00:18:30,660 So it's like not only, 439 00:18:30,660 --> 00:18:33,840 I can't remember if it says that or not, but I mean, I think that it's believed that there's 440 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,440 probably good implication that that would be the case. 441 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,360 I know that when we were setting up to record down here, I had to take two or three shots 442 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,520 up and down our really nice stairs at the, at the church. 443 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,480 And I was also very tired. 444 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,440 And when we were done, we have to then take things back up. 445 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,800 I can't imagine 130 types. 446 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,800 Good quads. 447 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:53,800 130 times. 448 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:54,800 Yeah. 449 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,800 Yeah. 450 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,220 That's just so many. 451 00:18:57,220 --> 00:19:01,360 One of the reasons that Abraham sends her there is actually it's, it's previous in the 452 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:06,680 book of Genesis, in Genesis, it actually says that Abraham had been told that, that Nahor 453 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,880 had had kids with Milka. 454 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,720 And so now there was, there was actually kids in the line. 455 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,080 So once again, if you're trying to keep things, sounds weird here, but keep things in the 456 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,400 family and then keep your clan strong, connected. 457 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,840 This is the idea you would actually go in from your, or somebody closely related to 458 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:23,920 your family. 459 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:24,920 It sounds super weird. 460 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,240 Now it's not weird there. 461 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,000 We can, you have your culture by our current standards. 462 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,520 The thought process actually behind that was that your genes were more pure if you kept 463 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,520 them in the family. 464 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,520 Yeah. 465 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,840 And so the Egyptians held onto that thought process. 466 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,720 So that's why when you had Egyptian dynasties towards the end, towards the end of almost 467 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,320 every one of those dynasties, the last Pharaoh usually had some sort of deformity because 468 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,860 of the amount of incest that was going on. 469 00:19:51,860 --> 00:19:57,880 It's actually also why in Levitical law and just Torah in general, there's a lot of instructions 470 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,800 about not having sexual relations too closely to family about like, these things are not 471 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,800 good. 472 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:04,800 Don't do this. 473 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,160 Instead of explaining DNA and how you're going to end up with hemophilia, you're going 474 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,600 to end up with all these things. 475 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:11,600 Just don't do it. 476 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,600 Yeah. 477 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,840 And so modern science is actually confirming what God is commanding Israel to do in Levitical 478 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,160 law. 479 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,920 So one of the things that happens on Genesis 15 is Abraham is given this blessing by God 480 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,960 who says that look up in the skies and heavens, right? 481 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,360 Now I want you to hear this blessing that Rebecca has given from her family. 482 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:35,360 Our sister, may you increase to thousands upon thousands, may your offspring possess 483 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:38,320 the cities of their enemies. 484 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,760 Once again, you're having this thing of like population growth and like say your descendants 485 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,160 are going to be like the, you know, so numerous. 486 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,400 You're much mirroring like this whole Abrahamic thing, like she has hospitality in the same 487 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,680 way that Abraham has hospitality. 488 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,360 Now Isaac was apparently when they bring Rebecca back, he's apparently with his mother or was 489 00:20:56,360 --> 00:21:00,800 with his mother before she died because when he sees Rebecca, he weds her and then he brings 490 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,600 us into his mother's tent, which is super weird to me. 491 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,480 It's a weird turn of phrase, but it makes more sense culturally for them. 492 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:07,880 So Isaac has been with his mother. 493 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,560 That would be my implication from reading this is that even if Abraham is somewhere 494 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,040 else, he was with Sarah before she died. 495 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:20,200 Then once again in the text, what comes up next is Rebecca is not having children. 496 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,400 Barrenness again. 497 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,920 The difference in this, what happens here is that Isaac prays. 498 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,640 Isaac involves God and then God opens the womb of Rebecca, right? 499 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,080 Because she was childless. 500 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,160 And once again, we have God's people being fruitful when in relationship with God, like 501 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,800 following after God. 502 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,040 Now one of the things I think is really interesting, because I want to start drawing some parallels 503 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,480 in what's happening here between Abraham, Isaac, and these generations upon generations, 504 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,760 because I started to pull some really cool things out. 505 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:57,400 Ishmael, the child of Hagar and Isaac are always going to be at war against each other. 506 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,580 It's a longstanding thing. 507 00:21:58,580 --> 00:22:04,560 If you are not familiar, Ishmael tends to come into what is modern day Islam, and Isaac 508 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,480 is going to be with modern day Judaism. 509 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,000 There's a little bit of conflict between those two people. 510 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,560 I don't know if you're familiar with that. 511 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,560 Now the thing is... 512 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:12,560 Wow. 513 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,560 It's been a while. 514 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,560 A little lonely recently. 515 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,040 Now the interesting thing is if you actually look at Rebecca, she has two babies at the 516 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,320 same time and they're jostling up inside. 517 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,680 So she goes to see somebody and the statement that they're warring within themselves and 518 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:30,000 what they actually tell her is they say, you have two babies that are warring within you 519 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,120 and that they're fighting for superiority. 520 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:38,320 By the way, you should see that parallel between Jacob and Esau and Ishmael and Isaac, right? 521 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,600 Now one of course in one family as opposed to two different women, but this symmetry 522 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,840 of what's going on here. 523 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,040 And in both of the lives of Sarah and Rebecca, it was the son that they favored. 524 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:54,680 Now because remember when Hagar has a child, technically that belongs to Sarah, right? 525 00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:00,440 Hagar has a child, Ishmael would be technically Sarah's because of how families work in that 526 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,240 time with like handmaiden and things. 527 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:08,240 But she also has Isaac whose birth from her, she favors one son, which is Isaac. 528 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,060 And sends the other away. 529 00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:15,840 In the life of Rebecca, she also favors one of the sons and sends one of them away. 530 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,480 But in this case is the one that she favors, right? 531 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,080 It was the son that they favored that God worked through even when the fathers didn't 532 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:31,000 agree because Abraham didn't particularly want to send Ishmael away, nor did Isaac want 533 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,040 to give the blessing to Jacob over Esau, right? 534 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,400 And there's a lot of story by Isaac, by the way, just a small note here, you have a repeat 535 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,520 of the story of the Memlech too. 536 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,600 He does the exact same thing his dad does. 537 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:47,080 He says, oh, Rebecca's my sister, which technically the word that's used for sister there is technically 538 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,520 accurate, but it's also definitely not. 539 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,520 Yes. 540 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:57,040 So I know this is actually where, right in this section it says that Isaac goes and he 541 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,440 then plants in the time of famine. 542 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:05,520 So in a time of famine, Isaac goes and works the field and it produces a crop a hundred 543 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,520 times. 544 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:12,520 This is actually referenced in the book of Luke when Jesus is talking about if a grain 545 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:17,160 falls to the earth and it produces a crop 10 or a hundred times. 546 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,920 There's only one time in scripture that a crop is produced a hundred times, what is 547 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,360 sown and that's actually with Isaac. 548 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:26,360 That's a nice little callback in the scripture, what Jesus is talking about. 549 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:31,920 He says that when you lay yourself down, because this comes down the heels of Isaac laying 550 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,280 himself down on a couple of different occasions, once again go read it in Genesis, you will 551 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,560 see the kingdom of God come among you and multiply. 552 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,300 Because once again, what is the curse? 553 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:44,760 The ground is cursed because of you. 554 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:51,360 And yet Isaac, a man favored by God, plants and yields a hundred times in a time of famine. 555 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:52,920 It's just huge. 556 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,080 The last little piece that connects Ishmael and Esau is that Esau actually marries a woman 557 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,280 from the line of Ishmael. 558 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,800 Yeah, it's right after he sends Jacob away. 559 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,800 Genesis 28. 560 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,800 Yeah. 561 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,440 He hears Isaac tell his son, he's like, he's like, tell the wife like, don't let him marry 562 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,200 like Canaanite women, I don't like them. 563 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,840 Right after Esau's married to Cainanite woman and he's like, oh, okay, well I'll go find 564 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,840 him. 565 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,320 But like there's a lot of connections between those two. 566 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:22,600 Like Esau and Ishmael, man, those names, there's a lot of, yeah. 567 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,120 And then you move on to the next couple of women in our list that we're going to talk 568 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:29,000 about and that is Rachel and Leah. 569 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Yeah. 570 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,640 And this is really interesting because a lot of times we just focus on Rachel. 571 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:34,640 Right. 572 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:41,320 And you need to throw Leah in there too because they, because when Jacob was going to wed 573 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,240 Rachel, the dad was like, hey, seven years of work and you can have her. 574 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,240 So he's like, okay. 575 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:52,440 So he's like, okay, so he's been married for seven years and then goes to the tent and 576 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,640 then wakes up next morning, which is interesting. 577 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,640 And I was like, yeah, okay. 578 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,640 I took you all night. 579 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,640 Let's figure that one out. 580 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,640 And then he's like, wait, this isn't Rachel. 581 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,640 I don't have nightlights. 582 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,640 I know. 583 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,640 Right. 584 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,960 Well, Leah was probably told, keep your mouth shut so you don't hear the difference. 585 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:08,960 Right. 586 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,440 And then, and then he goes back and he's like, this was not the daughter I asked for. 587 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,160 And he's like, okay, well, you can have the other one just another seven years. 588 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,160 All right. 589 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,760 So, so there's this whole thing with Jacob being a little bit of a trickster, also being 590 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,080 cheated out of some stuff. 591 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,080 And there's a whole lot of stuff, but with Rachel and Leah, there's a couple of interesting 592 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:31,200 things that you got to know is Genesis 30 is probably one of the weirdest chapters in 593 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,640 the Bible. 594 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,080 And I don't know if this is a note, but we're going there. 595 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,320 I mean, there's, I was going to say the weirdest. 596 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,320 I mean, there's, no, there's so much. 597 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,320 There's so much. 598 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,160 I recall in Ezekiel, they're talking about wheels and wheels. 599 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,160 Yeah. 600 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,160 Right. 601 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,160 Oh yeah. 602 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,160 Right. 603 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,840 And so what you have is you have Jacob's sons being born. 604 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,160 It's the story of their sons being born. 605 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,520 And what you have is you have this, essentially this competition going on between Leah and 606 00:26:54,520 --> 00:27:01,120 Rachel on who can pop out more kids and Leah is clearly winning this contest. 607 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:02,120 So Leah's winning. 608 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:05,360 So Rachel's like, I'm going to get my servants involved. 609 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:06,640 Right. 610 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,640 Has it happened before? 611 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,440 The servants being involved in. 612 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,440 Yeah. 613 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,440 Well, right. 614 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,440 Yeah. 615 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,440 Right. 616 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,840 So the 12 tribes of Israel are actually born of four different women. 617 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,840 Yeah. 618 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,800 Because then as soon as Leah sees that Rachel's getting her servants involved, Leah's like, 619 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,880 I'm getting my servants involved. 620 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:29,480 And so Genesis 30 is this whole story about the 12 tribes of Israel being born from four 621 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,480 different women. 622 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,800 Well, and, and getting there. 623 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560 So when we have Abraham, we have two, two children that are fighting. 624 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,440 There is Isaac and Ishmael. 625 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,440 Yeah. 626 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,400 In the life of Isaac, there's two children who can't get along. 627 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,200 There's Esau and there's Jacob. 628 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,120 And then Jacob goes, and he has two wives that can't get along, Rachel and Leah, sisters, 629 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:48,120 by the way. 630 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,360 And I was like, you do realize that's actually repeating the exact same thing, but now instead 631 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:52,840 of two boys, it's two women. 632 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,320 I think the moral of the story is don't spend too much time with your animals. 633 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,320 Is that what you're doing? 634 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,360 Well, here's the hard thing for Leah. 635 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:04,240 Like I really want to, I really, I feel for Leah in the story, like so hard because like 636 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,520 one God, God hears her, opens up her womb because she's bearing up to that point and 637 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,920 then producing children. 638 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,920 Right. 639 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,400 So Leah is, she is married to Jacob. 640 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,680 Then next day he recognizes that she's not Rachel. 641 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,600 So the promise is for another seven years of work, but it actually says he completes 642 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,640 his week with Leah and then he marries Rachel. 643 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,640 Right. 644 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,560 So he doesn't wait another seven years to get married. 645 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,900 He actually marries Rachel right away after a week. 646 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:31,400 So whereas typically you would get married and you spend a full year getting to know 647 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,800 each other, learning to love each other, all those different things. 648 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,200 She only has Jacob to herself for one week, one week. 649 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,600 And that's just, that's hard, you know, like everything about that. 650 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,600 And like she's called with like weak eyes and then all these different things. 651 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,280 And it's just, she was not Jacob's beloved. 652 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,780 But a lot of her children, by the way, one of her children, Judah is actually where we 653 00:28:53,780 --> 00:28:54,780 get the line of Jesse. 654 00:28:54,780 --> 00:29:00,120 It's where we get the line of Jesus with King David and a lot, and the things that come 655 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,280 through that line. 656 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:07,540 It is, it is, it is incredible what God does through the life of Leah. 657 00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:12,560 Now I will say that Leah is not, is in this, in this title where we call women a promise, 658 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,600 while she is later a woman of promise, we're actually going to focus on Rachel on this, 659 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,600 on this particular one. 660 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,440 Let me ask a question about Leah really quick. 661 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,960 Leah was not the first choice. 662 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,960 She was not beloved. 663 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,720 There's a lot of other things that you were saying, you know, she was nearsighted or whatever 664 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,720 and she, right? 665 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,680 Well, weak eyes has to do with her beauty. 666 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,680 Oh, okay. 667 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,320 Well, it's a, it's a turn of phrase. 668 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,320 Okay. 669 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:44,480 So, she had more children, right? 670 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,480 Significantly more. 671 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,320 She had, yeah, significantly more. 672 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:58,240 And Judah, which that's the line of Jesus, did God bless her in that, saw her, recognized? 673 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,240 You know what I'm trying to say? 674 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,560 I believe that you could absolutely say yes, God did absolutely. 675 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,560 Recognized her, saw her. 676 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,560 Yeah. 677 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,280 And she's part of the whole women of the, you know. 678 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,280 Yeah. 679 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,680 It says that God sees Leah and enables her to concede is actually what it says. 680 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,800 Now the reason that's significant, we're going to talk about Hagar, but Hagar calls God the 681 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,400 God who sees me. 682 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,400 Okay. 683 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,640 So, this isn't the first time that God sees somebody, right? 684 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,600 God is the God who sees people, even in their oppression, because like whatever you want 685 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,280 to say about the line of Ishmael to this day and whether or not like people warning and 686 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,800 all those different things, God keeps his promises. 687 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,080 And he also sees people who are being oppressed, which in that case Hagar was, which we'll 688 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,840 get to in a few minutes. 689 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:48,480 And Leah, in a culture where women's purpose was to continue the lineage, then in everything 690 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:54,460 else she didn't have, she had esteem from the family, from the culture, from wherever 691 00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:57,280 she lived by having these children. 692 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,280 Yeah. 693 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,080 And I would probably say that she doesn't necessarily recognize the esteem that is necessarily 694 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,480 poured out over the next 400 to 1200 years. 695 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,480 She doesn't recognize it, but now we recognize the line that came through her life. 696 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,280 God sees her, needs her to conceive. 697 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,600 And once again, this connection between Genesis 3 between God and the man and the woman, like 698 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,040 God sees and enables her to conceive, in other words to produce fruit, right? 699 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,480 Leah gives birth to Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah. 700 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,120 By the way, who is Levi? 701 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,120 Levitical priests. 702 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,120 Yeah, I was going to say that, yeah. 703 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,440 Yeah, the ones who are charged with actually keep teaching the entire nation how to be 704 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,440 a kingdom or priest. 705 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,440 Like these are, so you have the firstborn, you have Simeon, who I don't have anything 706 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,080 good for, but you have the Levitical priest and you have Judah, right? 707 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:54,240 And like those are all really significant figures and tribes in Torah, right? 708 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,520 Now the interesting thing to your point where you say she's having a hundred children and 709 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,720 now Rachel's feeling left out, like you know what she doesn't do? 710 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,300 She doesn't go and pray. 711 00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:07,280 She goes and was like, Jacob, why aren't you giving me children? 712 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,280 Right? 713 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,400 And who else does that? 714 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,400 Sarah. 715 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,400 Yeah. 716 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,520 When I was going through this and preparing like some bare bones for us to go through, 717 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,280 I was like, man, there are so many parallels that we could pull out in these stories that 718 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,280 you don't see when you don't look at the women. 719 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,880 By the way, that's what happens when you don't look at the women because you miss a big part 720 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,880 of the story. 721 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:32,880 Yeah. 722 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,520 And so you have, getting back to our context of Mormon in the Bible, right? 723 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,080 So you have Rachel repeating Sarah's mistakes. 724 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,880 And then going like to your guys' point, like she goes and hey, bring my maidservant into 725 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,200 this, which then Leah also does, which is- 726 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:53,160 Which guys, whenever your significant other says, hey, let's bring another woman into 727 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,200 this, it's always, it doesn't. 728 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,200 That is a bad choice. 729 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,360 If you say bad choice, it's not going to end well for you. 730 00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,360 Stop. 731 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,360 Yeah. 732 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,360 Yeah. 733 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,360 Just stop. 734 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,480 It is really interesting too, because there is a subparion in here where I believe it's 735 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,520 Simeon, but one of Leah's kids finds mandrakes, which is a food, right? 736 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,600 And Rachel wants the food. 737 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,560 She wants the food and she's willing to give Leah something that's valuable in order to 738 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,560 get the food. 739 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,560 Where have I heard that story before, except instead of lentil stew, which I don't know 740 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,200 why anybody would give up their birthright for, it's mandrakes, which I also don't, I've 741 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,480 never had a mandrake, have you ever had a mandrake? 742 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,960 But it's once again, and one of the reasons I want to point that out is because the things 743 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,800 that God is doing with the men in these stories, he's also doing with the women. 744 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,280 It's very clear that it's happening to both. 745 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,280 Which is that equal. 746 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,280 Right, exactly. 747 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,840 And so then it says that God listened to Leah because then she's, because she's given up 748 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,760 and now she has this blessing and she can see again. 749 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,600 And it's so important. 750 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,600 Another thing that I think is super important in this story, I don't know if you actually 751 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:04,440 noticed this, that it's actually been the mothers that are naming the children. 752 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,480 That doesn't typically happen. 753 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,480 That doesn't typically happen because Abram is told by God his name is going to be Isaac. 754 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,480 Right? 755 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,480 So they name him Isaac. 756 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,800 They name him Esau because he was red and hairy when he came out. 757 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,960 And they named him Jacob because he was grasping the heel. 758 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,000 It wasn't, that's why they named him that. 759 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,560 And so there's no indication that it was Rebecca that named him. 760 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,560 Right? 761 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,920 But rather that that's just what they were named because that's what it looks like. 762 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,760 But then every kid that's coming through, he's going to be Reuben, he's going to be 763 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,760 Simeon. 764 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,720 All the way through to the last kid, when Rachel has the kid, she names him, oh actually 765 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:37,720 hold on, I want to get there yet. 766 00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:41,240 Well, he names him, but I'm going to get there in a second. 767 00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:44,800 There is a statement in here that says God remembered Rachel. 768 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,080 Which also begs the question, did God forget? 769 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,800 And like, that's kind of tongue in cheek. 770 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,440 Like obviously God didn't forget. 771 00:34:51,440 --> 00:35:01,880 I've always read it as remembered, not that he forgot her, but in a sense of promises 772 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,200 or that she's the wife or that, you know, it's like not acknowledged. 773 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:13,680 Well the turn of phrase comes up in the Old Testament for the long to in Exodus. 774 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,360 What else comes up before that in the story of the flood? 775 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,360 Yeah, and remember Noah. 776 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,080 Yeah, and the turn of phrase isn't that God forgot, the turn of phrase is that God is 777 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,080 on his way. 778 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,280 Yeah, God's on his way. 779 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,560 That's what it's really, what it kind of references, it's like saying with them in Israel is in 780 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:36,120 Egypt, it wasn't that God forgot them for 400 years, it's that he is now on his way. 781 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,960 When you hear that phrase, God, he then remembered what God remembered. 782 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,160 And if you're looking at a covenant to society where the greater party is always, the lesser 783 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,280 party is always at the behest of the greater party. 784 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,960 You have signs of covenant, God keeps the sign of the covenant, when he puts the sign 785 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,200 of the covenant in a way that you can't lose it, literally cutting it into your skin. 786 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,280 The fact that God remembered is significant. 787 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,160 It means that God, the greater party, is initiating the covenant. 788 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,520 That was what happened in the story of Noah, it's what happens in the story of the Exodus, 789 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,040 is what happens right here. 790 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,560 God is initiating his covenantal work in Rachel. 791 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,840 He remembers and he is enacting change. 792 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,960 He's coming to do something. 793 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,760 And now Rachel has two kids, she has Joseph, who gets in trouble for a number of reasons. 794 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,360 We talked about Joseph, go check out the episode. 795 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:26,040 But she also has a kid that she names Ben-O-Mai, which is son of Mysoro. 796 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:32,020 And this is the only son, by the way, that Jacob names, according to the text. 797 00:36:32,020 --> 00:36:36,000 He says, he changes his name to Benjamin, which is a great name. 798 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,560 Anybody would be honored to have that name, Benjamin being son of my right hand. 799 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,600 Now the interesting thing that I find about that is that Jacob changes the name from Ben-O-Mai 800 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,960 to Benjamin. 801 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,160 The first king that they have is a guy by the name of Shaul, Saul. 802 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,720 And you know what tribe he's from? 803 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:55,720 Benjamin. 804 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:56,720 Benjamin. 805 00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,720 Do you know, normally, what God wants for a king is he wants somebody who's capable of 806 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:01,720 shepherding his people. 807 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,520 Do you know what Saul did for a living? 808 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,520 Shepherds. 809 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,520 He was a donkey herder. 810 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,160 He wasn't a shepherd. 811 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,760 The obstinate, and apparently he wasn't very good because he lost his donkeys multiple times. 812 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,560 That's how he found Samuel. 813 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,880 He just went to a random house. 814 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,640 He's like, oh, maybe I'll ask the prophet, where are my donkey from there? 815 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,160 But he was tall and he looked like a warrior. 816 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,200 And so he looked like what you think a king should be. 817 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,880 But like his character, he was from the tribe of Benjamin. 818 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,760 Tribe Benjamin was small. 819 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,760 It was not significant. 820 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,280 If you want your king, it should come from the line of Judah. 821 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,440 I don't think that there's accidents in the text. 822 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,720 I think that those pictures are clearly drawn. 823 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:47,920 So let's go back and talk about Hagar because I really think this is probably a good place 824 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,200 for us to come back to. 825 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,000 So Hagar is an Egyptian slave. 826 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,160 Now once again, we want to point out that slave doesn't necessarily mean slave in the 827 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,320 same way that it did in the context of the American colonies or European slave trade. 828 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,520 But she was part of the household and any children that she produced with Abraham would 829 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,400 have been considered serfs. 830 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,480 So Ishmael would have been considered Abraham and Sarah's. 831 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,640 Now whether or not Sarah really felt that way, it's pretty clear that she did not. 832 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,720 So I know when this happened, this is before the name change. 833 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:20,720 Correct. 834 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,080 So you have Abraham and Sarai. 835 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:28,320 And there's actually argument in the text on that of since there was a name change that 836 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:34,880 happened, does that actually nullify Ishmael as the firstborn to Abraham? 837 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:40,320 Because God fundamentally changed Abraham's identity from Abraham to Abraham. 838 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,640 And so there's actually some power to that. 839 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,260 A little nuance, I'm not going to go, I'm not going to, that's just a good do some reading 840 00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:48,260 on your own. 841 00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:52,560 Well and, but even at that point is Abraham does have, and once he's Abraham, he does 842 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,480 have kids with other women who wants to seridize. 843 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,160 None of them are the kids of promise. 844 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,520 It is only when man and woman worked together that the promise moves forward. 845 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,500 That's what's going on over here over and over again. 846 00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:09,480 Now if you're not familiar with the story of Hagar and Ishmael, it's Genesis 15 on, 847 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,720 but there's some in that area, they talk about a lot of different things, but essentially 848 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:15,720 it's Sarah's idea. 849 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:19,040 She says, Hey, why don't you sleep with Hagar and produce a child for me because clearly 850 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,040 I'm barren. 851 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,040 Right? 852 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,760 Once again, she doesn't ask God. 853 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,440 She talks to Abraham and says, Hey, why don't we solve this this way? 854 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,440 And then of course Hagar produces right away and has Ishmael. 855 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:38,040 And then Sarah mistreats Hagar because she has Ishmael and she's jealous, which is just 856 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,040 unfortunate. 857 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,040 Yeah. 858 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,760 It's an unfortunate thing in the story. 859 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,080 So not surprisingly, Hagar can't, doesn't really like it and leaves and she's going 860 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,080 and she's wandering in the desert. 861 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,000 It says that she's got Ishmael with her and it says that she doesn't really know where 862 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,880 to like, she's not going to be able to make it. 863 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,680 And realizes that she's basically like, this is it. 864 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,560 So she puts the kid down and then retreats about a bows shot distance away. 865 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,560 Okay. 866 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,560 Okay. 867 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,280 It's just a weird note in the, in the story. 868 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,440 And it says that she's there and she's, and she is on the ground. 869 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,440 And then it says that God hears the cry of Ishmael, the, the Zedekah that he, that the 870 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,320 cry of the baby, he doesn't hear Hagar. 871 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,320 He sees, hears Ishmael. 872 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,320 Then he comes to Hagar. 873 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,320 He says, Hey, what's going on? 874 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,720 And you know, she explains it. 875 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,080 And he says, if you go back, this is what I'm going to do through your line. 876 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,080 Ishmael is the son of Abraham. 877 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,080 Yeah. 878 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,080 I'm going to, I'm going to do this, this, and this. 879 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,280 Like yesterday there's going to be like, he's going to have war with him, but he's also 880 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,280 going to have a line. 881 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,360 He's going to have a, have a nation. 882 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,520 And but I'm going to take care of you Hagar, because even though Abraham and Sarah screwed 883 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,920 this up, I'm still going to take care of the promise. 884 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,840 I'm still going to fulfill the covenant. 885 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,680 I'm going to, I'm going to make sure that things are taken care of on your, your part. 886 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:59,320 And Hagar, the Egyptian slave who is not a follower of Yahweh says, now I understand 887 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,840 that you're the God who sees me. 888 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,800 That is significant. 889 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,840 One of the first people to recognize in the Bible that God sees him is not only not a 890 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,400 Hebrew, it's a woman, right? 891 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,400 Slave woman. 892 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,400 A slave woman. 893 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:23,760 There's somebody who is not used to being seen and says, Oh God, you see me. 894 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,120 Which I think is a, is a message of huge encouragement. 895 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,960 By the way, for women today, when you are serving God and you don't feel seen, God sees 896 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,960 you. 897 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,960 Yes. 898 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,960 Yes. 899 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:35,960 Right. 900 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,960 Not just women, men too. 901 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,840 Like if you're, if God is calling you and all this, you're not feeling seen, God sees 902 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,120 you and he's, he's working his work through you. 903 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,440 So trust him. 904 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,560 Now the reason I think that's interesting is it says that about the Boz shot is it says 905 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:52,280 that Ishmael grows up to be an archer. 906 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,960 So Isaac's mother laughs and his name becomes he laughs. 907 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,320 Ishmael, his mother sets him down about a Boz shot away. 908 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,320 He becomes an archer. 909 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,000 How old was Ishmael at this time? 910 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,160 I mean, young enough that he's crying. 911 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,120 So I mean, it was somewhere between one and three, I guess. 912 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,520 It was before Isaac was born though, right? 913 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,720 Yeah, it was before Isaac was born. 914 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,360 And Ishmael's quite a bit older than Isaac. 915 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,720 Yeah, he ends up being about 10, 11 years older, somewhere in that range. 916 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:30,080 Because he's supposed to have Ishmael when he's 90 and he has Isaac when he's 99. 917 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,880 So like we're, we're just sitting like, you know, nine, eight, nine years away, older. 918 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,080 Hagar, Hagar is a hard part of the story because we see God's grace in the midst of the people 919 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,680 of God who didn't look the part in that moment, right? 920 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,920 I did, I do think that we see the faithfulness of God through the whole situation. 921 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,020 Right. 922 00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:56,360 One last connecting piece between Ishmael and Esau, by the way, Ishmael is an archer, 923 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,360 right? 924 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,800 I, who would probably be a hunter in that aspect. 925 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,080 Isaac works the land near the mother's tent. 926 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,320 Esau is a hunter. 927 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,360 Jacob is near the tent once again. 928 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,360 Right? 929 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,760 Patterns that come up over and over again. 930 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,360 Sarah doesn't want Ishmael to get an inheritance. 931 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,360 Rebecca doesn't want Jacob to have the blessing. 932 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,360 Right? 933 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,160 These things just come up all over and over again. 934 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,040 And all throughout these stories we're told they're about these men in the stories. 935 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,880 But I think, I think that what we've established over the last 40 minutes, there's actually 936 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,480 quite a bit about the women in these stories. 937 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,480 Yeah. 938 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,360 There's actually almost more about the women in these stories than there is about the men. 939 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,360 Yeah. 940 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,360 Yeah. 941 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,360 And they're a significant portion of the story. 942 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,800 And that's really abnormal for text of this age. 943 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:39,800 Yeah. 944 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,800 Right? 945 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,800 Yeah. 946 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,000 That there's any stories in here about women at all is crazy. 947 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000 That the women are named is significant. 948 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,000 Right? 949 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,280 That the women are named and then there's information about them because you can give 950 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:56,240 a lineage and go, you know, John married Betty and, you know, they had Bob and Bob married 951 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:57,920 Susan Lee, you know. 952 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:03,560 But the fact that there's actual information about them and not just lineage information, 953 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,840 but emotional information. 954 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,880 Yeah, we know how they felt. 955 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,800 We know how they prayed. 956 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,400 We know the hardships, you know, in some ways we actually know like physical characteristics 957 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,320 of them because we kind of know physically what Leah looked like and what Rachel looked 958 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,320 like. 959 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:24,040 And we know that Sarah was attractive enough to appeal to Pharaoh and Abimelek as was Rebecca 960 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,480 in old age. 961 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,480 In old age. 962 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,480 Yeah. 963 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,480 Yeah. 964 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,240 Because I mean, you got to think she was probably like 60, 70, you know. 965 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:32,160 I mean, so you're 66. 966 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,840 So you went into Egypt and the president of Egypt was like her. 967 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,760 You're like, all right, let's go. 968 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,760 I'd be a little surprised. 969 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:41,760 Yeah. 970 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,560 You'd be like, Les, did you tell your mom your sister? 971 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,560 Yeah. 972 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:53,680 The women of promise, there's a lot of God is working through men and women together 973 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,680 and it's happening. 974 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,040 And in a couple of weeks, we're going to be talking about the lineage of Jesus. 975 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,840 And in the lineage in Matthew, it happens frequently that Matthew mentions the women 976 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,920 that are part of the story. 977 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,040 There's Rahab, there's Ruth, there's Bathsheba, right? 978 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,200 Like these stories where the people are like, oh, we can't talk about that. 979 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:16,640 But all throughout the Bible, there's these stories of women and they're incredibly compelling. 980 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,560 And we read over them so quickly without taking time to actually put them into context or 981 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,480 we read them in our modern context and we don't take time to recognize how revolutionary 982 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,880 is what they're talking about. 983 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:27,880 Right. 984 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,720 In our last Q&A, somebody said, why is the Bible so anti-women? 985 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:31,720 I said, it's not. 986 00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:32,720 No. 987 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,060 Far from it. 988 00:45:34,060 --> 00:45:35,560 It's actually very pro-women. 989 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:41,620 And when you put it in its proper context, you recognize that God is elevating both sides 990 00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:43,960 of the humanity spectrum. 991 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,960 It's not just pro-women. 992 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,000 It's more than that. 993 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:54,400 It's pro-God working through women who are in the lowest class of life, who are the most, 994 00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:00,160 who feel the most hopeless, most helpless, who don't live in a way that's dignified or 995 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,320 don't live in a way that's even culturally acceptable in the day and age that they're 996 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,320 living in. 997 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,280 And so God's not only putting value on the women of promise, which is what we're talking 998 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:16,960 about today, but he's also putting value on the women who were degraded. 999 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:23,080 And so to say that the Bible is anti-women is to say that you don't actually have a grasp 1000 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,640 of what's going on in scripture. 1001 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:31,680 And culturally, you have to understand the culture of that time and what God did, which 1002 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:44,200 was not culturally savvy or accepted, and what he did and who he recognized and how 1003 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,840 he elevated them. 1004 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,840 I always think it's funny when we think we figure things out, God shakes it and puts 1005 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,840 it out. 1006 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,640 And he's like, yeah, that's not what I'm doing at all. 1007 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:54,840 And he has fun doing it. 1008 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:55,840 He does. 1009 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,840 You know he does. 1010 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:57,840 He does. 1011 00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,840 Oh, I can't. 1012 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,480 It's like we're always moving further into what God is doing. 1013 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,040 One of the crazy things that I think about eternity is God is so infinite that we're 1014 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:13,280 going to be living through eternity on earth, having an earth, right, and with him, and 1015 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:19,560 we're never going to reach the bounds of what it means to be with him. 1016 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:26,560 My brain can't even comprehend that because, well, it's hard for me to comprehend anything 1017 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,320 of that magnitude. 1018 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,960 Infinite doesn't make sense to me because I think our mind is stuck in such a finite 1019 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:34,960 place. 1020 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:35,960 We're three dimensions. 1021 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,160 One of the things I always talk about with people is we're like, oh, well, God works 1022 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,160 exactly like this. 1023 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,280 OK, well, we have an infinite God that we're trying to fit in a finite mind. 1024 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,820 So he's trying to give us pictures that are helpful, but let's be honest, we're not going 1025 00:47:47,820 --> 00:47:49,500 to get it completely. 1026 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:52,920 And so that's where faith comes in, in trusting the Spirit. 1027 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,440 Now next week, by the way, we love having you here. 1028 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,600 Hopefully we can get you back on another episode where we're just talking about the Bible. 1029 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:00,600 I like that. 1030 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:01,600 Yeah. 1031 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,320 Do you have any final thoughts about women that you want to share before we? 1032 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:15,600 No, just that it, you know, God, Hagar, you know, you are the God that sees. 1033 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:22,720 And if you're a woman out there that feels like you are not seen, God sees you, you know, 1034 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:26,800 and over and over, you know, God sees you. 1035 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:27,800 Yeah. 1036 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,100 And yeah, I love that. 1037 00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:34,880 So next week, we're going to be stepping into our next section, which is talking about women 1038 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,540 leaders in the Old Testament. 1039 00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:38,800 So if you want to read ahead of us, we're going to be talking about Miriam. 1040 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,560 We're going to be talking about Deborah. 1041 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,560 We're going to be talking about Esther. 1042 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,560 And we're also going to be talking about a person by the name of Huldah. 1043 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,280 And I've said that name a bunch of times and people are like, who are you talking about? 1044 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,240 I'll give you a hint, Synchronicles. 1045 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:50,960 That was Les's grandmother's name. 1046 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:51,960 Huldah? 1047 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:52,960 That's so great. 1048 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,960 I should have had him on the surface. 1049 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,080 But we definitely don't need three guys talking about women. 1050 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,960 Well, thank you for joining us today. 1051 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:07,320 Hope you enjoyed the conversation and until next time. 1052 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,340 And that's a wrap for today's episode of Love and Context. 1053 00:49:10,340 --> 00:49:14,240 We hope you enjoyed this engaging conversation and gained valuable insights into the powerful 1054 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,240 message of love within the Bible. 1055 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,360 We'd love to hear from you and continue the conversation. 1056 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:25,720 Connect with us by sending us your questions, thoughts, and suggestions to loveandcontextatgmail.com. 1057 00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:30,340 We greatly appreciate your feedback and ideas for future episodes. 1058 00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:34,640 Stay connected with us on social media for updates, behind the scenes content, and additional 1059 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:35,640 resources. 1060 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,440 You can find us on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and Facebook at Love and Context. 1061 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,440 Don't forget to hit that follow button to stay up to date with the latest episodes and 1062 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,520 join our growing community. 1063 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,080 Thank you for being part of the Love and Context family. 1064 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,880 Remember, love is at the heart of it all. 1065 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,760 Until next time, keep seeking wisdom, embracing love, and living out your faith in the context 1066 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,760 of today's world. 1067 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:05,080 You know, like to the to that point, it's like one more time. 1068 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,080 Hold on. 1069 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,080 Let off of us. 1070 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,080 But I still have to pick it up. 1071 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,080 Okay. 1072 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,080 I don't have an interpretation for that, by the way. 1073 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:15,080 I'll just have Yannick's people on the board with their own podcast. 1074 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:42,080 I'm just tired of that.