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Season two of Love in Context podcast welcomes you. Get ready for engaging unscripted conversations

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with your hosts, Ben and Spencer. Our mission remains unchanged to explore the Bible through

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the powerful lens of love. In this new season, we'll embark on a journey together, unearthing

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fresh insights and gaining deeper understanding of how we can love God and live out our faith

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in practical ways. So let's dive into this season of Love in Context, where love in the

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context of the Bible intersect to transform our lives. Welcome to season two of Love in

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Context. We made it this far. We made it this far. I think we said in our promo, all two

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of our listeners are still listening. We might have three now. Yeah, it's Pastor Nick and

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his wife and they're like making a whole nother season just for us. Well, and his wife only

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listens because he makes her listen. Yeah. Yeah. Because mostly I think she wants to

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find out if we mentioned her in the episode or not. So she can argue for us to pull it

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down. Self-defense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're getting started with our first mini-series

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of the year and it's going to be talking about women in the Bible. And so we thought who's

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more qualified to talk about women than two middle-aged guys. And our rolls are eyes.

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During the series, we actually have a number of women who are going to come on and join

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us and talk about women throughout the Bible. So this week and next week, we have Laura

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Cronk who is an illustrious member of our congregation. Yes. And we're very excited

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that she is here and she's just going to have a conversation with us about some things pertaining

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to women in the Bible. I told her to interrupt Ben as many times as she can. I will forewarn

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you though that when we did have Pastor Sarah on here, I did put in, got the mom look, got

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the mom look. If we do it enough times, I'll start like tallying it on the video and so

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people will actually know. When you have five kids, the mom look works. Yeah. So Laura,

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would you tell people a little bit about yourself? I'm 66 years old. That means I'm pushing 70.

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I believe that means 66 years young. Oh, okay. And I've lived in Alaska since 1994, a long

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time. Yeah. Got saved when I was 18 or 19. She? Unless I got saved before I did, my husband.

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And yeah, he was instrumental in planting seeds that led me to the Lord. Yeah. And been

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serving the Lord ever since. Been at First Assembly for ever since we moved to town.

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Yeah. Yeah. I knew you when you were in junior high. You were going to say smaller, but that

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wasn't technically true. Say it in little or, you know, when you were in young verb.

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Yeah. I went to school with two of your kids. You did? Yeah. That was a lot of fun. They

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may be watching now and being like, oh boy, what is going on here now? You know? So we're

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going to be getting into, we're going to be getting into the foundation of this series,

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which is we're going to talk about like, how does God set up women from the very beginning?

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So we're actually going to be recapping some things we talked about last season and some

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new things that we didn't talk about last season, but we're in the text of what we were

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talking about. We're going to actually just dive right in. And you know, not unlike our

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first episode, we're going to talk about Genesis. Yeah. So one of the things we talked about

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while we were in Genesis one, the first time is that you actually get to the end of Genesis

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one and it says that God makes mankind in his image. It says he made mankind in the

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image of God. In the image of God, he made mankind male and female. He created them.

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Right. And the whole context there is that it's, there's division, but it's actually

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singular. So it's not man is made in the image of God. Man and woman together represent the

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image of God. Yes. Together, we actually represent the image of God in the world. And that's

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the precedent set up from Genesis one. And we think that's really important because the

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second that you forget that your theology starts to get really twisted. We said very

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early on, it's shocking how often we start the story in Genesis three. Yeah. Right. We

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start the story in Genesis three, forgetting that Genesis one actually exists. Before the

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garden, there is this relationship, right? There's this relationship with God and with

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humanity. If you actually read it in Genesis one 26, it's you go and you read it and then

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you have this precedent where people are like, well, men are supposed to be an authority.

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They're supposed to be over the woman. These different theologies that have come out in

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Genesis one 26, it says they may rule. They will subdue. They will be fruitful and multiply.

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The implication is that men and women do this together. It's not meant to be done separate.

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It's meant to be done together. This is the precedent from the very beginning. And so

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we want to set the foundation now that this is the story. This is, this is where we're

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always trying to get back to Brad gray, who has walking the text.com. We referenced him

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a number of times. He has a series he calls the restoration of all things. And he's talking

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about how post garden, everything is about coming back to the garden state. And even

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in the book of revelation, you have this imagery of garden imagery, people returning to the

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garden. So in that everything that we do as Christians is actually to come back to the

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original design. It seems counterintuitive then to buy into the fallen design rather

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than the God blessed design. Right? Yeah. And the language is actually used in Genesis

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for God as your helper and woman as your helper is the same. Yes. It's the, it's the same

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language that's used. So, and that sets the stage for the rest of scripture. Yeah. That's

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Genesis two 18 on that is the Etzer connecto is the, is the Hebrew. One of the best descriptions

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that I've heard. And this is so everybody who listens knows that I'm not a builder.

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I'm not a car person, a contract. You just rolled your eyes. Like what didn't say that

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you're like, Oh, I know I had to go. I've been on the receiving end of you tried to

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describe house problems to me. And I've been like, what are you talking about? Yeah. So

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the way that I fix like house problems, car problems with the call Spencer and they get

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fixed and as long as you can describe it. Yes, exactly. Well, I say car, car, no good.

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That's where Tara comes in. Oh, good. Yeah. So the whole idea of Etzer connecto is, it's

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these, this force that opposes, right? Now people think, okay, well that means you're

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in opposition. Well, there's a good opposition is bad opposition. Cause when you're building

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a house and you're building an A-frame, you have one side on the left and you have one

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side of the right and they actually oppose each other in force, but together they make

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a structure, right? They actually oppose each other in force. And that's the idea of Etzer

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connecto is that you have people in your life who oppose you, but are for you. They're actually

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helping you to become something. And ideally in male, female friendships, relationships,

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covenantal relationships of like believers, that's what we're actually doing with each

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other. When they talk about men, iron sharpens iron. Okay. That's a force that opposes like

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you're actually helping to strengthen each other. Right. When, when you set a year marriage,

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you should like sometimes you're not going to be wealth. A lot of times you're not going

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to be agreement about everything. How long have you been married? I've been married 45

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years. So I'm getting to the point where it's not quite as much as it used to be. But there's

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plenty of things that you don't just, you just have different opinions on and that's

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okay. You learn how to work together. It's almost like being married teaches you how

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to love Christians. Well, because if you're, if you're like, wow, I know that I am committed

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to loving this person. So we will figure it out. Did you grace and compassion and patience

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and yeah, all the things. So God creates humanity, man and woman to be a co-patriots to fulfill

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his purpose in the world. And that's the goal from the very beginning. Now, once again,

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Genesis three is coming. And so we're going to talk about that probably in this episode,

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but before all that, the relationship of man and woman, they're partners that work together.

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Right. This is the foundational thing. And so like, when you want to go somewhere, you

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always got to know where you're coming from. Right. And then Genesis three happens. And

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I want to reference something we talked about last year, which I've becoming more and more

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convinced about is that in this section where Adam and Eve, they reach out and they just

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say, we want to define good and evil on our own terms. Right. We want to, we want to take

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this knowledge of good and evil. We want to have the ability to decide for ourselves.

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What is good and evil? Very dangerous in general. Yeah. Which goes back to why you don't want

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to eat from that tree. Yeah. Exactly. Why you don't eat fruit. Wait, that's not, that's

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that tree, that's that specific tree. Capital T. There's this, there's section where people

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say, well, the humanity is given a curse and I have maintained and we discussed and I'm

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becoming more convinced that there is not actually a curse of this leaven on mankind.

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And especially after talking through Torah, I absolutely believe that to be true because

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the snake is cursed to crawl in his belly. And then he says to Adam that the ground is

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cursed because of you. Okay. Adam is not cursed, but the ground is cursed because of him. And

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then we get into this very interesting piece. Tim Mackey has a great clip. I might put it

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in the show notes or he talks about what's going on in Genesis three, but it tells the

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man that he says you're going to produce fruit from the field through thorns on thistles

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and sweat of your brow. Right. It's going to be difficult now. And then there's this

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right after that comes this part where they talk about the women and they say, you're

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going to have increased pain in childbirth. That's probably what most people are familiar

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with. I mean, that portion of scripture problem is there's a word for childbirth in Hebrew

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and that's not the one that's used because childbirth throughout the book of Genesis

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is used over and over and over and over again. Like it happens so many times. The word that's

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actually used and is used also throughout the New Testament is this word for you're

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going to have increased difficulty in getting pregnant. Okay. So then Tim Mackey posits,

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he says, now you have this duality of the ground is cursed because of you. So man is

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going to have difficulty producing fruit and woman is also going to have difficulty producing

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fruit. It is the same issue that they're having in their different spheres. Now I think the

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tendency to hear what I just said is that I said that all women need to just bear babies

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and all men need to work the field. It's not what I'm talking about because this is patriarchal

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language from a long time ago. It's talking in general terms about man and woman. Right.

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Yeah. And again, remember that when Genesis was translated from Hebrew to English, they

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took a language that had about four to 6,000 words and then translated it into a language

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that had about 15,000 at the time. Yeah. So let's go back to what it actually says here.

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We'll take our best guess. Yeah. There's a little bit of that. We always want to give

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grace to the translators because they do phenomenal work. Yeah. But this word doesn't mean childbirth.

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It does mean to get pregnant. Now the interesting thing about that is we just finished at the

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end of last season, we finished Deuteronomy. Yeah. And one of the promises that God has

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throughout the Torah is he says that if you follow after me, he gives these lists of things

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over and over. He says, your fields will produce fruit, your animals will reproduce, and you'll

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bear lots of children. Okay. So what is God effectively saying in light of Genesis 3?

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What happens when you actually line up your will with his? Rust. That happened, not a

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reverse, but the situation you created, this is the effects, will be reversed if you walk

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with me. Correct. And then he says, if you don't, your fields are going to die, your

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enemies are going to raid you, you're not going to have children. Like you're going

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to be under the curse of the ground. Right? Not the curse of humanity, the curse of the

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ground. Right? Now, if you listen and you want to say that they have levy to curse on

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them, I'm completely fine with that. You can just disagree with me. That's totally fine.

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But we should see the imagery of what's going on there. And I think it's super important

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because it really helps us understand what does Jesus actually come to do. Because throughout

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the rest of the Tanakh, the Old Testament, Israel struggles to follow after God. They

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struggle to actually accept that which he's given freely. Right? And what Jesus does is

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he fundamentally changes our nature so that we are actually able to receive everything

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that God has always wanted to give us. Right? We will talk about that at some point because

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it's a really, it's a really so profound. There's a reason why the death, burial, resurrection

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of Jesus is a pivotal moment in history for the entire world. Right? God never leaves

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us without a way out. And that's always following him and doing his will. I mean, even from

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Genesis, even from the beginning, there was, here's your way out. Right. You know, later

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when you turn about too. Yeah. We often miscue curses with like punishment. Yeah. Sure. Right.

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And those at the root are two different things. Like to be punished is one thing or disciplined

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isn't one thing versus to be cursed is a whole, you know, totally another thing. Right. And

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so you have to be able to separate those two out. Like there was a punishment and discipline

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that happened when we stepped out of Eden. Right. Death, toil of the ground, hard work,

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water your brow, all that stuff. Right. That's a discipline. That's a punishment. That's

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not a curse. And consequences of your actions. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I was having this conversation

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with somebody. They say, well, well, God forgive me if I XYZ. And I said, well, here's the

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deal. Like, so let's say that you, you, before you're married, you step out, you get somebody

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very good. God will absolutely forgive you for having a relationship outside of marriage.

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There still might be a baby. Right. There still might be fractured relationship between

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you and this person. If you don't do or do not work things out. Right. That doesn't go

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away. You still have a response for that. Correct. Yeah. There is still, there is still

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a, not a penalty. I'm going to call it just a repercussion of what consequences. Yeah.

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And I was like, that isn't necessarily brought on guy. God, that is just a natural part

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of what the world is at this point, because the world is fallen. It hasn't been redeemed.

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It hasn't been passing through fire. As Peter was talking about purified back to a heaven

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coming to earth. It's not there yet. And so we live in a world where when you have these,

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when you step out and you're doing these things, you're going to have consequences that stick

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with you to your point, Spencer, like when you don't trust God to determine good and

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evil on your own terms, this is what's going to happen. This is just what it looks like.

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There's a reason why God told you to do it one way. It turns out if you create the system,

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you have a pretty good idea of how it should run, you know, where you're going to put in

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the escape clauses. Well, and you know, like I was having that,

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I was having that conversation actually with your husband, but we were talking, I was talking

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about, I said, I said, you know, people are like, oh, well, why death decay? And I was

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like, well, God told us how the world's supposed to operate. And then we choose to operate

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outside of it. And then we're like, well, why did, why is my body messed up? Why is

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my mind messed up? Why is my spirit messed up? Because it's not meant to be that way.

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You're meant to be in harmony with the way God created the world, but we're out of sync.

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I mean, it's a beautiful thing we call free will, but it's also a terrible thing we call

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free will. Have you ever formatted an Excel sheet?

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Not well. So I worked at a place where like they had

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some Excel sheets that were like expertly formatted. It was awesome. And every time

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I went in there to look at something, somehow something changed, right? And then I would,

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and then the HR person would like, come give me an earful and then be like, okay. And then

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she says, I just spent two hours fixing everything, finding the problem. Don't ever touch the

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list again. Right. But it's really easy to go in and be like, oh, well that seven should

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be a six and then you change it. And then all of a sudden your whole thing just falls

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apart. Right. Right. And so to your point, like it's really easy. Like God designed everything.

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He knows how it works and it's really easy for us to step in and mess it up. Right.

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I think it should be this way. I think this too should be a four. Oh, look

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at that. Everything broke. Yeah.

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And especially with Excel sheets, the cascade effect on all of your other sheets and all

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of your, oh my gosh, I mean, avalanche. Yeah. We're talking about Excel and there's somebody

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here who's like hyperventilating because they can just feel like you messing with their

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system. They can just feel it. Yeah. They can feel it right out. We'll keep him away.

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Yeah. One of the things, what reason I bring all this out is, is to point out like in the

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beginning man and woman, partners, compatriots go. So you're at the fill it, be fruitful,

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multiply. You do this together. Okay. Post fall, like together, you both are going to

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have consequences and they're very similar things. They're just in your own realm of

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what God is doing in your life. You're actually both responsible for following after and following

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God. And as you do that, you start to see this reversal of everything that's come before

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it because God starts to bless your walk. And so now instead the ground is blessed because

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of you. Like the places are blessed because of you. I think it's really actually clear

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and then it get a little Pentecostal here for sure. But when believers in Christ carry

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the Holy Spirit and go places, their very presence changes atmosphere. Yeah. It does.

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Right. Because you carry God into a place. And so if it's broken, you start to see light

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come in. Right. It's one of the reasons that I love, I always pray for and encourage Christians

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who work in jails because it's such a dark place to work. I was like, but their presence

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shifts atmospheres because the presence of God goes with you. Coming back to this idea

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of the temple, right? One of the things that I was going to say in talking about that each

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one had consequences for their actions within their purview or whatever, right? Which doesn't

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mean that the only thing women should do is have babies. Right. And doesn't mean that

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Adam the only thing he should do is work. Right. Which that has gotten skewed. Right.

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And it was written in a patriarchal time. Sure. Particularly where this was the jobs

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and this is to identify with that. Yeah. 100%. And we're going to try to pull that out over

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the next seven or eight weeks. A lot of these things where God has worked through women

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in leadership in elevated office. Now, one of the things I was actually talking about

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with a friend today is I said, well, we're talking and we're talking about women serving

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in ministry. I was like, not every woman should be a pastor. No. Or a missionary. Not every

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man should be a pastor or a prophet. Exactly. That's the follow up too is there's lots of

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people who are serving in pastoral ministry that probably shouldn't be there. Right. So

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what we are trying to do is dispel this idea that because of your gender, you're unqualified.

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Right. Now, listeners, if you disagree with us, that's totally fine. We're going to love

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you anyways, and we'll just disagree and figure it out. Right. We both love Jesus and we're

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going to figure it out. This is not a salvation issue. And if you think it is, then I would

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love to buy you a French fry. Just a French fry. Just one? To have a conversation. It's

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a sure conversation. Okay. One French fry. We'll buy you two if you agree with us. Yeah.

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We will just. We want to let you know, just because you're listening here, it doesn't

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mean you have to agree. Like people are going to have different perspectives, but I do expect

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you to be consistent. And we're going to talk over the next six, seven weeks of what that

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actually looks like. Right. So talking about tore up, some of the things we talked about

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last year that I thought were actually women specific, like then I wanted to bring up,

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you are when we talked about the test for the unfaithful wife. Are you familiar with

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this story? Okay. So in the book of numbers, there is this test that's given for the unfaithful

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wife. And it's this really weird story that when you read, you're like, what is going

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on here? Right. And so the story essentially posits that if a man thinks his wife is unfaithful,

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he has to go talk to the priest. They have to go to the priest together. And then the

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priest is going to take dirt from the floor, put it in some water, make her drink it. And

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if she's been unfaithful, her, she's her basic innards are going to show up and die. And

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if nothing happens, then the guy can't bring that accusation against her anymore. Right.

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Okay. Now we said that sounds really weird in our context because we live in the 21st

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century. It is really weird to interpret it for the first century. But I said, now you

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got to understand that in their society, women had no recourse. If they were accused of adultery,

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they could just be divorced, sent away, left with nothing. God says, no, you can't do that.

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Now if you are a wife and you haven't been unfaithful, do you really care about drinking

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dirty water? The fact that it's dirty water. It's not going to do anything. It might make

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your poop a little grably. Well, I mean, contextually to be fair, majority of the water was dirty.

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Yes. Like it's true. So it's not, it's not too much different. And if you have

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committed adultery, you're probably not going to drink it because you know what it's going

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to do to you. So what it does is it gives women a recourse to actually one, come against

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their husbands. And also they have to bring it to the priest. And if they bring a false

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accusation, there is, there's a very strong shame and honor culture. Yeah. And so the

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husband actually brings shame. So there, it gets rid of a lot of baseless accusations,

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right? Because they're like, well, you cheated on me. Well, let's go to the priest. Here,

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give me the water. Yeah. If you haven't done it, like you don't care. You know, you're

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not doing anything. So we're like, this thing that seems like it's an anti-women thing is

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actually very progressive when you're actually looking in the context of what it's actually

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talking about. It's actually elevating rights. It gives women both power and dignity in this,

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in this context. And that's really important because in their culture, they're very suppressed.

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Yeah. Right. And it works along the same lines of when the two mothers came to Solomon, each

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having the baby. And he said, well, we'll cut the baby in half and you can both have.

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And the, you know, there's a psychology in here and the same with the dirty water, right?

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If you haven't cheated, you're not going to worry about it. Right? Yeah. And, you know,

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and the mother whose baby it was said, no, give it to her. Yeah. The mother would rather

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the baby stays alive. Yes. Then, and they never have it. Yeah. Then the baby would be

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cut in half. Right. And now to be fair, most fathers would also, you know, we would just

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also probably get in a fight because that's how we roll. But if I, if my husband's falsely

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accusing me, you know, give me the water. Yeah. Give me the water. Yeah. It gives you

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actionable recourse, which is a big deal. And it's not, there was power. Yeah. And then

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we talked about in Leviticus, there is this, this prescription on childbirth. So when women

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give birth, like they're unclean for a certain amount of time because there's discharge and

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all sorts of things. But for boys, the time is half of what it is for the women when they're,

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when they're born with daughters. And there's a lot of conversation about that. But we said,

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why don't we assume that God's actually for women instead of against them and think about

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why this might be the case. So if you go into a patriarchal society where women are not

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valued as highly as men, where daughters might be cast aside so that they can actually have

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boys, right. Left out in the wilderness, those types of things. If you have to spend twice

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as much time with the girls, every time that they're born, generation after generation

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after generation, after generation, what's going to start happening? You're going to

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start to have more affection and more, more like connection, connection with the daughters

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and daughters are going to start to matter more and more. Especially to the mothers.

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right? Mothers, mothers and daughters are going to become closer and closer. They're

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going to be valued more and more and more over time. It's going to take time because

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you can't necessarily change a culture instantly. Right? I wish you could. That was the same

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thing. It takes a lot of time. Yeah, it takes a lot of time. But a lot of the things that

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we see happening in Leviticus and Numbers and Torah as a whole is God instituting changes

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that are promoting them to be more ethical, loving, kind people. The problem is if you

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take Leviticus and you compare it to modern law, it seems really archaic. Well, that's

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because it is. Yeah. You got to compare it against what they were doing and what are

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they actually trying to do inside of it. Yeah. Yeah. Even modern, like in modern life, if

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you followed the Levitical law, your family would be so much healthier. Right? Like in

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general, like there's some things that don't necessarily apply because we're not desert

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people. Like we are definitely not desert people. Oh, no. Yeah. No. Especially with

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the temperature exciting today. Yeah, I know. It's very cold today. Last week I was in the

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high desert in the winter and it was like 65 and I was like, this is a beautiful summer

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day. Sleep. And then I was like, I don't want to be here in the summer. Yeah. Yeah, it's

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real hot. Yeah. I remember in Numbers also, Zalephehid's daughters. You remember that

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story? I wondered how to pronounce that. Yeah. So many probably on this thing are like, that's

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not right. You're whooping through it really fast. Yeah. I'm just going to pretend like

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I said it right. Zalephehid. Yeah. Big old Z's. His daughters, like he dies and all the

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males in their family die and so the daughters are left without anything and the people are

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like, wow, I mean, I guess we'll just take their land. Right. Because, you know, and

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God was like, uh-uh. Yeah, that's not happening. Like we were going to make sure and then we're

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also going to make sure that they can never lose their land. And so like we start seeing

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over and over again throughout Tora and you can go listen to last season. Like we point

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him out every time. A lot of times they show up. God is for women. He's always promoting

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that they need to be taken care of. He's talking about their specific rules about taking care

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of widows and orphans and aliens and you know, yes, for Mars. No, uh, for foreign countries,

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but there's a lot of prescriptions because widows don't have anybody to take care of

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them. He says, no, you're going to take care of them. Orphans don't have anybody to take

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care of them. No, you're going to take care of them. Might does not make right. In fact,

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God is going to say that your ability to love your neighbor is going to be your defining

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characteristic. That we actually have some of my favorite characters in the Bible, which

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are the midwives and exes one. Yeah. Like we pointed this out too, where when Pharaoh

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goes to these midwives and was like, Hey, your nation's getting too strong. Kill every

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boy under the age of two. Yeah. They, they don't cause they fear God, which side note,

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why they fear God. They haven't really had an encounter with God for 400 years yet. They

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still fear him. Right. But isn't, isn't there maybe something about witnessing birth on

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a regular basis that connects you with the divine? Yeah. Oh yes. I would think so. It,

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midwife has to be called as a midwife. And I had one of my children at home with a midwife

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and it is a calling and it is, there is a spiritual aspect to it that you cannot deny

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watching life happens, you know, and be created and come to fruition. And yeah, I agree. One,

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they're just like, I mean, cause they're, they're basically flipping the bird to Pharaoh

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because they're like the most powerful guy in the world at the point. And they're like,

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yeah, we're not going to listen to you. We recognize what God is doing and we're not

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going to do that. And there's, and there's an interesting paradigm in this, in this story

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because they straight up lie to Pharaoh and God is okay with it. Yeah. It's my favorite

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as well. These women are so stout. We like, we're running together and babies have already

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popped out and so we can't do anything about it. Yeah. Yeah. Which, which is like, you

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know, look at it as face value. Like that's a complete lie because you could show up a

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little late and still do what Pharaoh asked. Right. But they're like, they're like, oh,

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well we can't do it because we can't do what you asked because man, they're just, they're

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just too quick at pushing them out. Right. Yeah. These Hebrew woman. Yeah. Right. And

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if we just hear the cork pop and we're like trying to get over there, but yeah, those

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kids are, yeah, I am there. And then at the end of Exodus one, it's got, it talks about

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how God blessed these midwives with families. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Right. And honor and

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yeah, most cultures honor midwives because of that sacred spiritual act. You know, and

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it's so it's interesting because talking about the Exodus, it's cause most of Torah revolves

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around them leaving and then them wandering and then they're going in. Right. But when

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they come out of, out of Egypt, God takes them to Sinai and he starts to talk to them

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about the 10 words, the 10 commandments we call them. But he talks about how important

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it is to remember the Sabbath. And we talked about how Sabbath is this day where you recognize

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your identity that you're made in God's image and that you don't, you rest on this day knowing

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God is going to provide the other six days of the week. Now the significance of that

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is if to your point, if you're in slavery, you're only valued for what you can produce.

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Like day in day out, how many bricks can you make? How many babies can you make to make

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more bricks? Right. This is your value when you're under the yoke of oppression of slavery

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is you are valued for what you can produce. And when you can't produce any more, suddenly

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you have no value. And so I think it's really important because next week we're going to

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be talking about women of promise throughout Genesis, but a lot of them are barren. So

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from that mentality, they have no worth. And God says, yes, they do. He strongly disagrees

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and actually brings promise through them. And so it's interesting that the nation is

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taught that you need to rest one day of the week so that you recognize your production

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doesn't come from your ability, but from my blessing and that you are not valued for what

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you can produce, but because you are mine. But then it's interesting because then throughout

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the rest of Torah and Tanakh through the Old Testament and even partial to the New Testament,

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women are still only valued for what they can produce. And so like some of them get

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the message and some of them definitely don't. Yeah. It's hard to let go of old habits though.

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presented to you and I will divorce her because she can't have kids and I'm going to go get

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another wife. Right. And every surrounding culture had a different view on women. Like

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the Egyptians, the Palestinians, the Babylonians, the Syrians, every surrounding culture that

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they came up against over time, they had a different view. And then God's there, he's

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like, I'm putting value on women and other cultures were not. So the fact that there

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were like simple laws written about women's rights in Torah, test to the unfaithful wife,

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like redemption for daughters. Yep. You know, it's like, those are not things that you saw

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culturally. So from the beginning of scripture, you have this value placed on women that is

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unheard of in the surrounding cultures. And so kind of one of the things we're hoping

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to do over the next seven, eight weeks is help you understand that God doesn't stop

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there. He elevates. Just like with his message, his kingdom, his people, it goes from a guy

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to his family, to a nation, to massive Exodus from Egypt, to taking over the land and kings

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and kingdoms all the way into Jesus. Like it grows and there's more and more and more

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things that are happening. And then it's open to the entire world through the Gentiles.

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And God is not bringing less. He's always doing more. He's always doing much more than

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we think he's doing. And so to stop short and to stunt what God is doing in the life

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of anybody is probably a bad idea. It's probably a bad idea for us to do. And so we're not

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trying to change anybody's mind. And we are going to be really overemphasizing women over

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the next seven, eight weeks. Okay. And the reason we're doing that is because they've

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been so de-emphasized that we want to make sure that we understand we're partners built

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together to bring the kingdom of God wherever we go. Preach it, bro. And there's an underlying

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and there's actually an underlying thing that goes on throughout all of this. And it's God

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bringing value to where other people see none. And you can actually break that down just

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down to the basis of human life too. Where there's people who don't see value on their

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life and God is bringing value to them. There's people who see themselves as so broken, so

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hurt, so outcast that they bring nothing to the table. Why do I even live? Why am I even

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here and God's reversing that story. And so you see that story happening and you see that

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happening in the life of women in the Old Testament where surrounding cultures put no

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value and God said, let's reverse that. I want to add one piece of clarification because

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we're using a word a lot and I think that it's gotten co-opted in modern culture. We're

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using the word patriarchal often and what we mean by patriarchal is in their time that

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means the men ran everything. That does not necessarily mean the same thing as it would

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be today where people are like, you need to bring down the patriarchy. That's that we're

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not saying the same type of thing. What we're saying is in their culture, men have the ability

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to trade, do all these things and that is their culture. We don't get to stand in judgment

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of it. What we do look at is what does God do in the midst of it. Jewish culture is not

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American culture so we're not sitting here saying that Jewish culture was wrong. We're

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saying what was God doing in the middle of it. And you can't change history and that's

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the way that culture ran. Yet. Just kidding. So you're looking at the past and you can't

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go, oh, we're going to throw this out because of this because it's history. It is actually

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interesting how often we try to rewrite history rather than learn from it. Well, they say

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history is written by the victors. Yeah. Over the next six, seven weeks, like I said, we're

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going to get into the context of women in the Bible and we're going to really heavily

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emphasize this. I imagine that we'll have more Q&A questions from this series than for

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most of them. Maybe Gifts of the Holy Spirit might get more Q&A questions. We're going

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to try to do this with a gentle leap and just talk about what we believe that the Bible

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is talking about and how do we walk this out in unity together. Yeah. Well, thanks for joining

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us and until next time.

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And that's a wrap for today's episode of Love and Context. We hope you enjoyed this

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engaging conversation and gained valuable insights into the powerful message of love

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out your faith in the context of today's world.

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Let's see here. I got lost. By the way, if this does fall, like I'm leaving that in.

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That's gonna be great.