1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,080 Welcome to the Love and Context podcast, engaging in unscripted conversations with your hosts, 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,320 Ben and Spencer. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,420 Whether you're tuning in from your car, your office, your home, or anywhere in between, 4 00:00:11,420 --> 00:00:15,140 we are so happy to have you join us today. 5 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:21,040 Our mission is simple, to explore the Bible through a powerful lens of love. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,200 Together we'll uncover fresh insights and gain deeper understandings of how we can love 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,560 God and love the people in our everyday lives. 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,840 So buckle up and join us on the spiritual journey as we discover timeless wisdom that 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,680 is just as relevant today as it was thousands of years ago. 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,720 Without further ado, let's dive right in. 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,860 Welcome to the Love and Context podcast. 12 00:00:44,860 --> 00:00:46,600 This is Ben. 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,320 And this is Spencer. 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,720 And we are back. 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,520 Numbers is done and we're into Deuteronomy. 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,720 I was checking your memory. 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,400 I was like, I'm not sure if you know where we're at. 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:58,720 Oh, we're in the Bible? 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,840 Yeah, if you've been with us the last 34 episodes, you know that we've been in Torah and we are 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,640 actually into the last book of Torah. 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,640 That's exciting. 22 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,760 Yeah, that's really exciting. 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,760 Yeah. 24 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,460 Deuteronomy is a wonderful book. 25 00:01:10,460 --> 00:01:13,640 We're going to be talking about that for the next eight or nine episodes. 26 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,280 You've been almost as excited about this one as I was about Leviticus. 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,680 Which by the way, there's been a lot of people who really liked Leviticus. 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,300 Yeah, that was good. 29 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:25,560 So today we're going to be chapters one through four. 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,640 We're going to give a little bit of overview, but I would encourage you pause this podcast, 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,640 go read up. 32 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,320 And then you can come back. 33 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:33,320 We'll be right here. 34 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:34,320 Ugly faces and all. 35 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:38,040 And also in the show notes, we're going to put a link to the Bible Project. 36 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,000 He does an overview episode of Deuteronomy. 37 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,120 I'm actually going to just grab a couple of things from that video and talk about them 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,240 in this episode. 39 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,920 So it's a really good study of Torah. 40 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,880 All right, so just a quick reminder of where we've been. 41 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:56,760 So there's Genesis, origin of the world, origin of God's people, origin of how they get to 42 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:57,760 where they're going to be. 43 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:58,760 Right? 44 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,760 Yeah. 45 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:00,760 Then they end up in slavery and we're in the Book of Exodus. 46 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,880 In the Book of Exodus, we get the, obviously the Exodus out of Egypt. 47 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,200 I wonder if that's why the books name that. 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,200 I wonder. 49 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:10,200 I wonder. 50 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,440 So you get Israel being freed from slavery, from bondage, and then the starting of their 51 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,840 wanderings in the desert. 52 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,840 Correct. 53 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:17,840 Yeah. 54 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,840 They don't. 55 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:19,840 And in their wanderings, they do some things well. 56 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:20,840 Yep. 57 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:21,840 And in their wanderings, not very well. 58 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:22,840 Yep. 59 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,960 And so there's a little bit of back and forth. 60 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:25,960 There's a lot of tension. 61 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,520 And then towards the tail end, you start to get into some of the laws that are getting 62 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,520 written down. 63 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,520 Correct. 64 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:32,520 Yeah. 65 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,600 So they end up at Sinai and that's largely where the Book of Exodus comes to a conclusion. 66 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,040 Book of Leviticus obviously is not written in a specific time. 67 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,280 And then we just got done going through numbers. 68 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,640 To your point, there's some really good highs and there's some really low lows in that book. 69 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:47,640 Yep. 70 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:51,920 And they were following the cloud day by day. 71 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:52,920 They did what the Lord said. 72 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:53,920 They did what the Lord said. 73 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:57,080 Moses and Aaron fell face down before the Lord. 74 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,800 And then there's other stories about striking the rock and about complaining about quail, 75 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,080 and complaining about the food, and complaining about the leadership, and wanting to go back 76 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,120 to Egypt, and wanting to go into the land. 77 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,120 And then oops, never mind, we don't want to go into the land because there's giants there. 78 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,920 There's good and bad in these stories. 79 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:16,360 And I think it's important for us to know that. 80 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:22,160 Yeah, and in Numbers 2, if you're listening and you're like, man, I'm not sure God can 81 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,460 use me because of how messed up I am. 82 00:03:24,460 --> 00:03:25,460 Read the Book of Numbers. 83 00:03:25,460 --> 00:03:26,460 Just go read the Book of Numbers. 84 00:03:26,460 --> 00:03:28,120 You'll see that Israel is messed up. 85 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,280 They messed up a lot too. 86 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,760 And God still worked through them. 87 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,760 I do love that God doesn't editorialize his book. 88 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,080 We get to see real people. 89 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,640 So the Book of Deuteronomy, we were talking about this, it's different. 90 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,920 And we're going to talk about why it's a little bit different. 91 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,960 First we're going to give you an overall structure of the book. 92 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:52,000 So Deuteronomy is largely speeches that Moses is giving to the next generation. 93 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,840 Now remember, in the Book of Numbers, they decided not to go into the land. 94 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,360 So one generation is not going to go in except for Caleb and Joshua. 95 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,920 And so Moses is giving his instructions to the next generation. 96 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,000 It actually comes from a Hebrew word meaning a second law. 97 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,720 Now that doesn't mean it's a different law. 98 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,680 It means it's a second giving of the law. 99 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:10,680 Right? 100 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,560 Because this is a new generation. 101 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,180 And it's a series of speeches from Moses on next generation explaining to them what has 102 00:04:16,180 --> 00:04:21,480 come before and what pitfalls to avoid because there's a lot moving forward. 103 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,120 And there's a change that's happened too at this point. 104 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,000 At this point, and you'll see it's towards the tail end of Deuteronomy as well, but Joshua 105 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,400 is taking over leadership. 106 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,400 Correct. 107 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,160 Moses is passing the baton. 108 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,280 And up until this point, whenever Israel had a complaint against God, they went to Moses 109 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:38,320 and Moses pleaded on Israel's behalf. 110 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,320 Yeah. 111 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:40,560 They're not going to have that anymore. 112 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:41,560 Right. 113 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,600 So they're going to, they're learning something new. 114 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,760 And all this book is going to be told from Moses's perspective. 115 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,360 And we're going to stress why that's important kind of as we go through the episode. 116 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,960 So at the very center of this book is a section of laws and it's a terms of the covenant with 117 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,160 God in Israel. 118 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,320 That's found in chapters 13 through 26. 119 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,680 Outside of this middle section, there's two very large sections where Moses is going to 120 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:03,720 be talking. 121 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,600 Those are in chapters one through 11 and 27 through 34. 122 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:07,960 And these are speeches from Moses. 123 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,520 So when we're taking a look at the text, let's just kind of run through it and you and I will 124 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,200 kind of rapid fire these back and forth. 125 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,680 So in chapters one through three, Moses is retelling the story so far, like where have 126 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,240 they come from and where are they going? 127 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:24,400 And then when you get to chapters four through 11, Moses calls Israel into a covenant of 128 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,400 faithfulness. 129 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,400 Yeah. 130 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,400 Which actually is what's going to be the topic for next week. 131 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,400 Yeah. 132 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:30,400 Yeah. 133 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,640 Then in chapters 12 through 16, they start talking about Israel's worship. 134 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,000 I believe that pastor Sarah Harnay is going to join us on that one. 135 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 She is. 136 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Yeah. 137 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,320 So in chapters 16 through 18, we're going to hear about Israel's leadership. 138 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:50,160 So in 19 through 26, there are a few things to mention here and revolving around civil 139 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,880 laws and living at peace. 140 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:52,880 Yeah. 141 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,160 So there's going to be a lot of those, that central section of laws. 142 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,440 And one of the things that I actually took directly from the Deuteronomy video that I 143 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,000 think is helpful in case you don't watch that, that Tim Mackey has to say about this. 144 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,760 First is this, that the laws are the terms of a Sinai covenant given to ancient Israel 145 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,200 to a culture that is very different from ours. 146 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,000 Like, that's the number one thing we have to do. 147 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,640 And then we talked about that in Leviticus as well, but this is going to take place in 148 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,300 Deuteronomy as well. 149 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:22,140 So the second piece is it's not going to be helpful to compare their laws to the modern 150 00:06:22,140 --> 00:06:24,920 laws of a different culture, namely ours. 151 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,660 Rather, these are given to set Israel apart so that we would need to compare them to their 152 00:06:29,660 --> 00:06:30,840 current neighbors. 153 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,920 So that would be like the Assyrians, the Babylonians. 154 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:39,720 And then we see how these laws liberate and bring grace to a situation that's already 155 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,160 there. 156 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,320 I believe one of the statements he said is pushing laws to a higher level of morality 157 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,240 and justice, which I really liked. 158 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,620 And then lastly here, he says that you need to discern the core principle that underlines 159 00:06:53,620 --> 00:06:54,620 the law. 160 00:06:54,620 --> 00:06:57,320 Now that's a very familiar conversation with what we had in Leviticus. 161 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,540 That's largely what we were doing through Leviticus, is trying to say what was going 162 00:07:00,540 --> 00:07:02,040 on around them. 163 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,040 What's the principle here? 164 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,600 What are they actually speaking into? 165 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,160 Why does this law exist? 166 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,160 Right. 167 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,540 And one of the things that has made our podcast like we've had questions about is like why 168 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:13,480 love in context? 169 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,060 Well because you can't just read the Bible and do what it says because a lot of times 170 00:07:17,060 --> 00:07:20,640 we're assuming a lot of things when we do that. 171 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:21,880 It wasn't written to Americans. 172 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,640 It was written for us, but it wasn't written to us. 173 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,280 Understanding context is key because when you get into different books of the Bible 174 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,880 too, you get into different literary styles. 175 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,400 So I mean Psalms, for example, very different literary style for the most part. 176 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:44,200 And if you were to apply word for word some stuff from Psalms, that would land you in 177 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,200 prison. 178 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,200 Yeah. 179 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,480 And so we're not going to dive into that too much today. 180 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:55,200 Yeah we might have a couple of episodes where we talk about types of literature in the Bible. 181 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,280 But even inside of Torah, Genesis is not the same as Leviticus and Leviticus is not the 182 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,280 same as Deuteronomy. 183 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,280 Nope. 184 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,400 There are different kinds of books that are written in different styles. 185 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,840 And so you need to know that going into them. 186 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,760 I think the tendency maybe where people is they're like, oh but the Bible is inerrant. 187 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,820 And I was like, yeah, that means it doesn't contradict itself, but it will absolutely 188 00:08:12,820 --> 00:08:14,640 contradict your interpretation. 189 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,640 Right? 190 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:16,640 Yeah. 191 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:17,640 Yeah it will. 192 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,480 And if you want a simple way to think of it, at least this is what's helped me, is just 193 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,920 think of the different literary styles in different books today. 194 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,060 You can read fiction. 195 00:08:27,060 --> 00:08:29,000 You can read science. 196 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,440 You can read poems. 197 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,440 Right? 198 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,560 And in the Bible we have all these different books that are written in different styles. 199 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:37,840 But yeah, we'll talk more about that later. 200 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:43,840 So continuing in Deuteronomy, chapters 27 through 30, they deal with the warnings and 201 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,640 the ultimatums regarding around obedience to God. 202 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,640 Right? 203 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,120 What's going to happen if you obey and more specifically what's going to happen if you 204 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,760 disobey because they have a lot more experience with that. 205 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:54,760 Yeah. 206 00:08:54,760 --> 00:09:00,040 And then Deuteronomy ends with Moses's last words in his death. 207 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,040 Right. 208 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,040 Which he probably didn't write. 209 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,760 I mean, I feel like that's probably a safe assumption that he probably didn't write that 210 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:06,760 part. 211 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:07,760 Yeah. 212 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:08,760 Yeah. 213 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,880 So that is the overall structure of Deuteronomy. 214 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,400 And we wanted to bring that up right at the beginning because we're going to be talking 215 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,160 a lot and we want to remind ourselves what section of these conversations we're in. 216 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,200 Right? 217 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,560 Because there is an overall structure to this book, but it really centers on this covenant 218 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:27,280 and this covenant faithfulness between Israel and God. 219 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:32,120 Now once again, with it centering on that, you might be looking at some chiastic material, 220 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,280 which we're not going to get into on the podcast, but there are some really great people who 221 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,080 like just dive into that. 222 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,080 Yeah. 223 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:44,160 So now if you haven't paused the podcast, now it's time to do so chapters one through 224 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,160 four. 225 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,160 Yep. 226 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,260 Read those and then we're going to start talking through this. 227 00:09:49,260 --> 00:09:54,760 So one thing to note in chapters one through three in particular is that Moses retells 228 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,000 a few stories. 229 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,120 Okay. 230 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,720 Now if you go find where those stories are in Numbers and Exodus, you might look at them 231 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:06,080 and be like, Hey, Numbers and Exodus tells these stories different than Moses is telling 232 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,600 these stories in Deuteronomy. 233 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:08,600 Right. 234 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:09,600 Yeah. 235 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,560 You mentioned it earlier, but Moses is retelling of these stories can differ and does differ 236 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:16,360 from Exodus and Numbers. 237 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,880 Yeah, and I think, I think the word differ is probably the right way to say it because 238 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,920 I think people say it would say they contradict each other. 239 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,000 And I was like, well, it depends on how you, how you interpret it. 240 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Right? 241 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,320 Like Moses is telling it from his perspective and what he saw. 242 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,560 So this wasn't two sayings in the Bible where God said, where God said, thus saith the Lord. 243 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:35,560 Right? 244 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:38,600 This is Moses's interpretation of what actually happened in that moment. 245 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Yeah. 246 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,000 So a number of episodes ago, I told a story about food and my mom putting more food on 247 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000 a plate. 248 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Yep. 249 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,280 And I was like, that did not happen. 250 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Yep. 251 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,280 And I was like, that totally did happen. 252 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,160 And then when we actually got down and figured out what story it was, it was like, Oh, we 253 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,640 had two different rememberings of the story. 254 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:56,640 I'll see. 255 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,800 That's even more than you, you brought up on your, when your dad was here. 256 00:10:58,800 --> 00:10:59,800 Yeah. 257 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,080 So Tara and I, when we first got married, uh, there was a lady by the name of Brenda 258 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,360 who loaned us a car because, uh, we were in the process of getting like a second car so 259 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,400 that we could both go to work at different times and like a bunch of different things. 260 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:15,960 Cause we lived on the opposite side of town from where we worked, which is difficult. 261 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,360 When you have to ride a bike to and from work every day. 262 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,360 Yeah. 263 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,000 Um, I was actually in better shape then, so it wasn't as hard, but you know, it was still 264 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,320 difficult. 265 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:31,040 And uh, Tara told me about that and I'm like, I'm like, I believe you that we borrowed the 266 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,520 car. 267 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,640 I cannot for the life of me remember borrowing that car. 268 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:37,640 Right? 269 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,240 Like I have like these vague memories, but they merge with like this car that we already 270 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,240 had. 271 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,240 Yeah. 272 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,240 Right. 273 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,000 And we had it for like three months and I was like, I believe you, I believe you that 274 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000 we did. 275 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,160 Like there is, there is enough circumstantial evidence around this that I have belief in 276 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,160 you. 277 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,160 Plus I just don't feel like she would make that up. 278 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,040 Ben's now going to go get his brain checked, make sure his memory is not slipping. 279 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,040 Yeah. 280 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,480 Well, I mean, it's been slipping for like 10 years because I still like, I, the thing 281 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:09,360 is I know that I like intellectually, I know that we did, but I just like, it just, I don't 282 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:10,880 know why it just mixed in with everything else. 283 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,320 I probably just a lot of things going on. 284 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:13,840 It was our first year of marriage. 285 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,080 You know? 286 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,240 And I was working full time and like I was doing night shift and night shift was terrible 287 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,240 for me. 288 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,280 And then I switched careers, you know? 289 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,120 So like, there's a lot of like different things going on there. 290 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,120 Yeah. 291 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,880 So, so my, one of my favorite first examples on this is actually taking a look at Deuteronomy 292 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,400 1, 9, where this is kind of like just a different perspective of what's going on. 293 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,400 So I'll read this to you here. 294 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,880 So this is, they're coming into the land and they left Horeb. 295 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,200 They're out there and says, at this time I said to you, you are too heavy a burden for 296 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,560 me to carry alone. 297 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:50,240 The Lord your God has increased your numbers so that today you are as numerous as the stars 298 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,240 in the sky. 299 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,920 May the Lord, the God of your ancestors increase you a thousand times and bless you as he's 300 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:55,920 promised. 301 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,800 But how can I bear your problems and burdens and your disputes all by myself? 302 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,200 Choose some wise understanding respected men from each of your tribes and I will set them 303 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,200 over you. 304 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,200 And you answered me. 305 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,920 What you propose is good. 306 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:07,920 Okay. 307 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,720 That story is familiar. 308 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:15,360 It does, except for Jethro was the one who said, Hey, Moses, you can't bear these burdens. 309 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,360 Yeah. 310 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,080 In fact, we actually had Pastor Clint on that episode. 311 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,600 We were talking about like the burden of leadership. 312 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,260 And so it's interesting that Moses comes back and he's like, well, I realized that it was 313 00:13:25,260 --> 00:13:26,800 too much. 314 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,000 And that's where we said like, technically like Moses probably in that conversation at 315 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,960 some point did say that. 316 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,140 When he came and brought it to the people, he just left off the part about Jethro. 317 00:13:35,140 --> 00:13:36,640 Why did he leave off the part about Jethro? 318 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,680 It could be that he just didn't think it was important for the next generation to hear 319 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:42,960 about like Jethro was probably dead at that point. 320 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:43,960 Yeah. 321 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,280 You know, it's a different telling of this story. 322 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,280 It doesn't mean that it's wrong. 323 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,520 It means it's from a certain perspective. 324 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,800 And Moses could have said those things. 325 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:53,800 Exactly. 326 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,440 He could have been like, this is too much for me to bear after Jethro came to him. 327 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,440 Yeah. 328 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,440 We just don't have that written down. 329 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:00,440 Yeah. 330 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,680 Well, and there's, there's actually a very interesting concept and I might, I might get 331 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:07,320 into it in this first couple of episodes that of something that Rabbi David Foreman talked 332 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:12,080 about about why Moses believes he's not going into the promised land. 333 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,880 And it actually has to do with this thing where he says you have become too heavy and 334 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:16,880 I couldn't carry you. 335 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:17,880 Yeah. 336 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,000 So put a pin in that idea and then maybe we'll come back to it later. 337 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,280 So the other place that I think is really interesting is he says we're going to take 338 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,940 these people and then they talk about sending the spies out, which by the way, coming up 339 00:14:29,940 --> 00:14:34,080 in a lot in this early part of Deuteronomy, I noticed this reading through and preparing. 340 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,120 There's a lot of it sounded good to me. 341 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,560 This sounds good to me. 342 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:45,360 It seemed good to me, which also drives me back to the book, Go Genesis, you know, this 343 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,240 one that it's, it was good, it was good, it was good. 344 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,560 But also this idea of eating from the tree of the fruit of the fruit of the tree of the 345 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,500 good and evil. 346 00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:57,000 It seemed like a good idea. 347 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Yeah. 348 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Right. 349 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:06,560 And I said, well, for him, but in Deuteronomy 1 39, they go and they're going up to the 350 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,200 spies go in and they say, yeah, the, the idea seemed good to me. 351 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,600 I selected 12 of you, I sent them in. 352 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,400 They came back and they said, it's a good land that the Lord is giving us, but you were 353 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:15,640 unwilling to go up. 354 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,920 You rebelled against the command of the Lord your God. 355 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,440 So they, they're, they come back and they like, yeah, the land is great, but we're not 356 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:22,880 going to go and take it. 357 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,980 And I said to them in 29 says, do not be terrified. 358 00:15:25,980 --> 00:15:26,980 Do not be afraid of them. 359 00:15:26,980 --> 00:15:30,520 The Lord your God who is going before you will fight for you as he did for you in Egypt 360 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,080 before your very eyes and in the wilderness. 361 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:40,840 Then you saw the Lord, your God carried you by the way, highlight that word as a father 362 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,160 carries his son all the way you went until he reached this place. 363 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,100 In spite of this, you did not trust the Lord your God who went ahead of you on your journey 364 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:52,520 in, in fire by night and in cloud by day to search out places for you to camp and to show 365 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,560 you the way you should go. 366 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,520 So then God tells them that the people aren't going to be allowed in. 367 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,120 And then take a look at verse 37. 368 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,840 This is where I want to talk about Moses seeing things differently because of you, the Lord 369 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:09,680 became angry with me and said, you shall not enter it either, but your assistant Joshua, 370 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,880 son of none will enter it, encourage him because he will lead Israel to inherit it. 371 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,960 Now couple issues here. 372 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,860 That's actually not the place where God has that conversation with Moses, nor is that 373 00:16:20,860 --> 00:16:23,320 actually what God says to him. 374 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,640 Like this is once again, Moses is recollection. 375 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,040 And one of the things that I think the Foreman points out that is really helpful is that 376 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,800 Moses sees the division of leadership in some capacity where he says, I'm not capable of 377 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,680 leading you eventually being the piece that actually leads him to not being able to lead 378 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,680 the people and them not trusting God. 379 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,800 Now that is like super interesting thing. 380 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,800 We're not going to get super deep into it, but I I've watched Foreman's videos on it 381 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,040 and it actually is pretty compelling. 382 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,360 But regardless, that's not actually what God says. 383 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:53,760 No, right. 384 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,880 That is not what God says. 385 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,080 And this isn't even the place in the story where God says that he doesn't say it after 386 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,400 they don't go into the land or after they go up and try to fight the people after God 387 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,240 says that you're not going to go. 388 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,280 Right. 389 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,200 It actually happens in an episode we actually talked about with water from a rock, right? 390 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:16,880 That's actually when God says, because you didn't recognize me as holy, you're not going 391 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,680 to lead these people into the land. 392 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,160 God was going to lead the people. 393 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,720 So that conversation does happen. 394 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,400 And I think in some capacity, we talked about this and Moses hears you're not going to lead 395 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,600 the people as you're not going to go in. 396 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:38,440 And from that point on, I postulated, does he learn his lesson about being OK with what 397 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,840 God is doing and supporting the next generation? 398 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,440 Yeah, because God's thinking generationally. 399 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:50,600 So then they they're told to leave Moab, who are the descendants of lot alone. 400 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:56,680 And then they also are told to leave the descendants of Esau, who is Jacob's, Jacob's brother. 401 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:57,680 Yeah. 402 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,000 They said you need to leave them alone, too. 403 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,640 And what I love about this is it's just it's just confirmation of God keeping his promises, 404 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:09,360 because nothing about like Esau's, the Edomites or the Moabites were particularly good people. 405 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:12,120 But it was the promise of God. 406 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:13,640 And that's really profound. 407 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:14,640 Yeah. 408 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,360 So and then Israel, they go and they engage in some of their first battles. 409 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:20,360 Yep. 410 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:24,960 So they're meeting Shehan, the king of Heshbon. 411 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,240 I love it when you say Hebrew names. 412 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,880 And this is this is why you want me to say this. 413 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,360 The king of Bashan. 414 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:34,360 Yeah. 415 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,000 Ben's like, you butchered that horribly. 416 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000 And I'm like, I know. 417 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 And I don't care. 418 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,200 Well, some to note there is Israel actually isn't a particularly strong army. 419 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,200 Right. 420 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,200 They are slaves. 421 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,200 Right. 422 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,200 They're newly freed. 423 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,200 Right. 424 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,200 Right. 425 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,920 They do not have military might prowess or anything like that. 426 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,640 What they do have is the Lord. 427 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:53,640 Yeah. 428 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,280 And the Lord is going before them. 429 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,480 When they're relying on the Lord, they're winning battles. 430 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:59,480 Yeah. 431 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,520 And when they are not, guess what? 432 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:02,520 They don't win. 433 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,560 Well, we have we have evidence of that all throughout their story so far. 434 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,640 You have the Exodus itself where God says walk through on the dry land and then he takes 435 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,040 care of the entire Egyptian army. 436 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,040 Yeah. 437 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,040 Then you have the Amalekites in the desert. 438 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,800 And he says, you need to keep Moses's arms up. 439 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,920 It has nothing to do with your physical ability. 440 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,000 It's whether or not Moses's arms are up banner of heaven above you. 441 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Right. 442 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,000 We talked about that. 443 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,840 And, you know, Baelic was concerned about them because they mowed over the Amorites. 444 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,920 The Amorites were technologically advanced and they were kicking everybody's butt. 445 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,760 And then they just mowed right over them, not because they're great once again, but 446 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,240 because somebody else was great through them. 447 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,760 Well, they were actually told to leave Egypt in a hurry. 448 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:40,760 Yeah. 449 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,000 So a lot of times when we read of these battles, we've we pictured two armies like full battle 450 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,000 gear. 451 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Right. 452 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,000 So they were two who weren't full battle gear. 453 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,000 Yeah. 454 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,440 It would actually be really strange if they had a bunch of weapons. 455 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:53,440 Yeah. 456 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,440 You know? 457 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,040 So they were probably looked more like farmers, peasants, people like that with rudimentary 458 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,840 kind of low tech weaponry. 459 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:01,840 Yeah. 460 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,200 I mean, I think it's reasonable to think that in the year that they were at Sinai, they 461 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,200 probably made some weapons. 462 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,200 Yeah. 463 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,200 And they've been wandering out for 40 years. 464 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,200 So let's not pretend like they. 465 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,560 They accumulated some stuff, but it's not like a standardized. 466 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,600 But it's also this is the next generation that is actually going and these are their 467 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,600 fights. 468 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,560 You know, these are the first fights that they've had because the previous ones have 469 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,120 been the other generation. 470 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:23,120 Yeah. 471 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,320 And so I find it particularly interesting here, too. 472 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,360 Like I want to pause here because you and I talked about this and I told you I was definitely 473 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:31,640 going to bring it up in the podcast because part of the reason that sometimes people tune 474 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,520 into us is because they want to hear what we have to say, too. 475 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:35,520 Right. 476 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,120 I think verse 21 through the end of the chapter is very strange and I'm going to read it to 477 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:41,120 you. 478 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:42,120 Chapter three. 479 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:43,120 Yeah. 480 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,680 So they've just gone through and they just completely laid waste to those two kings. 481 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:47,680 Right. 482 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:48,880 And then it picks up in verse 21. 483 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,280 It says this at that time I commanded Joshua. 484 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,520 You have seen with your eyes all that the Lord your God has done to these two kings. 485 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,920 The Lord will do the same to all the kingdoms over there where you are going. 486 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,120 Do not be afraid of them. 487 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,800 The Lord your God himself will fight for you. 488 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,040 Very good. 489 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:12,960 At that time I pleaded with the Lord, sovereign Lord, you have begun to show your servant, 490 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,800 your greatness and your strong hand for what God is there in heaven or on earth who can 491 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,820 do the deeds and mighty works you do. 492 00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:27,200 Let me go over and see the good land beyond the Jordan, that fine hill country and Lebanon. 493 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,420 But because of you, the Lord was angry with me and would not listen to me. 494 00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:32,420 That is enough. 495 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:35,040 The Lord said, do not speak to me anymore about this matter. 496 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:40,000 Go up to the top of Pisgah and look west and north and south and east. 497 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,040 Look at the land with your own eyes since you are not going to cross this Jordan. 498 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:50,320 But commission Joshua and encourage and strengthen him for he will lead this people across and 499 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,940 will cause them to inherit the land that you will see. 500 00:21:53,940 --> 00:21:56,600 So we stayed in the valley near Beth Pior. 501 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,080 Okay. 502 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,480 It's a weird statement, right? 503 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:06,100 Once again here he says that because the Lord was angry with me because of you. 504 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:11,680 So in Moses's mind, one way or the other, he links the fact that he's not going into 505 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,640 the promised land to the people's disobedience. 506 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:21,520 I've read numbers and I've read that story and I've read a lot of commentary on it. 507 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,440 It seems to me that in this story, Moses has nobody to blame except himself. 508 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,720 I mean, what do you think? 509 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,160 I think the primary blame is on Moses. 510 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:37,080 I also don't think the Israelites get a pass on it because they were disobedient. 511 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,360 The first generation was disobedient. 512 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:44,480 They did rebel against God in a number of ways ranging from golden calf to complaining 513 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,760 about God's provision, so on and so forth. 514 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:56,040 But in the story of numbers, it was 100% Moses who disobeyed and God said, your punishment 515 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,400 is this. 516 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,320 So do you think, and obviously this is where we play what if, so people please don't take 517 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,280 this as scripture, right? 518 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,720 We're making a statement here. 519 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,360 Do you think then what we're dealing with here is Moses maybe missing what God has been 520 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:16,800 trying to correct him on the whole time, which is that he still doesn't trust God? 521 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,960 Yeah, to a degree. 522 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,880 Because once again, he's here, he's like, God, I've begun to see, we've begun to see 523 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,880 what you can do. 524 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,040 Well, hold on a second, Moses. 525 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,800 So I would push back a little bit. 526 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,400 I would say part of it is because Moses doesn't trust God easily. 527 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,400 That's fair. 528 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,120 Because he does come around to trusting God, but it's usually kicking and screaming. 529 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:44,360 And that kicking and screaming goes all the way back to Exodus when God was like, hey, 530 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:45,480 Bernie Bush, you're going to do this. 531 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,160 And Moses gives four excuses. 532 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,880 And the fifth one is like, anybody else, just send someone else. 533 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,680 And God was like, no. 534 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,320 Yeah, well, and then Moses says, OK, well, I've begun to see it. 535 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,080 OK, well, first of all, you got your commission from a burning bush. 536 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,920 You went in and saw 10 massive plagues. 537 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,840 You saw the powerhouse of the entire region taken down by a bunch of water that you walk 538 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,380 through on dry land. 539 00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:11,320 You got fed bread from the heavens and random quail that show up. 540 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,720 You're like, I don't know if you can make enough meat, God. 541 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,600 You saw the spirit and separated over onto 72 people. 542 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,880 Yeah. 543 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,400 Not to mention at night, there was a pillar of fire. 544 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,400 Yeah. 545 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,160 And then during the day, there was a pillar of cloud. 546 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,760 Even to like a couple of weeks ago, there is a bronze serpent that if you look at your 547 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,400 snake bite, won't kill you. 548 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,400 Right. 549 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,560 Like so it's not like Moses hasn't seen things. 550 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,240 So he says, well, we've begun to see why, because you've seen two of the enemy kings 551 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,480 wiped off the map. 552 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,200 Like that's that's your definition of God doing something like I don't know if like 553 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,640 he's just trying to butter God up or like what's going on here. 554 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,880 But like once again, in numbers, God doesn't say you can't go in. 555 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,640 He says you can't lead. 556 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,600 And he says that he's talking to Joshua. 557 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,000 He says, you know, don't be afraid. 558 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,120 The Lord is going to fight these battles for you. 559 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:03,920 And then immediately to God, he's like, can I go in, please? 560 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,920 I want to go in now. 561 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,920 Like, can I go in? 562 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:06,920 I want to go in. 563 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,480 And he's like, all right, do not bring this up again. 564 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,880 Joshua is going to lead them in. 565 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,880 Give him control. 566 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,040 And so once again, I'm wondering if there's this thing of like Moses maybe just isn't 567 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,520 ready to give up control. 568 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,800 I don't know. 569 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,880 That's something for you guys to think about, too. 570 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,960 We're not afraid of wrestling with the text. 571 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:26,960 Yeah. 572 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:27,960 Yeah. 573 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,920 Like one thing to add on to that is Joshua. 574 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,920 He was the one who was when they saw the armies over there. 575 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,920 He said, let's go. 576 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,920 Yeah. 577 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,920 Him and Caleb. 578 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:38,920 They're like, we got this. 579 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Let's go. 580 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:40,920 Everyone else was like, they're too big. 581 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:41,920 Yeah. 582 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,920 They're too strong. 583 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,920 They're too mighty. 584 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,920 There's no way we can take them out. 585 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:45,920 Right. 586 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,560 Even though they've seen the works of the Lord. 587 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,560 Yeah. 588 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,360 Joshua was the one who's like, we got this. 589 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,640 Him and Caleb. 590 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,440 And if we ever just do literary characters, I'd love to track Caleb because Caleb does 591 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,440 so much stuff. 592 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,440 Like even into the book of Joshua, you're like, he's this old man. 593 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,560 He's like, I'll go take the hill country. 594 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,560 Yeah. 595 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,560 Right. 596 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:11,880 And so for the point being is that when we have that attitude of, okay, we got this. 597 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,880 Let's go. 598 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,880 God's with us. 599 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,880 Yeah. 600 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,880 Right. 601 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,320 Then God's going to be like, okay, I'm going to build you up. 602 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,640 And we have the attitude of Moses where we're like, are you sure God? 603 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,640 Are you positive? 604 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,760 And then like kicking and screaming. 605 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,960 I was thinking about something Marty has talked about on his podcast before Marty Solomon Baymaw 606 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,520 podcast, give him a plug again, where he says it's one thing when God gives you an instruction 607 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,480 and like you're verifying that it's God before you go forward. 608 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,960 But it's another one where you where God gives an instruction, you know, it's God. 609 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,800 And you're like, well, prove that you can actually do this. 610 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:46,800 Right. 611 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,040 Like one of them is I'm not going to go forward unless I know you're sending me. 612 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,640 And one of them is I'm not sure that you can handle this. 613 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,600 Well, in Israel's cases, they knew who it was. 614 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Yeah. 615 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,760 Like it was clear as day. 616 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,480 Well, and so Joshua is the kind of leader he says, oh, God says go do this. 617 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,480 Like I guess we'll go do it because remember, this is also the guy who ends up leading them 618 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:12,760 to take Jericho with like the like worst battle plan ever. 619 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,800 In case anybody doesn't know, we're going to tell you the battle plan of Jericho. 620 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,800 Okay. 621 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,720 So they're going to go to the city with like massive walls. 622 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,680 So the battle plan that God has for them to go and take down Jericho is you're going to 623 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,360 march around the city once a day with everybody, with your worship team out front. 624 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:27,360 Right. 625 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,280 So you musicians on the front line. 626 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,280 Once a day for six days. 627 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,160 And on the seventh day, you're going to do it seven times. 628 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,240 And at the end of it, you're just going to blow your trumpets and yell at the walls and 629 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,200 you're going to win. 630 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,840 This is this is their battle strategy. 631 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,160 And now, of course, the the story is that the walls fall and that they go in and they 632 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,160 take Jericho. 633 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,160 Right. 634 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,240 But but Joshua doesn't question that. 635 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,240 He's just like, OK. 636 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,440 And do you know who does fear these things? 637 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,320 The enemies that see Israel coming. 638 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,440 Yeah, because they're hearing these stories. 639 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,440 Now I understand Jericho hasn't happened yet. 640 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,440 Yeah. 641 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,720 But they're hearing stories about a man on the hill who when his arms were raised, they 642 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:04,720 were losing the battle. 643 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,760 And when his arms fell down, they started winning. 644 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,000 They heard the stories about those guys who just rolled over the the Emirates. 645 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,520 Like they're hearing these stories and they're like, OK, there's something about these guys. 646 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:20,440 So so much so we can go back to Bailik and Bailam where Bailik's like, hey, Bailam, go 647 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,440 curse them. 648 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,440 Yeah. 649 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,880 Unless they're cursed, there's no way I can stand against them. 650 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:24,880 Right. 651 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,880 Right. 652 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,920 And so they're hearing these stories and they're recognizing God's power. 653 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,920 And Moses is still here. 654 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,240 Like, well, I've begun to see your power. 655 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,240 Yeah. 656 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,760 And so that's that's mostly why I have questions. 657 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,200 So if people are wondering, like, why I have questions, I was like, like, you need to put 658 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,200 this in context. 659 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,200 Say some things out loud. 660 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,200 Yeah. 661 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,200 Right. 662 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,320 Like, why Moses didn't trust God, that that is a far stretch from what I'm saying. 663 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,720 What I'm saying is Moses is a human like us. 664 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,000 There's a reason why there was a second Moses in Jesus Christ. 665 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000 That's why I was saying that. 666 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,000 Yeah. 667 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,720 I would argue that Moses didn't trust easily. 668 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:56,720 Yeah. 669 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,440 And one of the things I think I want to stress really early on in Deuteronomy is I think the 670 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,680 tendency because I'm going to I'm going to push back on some of these these positions 671 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,760 of Moses. 672 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,600 The temptation is going to see me as standing and not believing that Moses was a great man 673 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,200 or that God did a ton of stuff to him. 674 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,440 That is going to be further from the truth. 675 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,080 Moses was fantastic, fantastic person. 676 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,800 In fact, the last story in Deuteronomy, we're going to be talking, giving him his kudos 677 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,580 and giving him his swan song because Moses did a lot for the kingdom of God that we should 678 00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:27,480 all Gentiles and Jews alike be thankful for. 679 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,480 Yeah. 680 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,240 But we also need to recognize what he got wrong so that we can understand how that's 681 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,920 made right in Christ. 682 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,920 Yeah. 683 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Right. 684 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,600 So moving forward, though, you jump jump over to chapter four a little bit. 685 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,760 The thing that strikes me that I just find really interesting is the next part is Moses 686 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,480 urging Israel to obey. 687 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,480 Yeah. 688 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,080 And part of me wonders in this part where it's like, OK, is he urging them to obey because 689 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,360 he recognizes where he disobeyed? 690 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,200 I mean, that's a great, great question. 691 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,240 Or is he urging them to obey just so that they are obeying? 692 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,060 Well, and coming on the heels of this, where he recognizes that he's now coming after God 693 00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:07,680 trying to get something that he wants again, is he learning his lesson? 694 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,040 Yeah, perhaps. 695 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,320 I think that that's that's definitely a piece that I have to sit with that. 696 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,320 Yeah. 697 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,320 Yeah. 698 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,320 Yeah. 699 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,320 Yeah. 700 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,600 So he starts to prepare the next generation and he wants to remind them about the relationship 701 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,200 with God and how to keep that intact. 702 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,200 Right. 703 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,840 So don't fall into the traps of idolatry. 704 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,320 You know, retell the story of Sinai. 705 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,120 Like this is where we fell into some traps. 706 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,480 How your God is different from all the other gods. 707 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,480 And then he gets ready. 708 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,960 He's going to explain the law to them again. 709 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,880 And he's going to start with the Ten Commandments. 710 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,200 And he's also going to talk through something called the Shema, which we're going to talk 711 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,680 about next week. 712 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,680 That's actually the topic for next. 713 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,240 We're going to be getting into the ten words in Chapter five and Chapter six. 714 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,120 If you want to look ahead, we're going to be talking about these ten words again because 715 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,480 there's a reiterating from Exodus. 716 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,920 But then also he's going to step in and talk about something that the Jewish people would 717 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,080 say day in, day out, which is the Shema. 718 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,320 He's trying to say you need to build your foundation on something specific. 719 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,460 Yeah. 720 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:06,360 And I actually love that you pulled that out of Chapter four because, you know, I think 721 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,400 that's probably the right way for us to look at it is Moses is perhaps learning to trust. 722 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,200 He may have failed, but he's learning to trust. 723 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,760 But he can empower other people to trust. 724 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,680 He's going to empower other people to trust, which is a great conversation piece for us 725 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,520 in general is like, you're like, oh, well, I've failed. 726 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,760 OK, but can you empower other people to succeed where you failed? 727 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,280 I was it was interesting. 728 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,240 I was having a conversation with somebody about a something happened in their life and 729 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,900 it was a pretty significant thing. 730 00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:33,840 So I'm not going to get into details. 731 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,320 And they were just talking about how it's really hard to share their story. 732 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,640 But it was an incredible story of how God like overcame like massive things in their 733 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,040 life to like put them back together. 734 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,040 Yeah. 735 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,320 And they're like, yeah, I can't really share the story because, you know, if people knew, 736 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,160 I was like, well, people should know. 737 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,160 Because your testimony is your greatest weapon. 738 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,560 Right. 739 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,280 And I think sometimes we may be so concerned with our reputation that we forget that we're 740 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,760 actually putting God's reputation on the line. 741 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,760 Yeah. 742 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,760 Right. 743 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,440 And that's why we're not sharing the story, not ours. 744 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,840 This is the exact we've mentioned this before, but it's the exact reason Paul's like, I'm 745 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,280 not here to please you. 746 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,280 Right. 747 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,280 I'm here to please God. 748 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,640 And well, and and Paul didn't shy away from the fact that he murdered people. 749 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,640 Yeah. 750 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,600 Like he murdered people in zeal for he believed for Adonai. 751 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,240 But he was actually opposing God. 752 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,240 Yeah. 753 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,400 And like, you don't think that his testimony made a difference? 754 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,240 That's like a whole nother podcast there. 755 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,240 Yeah. 756 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,240 Episode right there. 757 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,440 And I think that's, um, put a pin on that. 758 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,440 We might come back now. 759 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,440 Yeah. 760 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,920 But this empowering people to succeed where you failed. 761 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,920 Um, because you and I both been in ministry a while and you failed. 762 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,920 I failed. 763 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:45,920 Right. 764 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:46,920 And you. 765 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,920 Yes. 766 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,360 No, I failed. 767 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,960 I failed plenty. 768 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,200 But we all failed. 769 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,400 And part of building leadership up is putting is building people up to succeed where we 770 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,400 fail. 771 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,400 Right. 772 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,400 Right. 773 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,320 And that's been my life in the ministries I've led where I failed horribly. 774 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,320 Yeah. 775 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,760 And it's been like my dad was saying a few weeks ago, it's like God pick up the pieces. 776 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,960 You're better at putting this back together than I am. 777 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,960 Right. 778 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:12,960 Right. 779 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,120 Um, letting God do that and then building people up to be like, Hey, you're going to 780 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,120 step into this. 781 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,280 And by the way, here's some pitfalls that I ran into. 782 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,280 Right. 783 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:26,240 Well, and, and part of raising people to be kingdom people, it's going to be messy if 784 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,640 people start trying to live kingdom principles out. 785 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,640 Yeah. 786 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,840 And so as pastors, as teachers, as Christians, as small group leaders, as you know, just 787 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:40,000 interacting with our fellow believers, are you willing to engage the mess? 788 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000 Yeah. 789 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Because it's going to be messy. 790 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,160 But it's also the only way to actually make real progress. 791 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,160 Yeah. 792 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,920 You know, we talked a couple of weeks ago about go out. 793 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,640 It's like, can you imagine if you have an entire church? 794 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,040 It's like, well, we agree on everything. 795 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,040 That's weird. 796 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,040 Right. 797 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,040 It's weird that you agree on it. 798 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,040 Yeah. 799 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,000 If you agree on everything, like you're probably a cult because there's not a whole lot of 800 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,400 independent thought going on. 801 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,360 And that's not to say you don't have unity. 802 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,760 Unity does not mean uniformity. 803 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,800 Let's say that again. 804 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,200 Unity does not mean uniformity. 805 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:16,600 Like that's really important because I think a lot of, a lot of damaging theology comes 806 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,600 from that dogma. 807 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,600 Right. 808 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,600 Yeah. 809 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,600 It comes from this idea that you have to think like me in order to follow Jesus. 810 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,400 No, you need to follow Jesus to follow Jesus. 811 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,120 And what he thinks is more important than we think. 812 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,760 There was actually a, there was a great video and I think I sent it to you about this person 813 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,600 who was talking about church and they're like, oh, why doesn't your church do, you know, 814 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,600 blah, blah, blah. 815 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,720 And they're like, well, we're a bunch of people who get together, who think that, you know, 816 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:44,080 the things that Jesus thinks is more important than the things that we think. 817 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,840 And so we tend to try to figure out like what Jesus thinks about things and go and do that 818 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,120 because, and then he's like, well, what about like when people think blah, blah, blah, blah, 819 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,120 blah. 820 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,640 I was like, well, we tend to sing songs about Jesus who, and how his ideas are better than 821 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,640 our ideas. 822 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,360 We like his ideas more than our ideas and how our ideas don't matter, but his really 823 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,840 do. 824 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,400 And then, and they're like, so you're always welcome to be here, but like, that's why we're 825 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,160 here and you're always welcome. 826 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,520 Like, but the reason we're coming together is because we think Jesus is more important 827 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,520 than us. 828 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,520 You know, right. 829 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,280 And, and like, you know, they're obviously being slightly sarcastic, but like it's true. 830 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,280 I mean, that's why churches should be gathering because we actually believe that God's, God's 831 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,600 ideas are better than ours. 832 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,200 And can you imagine what the church looks like when we actually live like that? 833 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,200 Yeah. 834 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,200 Right. 835 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,520 I'm going to say this next statement and I want to be very clear. 836 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,640 You should be getting something out of going to church. 837 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,400 Yeah, you should be. 838 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,680 Okay. 839 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,440 But church is not about you. 840 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,440 Right. 841 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,640 You are called to be a part of it. 842 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,640 There's multiple places in scripture where there's precedent for that, but it's not about 843 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,880 you. 844 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,760 It's about you coming together with the rest of the body, the rest of the family. 845 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,760 Okay. 846 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,280 And giving praise to Jesus, glorifying him and going and doing his work. 847 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,280 Being empowered. 848 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,280 Yeah. 849 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,480 As, as the church, the, the Ecclesia, the gathered ones, the dwelling place of the Holy 850 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:14,720 Spirit, you're empowered by your gatherings because we are the dwelling place of the Holy 851 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,980 Spirit. 852 00:36:15,980 --> 00:36:19,840 So I think it's completely appropriate to say that I have the Holy Spirit inside of 853 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,600 me, but we collectively, the church are the place of the Holy Spirit. 854 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:30,680 So I remember a conversation I had with a couple of people years, years ago, but there, 855 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,440 one person was talking about just like, oh, well, church I'm going to is really difficult 856 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,480 because I'm not getting anything out of it. 857 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,440 And I was like, well, you should serve that. 858 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,120 You should find a way to serve in your church because there are people who are getting something 859 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,040 out of it and you are now in a spot to where then you could be a blessing to them. 860 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,040 Right. 861 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,040 And they're like, well, but I need to be fed. 862 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,360 And I was like, but at some point feeding, being fed becomes your responsibility. 863 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,520 I had a, I had a pastor and I'm going to, I'm going to tag him in here. 864 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,520 Probably. 865 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,080 Uh, Aaron couch made, made the statement. 866 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,440 He, uh, he teaches at a church in Colorado now. 867 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,080 Um, but he made a comment about people when they go to church and said, well, I just not 868 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,080 getting fed. 869 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,080 I'm not getting fed. 870 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,080 I'm not getting fed. 871 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,480 And I think we've talked about, I talked about this earlier on the podcast, but he, he says, 872 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,360 you know what happens when you eat and eat and eat and eat and you never go. 873 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,600 So it's called constipation and you can die from it. 874 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,400 There's like, some of you in here are spiritually contemplated because you've been eating and 875 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,680 eating and eating and you've never shared a thing. 876 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,680 Right. 877 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,840 And like, to your point, you're like, Oh, I'm not getting anything out of this. 878 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,880 It was like, well, when was the last time you gave something like we are meant to be 879 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,880 conduits. 880 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,880 Yeah. 881 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,880 Oh, God's mercy. 882 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:38,880 Yeah. 883 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,880 Right. 884 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,800 So it's from heaven to earth. 885 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,880 One of the things that I love about like when we're filled with the Holy spirit, we're actually 886 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,360 supposed to be bringing the spirit wherever we go and like bringing God's presence wherever 887 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,900 we go and constantly being filled. 888 00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:52,280 It's a renewing of our mind and our heart. 889 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,080 And this idea ties right back into the end of what we're talking about where Moses is 890 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:02,080 starting to build the people up to go into the right to where he's saying, okay, you've 891 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,760 seen all these things you've experienced God in all these ways. 892 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,600 Now it is your turn to step up. 893 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,880 It's going to his land. 894 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,880 These are going to be your battles. 895 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:10,880 Yeah. 896 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,880 Yeah. 897 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,880 Right. 898 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:13,880 Yeah. 899 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,880 It doesn't get much better than that. 900 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,120 Like this, this is, this is a, so hopefully today you got a good handle on Deuteronomy 901 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,440 and like how this book is structured and really where we're coming from. 902 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,860 It's a different kind of piece of literature. 903 00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:25,000 You can't read it the same as you can read Exodus. 904 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000 Yeah. 905 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000 Right. 906 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000 And so we're going to try to pull these apart. 907 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,040 We're actually going to have a number of guests throughout Deuteronomy. 908 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,160 We're actually going to probably just have more guests in general. 909 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,480 If you have somebody you'd like to see us bring on and talk with, like choose an email, 910 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,840 you know, comment on one of our posts and we'll, we'll see if we can't get them on here. 911 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,840 We're always looking for people to come and join the conversation because more Christians, 912 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,560 more believers need to have authentic, real conversations about love and context. 913 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,560 Yeah. 914 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,560 Right. 915 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,560 Yeah. 916 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,560 Amen. 917 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,560 Yeah. 918 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:56,560 If you want to find us, you can find us on the Tik Tok. 919 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,880 You can find us on the Instagram. 920 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,620 You can find us on the Facebook. 921 00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:03,800 You can find us at gmail.com love and context at gmail.com. 922 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,760 The YouTube YouTube. 923 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,440 YouTube is if you are looking at us now, that's where you're looking at us from. 924 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,720 Unless this is of course a clip that I put on listening to us and you're like, man, what 925 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,680 they keep saying they're ugly and what do they look like? 926 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,680 You can go find us on YouTube. 927 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,680 Yeah. 928 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,680 Yeah. 929 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,040 I'd recommend that if that's the case, like first video, maybe just squint as you look 930 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,280 at the video the first time you wear glasses, just take them off. 931 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,280 Yeah. 932 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,360 You're going to be like, Oh man, those blobs are making some real good points. 933 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,160 Yeah. 934 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,960 We're so glad you guys are being here. 935 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,760 And as long as you guys are getting something out of it, we're going to keep recording and 936 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,760 putting it out there. 937 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:41,640 So take care and until next time, until next time. 938 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,760 That's a wrap for today's episode. 939 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,880 We want to extend a heartfelt thank you for tuning in and spending your valuable time 940 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:49,880 with us. 941 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,580 We hope that you found today's conversation insightful and that you take something meaningful 942 00:39:55,580 --> 00:39:56,580 from it. 943 00:39:56,580 --> 00:40:01,800 If you have questions or comments, we would love to hear from you reach out to us at love 944 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:07,000 in context at gmail.com and we will be sure to get back to you. 945 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,960 Remember you can always engage with our content on all your favorite listening platforms, 946 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,680 including apple and Spotify, Amazon, YouTube, and one. 947 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:21,200 Don't forget to follow us on social media at love and context on Instagram and Facebook 948 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,200 for updates. 949 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:29,760 If you've been with us the last 35, 34, if you've been with us last, hold on a second. 950 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,360 Here's your dad's right. 951 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,520 Bailik and Bailam ending numbers. 952 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,520 And so this would be 35. 953 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,520 Yeah. 954 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,520 Okay. 955 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,320 If you've been with us the last 35 episodes, you know that we've been in Torah and a dang 956 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,320 it. 957 00:40:44,320 --> 00:41:01,600 We've been in Torah for the last 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