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Welcome to the Love and Context podcast, engaging in unscripted conversations with your hosts,

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Ben and Spencer.

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Whether you're tuning in from your car, your office, your home, or anywhere in between,

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we are so happy to have you join us today.

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Our mission is simple, to explore the Bible through a powerful lens of love.

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Together we'll uncover fresh insights and gain deeper understandings of how we can love

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God and love the people in our everyday lives.

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So buckle up and join us on this spiritual journey as we discover timeless wisdom that

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is just as relevant today as it was thousands of years ago.

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Without further ado, let's dive right in.

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We're back!

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You thought we were done, but we're not.

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Season 1 is ending off with another Q&A.

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It's Q&A number 2.

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Oh yeah.

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People have been looking forward to this for tens of days.

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Oh man, technically one of the things I...

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The people you mean 2?

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Yeah, 2 or 3 people.

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Like, the people who sent us questions, maybe.

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One of the things I always like to say is I like to say tens of days or tens of numbers,

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and people are like, oh no, it's way more than that.

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I was like, well technically any number you can divide by 10.

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Because I'm that guy.

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Yeah.

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You're welcome.

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Well, I mean, I worked with high schoolers and I had one who was...

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He had to do metric math.

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And he was like, this is so confusing.

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I was like, what do you mean?

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Well, it's just all different.

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I was like, well it's all divisible by 10.

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And then as soon as I said that, he was like, oh.

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And then metric is actually super, super simple.

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But I also have this desire to never do it.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Incidentally, we did not mention, but I'm Ben.

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I'm Spencer.

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And this is the Love and Context Podcast.

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And so periodically every 20, 25 episodes in that area, usually twice a season once

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in a middle and then once at the end, we're going to try to do a Q&A where people ask

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us random questions and we answer them.

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And you know, in the process probably upset some people.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's great.

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Yeah.

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Once again, we're going to make content.

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You're welcome to make all the comments you want.

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And I think one of the things we say a lot that we need to say again is if you disagree

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with us, that's okay.

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We just need to be able to have unity despite our disagreements.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Unity does not mean conformity.

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And I think we often get those two mixed up.

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To be unified means we're moving in the same direction together.

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But that does not mean we're going to agree on everything.

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So a good example of this, Ben is wearing a Christmas sweater.

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Ben loves Christmas.

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Right?

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Christmas is off.

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The only thing I love about Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus.

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Everything else, I'm like, yeah, I could leave it.

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Ben and I have very different opinions on that.

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Yeah, it's very different.

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There's the right one.

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Which is mine.

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And the wrong one, which is Spencer's also.

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He has both the right and wrong opinion.

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So why don't we just jump into our first question here.

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The first question that was submitted to us is how do we apply in our church culture today?

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Deuteronomy 15, 7 through 11.

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So Deuteronomy 15, starting in verse 7 says, if anyone is poor among your fellow Israelites

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in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God has given you, do not be hard hearted

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or tight fisted toward them.

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Rather be open handed and freely lend them whatever they need.

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Be careful not to harbor this wicked thought.

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The seventh year, the year of canceling debts is near so that you do not show ill will toward

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the needy among your fellow Israelites and give them nothing.

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They may then appeal to the Lord against you and you will be found guilty of sin.

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Give generously to them and do so without holding a grudging heart.

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Then because of this, the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything

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you put your hands to.

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There will always be poor people in the land.

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Therefore I command you to be open handed toward your fellow Israelites who are poor

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and needy in your land.

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Okay, so in this section it's specifically talking about how we're supposed to treat

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poor people.

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And so if we're going to talk about how we treat people in our church today, I think

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we actually talked about this section that was when Pastor Sarah was with us.

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The goal of all these laws in this area is for us to be generous people.

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And I think one of the first things we have to learn as a church is how to be a generous

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person.

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Right?

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Like having a generous heart and generous attitude.

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I'm going to speak in a general term.

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So I want to make it very clear that there are plenty of people who are very generous

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in the church today.

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In general, the American church is very selfish.

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Yes.

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It's about what am I getting fed?

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What am I getting out of it?

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Where do I go?

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What is my role?

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There's a lot of me that happens in everything that we do.

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Is my money being used correctly by the church?

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Mm-hmm.

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Well, and let's go a little further on that generosity is not just money.

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It doesn't involve just money.

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It can involve time.

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It can involve giftings that you have.

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I mean, an example, like you don't work on your cars, right?

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You had a feeling that an auto mechanic shop was like not being fully honest with you on

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what you need on your break.

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So you asked me who worked on cars if I could check it out, and I did, and I swapped the

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brakes out and saved me.

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Say $800.

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Because that was something I could do.

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You can be generous with your time as well.

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So like this whole generosity of don't forget the poor doesn't necessarily mean just give

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them money, but also like how can you come alongside them and help them?

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Now, if you are a person who's been blessed with a lot of money, maybe money is the most

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crucial ingredient that people need, and it's the best thing that you can offer.

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But if you're somebody who doesn't have any money, but you care deeply about the poor,

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you can go and volunteer.

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You can do what you can to meet their needs and not forget them.

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The point is that just because somebody doesn't have means, they don't have title, they don't

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have opportunity, doesn't mean they get forgotten.

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In fact, you're specifically instructed not to forget them.

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And tying this back into Torah too, then I think we can get some modern applications,

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but tying this back into Torah, when Israel were slaves in Egypt, they were poor.

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My mom is going to listen to this and she's going to be like, yeah, no duh, because that's

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what my mom does.

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And now she's going to call me later.

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I hope she emails us just because I'd love to see that email.

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She's going to listen to us and be like, yeah, of course you're poor if you're a slave.

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But oftentimes we overlook that because we think of Israel as this nation with wealth

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and things like that.

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And then we're like, oh, well, when they were in Egypt, no, when they were in slaves in

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Egypt, didn't have a nickel to their name, God saw them.

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Well, to be fair, they also didn't use nickels.

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God saw them.

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I'm just going to brush past that.

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God saw them.

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He heard their anguish.

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And he brought them out.

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In fact, God took care of the people who were in slavery and toppled the richest nation in

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the world.

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At the point.

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The other thing that I think is particularly interesting in this particular set of verses

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in verse 11 is there will always be poor in your land.

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Now, if you're really good with your text, you would notice that that's actually something

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Jesus says in the New Testament.

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There's a story about this woman who comes to worship of Jesus, takes an alabaster jar

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of perfume and she breaks it over his feet.

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And many people in the room had issues with the waste of wealth.

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Judas just happened to actually think it.

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I like, we always throw Judas under the bus, but like they just pointed out that Judas

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actually had these thoughts about because he was dipping into the money bag.

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But many people had the thought about the wasteful nature because that could have been

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sold to feed people and it could have been done, you know, for X, Y or Z. It was an extravagant

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gift.

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And Jesus says, you will always have the poor among you, but I will not always be here.

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What she did is a great sacrifice.

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Now I have heard people use that.

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Did they say the service of Jesus is as paramount and that we shouldn't be consumed with extra

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curricular activities of taking care of the poor?

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Like that's important, but it's more important that we preach the gospel.

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And to an extent, I will agree with them.

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Except that quoting from Torah says there will always be poor people in your land.

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Therefore I command you to be open-handed toward your fellow Israelites who are poor

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and needy in your land.

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Therefore the implication is that there will always be poor in your land.

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So if you're like, oh, there's always going to be poor in your land, so you don't need

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to do anything about it.

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No, it's actually the opposite.

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You need to do something about it.

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You will always be generous.

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And more so, more so if you physically cannot do something about that, you need to find

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people who can and assign them the task.

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And in Acts, there was actually this issue of food distribution between the Hellenistic

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and non-Hellenistic Jews.

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And they brought it to the apostles and the apostles, it's a very interesting story.

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They're like, well, we need to not be distracted by this.

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So what did they do?

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They appointed people to take care of the issue.

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To your point.

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Okay.

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Because I want to respect the person's opinion or conversation about preaching the gospel

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first.

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First of all, I'm going to push back on it for a number of reasons.

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You express your love for God by the way you love other people.

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First and foremost.

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So how you love other people is actually going to be how you put the gospel on display.

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How you love other people is going to tell me whether or not you follow Jesus or not.

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So the gospel of Jesus Christ is, repent for the kingdom of heaven is here.

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His death, burial and resurrection give you access to that kingdom.

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So with that being said, now in pursuit of God and honoring God, you should love your

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neighbor and that is going to be your first line of testimony in the way that you act

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towards them.

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So that's the first way that I had pushed back.

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Is that when you're talking about the sharing of the gospel, the proclaiming of the gospel,

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which by the way is not the role of the pastor.

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It's the role of the church.

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It's the role of the church.

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The role of the pastor is to equip the church for a service.

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And if you're actually talking about proclaiming the gospel to people who don't know Jesus,

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you actually know whose role that is?

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The evangelist.

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Paul talks about them in the book of Ephesians.

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He gave you first apostles and then prophets and then evangelist teachers, pastors, right?

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They all have different roles that they're supposed to be doing.

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Now this is actually going to come up later in our conversation about what is a pastor.

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Now in our modern context, a pastor is a person who does all of those things.

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And that's not actually what a pastor's role is supposed to be.

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A pastor's role is supposed to be to care for the people around them, like the idea

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of the deacon.

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So in the book of Acts, when the apostles were bringing heaven to earth, they're coming

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and establishing a new culture.

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They're bringing the things of heaven to earth and instructing people on how they're supposed

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to be living.

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They said, we can't stop being apostles.

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So we need to get some people who are going to take care of this and they're going to

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be the pastors.

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They're going to care for the flock.

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We often look at this like, wow, this is really profound.

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I was like, actually, in one sense, yes.

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In another sense, you have a growing enterprise, the church, and you need more people involved

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to keep that growth going.

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So the actual proclaiming of the gospel to people who are outside of the kingdom is actually

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not done by the pastors.

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It's done by the evangelists.

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And the evangelists are actually equipping the people to go and do this.

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And so to get back to the question, which how do we apply this in our church culture?

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How do we apply this in our church culture?

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Start with love.

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Start with love.

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Start with love.

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Start with loving the people around you.

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All right.

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There's always poor in our community.

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Right.

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So start in those places where you have, where people are outcasts, where they're poor, where

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they're in need, and figure out how you can just come alongside them.

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Can I actually even challenge you even a step before that, before you even go out into your

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community, there are probably marginalized inside the walls of your church.

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Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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And somebody needs to reach out to them.

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Yeah.

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And remember them.

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Yeah.

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The whole idea of this commission, you'll be my witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea, and to

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the very ends of the earth.

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You got to make sure your Jerusalem is taken care of before you step out.

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Yeah.

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So if your home base is church, there's marginalized in your church.

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Make sure they're being addressed.

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What about in your house?

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Are there marginalized in your house?

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Yeah.

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At your work, in your community, in your neighborhood, in your city?

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Yeah.

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I always think it's interesting, like when we talk about, there's political questions

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about, oh, what should the nation do?

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I got news for you.

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You and I, not deciding what the nation is doing.

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No.

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But you know what we can control?

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What our community does.

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Yeah.

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That's definitely a good thing.

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We got to be learned to love people well.

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Yeah.

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In the position of love, we also need to learn to be generous people.

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Yeah.

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Now, generous does not mean being foolhardy with your money.

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Please, please don't misunderstand that.

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It means that your money has no control over you.

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Yeah.

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Do your research on organizations you support.

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Do your research, get to know the people, be good stewards.

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The Bible calls that to it, calls us to do that.

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However, once you give them the money, guess what?

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It's not yours.

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It's not yours.

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And it wasn't yours before.

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Yeah.

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It's, but it's also not your responsibility to dictate what they do with it.

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And if you, and if they start doing stuff, they're like, I don't like, you can always

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pull it back.

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Yeah.

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That's so good.

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There's a, there's a bunch of ways we could have applied that, but just take a few of

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those.

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I think that you guys can probably go do some work and, uh, service to God is service of

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other people.

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How you love other people is how you serve God.

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That whole thing with, there will always be the poor among you.

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Yes, you need to give extravagant gifts to God, but the most extravagant gift you can

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give to any father is to love his kids.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So it brings us to the next question.

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Question two.

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All right.

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The phrase be careful not to forget the Lord is often found in Torah.

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How might we forget the Lord today?

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I honestly think that's, that's really applies to our last question as well.

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When you forget where you come from, when you forget what God has brought you out of.

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Yeah.

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When you walk with superiority.

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Yeah.

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I was having a conversation about meekness the other day and meekness does not mean it's

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not a, it's not a position of lack of strength.

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No, meekness is actually a position of strength that chooses to be, to lower themselves below

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the weaker party.

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Meekness was often equated with horses and especially in Egypt.

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Yeah.

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So the horses for their chariots.

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Yeah.

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That's, they were often, they would equate, we want like strong and neat horses.

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They're powerful horses that are under control.

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Yeah.

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Samson is a good example of not a meek person.

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His power was not under control.

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Yeah.

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Jesus was the most powerful person that ever walked the earth.

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Yeah.

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He was meek.

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He was meek.

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He washed feet.

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So learning to be meek and humble, which does not mean to be less powerful.

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You should absolutely walk into the power that God has given you to accomplish his will.

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Yeah.

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But you need to walk with humbleness and understand that your power is meant to serve and not

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to rule.

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Yeah.

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And I think as soon as we start to forget the story, our walk with the Lord, the story

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that he has put on our lives, where he's brought us from, that's when we start to forget the

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Lord.

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So this is coming on the end of Torah.

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So how many times through Torah has Moses reminded them or God reminded them that they

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need to celebrate festivals?

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Yeah.

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To remember.

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To remember.

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In fact, Deuteronomy, remember, remember, remember, remember.

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Who you are.

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Let's go from Lion King.

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You have to remember where you come from.

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The festivals are meant to help you remember.

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So I do think that there is an obligation in our Christian existence to set up guide

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stones for us to follow that actually remind us of where we come from.

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Yeah.

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We don't celebrate Shavuot.

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A lot of the churches that I go to now celebrate Pentecost, but like they don't celebrate it

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in a way of remembering.

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Right.

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So we celebrate Christmas and a lot of times it's a huge holiday, but are we actually spending

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the time to remember the story?

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Yeah.

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Easter, do we remember the story?

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You know, like we need more festivals that we celebrate like on a regular occasion that

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we celebrate and remember what God has done for us.

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Not just learning to be meek, learning to be humble, remembering where you come from,

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but actually setting up posts in our lives so that we don't forget.

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Because we are frightfully forgetful people.

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We are.

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Frightfully forgetful.

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You are.

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All right, here we go.

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So, like, can a person be good without being spiritual?

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That question was really interesting to me because I had so many follow-ups for it.

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You know, like sometimes people will send you a question.

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I'm like, I have so many follow-ups on what you mean.

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I'm going to define this a little bit just to try to explain how we're going to answer

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it.

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Yeah.

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We're going to be defining good as following after God.

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So in the past when I've been asked questions like this, it's been more so around the question

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of can a good person get into heaven?

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Okay.

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I saw this reel that I thought was really good and I'm just going to kind of steal from

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it.

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I forget who the guy was, but if we remember, we'll put credit later.

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Yeah, if I remember, I'll put credit.

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I just can't remember right now.

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But what he was saying is that you want to go to demand to live in a rich person's house

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just because you've been good and you don't know them.

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You're not going to go.

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I'm not going to go to Elon Musk's house at the end of my life and knock on his door and

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be like, Hey, I'm going to live in your house now because I've been a good person.

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Chances are I'm not going to get into that house.

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If we're talking in that context, yes, you can be good.

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You can do good things.

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But if you're talking about knowing Jesus, being good and not knowing Jesus, then the

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end result is still going to be a life without him.

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A lot of times in faith, we draw a lot of absolutes that aren't necessarily written

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in the Bible.

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So I want to just come up with, explain this idea.

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In the fall, what we've basically said is that God, we wanted to find good and evil

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on our own terms.

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We don't want to define it inside of yours.

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And God says, well, this is my world and this is the way that it's meant to operate.

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So if you do want to do that, you're going to have to go somewhere that I'm not.

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Now we would typically call that place hell.

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And so people say, well, God sending us to hell.

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He's saying, no, I'm telling you that if you don't want to be where I am, you don't want

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to be part of the family, this is where you have to go.

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You can't be in this world and part of God's world without being part of his family.

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They do not coexist.

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It's like, well, I like darkness, but I want to be in the middle of where the flashlight

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beam is.

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It doesn't work.

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Like darkness can't exist where light is.

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You can want it all you want, but unless you're willing to actually step into the light.

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So it's not a thing of like God is, is God doesn't send people anywhere.

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In fact, he offers to adopt everyone.

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So back to your analogy of Elon Musk, right?

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Elon Musk is if he adopts me, I absolutely am entitled to walk into his house.

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Not because of anything I've done, but because of something he has done.

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Elon Musk, I do not want to be adopted by you though.

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Just FYI, like you seem like a nice enough fellow, maybe a little eccentric, but I do

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not want to be adopted by you.

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You're also in your thirties.

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I'm also in my thirties.

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So it'd be kind of weird.

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Like the invitation is, do you want to be part of my family?

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Yeah.

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And we are the ones who say no or yes.

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So I'm actually going to come back to the question that says, can you be good without

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being spiritual?

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No, because actually the goodness comes from the spirit of God coming upon you.

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We're not good in and of ourselves.

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Now I think if you go back to Genesis four, you know, sin is waiting at your door, waiting

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to devour you, but you must conquer it.

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You have the ability to do the right things, but you're not necessarily, your nature is

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not going to be driven towards righteousness.

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That doesn't mean you can't do the right thing occasionally.

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Yeah.

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And I think you have to define the difference between doing good and being good.

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Sure.

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Because you can do good in one context and be a complete jerk in another.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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And the question here for me is it also feels like what's the bare minimum that I have to

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do to be part of God's family?

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Mm-hmm.

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Which if I want to answer to that is say yes to Jesus.

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Yeah.

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The problem is the bare minimum of saying yes to Jesus is he gets to be Lord.

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That's the bare minimum.

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Now people struggle with that.

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We talked about how like all the land doesn't get conquered at once.

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That is for your benefit that it happens slowly over time.

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And when you say yes to Jesus, like there is an invitation, there is no commandment

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for you in your outside of Jesus, which by the way, Christian church, we need to stop

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trying to legislate righteousness.

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But if you want to say yes to Jesus, you want to get rid of your pain, rid of your anger,

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rid of your bitterness, rid of your sin.

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That's great.

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And there is no cost for that.

505
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Yeah.

506
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,880
But there is a giving up of command.

507
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,880
Yeah.

508
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,400
And now you belong to Jesus and he says, you're going to love each other like I've loved you.

509
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,400
Yeah.

510
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,720
You do not have Jesus in your life, but you're like, I'm, I still serve at the homeless shelter

511
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:57,600
or I work in a field or work in a field that works with underprivileged families or whatever.

512
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,600
Right.

513
00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,920
These are, those are good things, right?

514
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,400
Those are good things.

515
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:07,120
But if you're doing them apart from Jesus, what are you doing them for?

516
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:11,520
Chances are deep down there is still a part of you is doing it for that for your self

517
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,120
recognition or you're actually being drawn to these things because you're being drawn

518
00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:17,120
to Jesus.

519
00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,120
Yeah.

520
00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:21,200
And maybe you've just seen a poor reflection or a poor picture put together by the American

521
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,920
church and it's time for you to learn who the authentic Jesus is.

522
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,920
Because my suspicion is if you enjoy helping people in homeless shelters and you enjoy

523
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,360
helping people on the street and you like taking care of the, of the outcasts and the

524
00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:35,320
widow that you're going to love Jesus.

525
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:40,900
And the reality of that is that you're made in his image and part of his image is still

526
00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:42,600
flowing out from you.

527
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,440
It's part of your, your basic identity is connecting to him and is drawing you to him.

528
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,040
So, so you can say, well, I'm doing this because of the goodness of my heart.

529
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,500
I'm like, actually, I think you're probably doing it because of the image of who you're

530
00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:54,240
made in.

531
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,480
And maybe it's time to just come back to the father and be like, Hey, maybe you were right.

532
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,800
And it's time for me to come home.

533
00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,800
Amen.

534
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,800
And guess what he's going to do?

535
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,520
He's going to run out.

536
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,600
He's going to throw the cloak on, give you a ring, butcher the fat and calf, butcher the

537
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,560
fatted calf, and then have an awkward conversation with your brother.

538
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,760
I knew that was coming.

539
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:13,760
Oh man.

540
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,760
I knew that was coming.

541
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,760
All right.

542
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,680
So I think this is a good one because this is almost directly connected.

543
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,200
So what about the contradictions of the Bible?

544
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,400
Okay.

545
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,200
This is a very broad question that doesn't get into anything specific.

546
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,200
Okay.

547
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,480
So I'm going to take a couple of different ones.

548
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,960
I'm going to just talk about the gospels first.

549
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,840
So people often talk about the gospels not agreeing completely on everything that's being

550
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,840
said.

551
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,440
It's said slightly differently.

552
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,440
Okay.

553
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,640
So one of the things I will tell you is in eyewitness accounts, if everybody says the

554
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,720
exact same thing exactly, please look at it as a statement.

555
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,840
That's definitely not true.

556
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,740
Because you shouldn't remember things exactly the same because each person is going to focus

557
00:22:49,740 --> 00:22:52,120
on different aspects of what happened.

558
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:53,240
Yeah.

559
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,320
The second thing is this.

560
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,240
We've talked about this a couple of times is that there are different literature styles

561
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,400
throughout the Bible.

562
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:05,120
In the gospel presentation, each author has a different agenda in what they are trying

563
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:06,680
to help you understand.

564
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,680
Yeah.

565
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,280
Matthew is clearly written with the outsider in mind.

566
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,280
Yeah.

567
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,200
To a Jewish audience with the outsider in mind and helping them understand that those

568
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,840
that are outsider welcome in.

569
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,840
Yeah.

570
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,120
The gospel of John is clearly written to people who are struggling with the identity of what

571
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:24,920
did Jesus say and do.

572
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,920
Yeah.

573
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,360
That, in fact, John doesn't even like shy about it.

574
00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:29,520
He actually writes it in his book.

575
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,880
He's like, I wrote this so you had a confidence in who Jesus is and what he did.

576
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,880
Yeah.

577
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,280
This is why I wrote this, this account.

578
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,720
This is why we wrote it.

579
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,720
Yeah.

580
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,840
I think where some people get into trouble is we use these things and I don't dislike

581
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:42,840
them.

582
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,840
So please don't mishear me.

583
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,400
But we have these harmony of the gospel where we try to harmonize all the stories.

584
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,400
Yeah.

585
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,720
The problem is the authors didn't want them to harmonize.

586
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:49,720
They're not supposed to harmonize.

587
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,080
They're supposed to represent specific stories and instructions for you to live.

588
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,520
So there's a really good book on this.

589
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,000
It's written by Mark Strauss.

590
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,400
It's called Four Portraits, One Jesus.

591
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,400
That's great.

592
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,400
We'll link that in the show notes.

593
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,400
Yeah.

594
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,400
Yeah.

595
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,400
Really good book on it.

596
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:09,280
And I think just a little bit on him, he's actually on or was, he might still be on,

597
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,800
but he was on the translation committee for the NIV.

598
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,360
So if you want to talk about somebody who knows, who's likely qualified to talk about

599
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:21,440
language, likely qualified to talk about language and literary writing style, he's one.

600
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,080
And so that's a really good, really good book to, if you're wanting to learn more on that.

601
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,040
And I always think it's good to stress that just because somebody is a scholar doesn't

602
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,520
mean you're necessarily agree with their conclusions.

603
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,000
I don't get their work.

604
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Yeah.

605
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,000
What does their work actually teach you?

606
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,560
So that's, that's a one contradiction that I hear very frequently.

607
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,000
A lot of contradictions that I have people like they bring up also have to do with literary

608
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,040
styles and not realizing the Bible is not one literary style.

609
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,200
Some of it has to do with translations because every time that you translate from Greek or

610
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,880
Hebrew into English, it's an act of interpretation.

611
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,840
So the only way to actually get to the basis of what's going on is to actually go back

612
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,480
into the Hebrew or Greek.

613
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,760
In fact, we're going to, we're going to talk about one of these later.

614
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,480
And I'm going to mention a study from Tim Mackey back in Genesis three.

615
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,560
So contradictions in the Bible.

616
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,940
I believe that the Bible has always said what it's meant to say.

617
00:25:10,940 --> 00:25:14,720
We can textually pull things, pull things and don't use them correctly.

618
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,720
Yeah.

619
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,200
And then it becomes ingrained in the public psyche of church.

620
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,200
Yeah.

621
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,840
I think, I think the other thing too is you also have to look at the regions of which

622
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,740
these books were written to.

623
00:25:25,740 --> 00:25:31,400
So the one of the other contradictions I hear a lot is the contradictions between the writings

624
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,800
of the epistles.

625
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,080
So Paul's writings versus Peter's writings versus John's writings versus writing to different

626
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,880
audiences in different areas.

627
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,420
And so you have to know the people that are writing and the people that are writing too.

628
00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:46,640
So like an example of this, we've talked about this some, but James was written to the 12

629
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,800
tribes of Israel scattered amongst the nations, right?

630
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:57,640
Galatians was prominently written to a church that had Jews infiltrating it and being like,

631
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,240
hey, this is actually what this is about, trying to change the narrative.

632
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,200
And Paul was like, no, you're missing the whole point.

633
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,040
So you have two different books because if you look at those different books, Paul and

634
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,360
Galatians is very much, it's by faith.

635
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:13,360
It's by faith.

636
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:14,920
It's not by your actions.

637
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,360
And then James is like, here's all the things you have to do.

638
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:21,560
Well, he's writing to two, those are written to two different groups.

639
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:27,000
One is a group that grew up knowing Torah, knowing the word, knowing all the laws.

640
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,520
The other is a group that's like, I know Jesus sounds like a cool dude and I want to follow

641
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,520
him.

642
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,840
You had that contradiction that comes up frequently between specifically that one where people

643
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,080
talk about, well, James says that you're justified by what you do.

644
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,200
I was like, no, he actually doesn't.

645
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,640
He says you're actually justified by what you believe.

646
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,840
It's what you do that demonstrates what you believe.

647
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,840
Yeah.

648
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,360
What you do is what shows that you're actually living out.

649
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,840
And maybe we did it with our church, but maybe we should do a walk through Galatians and

650
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,000
really have a deep, just a three episode where we did it about Galatians.

651
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,800
But in Galatians, what ends up happening is that they are taking these people who accept

652
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,080
Christ on faith are filled with the spirit.

653
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,200
And then the Judaizers are coming and saying, well, you're not going to participate in the

654
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,880
kingdom of God or the kingdom to come unless you become circumcised and observe Torah.

655
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,200
And Paul's like, listen, if that's the case, then what Jesus did for you is worthless because

656
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,880
you've already received him and the spirit.

657
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,400
So then if you have to have something else, that means it wasn't worth it.

658
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,400
Yeah.

659
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,200
It's a very big deal.

660
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,200
Yeah.

661
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,040
And I think today it's actually what happens a lot of times in churches today.

662
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,200
I'm going to tell you this.

663
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,040
We have people who come and they say, well, what you heard is not quite right.

664
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,280
You need this, this correct doctrine to correct your poor behavior or else you can't really

665
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,400
be saved.

666
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,720
That happens in a lot of conservative theological churches where they say, well, you grew up

667
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,800
in a, in a Lucy goosey church.

668
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,160
Now some churches have loose theology.

669
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,120
I will agree with you and correcting that is not a bad thing, but you're like, I got

670
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,440
saved out of X movement.

671
00:27:54,440 --> 00:28:00,520
No, you were already saved by Christ and you just were able to fill in some of the theological

672
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,280
gaps that you had.

673
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,640
We need to be really careful the way we talk about other Christians and other denominations

674
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,880
because if they trust in the faithfulness of Jesus Christ, they are now brothers and

675
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,200
sisters and we cannot address them like they are outside of the faith.

676
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,200
Yep.

677
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,480
Otherwise we end up in a field arguing and that didn't end well for Cain or Abel.

678
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,840
No, good now.

679
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,280
Sure worse for Abel, but a lot worse.

680
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,120
It's not for us for Abel.

681
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,120
All right.

682
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaking of, speaking of contextual things, I'm going to mention this really quick.

683
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,560
It's actually here.

684
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,360
What does the Bible say about women pastors?

685
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,080
Okay.

686
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Contextual things, right?

687
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,080
So contradictions in the Bible.

688
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,640
The last Q and a you're getting, you're in prep.

689
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,640
I see you.

690
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,280
We talked about the passage for first Timothy, right?

691
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,920
Where Paul says, I do not permit a woman to have authority over a man.

692
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,320
Now I want to, want to go ahead and just specify right here.

693
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,200
Like we talked about, you should go back and listen to the argument because we made a long,

694
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,200
much longer argument.

695
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:57,240
But what Paul is addressing is in the worship in Ephesus, women take a prominent role to

696
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,160
the men because they are women.

697
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,440
Women are the ones who are supposed to lead the worship in Ephesus, not men.

698
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,060
And so men are supposed to take a subservient role.

699
00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:11,000
Now what Paul is addressing here is now there are men who've come to faith in Ephesus and

700
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,080
God has appointed to be leaders.

701
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,320
And he's saying, just because you are women, you don't get to usurp the authority of men.

702
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,900
And it's a word that's not used anywhere else in the scripture.

703
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:26,760
And it's meant to literally take advantage of or usurp or, or take over overthrow mutiny

704
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,760
as well.

705
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,760
I would probably use it as right.

706
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,760
Yeah.

707
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,740
And the reason we know what it means is because there's other literature written around the

708
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:33,120
same time that uses that word.

709
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,480
So Paul uses a very specific word to say, I don't will permit a woman to mutiny authority

710
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,480
from a man.

711
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,480
Yeah.

712
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:47,000
So your gender does not entitle you to lead just because of the parts that you have.

713
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Now the flip side nowadays, what we've done is now we've said, okay, women, you are not

714
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,600
allowed to lead simply because of your gender.

715
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,120
You're not allowed to leave.

716
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,120
What have we actually done?

717
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,960
We've taken the thing that Paul was using to address a deficiency in Ephesus and we

718
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,120
flipped it.

719
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,560
And instead of it being applied against women, now it's being applied against men.

720
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,560
Yeah.

721
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:14,680
I mean, because I am a man, I have more authority to speak than a woman because of my gender,

722
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,960
not because of the gift of God.

723
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,480
So and you need to bat like every, every time we have this conversation, I've had this conversation

724
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,520
where they're like, well, it says this in verse Timothy two.

725
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,800
I'm like, okay, you also need to back up a few verses because a few verses before that,

726
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,880
Paul's like men raise your hands.

727
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,880
Yep.

728
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Like step it up.

729
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,880
Yeah.

730
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,880
Be involved.

731
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,880
Quit standing on the sidelines.

732
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,120
That's the only part of that chapter that people actually are up in arms about.

733
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,120
Huh?

734
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,480
I said up in arms intentionally because now we're not going to get super deep in this

735
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,160
because pastor Sarah is going to come back.

736
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,120
We're going to have a three episode where we're talking about women in the Bible and

737
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,120
church.

738
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,480
So I don't want to get super into this, but once again, context actually matters.

739
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,400
Do you understand how, if you don't actually know the history or context that a piece of

740
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,600
literature is speaking into, you may speak and like just say, I'm going to apply it to

741
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,400
modern law or modern context.

742
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,280
And it's wildly misinterpreted.

743
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,280
Yeah.

744
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,680
This is one of the things we've talked about too, where if you're talking about women should

745
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,440
or should not be pastors.

746
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,440
Yeah.

747
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,440
Okay.

748
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,200
I was like, then take the whole of scripture on the side that you stand and apply all of

749
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,200
that.

750
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,440
I have some friends who are more on the apostolic side of things and they take the whole of

751
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,120
it and they apply all of it and they say, hey, women can't be pastors, but they also

752
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,240
need to have head coverings.

753
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,160
They also need to make sure they're not wearing clothes that draw attention to certain parts

754
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,360
of their body, all this stuff.

755
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:39,000
And they apply that and then they'll cut the ends of their beards and then they apply the

756
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000
whole of that.

757
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Right.

758
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,640
And then the men's take the things of don't wear hats, all that stuff.

759
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,960
They apply the whole of that.

760
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Okay.

761
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,920
It's like, okay, I can actually respect that.

762
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,920
Right.

763
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,920
What I actually have a struggle with is when churches are like, hey, women can't be pastors,

764
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,880
but then you go look at their missionary board and it's all women and they're like, oh, it's

765
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,880
okay.

766
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Cause they're a teacher.

767
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,660
I'm like, so you're supporting them to teach in that country.

768
00:32:01,660 --> 00:32:04,560
Is that what you're supporting them to do or are you supporting them to share the gospel?

769
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,960
Well, and we're going to get way too deep on this because I'm already feeling it.

770
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,680
This is a hot button issue for us because listen, I actually don't, if you actually

771
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,480
believe that women shouldn't serve in ministry, like that's okay.

772
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,120
Like I'm not going, I like it.

773
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,720
You're allowed to believe that what you are not allowed to do is then to use that for

774
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,840
a basis to disfellowship with people who disagree with you.

775
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:26,840
Yes.

776
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,000
And so what our conversation on this is helping you understand that there is actually a nuanced

777
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,240
conversation about this.

778
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,560
It is not cut and dry, black and white.

779
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,000
And if you have been holding that strategy, then you need to drop it and love your brothers

780
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,480
because you actually need to learn how to love people.

781
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,480
Well, yeah, it is, it is not okay to just have those mentalities and use it to beat,

782
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,480
beat up other people.

783
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,960
Ben knew as soon as that question hit the sheet of paper that is that's, well, it's,

784
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,960
it's, it's not surprising.

785
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,960
It's one that came up.

786
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,440
I mean, cause we, we had Sarah on it.

787
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,680
We, we really emphasize like her pastoral role.

788
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,760
That's not surprising to me that we got that.

789
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,800
So we'll be doing another series on that.

790
00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,800
You'll probably hear Spencer.

791
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,160
And it is, it is like I said, it is perfectly acceptable to disagree.

792
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,520
It is, and I'm okay with people.

793
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,360
Like they're like, well, I just don't believe that women should be pastors.

794
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,360
Okay.

795
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,560
And I'm like, so, so now what are we not going to be friends?

796
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,360
Are you not going to fellowship with a woman who says that she's a pastor?

797
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,200
These are the issues that I have.

798
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,440
You don't have to recognize authority.

799
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,440
You don't have to go to the church.

800
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,160
I have, so I'm afraid to love them.

801
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,800
Well, I have a friend, I have another friend who's a woman pastor.

802
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,800
We're not talking about Sarah, but she, her son was like, he came, came to faith and was

803
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,960
reading his Bible.

804
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,920
And then he came across these verses and he was like, well, mom, Bible says he can't be

805
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,920
a pastor.

806
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,680
And so then she like laid out, laid out the other side of the argument.

807
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,320
He laid out the other side of the argument and went back and forth a little bit.

808
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,120
And so after about five minutes, she just stopped him and said, Hey, is this a salvation

809
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,120
issue?

810
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,120
And so I'm thought about it.

811
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,000
And he's like, well, no, it's not a salvation issue.

812
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,320
He's like, okay, maybe we should agree.

813
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,320
Disagree.

814
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,320
Yeah.

815
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,320
And that's what they did.

816
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,360
And, and they have a great relationship.

817
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,360
Yeah.

818
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,400
There's all those things where, like, where, where she recognized it, like, Hey, this is

819
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,000
actually not going to go down a healthy road if we just keep bickering about this.

820
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Right.

821
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000
Yeah.

822
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,480
And so, yeah, no, I agree with you.

823
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,360
Maybe at some point we'll, we'll that I would love to invite somebody on who, who loves

824
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,920
people well, even in the, in the women pastoral roles, but disagrees with it.

825
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Yeah.

826
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,920
To have a, have a real conversation.

827
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:20,920
Yeah.

828
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,240
The problem is that I have a lot of times is when I talk to people who are really, you

829
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:25,360
can be immediately opposed to it.

830
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,320
It immediately goes to, well, let me tell you about why you're not following the Bible.

831
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,280
And how bad of a person you are.

832
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,440
I was like, okay, we're, so we're not actually having a conversation as brothers.

833
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,120
You're trying to proselytize me.

834
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Yeah.

835
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,280
But that is, that is not, you know, it's, it's one of those things where we're not accomplishing

836
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,280
anything.

837
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,960
So it's better for me to just shake the dust and move on.

838
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:43,960
Yeah.

839
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,160
You know, so to get to your question that you asked earlier, how are we defining pastor?

840
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,160
Yeah.

841
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:55,520
So we talked about Ephesians, apostles, prophets, teachers, pastors, evangelists.

842
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,160
So what does the pastor actually do?

843
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,840
And, you know, cause in first Corinthians, the women are prophesying.

844
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,320
In other words, they are proclaiming the gospel in the assembly.

845
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,320
Yeah.

846
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,520
They're also leading worship.

847
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,080
Philip had four daughters, all of them prophesies, right?

848
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,840
Prophecy, depending on how you define that in charismatic or non-charismatic world is

849
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,240
proclaiming the word of God to the people.

850
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:21,280
So did Philip had four heretic daughters?

851
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,840
Text doesn't say that.

852
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,140
And then you think about people like Priscilla and Aquila, her name is listed first.

853
00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:28,960
That's significant in the way that it's written.

854
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,680
Once again, understanding literature.

855
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,920
So she was instrumental in the education of Apollo.

856
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,420
Does that mean that every person that Apollo taught afterwards was taught incorrectly because

857
00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:41,320
he was taught by a woman?

858
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,480
What does pastor mean?

859
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,880
One of the questions that I actually see here, what does the Bible say about women pastors?

860
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,120
I said the Bible actually doesn't say a whole lot about women pastors.

861
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,900
It also doesn't say a whole lot about male pastors.

862
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:57,440
The passages that you're thinking of talk about authority.

863
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,040
They're talking about authority and they're also talking about when you're trying to find

864
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,000
qualified people for eldership.

865
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:09,600
And there is some gender assumptions in there, but they're not concrete commands.

866
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,440
These are guidelines for how you find people that are worthy of the call.

867
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,120
The two questions that I've asked a lot when it comes to this topic is one, what are you

868
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,120
defining as pastor?

869
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,240
Sorry, three questions, three questions.

870
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:24,120
One, what do you define as pastor?

871
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,800
How are you defining church?

872
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,800
And what are you defining as preaching?

873
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,480
You really have to know those three.

874
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,860
You really have to have a definition for those three things before you can define whether

875
00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:37,240
someone is eligible or not based on scripture.

876
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,600
So for me, this is the one I always bring up is preaching.

877
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,480
So is pastor and preaching.

878
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,900
Let's pick on preaching for a bit.

879
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:47,520
So what is it to preach the gospel?

880
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,880
And usually the answer I get is well, to proclaim the gospel of Jesus to individuals or a group

881
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:53,880
of people.

882
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,060
I'm like, okay, well, what defines a group?

883
00:36:56,060 --> 00:36:57,440
What defines a group?

884
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,840
Is there a number attached to that?

885
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,200
Okay, so if they're preaching to a group of 50 or larger than their quote unquote preaching,

886
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,160
or if they're proclaiming the gospel to someone on the street, where is that?

887
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,660
In reality, once you push back on that, you begin to see those are the same things.

888
00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:15,200
So if you're saying, well, women shouldn't preach, are you saying they shouldn't talk

889
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,120
about Jesus?

890
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:23,120
So it's like, you really do have to, and I'm not gonna go into what I think your definition

891
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,120
should be.

892
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,020
And we're gonna talk about this a lot in our mini series.

893
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:28,080
So I don't wanna beat a dead horse.

894
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,800
The thing is, you have to parse language, you have to put things in context.

895
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,520
There's a reason our podcast is called Love in Context.

896
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,440
And when people are having that nuanced conversation, I find that they're a lot more amenable to

897
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,800
have real conversations.

898
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,640
The main issue is that we wanna read things to defend, don't read the Bible to defend

899
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,280
your position, read the Bible to understand God's heart.

900
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:54,120
One of the things I'm gonna bring up in our mini series is going to be, you need to see

901
00:37:54,120 --> 00:38:00,080
from Torah and from the gospels, like when Jesus talks, help me understand what their

902
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,480
perspective was on what a pastor should or should not be.

903
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,600
Whether or not gender was a fortune of that.

904
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,960
And when you're reading the scripture to understand God's heart, let your position change when

905
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,960
it needs to.

906
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,840
And it's okay for you to wrestle with that, it's totally fine.

907
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,840
And once again, we're actually okay with people disagreeing with us.

908
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,320
Okay, speaking of this, because I think this is a great question, why is the Bible so anti-women?

909
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,680
It's not, it's not.

910
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,400
If you actually listen to our podcast, you're gonna notice that we repeatedly point out

911
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,000
that it's not.

912
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Let's go from Genesis.

913
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,300
So man and woman together are made in God's image.

914
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:35,760
So I told you I was gonna mention this whole Tim Mack equip thing, right?

915
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,680
So did you know that in chapter three, when we get to the section that people typically

916
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,400
call the curses and we talked about how they're not really curses because God only curses

917
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,840
the land because of the man.

918
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,840
Okay.

919
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,640
And he curses the serpent to crawl.

920
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,640
But the woman and the man actually never get cursed by God.

921
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,360
Remember that from our episode.

922
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,400
So the man says the curse is the ground because of you.

923
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,080
You're going to strive and work and sweat of your brow, you're gonna produce fruit.

924
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,640
And then it says that the woman, your pain and childbirth is going to be increased.

925
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,640
Did you know that it's not actually childbirth is not the word because there's a word that

926
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,360
shows up throughout the Bible that is childbirth and it shows up repeatedly and that's not

927
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,520
the word that's being used there.

928
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,980
In fact, the word that is being used is the word for to get pregnant.

929
00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:29,560
So you need to actually hear this is that so the man in a patriarchal society, just

930
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,600
hear this, so a man would typically be in charge of the field producing fruit and a

931
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,640
woman is going to be responsible for the home and children and producing fruit from her

932
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:38,640
womb.

933
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Yeah.

934
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,680
Now, if both of them are having difficulty producing fruit, in other words, he's having

935
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:49,520
difficulty harvesting and she's having difficulty in getting pregnant, which by the way is where

936
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,240
Israel struggles the most in their service of God because they keep serving Asherah for

937
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,240
fertility.

938
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:59,960
Not when actually in childbirth, but for actually getting pregnant because fertility was a big

939
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:00,960
thing.

940
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,600
So what God says is that here they actually have circumstances that are the same.

941
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,720
The man and the woman are both dealing with difficulty in being fruitful.

942
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:13,280
It's not about the pain and childbirth.

943
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,440
It's actually it's going to be harder for you to get pregnant.

944
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,400
And all throughout Torah, it's interesting that God says whenever you follow me, your

945
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:29,200
glands will produce fruit, your wombs will produce children, and your herds will reproduce.

946
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,480
It's always about the fruit is going to be flowing when you're actually with God.

947
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,200
You should be seeing these imageries.

948
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,740
God says, this is your choices are putting you here.

949
00:40:38,740 --> 00:40:41,480
But if you come and follow me, this is actually what's going to happen.

950
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,840
It all keeps coming back to Genesis three.

951
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,840
Yeah.

952
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:45,840
So good.

953
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,840
Right.

954
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,240
So other treatment of women in the Bible, I want to there's Deborah, there is the test

955
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,280
of the unfaithful wife, which is actually adding equity for women.

956
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,720
There is the divorce rules where you can't just divorce women for nothing.

957
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:01,680
There's the rules that about if you try to claim that they're not a virgin, there's constantly

958
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:07,440
in all these laws that are happening in the in the Old Testament, it's giving Israel instructions

959
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,760
on how to add more equality, more equity, more justice for people that are being abused

960
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,760
to take from numbers.

961
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,120
So if you're talking about the daughters of Zelephah, Hades, but daughters, yeah, they're

962
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,120
not going to get forgotten.

963
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,680
It happens all throughout the Bible.

964
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,520
Now, this is just a section we've been in.

965
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,320
Even you go into Jesus's story, like there's the woman at the well that he that he meets

966
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,320
with grace.

967
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,960
There is Mary Magdalene, who's delivered seven demons.

968
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,920
There are the women who study at Jesus's feet, meaning their disciples.

969
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,440
There are the women who actually pay for Jesus's ministry.

970
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,160
There are women who are being elevated all throughout the Bible.

971
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:45,200
What we run into is it's a patriarchal book because of the of the time it was written.

972
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,200
Yeah.

973
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,320
But you need to read in what actually is happening in that society.

974
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,320
Yeah.

975
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,760
Matthew calls it out to genealogy of Christ genealogy of the people were Tamar, Ruth and

976
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,280
a few other women are mentioned in there.

977
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,080
So the Bible is not anti women.

978
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,720
What we need to women when we're interpreting this, we need to understand that the majority

979
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:11,160
of the cultures that the Bible was written around outside of Jewish context.

980
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:18,200
So for talking like the Canaanite culture, if we're if Venetian, Venetian, all that had

981
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,440
put zero value on women.

982
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,040
So anytime that zero or limited zero or very limited.

983
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Right.

984
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:30,360
So anytime that there was a statute that said, hey, this actually protects a woman's right

985
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,000
for a law or something like that is actually adding value.

986
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,840
It was an incredibly progressive law of its time.

987
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,840
Now, we read the vidicus in a in a vacuum of today and apply it to modern laws and it's

988
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,840
not helpful.

989
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:41,840
Yeah.

990
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,440
But in its time, it was a it was a liberating law meant to bring freedom to people and health.

991
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,440
Yeah.

992
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,440
Life.

993
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,440
Goodness.

994
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,440
Absolutely.

995
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,440
Yeah.

996
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,880
So hopefully that that may or may not have answered your question, but the Bible is not

997
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:53,880
anti women.

998
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,640
So this is a good one about tattoos.

999
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,840
I think it was related to our numbers episode.

1000
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,120
What does the Bible say about tattoos?

1001
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,200
I thought you weren't supposed to get them.

1002
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,360
So we need to add some context.

1003
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,520
So we need to understand that the marking of your body was something that you did to

1004
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,640
pledge allegiance to something.

1005
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,720
So particularly in the worship of the ball.

1006
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:15,720
Yeah.

1007
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:20,920
If you were like to mark your body or to tattoo yourself, quote unquote, what you were doing

1008
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,040
is you were pledging allegiance to ball.

1009
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,040
Yeah.

1010
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,800
God is saying, hey, you're not going to be like them.

1011
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,800
So don't do that.

1012
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,640
And specifically, he's referencing in the way that you worship.

1013
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,280
I don't want you to worship like they worship.

1014
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,280
Yeah.

1015
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,280
Where they're cutting their bodies.

1016
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,560
I remember the story of Elijah on the mountain.

1017
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,440
He said they're going around there like, he's like, well, maybe, maybe balls out, you know,

1018
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,440
taking a dump.

1019
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,760
You should just yell a little bit louder.

1020
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,440
That's kind of what the Hebrew implies.

1021
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,400
And so they go around there actually cutting themselves.

1022
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,240
Well, this is the same thing of marking your skin, which is what's talked about in Leviticus.

1023
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,320
I believe it's Leviticus for numbers.

1024
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,600
And they're talking about that.

1025
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,040
And we have taken it to be when people tattoo themselves.

1026
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,360
No, that's not what's going on.

1027
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,200
If you're, if you're getting tattooed as a form of worship of another deity, you're correct.

1028
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,200
You should not get a tattoo.

1029
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,200
Yeah.

1030
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,200
Correct.

1031
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,080
Or even in a worship of another person, like getting a tattoo where you're like, I'm going

1032
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,320
to put, let's just say that you're dating.

1033
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,240
You're like, I'm going to put my girlfriend's name across my heart because she always has

1034
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,360
my heart.

1035
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,800
It could be, it absolutely could be a, be a step into sin.

1036
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,820
It's not because of the tattoo itself, but the reason that you're getting it.

1037
00:44:27,820 --> 00:44:30,940
So there's a lot of people who have tattoos and they get them because they remind them

1038
00:44:30,940 --> 00:44:35,080
of something or because they think they're pretty or for whatever reason.

1039
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,880
Are we going to claim, okay, my wife, for example, she has across her ankle, she has

1040
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:45,280
type in Greek, the masterpiece reminding her that we are God's masterpiece created in his,

1041
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,740
in his image.

1042
00:44:47,740 --> 00:44:49,440
Do you think that's sin?

1043
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,440
No.

1044
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,840
Where she's like tattooing on her body to remind herself, which by the way, I don't know if

1045
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,280
you remember that it says in Deuteronomy that you're supposed to bind the law to your head,

1046
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,320
write it on your, write it on your arms, like carve it into, carve it into your, you know,

1047
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,440
your identity, put it into your walls.

1048
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,440
Right?

1049
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,440
Yeah.

1050
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,680
I have a friend who he has a cross tattoo across his calf as a reminder.

1051
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,800
Now if you don't like tattoos, don't get them.

1052
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,800
Yeah.

1053
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,000
I, and I do think that if you're going to get a tattoo, you should make sure that you're

1054
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000
getting it for the right reason.

1055
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,480
So I have another friend who you have a lot of friends.

1056
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,480
I don't know if I believe this.

1057
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,480
I do have a lot of friends.

1058
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,480
I know a lot of people.

1059
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,120
His daughter is in college now and she was recently like, Hey dad, would you want to

1060
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,700
get matching tattoos with me?

1061
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:36,520
He was like, yeah, I would love to do that.

1062
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,160
And so they've been working on designs and they're going to make that happen at some

1063
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,160
point.

1064
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,280
But the point being is he's doing this because it's symbolizing the strength of our relationship

1065
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,840
between father and daughter.

1066
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:47,840
Yeah.

1067
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,480
Which I'm like, that's, that's such a beautiful thing.

1068
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,200
And I worked with a lady years ago who was just like, it was like every weekend, she's

1069
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,160
like, I'm going to get a tattoo and I was like, why, you know, it be literally legitimately

1070
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,600
came down to, Oh, you're addicted to getting these things.

1071
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:02,600
Yeah.

1072
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:03,600
And that's a problem.

1073
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:04,600
And then that's a problem.

1074
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,600
Right.

1075
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:11,760
So it's, it's, it's more of a heart issue than it is an act, whether you get down.

1076
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,360
Definitely if you're getting a tattoo to get a shock out of somebody else, then you're

1077
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,640
getting it for the wrong reason.

1078
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:16,640
Yeah.

1079
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,640
So the Bible doesn't necessarily prohibit tattoos in the way that a lot of people would

1080
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,080
like it to.

1081
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,240
It actually really comes down to an attitude of the heart, which is the whole point of

1082
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:25,240
what's being talked about in Torah.

1083
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:26,320
God's going to give you a new heart.

1084
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,200
He's going to circumcise your heart so that you're a different kind of person.

1085
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,200
Yeah.

1086
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,200
All right.

1087
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,880
So we've got time for one more and I think I'm just going to close on this one here.

1088
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,760
This is a great question.

1089
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,760
I read this one.

1090
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,760
I was like, man, this is so good.

1091
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:45,080
Are we as a church, modern church, defaulting to what we think we know or are we following

1092
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,080
God?

1093
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,800
You said we're going to close on a quick one.

1094
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:55,440
Well, I think I would definitely say as a general trend, I would say that it's the former,

1095
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,840
not the latter.

1096
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,120
So next season, we're going to have a few different mini-series.

1097
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,920
One of them, we're going to talk about the spiritual gifts.

1098
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:02,920
Yeah.

1099
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,220
And we're going to talk about the importance of learning to hear the voice of God.

1100
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:10,000
And we've talked about the importance of knowing scripture, having scripture in your heart,

1101
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,040
meditating on it and actually knowing what the voice of God is.

1102
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,520
We had this conversation a couple of weeks ago with Vashisara.

1103
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,960
I said, when we talk to people and they say, well, I read the Bible all the time, I was

1104
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,760
like, do you?

1105
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:29,880
There is a high level of illiteracy in the church when it comes to the Bible.

1106
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,180
People reading, they might even read every day, but they're not reading it in its entirety.

1107
00:47:34,180 --> 00:47:37,120
They're not reading the whole scope of what God has to say.

1108
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,960
And they're definitely not taking time to actually read it in context.

1109
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,760
I would say on this question, I think there's a couple of things that come to mind.

1110
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:53,760
I think one, if you are truly reading scripture for the sake of following after God, that

1111
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,280
your knowledge was going to increase exponentially.

1112
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,280
Absolutely.

1113
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,280
Right?

1114
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,320
I think that's going to be something that's going to be there.

1115
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:07,000
So I think there's also a knowledge piece where I think where we get in trouble is when

1116
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,560
we try to enforce our knowledge upon somebody else.

1117
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,800
Oh yeah.

1118
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:17,320
And so when we become more of the theological police and we're like, well, this is what

1119
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,000
we know to be true and you must follow this.

1120
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,160
And then you try to enforce that on people who don't even believe in Jesus or follow

1121
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,800
Jesus, then you get into trouble.

1122
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,800
It doesn't mean you shouldn't stand for the truth.

1123
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,500
You should stand for the truth.

1124
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:34,800
But if you're standing for the truth, you're doing it in love because the nature of God

1125
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,040
is love.

1126
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,280
And so if you're following after God, I think the knowledge piece is going to come naturally.

1127
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,720
And I think that's going to happen if you're genuinely following after him.

1128
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:51,640
I think oftentimes the one of the mistakes we make is we go jump to the knowledge piece

1129
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,040
and we're like, okay, I need to fall off to God.

1130
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,600
So I'm going to learn as much as I can.

1131
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,360
And I think part of that is we're just in America in particular, we're an intellectual

1132
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,360
society.

1133
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,360
Yeah.

1134
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,640
You go, I think therefore I am, right?

1135
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:06,640
Yeah.

1136
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:12,960
And if you go to other countries where the value is much more on relationship than it

1137
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,480
is knowledge, you will find that their approach to this is very different.

1138
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,240
Well, and we talked about Eastern versus Western perspective, and I think we've referenced

1139
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:24,800
the Baymah episode where he talks about a lot of this before as well.

1140
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,200
But what you believe is actually in an Eastern perspective demonstrated by what you do.

1141
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,800
Yes, what you do.

1142
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,800
So your orthopraxy is much more important than your orthodoxy, or rather I should say

1143
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,720
your orthopraxy demonstrates your orthodoxy.

1144
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:42,120
So you can say you love God and love people all day.

1145
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,480
Your actions are going to show whether or not you do.

1146
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,480
Yeah.

1147
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,040
Which is a troubling conversation that I've had with a number of pastors in my life.

1148
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:55,520
It is a difficult position to be in where you say, oh man, I love Jesus and I love people.

1149
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,680
But yeah, there's no but.

1150
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,680
We got to figure our way through that.

1151
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,480
And what I'm not saying is that you condone sin, that you marginalize sin, that you approve

1152
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,480
of people's sinful lifestyle.

1153
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,560
I'm not talking about any of that stuff.

1154
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,640
But I remember when we had this conversation with Pastor Sarah, I said we talked about

1155
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:14,840
the correction of a person.

1156
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,080
If somebody has an odd against you, you go and talk to them.

1157
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,260
Then you bring somebody.

1158
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:19,600
Then you bring the elders.

1159
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,040
Then you bring them before the church.

1160
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:26,240
And if at that point they don't listen, you treat them as you would a tax collector and

1161
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:27,240
sinner.

1162
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:28,240
Yeah.

1163
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:31,040
Which Jesus came to die for and to dine with.

1164
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,040
Yep.

1165
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,920
That's the attitude.

1166
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,120
And so like when we have enemies, we're called to love them.

1167
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:42,680
It is the most backwards upside down kingdom to everything that the way the world works.

1168
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,100
We love to ostracize our enemies.

1169
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:49,160
And God says, how about you love them instead?

1170
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,880
How about you actually go like this?

1171
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,120
You're talking about wacko battle plans of Jesus, the God, right?

1172
00:50:55,120 --> 00:51:01,760
He says, the way that I'm going to conquer sin and death is I'm going to come down and

1173
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,160
I'm going to put myself up on a cross and let myself be beat, tortured and die.

1174
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,360
And that's my victory.

1175
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,360
Yeah.

1176
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,600
Well, and he's not just going to come down.

1177
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:20,160
I mean, he's going to come down as a baby, born to a virgin, to a poor family.

1178
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,560
Like how he's going to work a good portion of his life as a, as a tecton.

1179
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,560
Yeah.

1180
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,560
Yeah.

1181
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,560
As a craftsman.

1182
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,120
I saw this comedic reel one time where this guy was like, where he was like, yeah, the

1183
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,840
plan to send the Messiah into the world is these angels sitting around table.

1184
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,520
They're like, okay, we're going to, we're going to send this mighty warrior down.

1185
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,680
He's going to enter triumphantly and God's no, we're going to, we're going to send a

1186
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,360
baby and then like, okay, well we're going to, we're going to find a mighty household

1187
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,720
with that strong.

1188
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:47,720
That's got lots of guards.

1189
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:51,860
And he's like, no, we're going to, we're going to do this, do this through this high school

1190
00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:54,120
version over, over here.

1191
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,120
Oh, okay.

1192
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,080
Well, we're going to give him like the best followers.

1193
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,200
The strongest guys, the smartest wise actually going to take a lot of fishermen and rejects.

1194
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,560
And that was like the whole thing was just like, was this thing to show that like God's

1195
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,240
way is far greater than ours.

1196
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:10,240
Yeah.

1197
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:14,800
I want to, I want to close with this idea because I think, I think sometimes we lose

1198
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,800
sight of this.

1199
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:16,800
Yeah.

1200
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,920
I'm going to read something from the sermon on the Mount here because the kingdom is much

1201
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,240
more upside down than you think because he said this in the sermon on the Mount, which

1202
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,520
is his conversation on Torah.

1203
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,800
And I feel like that since we're wrapping up Torah, this is probably the place to do

1204
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,800
it.

1205
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,840
Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

1206
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,080
Blessed are those who mourn for they have be comforted.

1207
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,760
Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth.

1208
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,760
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

1209
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,880
They're going to be filled.

1210
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,980
Blessed are the merciful for they will be shown mercy.

1211
00:52:52,980 --> 00:52:56,040
Blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God.

1212
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,280
Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.

1213
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,400
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness for theirs is the kingdom

1214
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,840
of heaven.

1215
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,160
And then he turns to his disciples and says, and blessed are you when people insult you,

1216
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:18,280
persecute you or falsely say all things of evil against you because of me.

1217
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,280
Yeah.

1218
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,320
Rejoice and be glad great cause great is your reward in heaven for in the same way they

1219
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:28,800
persecuted the prophets who were before you, but you are to be the salt of the earth.

1220
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,800
Yeah.

1221
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,880
And if you lose your salty, how can it out salt?

1222
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,680
How can it be made salty again?

1223
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:34,840
Amen.

1224
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,040
You are the light of the world.

1225
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:42,920
The kingdom is upside down and we win by losing by lowering ourself.

1226
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,560
We become greater by humbling.

1227
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:45,560
Yep.

1228
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:46,840
This is the kingdom of heaven.

1229
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,840
Yep.

1230
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,320
So the answer to the question, do you think, do I think that we, uh, default to what we

1231
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,920
think rather than what God says?

1232
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:54,920
Yes.

1233
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,680
And it's time for us to do the opposite to sit and wait and listen to the voice of God

1234
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,160
to direct our path.

1235
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,160
Amen.

1236
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,400
That is the end of season one.

1237
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,200
We're going to be taking a couple of weeks break and then we'll be back with season two

1238
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,480
of love and context.

1239
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,480
Anybody think we'd get this far?

1240
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,480
Yeah.

1241
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,960
I mean, I, I thought we'd get this far, but I was talking to somebody the other day and

1242
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,400
they're like, you have over 40 episodes.

1243
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,400
I was like, yeah, we do.

1244
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,400
Yeah.

1245
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,400
We'll have more.

1246
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,400
We're going to have more.

1247
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,400
So we'll be back.

1248
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,200
And if you have topics that you want to see us discuss in season two, send us to our email

1249
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,560
love and context at gmail.com.

1250
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:25,560
Yep.

1251
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,040
You can have this on Facebook, Instagram, tick talk, and you can listen to us on all

1252
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,000
your favorite podcast platforms as well as YouTube and just not Google, just not Google,

1253
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,000
not Google.

1254
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,000
All right.

1255
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,400
Thanks guys.

1256
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,500
That's a wrap for today's episode.

1257
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:43,640
We want to extend a heartfelt thank you for tuning in and spending your valuable time

1258
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:44,640
with us.

1259
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:50,320
We hope that you found today's conversation insightful and that you take something meaningful

1260
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,320
from it.

1261
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:56,560
If you have questions or comments, we would love to hear from you reach out to us at love

1262
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:01,720
and context at gmail.com and we will be sure to get back to you.

1263
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:06,680
Remember you can always engage with our content on all your favorite listening platforms,

1264
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,400
including apple and Spotify, Amazon, YouTube, and one.

1265
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,920
Don't forget to follow us on social media at love and context on Instagram and Facebook

1266
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:16,920
for updates.

1267
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,320
He's a best looking dude.

1268
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,320
I know.

1269
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,640
So note, we both did it jinx one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10.

1270
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,640
You owe me a coffee.

1271
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,640
I don't want that coffee.

1272
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,640
I wasn't giving it to you.

1273
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:30,640
Are you ready?

1274
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,640
Yes.

1275
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,640
I'm not ready.

1276
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,640
I'm not ready.

1277
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:42,840
Because a lot of time and a lot of times we work in, I'm just going to give you lots of

1278
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:43,840
editing.

1279
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:44,840
I can't.

1280
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,840
I don't.

1281
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,360
You're being sarcastic, but I'm my brain is not brain.

1282
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,000
So once again, we love having you here.

1283
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,200
That's a weird thing to say.

1284
00:55:52,200 --> 00:56:09,640
So once again.