1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,080 Welcome to the Love and Context podcast, engaging in unscripted conversations with your hosts, 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,320 Ben and Spencer. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,420 Whether you're tuning in from your car, your office, your home, or anywhere in between, 4 00:00:11,420 --> 00:00:15,140 we are so happy to have you join us today. 5 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:21,040 Our mission is simple, to explore the Bible through a powerful lens of love. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,200 Together we'll uncover fresh insights and gain deeper understandings of how we can love 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,560 God and love the people in our everyday lives. 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:35,500 So buckle up and join us on a spiritual journey as we discover timeless wisdom that is just 9 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:39,680 as relevant today as it was thousands of years ago. 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,720 Without further ado, let's dive right in. 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,760 Welcome to Love and Context podcast with Ben and Spencer. 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,760 I'm Spencer. 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:47,760 I'm Ben. 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,600 So in case you haven't figured that out yet, or if you're a first time listener, or a first 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,600 time watcher, and they're like, who are these very ugly fellows that are going to talk to 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:56,600 us about the Bible? 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,860 My wife thinks I'm beautiful and that's what counts. 18 00:00:58,860 --> 00:01:00,520 There was a really funny story about Spencer. 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,360 It was about a year ago. 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,420 He had a challenge for his kids at Young Life that if they raised a certain amount of money, 21 00:01:06,420 --> 00:01:08,280 he would shave off his beard. 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,160 So if you ever wonder what that looks like, it's terrifying. 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,160 It is. 24 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,160 It is. 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,160 Yeah. 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,440 So if you're joining us for the first time, we are going through Torah. 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,720 We're actually in Numbers and we're going to be in Numbers 20 today. 28 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,000 Just one chapter, guys. 29 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Just one chapter. 30 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,640 I know we have a tendency to cover like four or five chapters at a time. 31 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,120 A couple of the episodes, they may be shorter coming up, but there's these topics we can't 32 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,120 rush past them. 33 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,000 They need their own time and they only need their own subjects. 34 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:40,680 So these may be a little bit shorter episodes, but based on our amount of we talk, I'm going 35 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,640 to guess that it's probably not going to be the case. 36 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:43,640 Find out. 37 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:44,640 Yeah. 38 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,560 By the way, I wanted to address something that I got the comment from my listener. 39 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,920 They made a comment and I told them I was definitely going to talk about them on the 40 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,920 podcast. 41 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:54,920 So here we go. 42 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,040 I mentioned that when they were listening through and apparently they were just like 43 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,520 crushing through them, like multiple episodes at a time, they said that we tend to say you 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:08,600 have to, you must, you gotta, like on a very frequent basis and we're going to keep doing 45 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,400 that. 46 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Always just know that we're- 47 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,800 Your listener. 48 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:15,800 Continue to enjoy. 49 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,580 Continue to enjoy because we're going to say things probably incorrectly at times. 50 00:02:20,580 --> 00:02:22,840 Here is a, we're actually in a different location. 51 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,840 Hopefully we're going to see how the lighting works out here. 52 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,840 Yeah. 53 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,080 We haven't actually posted the first episode. 54 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,440 In fact, if you watch the first episode and you watch this episode, you're like, they're 55 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,440 wearing the same thing. 56 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,000 That's because we recorded them at the same time. 57 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,440 No, we just don't do laundry. 58 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:34,440 That's it. 59 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:35,440 Yeah. 60 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,040 You did talk about in your last episode that you only have like five of the exact same shirt. 61 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,040 I do. 62 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,520 I own four of this sweater and it's for a reason. 63 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,520 Yeah. 64 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,040 So I think it was a, it was a story about Daniel Radcliffe when he would go out in public, 65 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,240 he always wore the same thing over and over again so that paparazzi couldn't sell pictures 66 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,960 of him because they couldn't verify what day it came from. 67 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:54,960 Yep. 68 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:55,960 Which I was like, that's genius. 69 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:56,960 Pretty great. 70 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:57,960 I'm not going to lie. 71 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:58,960 That's pretty great. 72 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,960 All right. 73 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:01,680 So this is going to be kind of a little bit of a harder story. 74 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,960 We're going to get into a few things here. 75 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,800 So I'm going to just start reading from here. 76 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,200 I started in chapter 20 and you know what? 77 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,200 We're going to read a good section of it and then come back and talk about it. 78 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,480 Starting verse one, it says, in the first month, the whole Israel community arrived 79 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,400 at the desert of Zin. 80 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,000 That is Zin not sin. 81 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,640 And they stayed at Kadesh. 82 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:22,720 There Miriam died and was buried. 83 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:23,720 Very sudden. 84 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,440 Now there was no water for the community and the people gathered in opposition to Moses 85 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,440 and Aaron. 86 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,320 They quarreled with Moses and said, if only we had died with it when our brothers fell 87 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,320 before the Lord. 88 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,080 First time they quarreled with Moses, right? 89 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,080 Yeah. 90 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,640 So you remember we didn't get very far. 91 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:39,640 This has just happened. 92 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,920 Like this has just happened and Moses and Aaron interceded for them so that they didn't 93 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:43,920 die there. 94 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:44,920 Yeah. 95 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,680 Now they go a little bit further and they don't have any water, which to be fair, the 96 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:48,840 desert is really hot. 97 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,040 We have that shirt available now. 98 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,040 Yep. 99 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,040 I think it is. 100 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,040 It is. 101 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,160 The desert is really hot. 102 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,360 And so like to be fair, no water in the desert is rough. 103 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,360 Yeah. 104 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,360 Right. 105 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,160 And they actually don't complain about water that much in the desert. 106 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,680 I was actually talking with a friend of mine and he was talking about water in the desert 107 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,560 and they said, oh yeah, the Israelites are always complaining about water in the desert. 108 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,600 It's like it only happens like twice. 109 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:10,600 Right? 110 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,560 They complain a lot in the desert. 111 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,560 Yeah. 112 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,840 They complain a lot in the desert, but they only actually complain about water twice. 113 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,560 The first time was when God had them go strike the rock. 114 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,600 And then the second time is the story that's coming up. 115 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,640 By the way, those stories might be related. 116 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,640 It's entirely possible. 117 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,640 But they are. 118 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,640 All right. 119 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:30,640 Take a look on here. 120 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,960 It says, they quarreled and said, if only we had died when our brothers fell dead before 121 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,320 the Lord, why did you bring the Lord's community into the wilderness that we and our livestock 122 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,320 should die here? 123 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,480 While they up the ante, the livestock's going to die too. 124 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,360 Why did you bring us up out of Egypt to this terrible place? 125 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,380 It has no grain or figs, grapevines or pomegranates, and there's no water to drink. 126 00:04:48,380 --> 00:04:51,680 It's interesting they talk about grapevines and pomegranates because we just saw that 127 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:52,680 somewhere. 128 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,680 Where was that? 129 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,120 That was just previous chapters. 130 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,680 When they were going into the promised land, it was grapes, pomegranates and figs. 131 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:00,680 Yeah. 132 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,680 That's the stuff they brought back. 133 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,680 And they're like, we had all these things in Egypt. 134 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,640 Well, you could have had all these things if you had gone into the land like God had 135 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:09,640 told you. 136 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:10,640 Yep. 137 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,920 So Marysus and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance of the tent of meeting and 138 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,440 fell face down and the glory of the Lord appeared to them. 139 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,960 The Lord said to Moses, take the staff and you and your brother Aaron gathered the assembly 140 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,640 together. 141 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,160 Take to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. 142 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,400 You will bring water out of the rock for the whole community so they and their livestock 143 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,400 can drink. 144 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,320 So Moses took the staff from the Lord's presence just as he commanded. 145 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,600 By the way, staff in the Lord's presence, which one would this have been? 146 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,600 Aaron's staff. 147 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,960 Aaron's staff, the one that just butted. 148 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,280 He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, 149 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:45,800 listen you rebels, must we bring you water out of the rock? 150 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,560 Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with the staff. 151 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,080 Their gust out in the community and their livestock drank. 152 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,580 But the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, because you did not trust me enough to honor me as 153 00:05:55,580 --> 00:06:00,360 holy in the sight of Israel, you will not bring this community into the land I give 154 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,360 them. 155 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,520 These were the waters of Meribah where the Israelites quarreled with the Lord and where 156 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,960 he was proved holy among them. 157 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:07,960 Okay. 158 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,800 A lot of sudden shifts in the story. 159 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:10,800 Right? 160 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,680 We're going to go further than this, but we need to stop and talk about the story. 161 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,040 In the show notes for this podcast, I'm actually going to link a blog that I did on the story 162 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,440 because there's a lot of interesting things that are going on here. 163 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:26,040 So one of the first interesting things that shows up in ancient Eastern writing, the rabbis 164 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,280 writing is that there's a story that they tell in the Mishnah. 165 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:34,080 Now remember, if you don't remember, the Mishnah is like Jewish commentary on the Bible. 166 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,080 Right? 167 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,680 And there's a story in the Mishnah that when Moses originally struck the rock, Miriam was 168 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,960 in charge of holding the rock and whenever she would go places, she would sing to it 169 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:44,960 and water would pour out. 170 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,400 That's why they never complained about water. 171 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,800 Now, that isn't necessarily what literally happened. 172 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,560 It's supposed to drive you to this reality is that as soon as Miriam dies, there's a 173 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,560 problem with water. 174 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,160 So there seems to be some sort of connection there that the text is driving us towards. 175 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,880 Now I'll leave you to wrestle with that. 176 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,680 It is a very interesting thing. 177 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,120 Miriam dies and then there's no water. 178 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,060 Maybe Miriam was in charge of water. 179 00:07:08,060 --> 00:07:09,760 Maybe she was in charge of finding water. 180 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,080 There's a bunch of different things that that could have to do with. 181 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,200 But I do think that that story from the Mishnah is super interesting. 182 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,200 Yeah. 183 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,120 I think most stories from the Mishnah are super interesting because they're meant to 184 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,240 drive you to a textual thing. 185 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,680 So Miriam has died and there isn't water in the desert. 186 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,640 And to be fair, like I said, the desert is hot. 187 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:26,640 It's real hot. 188 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,200 And they complain about not having water. 189 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,120 It's crazy though, because immediately there's multiple things like, oh, we should have died 190 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,880 when God came against the people. 191 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Oh, we should be back in Egypt. 192 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,160 Oh, if only we had gone into the promised land. 193 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,000 Now the thing we know, because we just read this story and hopefully as listeners, you 194 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,920 just read the story as well, is that most of these things are actually their fault. 195 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,360 Right? 196 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,020 They complained, they didn't go up. 197 00:07:51,020 --> 00:07:53,680 And then they tried to go up when God told them not to and they got their butts handed 198 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:54,680 to them. 199 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,680 Caleb was the only guy who was like, let's go. 200 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:57,680 Right? 201 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,200 He was like, let's go get this land. 202 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,760 But it didn't actually work out that way. 203 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:02,880 Right? 204 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,760 I think that's really telling for what we deal with a lot of times in the church today. 205 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,240 We run into a situation that we're uncomfortable. 206 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,080 And we tend to have revisionist history. 207 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,760 We talked about this towards the end of last episode. 208 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:15,760 Yep, we did. 209 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:21,440 I mean, we tend, with that revisionist history, we just tend to make it what we think it should 210 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,240 be or what we thought it should be. 211 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,240 Right. 212 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,040 And not actually looking at what God's plan is. 213 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,960 I had heard a quote and I think it's really good and it's really good for this. 214 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:35,080 We tend to view history of other people through a lens of distrust. 215 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,040 Like that they were way harsher and meaner than they're supposed to be. 216 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,200 And we always put pain ourselves in the best light possible. 217 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,920 That tends to be how we just look at history in general. 218 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,160 And usually the truth is somewhere in between there. 219 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,160 Yeah. 220 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,800 Usually people aren't as harsh as we remember and we were not as level headed as we remember. 221 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,120 I remember Tara and I, my wife and I, were having this conversation about this meeting 222 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,120 that we were both a part of. 223 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,320 I got out and I was like, yeah, I made sure to keep a level head. 224 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,320 I didn't raise my voice. 225 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,120 She's like, yeah, maybe not so much. 226 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,840 So she had a very different perspective on how I handled that meeting. 227 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:10,840 Yeah. 228 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,520 And I've had the same thing with my wife where we've come out of meetings and I was like, 229 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,240 yeah, I was really calm and collected. 230 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,960 And she's like, so about that. 231 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,360 Yeah, not so much. 232 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,360 I was like, really? 233 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,240 She's like, no, you were a little bit of a jerk there. 234 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,480 And I was like, oh, okay. 235 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,880 I also have had the one where I said, yeah, I was telling them over and over again that 236 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:31,880 we need to do this. 237 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,320 And she'll go, you never actually said that. 238 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,320 I think you said it in your head, but you never actually said that out loud. 239 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,240 And people tend to respond to things you say out loud. 240 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,800 So we tend to do that as humans. 241 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,180 We tend to judge everybody else by their actions and us by our intentions. 242 00:09:49,180 --> 00:09:50,500 We tend to do that as humans. 243 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:56,360 And so when we're examining our lives, where we're at in ministry, where we're at in life, 244 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,960 we need to do a fair examination. 245 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:05,000 So in response to this, I like that Moses and Aaron's choice is to go to the temple, 246 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,500 go to where God is, fall face down and before him and he appears. 247 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:11,240 Just bring it before God. 248 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,120 I want to give them large kudos because in a little bit we're going to talk about some 249 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,620 things that don't go so well. 250 00:10:15,620 --> 00:10:20,280 But I want to point out that good leadership, when hardship comes, your first action should 251 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,280 be to pray, should be to seek God, get in the word, seek Godly wisdom. 252 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,220 These are all good things to do when conflict comes. 253 00:10:28,220 --> 00:10:30,000 That doesn't seem to be what we usually do. 254 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 No. 255 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 We're like, oh, you know what? 256 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000 I can handle this. 257 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,360 I can deal with this, whatever, this, that or the other. 258 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,960 But the invitation is actually to trust God in the moment, to ask God, like, what are 259 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,960 your solutions? 260 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:40,960 Yeah. 261 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,760 And then when it continues to fall apart, then we're like, oh, I should bring God into 262 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:44,760 it. 263 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:45,760 Yeah. 264 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,280 And it's like, you should have done that two weeks ago. 265 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Yeah. 266 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,480 Or two months ago. 267 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,520 Is there maybe this mentality where we don't want to involve God until it's like really 268 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:53,520 bad? 269 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,840 Well, we often view our relationship with God as a boss-employee relationship. 270 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,000 As an employee, you want to do the best job possible and you don't want to inconvenience 271 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,280 your boss. 272 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,880 You want to inconvenience your boss as little as possible. 273 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:06,880 Right. 274 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,480 And so, and if you're doing your best job possible, then your boss is going to essentially 275 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,080 praise you and you'll be like, okay, he's doing awesome. 276 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,080 This is fantastic. 277 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,080 Well, and it also has a thing to do with trust though. 278 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,080 Yeah. 279 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,280 So coming back to this idea that we've talked about repeatedly in the podcast of like, do 280 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,920 you view God through an angry lens? 281 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:24,920 Right. 282 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,240 If you assume that God's going to be angry if you come and talk to him, then you're going 283 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,800 to try to avoid getting God involved as much as possible and you're going to try to solve 284 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,540 it yourself and try to solve it in your own power. 285 00:11:34,540 --> 00:11:37,860 If you view God as a loving father who wants to see you succeed, you're going to be a lot 286 00:11:37,860 --> 00:11:40,560 more likely that when you run into hardship, you're like, hey God, what's going on? 287 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:41,560 What should I do? 288 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:43,600 Now, sometimes he's going to say you need to keep going. 289 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:44,600 Yeah. 290 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:45,600 Right. 291 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:46,600 Yeah. 292 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,020 And what we need to do is we actually need to step into that father-son relationship 293 00:11:49,020 --> 00:11:53,320 or father-daughter relationship where it's like, hey, no, I want to involve you in my 294 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,240 life as soon as something comes up. 295 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,240 Right. 296 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,240 As soon as I can. 297 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,120 You were telling me that story about your daughter and Ling Tile because you were doing 298 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,800 that in your house, Ling Tile, and how she was just insistent that she was going to do 299 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,760 it her way. 300 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,200 So she just learned how to use an impact driver. 301 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,280 And some of you who are listening are like, isn't she five? 302 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:15,800 I was like, yes, she is. 303 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,920 And some of us who are talking here are like, what's an impact driver? 304 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:19,920 Yeah. 305 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:20,920 Yeah. 306 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,360 So she just learned how to use, for Ben's sake, a drill. 307 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:24,360 Perfect. 308 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,360 Yeah. 309 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,360 Drill. 310 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,360 Heavy power drill. 311 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,360 That's what I heard. 312 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,360 Yeah. 313 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,360 An impacting drill. 314 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:31,360 Yeah. 315 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,360 Yeah. 316 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,360 She just learned how to use a drill. 317 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:34,360 And so she was like, I am going to... 318 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,760 We had to fix some floorboards before we could get into the tile. 319 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,440 She's like, I'm going to fix the floorboards. 320 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,080 She's trying to put the new subfloor down. 321 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,840 And I'm like, no, we got to cut it. 322 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:44,840 We got to cut. 323 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:45,840 We got to measure. 324 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,360 We have to cut, get the subfloor to fit. 325 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,360 And she's like, no, I got this. 326 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,920 And so then she pulls out the tape measure and she's like, it's 3722 inches. 327 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,920 I'm like, that's not a number to start with. 328 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Why? 329 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:58,920 Either that or it's a really big number. 330 00:12:58,920 --> 00:12:59,920 Yeah. 331 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:00,920 Yeah. 332 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:01,920 Which my floorboards are not that big. 333 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,680 But anyways, it was... 334 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:04,980 And then she's like, oh, I got this. 335 00:13:04,980 --> 00:13:05,980 And then she would get frustrated. 336 00:13:05,980 --> 00:13:06,980 I was like, oh, I can't do it. 337 00:13:06,980 --> 00:13:08,800 I'm like, okay, well, let me help you and show you how to do it. 338 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,160 And then, no, I got this. 339 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,240 And then I was like, okay. 340 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,240 Right? 341 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,240 Yeah. 342 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,760 You just had to let her go and do it. 343 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:17,760 Yeah. 344 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,920 And then she's like, I'm noticing where she came and talked to you and you recognize that 345 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,360 she wouldn't learn until she did it herself and messed up. 346 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,960 And a loving father lets you do that. 347 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:25,960 Yeah. 348 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:26,960 I let her do it. 349 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,840 I stood there to make sure that she wasn't going to do anything that was going to hurt 350 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:29,840 her. 351 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:30,840 Right? 352 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:31,840 She was using power tools. 353 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,960 So I was like, I'm going to stand there and make sure she's not going to hurt herself. 354 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,560 But at the same time, I was like, all right, you got this. 355 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:39,920 Go for it. 356 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,920 And then she eventually got to a point where she got frustrated enough where she's like, 357 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,040 all right, dad, I need you to help me. 358 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,040 Right. 359 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,240 And to the point of what's going on in the book of Numbers, this is the invitation from 360 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,680 God is like, are you going to trust me? 361 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:54,840 Because we talked about over and over again in these last, they're grumbling, they're 362 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,120 grumbling, they're whispering, they're spreading bad reports. 363 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,320 They don't trust God. 364 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,400 No. 365 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,080 Even in the quail, they were gathering 10 times what they needed. 366 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,080 No. 367 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,020 Because they don't trust that the meat's going to be there the next day. 368 00:14:05,020 --> 00:14:07,920 They don't trust that God's going to lead them into the land. 369 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:13,000 They don't trust that they can fight the Nephilim and the Amalekites and all these different 370 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 people. 371 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,520 God's going to provide anything, which is crazy because he's done it over and over again. 372 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,040 And by the way, there are so many churches in America that don't trust. 373 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,040 Correct. 374 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,040 That the Lord's going to do his work. 375 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,240 And they're like, we need to do the work. 376 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,840 Well, and that's a surprising thing. 377 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,000 You have these churches that don't trust. 378 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,020 And then they look at the churches that do and they're like, well, they got to be doing 379 00:14:35,020 --> 00:14:38,780 something like incorrect theologically. 380 00:14:38,780 --> 00:14:41,240 Maybe they're just trusting God and he's blessing it. 381 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,320 Even if they have bad parts, he's blessing it because the gospel is being preached, because 382 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,000 the kingdom is moving forward, because love is adorning their posts. 383 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Right? 384 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,440 And let's be real throughout Torah. 385 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,460 God is blessing Israel. 386 00:14:55,460 --> 00:14:56,740 And not perfect people. 387 00:14:56,740 --> 00:14:58,400 Not perfect people. 388 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,240 He's blessing this grumbling, complaining nation. 389 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,240 Right? 390 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,240 Rightfully so. 391 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,480 Like let's give a little credit to Israel. 392 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,240 Like they were ripped out of the life that they knew. 393 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,240 Slavery. 394 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,240 Yeah. 395 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,240 They were ripped out of it. 396 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,040 They knew that life and then they were thrown into life in the desert as desert wanderers 397 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,720 for a while. 398 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,440 And so they had a very sudden change. 399 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,440 Very sudden. 400 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:22,440 Very sudden change. 401 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,920 So it's natural to be like, what's going on? 402 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,040 Well, especially when you factor in like, we set slavery, right? 403 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,640 So you know exactly what to expect every day of slavery. 404 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:31,640 Yeah. 405 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:32,640 Right? 406 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Like you don't have to guess what's going to happen. 407 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,640 Who's an authority? 408 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,640 Like it's very clear. 409 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,280 God leads a different way. 410 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,920 God doesn't lead with the rod. 411 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:39,920 He leads with the voice. 412 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:40,920 Yes. 413 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,120 Which is actually going to bring us into what happens next here. 414 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,980 So let's take a look and see what God tells them to do. 415 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:49,440 So they go before God, which is the right thing to do. 416 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,440 And God says to Moses, take the staff. 417 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,440 Okay. 418 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:53,560 We know what he's talking about. 419 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,160 And you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. 420 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,160 Perfect. 421 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,760 Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. 422 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,840 You will bring water out of the rock for the community to drink so that they and their 423 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,560 livestock can drink. 424 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:08,560 Right? 425 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,320 So then let's take a look. 426 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,980 Moses takes the staff, exactly what he's supposed to do. 427 00:16:12,980 --> 00:16:16,000 He and Aaron gather the assembly together in front of the rock. 428 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:21,760 And then Moses speaks to the people. 429 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,000 Moses wasn't told to speak to the people. 430 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Wasn't told to speak to the people. 431 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,960 He was told to speak to the rock. 432 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,000 And you wonder, you're like, why is that such a big deal? 433 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,800 Well, take a look at what he says. 434 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:37,560 He says, listen, you rebels, do we have to bring water out of this rock? 435 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,600 Now to be fair, God did say that they're going to bring the water out of the rock, right? 436 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,600 100%. 437 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,360 So he's not misquoting God at that point. 438 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,720 But is this context how God is speaking about them bringing water? 439 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,720 No. 440 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:48,720 Yeah. 441 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,560 I would suggest that earlier God is suggesting bringing the water as an act of mercy. 442 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,560 Yes. 443 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:54,560 Act of grace. 444 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,520 But Moses is an act of vindication of, I know better than you. 445 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:00,960 And so this is what's going to go on. 446 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:01,960 Right? 447 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,600 And we're going to place you under judgment, Israel, so that you can see, like you're such 448 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,040 complainers that God has to bring water out of a rock. 449 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,440 Right? 450 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,680 You have God saying, hey, I'm going to do this work through Moses. 451 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:14,680 Right? 452 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,040 And he looks at Moses and says, I'm going to do this through you. 453 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,960 And then Moses gets up there and he's like, all right, do I have to do this? 454 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,880 Those are two very different things. 455 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:24,880 Two very different things. 456 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,160 And then Moses speaks to the people. 457 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,320 He doesn't speak to the rock. 458 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,920 And then he strikes the rock. 459 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,760 But he doesn't just strike it once. 460 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:33,760 Twice. 461 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:34,760 Twice. 462 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,840 I think the first time he hits the rock and water doesn't come out, he's like, right, 463 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,320 I'm supposed to speak to it. 464 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:41,320 Right? 465 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,840 Like you think like that was the thing. 466 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:48,040 Now I have no textual like verification of this, but this makes me think of the book 467 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:57,440 of Genesis and makes me go back to the garden of Eden where Eve eats and then Adam eats 468 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,600 and then their eyes are opened. 469 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,800 Like sin is realized in that moment. 470 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,920 And so Moses doesn't strike once. 471 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,240 He strikes twice. 472 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,240 Right? 473 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,240 He strikes twice. 474 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,080 Like after God has not moved on the first strike, he strikes again. 475 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,440 Now God honors it and he brings water. 476 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,360 So God is going to pour out his grace even when people abuse how it's supposed to be 477 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:20,360 done. 478 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:21,360 Yeah. 479 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:24,600 And we actually really need to stress this because I think sometimes people misunderstand 480 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:25,600 this. 481 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,160 One of the reasons we don't talk badly about other people is because we know that God moves 482 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,560 in spite of us most of the time rather than because of us. 483 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,560 Yeah. 484 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,320 And we should be so thankful and grateful that that is who God is. 485 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,320 I remember the story. 486 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,920 We've talked about this before, but Jesus is in Samaria and James and John come in. 487 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,680 They're like, these people don't appreciate us. 488 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,360 Let's bring down fire from heaven. 489 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:50,360 And he's like, really? 490 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:51,360 Really? 491 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:53,720 He's like, yeah, we're not going to do that. 492 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,840 But I'll tell you what, the next day I'm going to commission you to go preach the good news. 493 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,760 Turns out Jesus just has a different way of discipling us than we do. 494 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:01,760 Yeah. 495 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:02,760 Right? 496 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,040 And I think we really need to be grateful and thankful that that's who God is. 497 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,040 Yeah. 498 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,920 Because when you look at the story of how Moses handled this, he's like, vindication, 499 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,440 I am going to call you all out. 500 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,400 And God's sitting there and he's like, here we go. 501 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,440 But I'm still going to fulfill my promise. 502 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,400 This also plays back into repeatedly when God says I'm going to take them all out and 503 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,000 then Moses steps in the gap. 504 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:31,200 This also plays into my perspective theologically that God is inviting Moses into a role. 505 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,960 He's inviting him to be the kind of person who leads with his voice, not with a stick. 506 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,720 Because Egypt leads with a stick. 507 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:42,080 In fact, we're going to link a show from Baymah talked about the tale of two kingdoms. 508 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:47,120 Are you going to lead with Shalom or are you going to lead with Empire? 509 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,600 In this moment, Moses chooses Empire. 510 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,800 He chooses to put a story on display and it's just not God's. 511 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,700 And I would postulate that at this point, when God has this conversation, he just realizes 512 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:04,600 that Moses is not going to be the kind of person that he needs to lead the people into 513 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,780 the land. 514 00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:09,520 And so he says, because you did not trust in me. 515 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,640 Now up to this point, what's been the issue in Israel? 516 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,140 They don't trust with the food. 517 00:20:14,140 --> 00:20:15,500 They don't trust with the quail. 518 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:17,000 They don't trust with the leadership. 519 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,080 They don't trust with the spirit. 520 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,000 They don't trust, just keep naming it out. 521 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,640 They don't trust the leadership of Aaron. 522 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,840 So the staff is butted. 523 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,080 Now Moses doesn't trust God to lead the way that he says they should lead. 524 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,080 Yeah. 525 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,080 Right. 526 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,320 And God's like, no, because you don't trust me and you're not setting me aside as holy, 527 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,520 you're not making me different than every other God that they've encountered in the 528 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:40,920 sight of the Israelites. 529 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,520 You will not bring this community into the land I give them. 530 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:50,420 Now we're going to stick a pin in that conversation because in Deuteronomy, Moses has a different 531 00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:52,040 perspective about why he's not allowed in. 532 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,040 Right. 533 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,240 But right here, this story is you didn't make me holy. 534 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,280 And so you're not going to be the people to lead. 535 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,280 Yeah. 536 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,120 It is actually interesting though, in this text, I was running through it. 537 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:08,400 It actually doesn't say that Moses isn't going to be allowed in the promised land. 538 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,560 Not directly, no. 539 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,720 Like the implication is there. 540 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,000 And I think God makes it more plain later. 541 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 Yeah. 542 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,080 And that's going to come back to this point where we're going to talk about the story 543 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,080 later. 544 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,040 But Moses actually starts asking God, he's like, can't I lead these people? 545 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,700 And he's like, nope, you're not going to go on the land. 546 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:27,280 And I think that that's a final nail that kind of gets driven in there. 547 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,640 I long maintain in these stories though, that people react very strangely. 548 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:32,640 Yeah. 549 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,560 The reaction for Moses could have been, you know what, God, you're right. 550 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,240 I didn't lead the way you wanted me to. 551 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,800 And so I'm going to lead them effectively. 552 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,720 And then when you're ready to pass on the leadership, you let me know. 553 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,980 And I was like, I'm really curious what God would have done at that point. 554 00:21:46,980 --> 00:21:51,160 Now there's also one other episode I'm going to link from Baima and that's Josh Basset, 555 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,440 who was actually a guest host. 556 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,440 He's a regular host now. 557 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:59,300 Like Marty has a bunch of different hosts that host episodes, but he has a really interesting 558 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,760 take on what's going on in the Hebrew here. 559 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,640 And we're not going to get into it, but there's like this thing about the staff and a bunch 560 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,640 of other things. 561 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,640 And I just think it's worth taking a look at. 562 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,760 And I think it's Josh Basset. 563 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,680 I might after this have to eat my words. 564 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,040 Well, it wouldn't be the first time. 565 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,520 Yeah, it wouldn't be the first time we've got to do that. 566 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,840 I haven't actually haven't listened to that episode of Baima. 567 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,520 So yeah, I have to go listen to that. 568 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,680 So then moving on what ends up happening. 569 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,020 He was not proved holy among them. 570 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:27,920 So then Moses goes and he sends messengers to the Kadesh and the kingdom Eden and is 571 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,120 like, Hey, can we pass through? 572 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:33,720 And they're like, no, no, you can't pass through our territory. 573 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,720 Right. 574 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,080 You're going to have to go around. 575 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,280 So Israel actually ends up having to go around. 576 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,720 Now I wonder when I read this, if they weren't just trying to take a shortcut, try to get 577 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,000 to the promised land. 578 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Yeah. 579 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,000 Right. 580 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:52,200 So then it says that the whole Israelite community set out from Kadesh and came to Mount Hore. 581 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:57,840 At Mount Hore near the border of Edom, the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, Aaron will be 582 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:58,960 gathered to his people. 583 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,680 He will not enter the land I give the Israelites because both of you rebelled against my command 584 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,300 at the waters of Mirabah. 585 00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:07,620 Get Aaron and his son Eliezer to take them up the mountain, remove Aaron's garments and 586 00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:10,440 put them on his son Eliezer for Aaron will be gathered to his people. 587 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,800 He will die there. 588 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:12,800 Moses did as the Lord commanded. 589 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,580 They went up to Mount Hore in the sight of the whole community. 590 00:23:16,580 --> 00:23:20,160 Moses removed Aaron's garments and put them on his son Eliezer and Aaron died there on 591 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,320 top of the mountain. 592 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,360 Then Moses and Eliezer came down the mountain and then the whole community learned that 593 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:30,860 Aaron had died and all of Israel mourned for him for 30 days. 594 00:23:30,860 --> 00:23:33,420 So there's two deaths that happened in this chapter. 595 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:38,580 The first one is Miriam and the big note is there's no water. 596 00:23:38,580 --> 00:23:44,360 Then the second is Aaron is dying and he's passing on his leadership role to his son. 597 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:49,320 But it says that the entire community mourns him for 30 days. 598 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,560 If you're Moses, how do you feel? 599 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,800 Because it's Moses, Miriam and Aaron. 600 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,780 People have loved Miriam up to this point. 601 00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:58,760 It seems to be the case. 602 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,980 They waited seven days for her because her skin defiling. 603 00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:06,840 It doesn't say that they mourned Miriam. 604 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,840 They just moved on and started complaining about water. 605 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:16,280 I wonder if that doesn't play a little bit into Moses' frustration about the rebels. 606 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,360 Sister freshly dead. 607 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,600 Nobody cares. 608 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,600 Then almost like a stick it in your eye afterwards is like your brother dies and they mourn him 609 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,600 30 days. 610 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,200 Does my sister not matter? 611 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,560 She's literally the one that chased me down the Nile. 612 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:38,280 Not to mention, let's not forget that Aaron was the one that God sent to Moses when Moses 613 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,080 was like, I can't do this by myself. 614 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,560 So God was like, here's Aaron. 615 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:51,080 So Aaron, despite all his flaws, despite all the stuff he did, the golden calf, all that, 616 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,000 despite all of that, he was by Moses' side this whole journey. 617 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,720 He was there to speak on Moses' behalf to Pharaoh. 618 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,160 He was there when they left Egypt. 619 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,120 He was there partying on the Red Sea a whole way. 620 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,400 Other people have died. 621 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,400 Other people have been born in this timeframe so far. 622 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,360 Aaron was there the whole time. 623 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:19,600 So Moses in a very short period of time, he lost both his right and his left hand. 624 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,800 Not just family, but also leadership. 625 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:29,000 And not only that, like right in the middle of this, because he lost his temper, because 626 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,800 he didn't actually do what God called him to be, he's not actually being brought into 627 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,640 the promise of what God is doing through the people. 628 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,640 Right? 629 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,680 Like, this is an intense chapter for Moses. 630 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,240 And it's hard because you're looking at this and you're like, okay, Moses is patient with 631 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,320 the people and he goes before God and God defends him and he goes before God and God 632 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,320 defends him, goes before God. 633 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,080 And even in this case, God is defending him once again. 634 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,640 He's going to provide water. 635 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,640 Yeah. 636 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,600 I would challenge anybody listening to this or watching this, go read this chapter with 637 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,360 your empathetic lens on. 638 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:11,520 And see this guy who lost his family, lost his ministry partners, who lost his co-leaders. 639 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,240 Now he's left on his own is what it feels like. 640 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:21,560 Now yes, Aaron's son Eliezer is taking up the mantle, but what do we know about Eliezer? 641 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,560 Not much yet. 642 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,560 Not much yet. 643 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,560 Right? 644 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,360 At this point in the story, we don't know anything really about him. 645 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:27,760 We know he's not Nate Eben Abihu. 646 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,880 Yeah, we know that. 647 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,480 He at least knew enough not to go and try to become like God. 648 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,480 Yeah. 649 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,480 He at least knew that much. 650 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,480 That's what we know about him. 651 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,680 We'll learn more later on. 652 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,680 Don't worry. 653 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,120 But at this point, Moses has to be in a spot where he is hurting. 654 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,320 He is in deep, deep pain. 655 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,720 Right? 656 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,960 And what we often do as readers is we just read past this chapter. 657 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,560 We're like, okay, we're like numbers 20. 658 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,640 I'll put another challenge out there. 659 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,400 How many people have a verse memorized from numbers 20? 660 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,720 I don't think I have a verse memorized from numbers 20. 661 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,720 Yeah. 662 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,720 Yeah. 663 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,800 So I could probably quote something that I literally just read. 664 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,800 Same here. 665 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,000 Like I got my Bible open in front of me right now. 666 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,160 And no, my Mac's not my Bible. 667 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,240 I just have Bible open on my Mac. 668 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,400 I would challenge people to read this through the lens of empathy. 669 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,560 This is a heavy, heavy, heavy chapter for a leader. 670 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,560 Yeah. 671 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,000 Like if you're talking in church and let's say you had a pastor who had a ministry team 672 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:31,320 and that was both his family and his co-ministers and all of a sudden his whole family died 673 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,800 or her whole family died and you're like, oh, okay, great. 674 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,680 Let's go about our day. 675 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,680 It's heavy. 676 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,120 It's heavy. 677 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:44,520 So one of the things I was thinking about when listening to this is I want to talk to 678 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:51,080 the Christian, to the teacher, to the leader, to the pastor, to the evangelist, to the person 679 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,360 who is walking with God, okay? 680 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,080 Some of you, this is going to hit harder than others. 681 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,240 So just bear with me. 682 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,160 You've had successes in your life. 683 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,960 God's done incredible things, but God handed you something and you fumbled it so badly 684 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,200 that you actually betrayed the very heart of God. 685 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,800 And so that dream of what he was going to do with you is not going to happen anymore. 686 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:22,080 But God still has things left for Moses to do, okay? 687 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,440 I want you to hear that because God says you're not going to go into the community, but you 688 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,480 still have a role. 689 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,840 You still have a role until Joshua takes them over the sea, over the river. 690 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,600 Moses still has a role. 691 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:41,000 And so pastor, teacher, Christian, evangelist, whatever you are and you've failed ultimately, 692 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,400 you feel like you've just completely crushed everything you ever had. 693 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,440 God is not done with you. 694 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,680 It's not going to be what it was. 695 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,480 And it might be something completely different than you anticipated, but God's not done with 696 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,340 you yet. 697 00:28:58,340 --> 00:29:02,200 It's time to accept forgiveness and move on. 698 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,460 Leave your past and your past. 699 00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:06,800 By the grace of Jesus Christ, no condemnation sticks with you. 700 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,880 The consequences of your actions, you may or may not be able to have those go away. 701 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,040 You may have to bear them the rest of your life, but Christ goes with you and condemnation 702 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,000 does not follow. 703 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,520 And moving forward, don't try to make it look like what it was. 704 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,560 Because that's not what God had for you. 705 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,240 In fact, I would argue that your mistake is probably going to be the best thing that you 706 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,520 can actually teach to the next generation. 707 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,580 You can acknowledge, hey, this is what happened. 708 00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:33,940 This is how it happened. 709 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:36,360 And this is how God walked me through it. 710 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,180 So you have an opportunity to actually disciple and raise up future generations that are going 711 00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:42,320 to know how to deal with heartache. 712 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,440 So good. 713 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,600 Just in the Christian life, man, there's just so many things that you can do. 714 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,960 Sin is a fickle mistress and she will devour you. 715 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:58,560 I remember in the book of Genesis, God says to Cain, sin is crouching at your door waiting 716 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,120 to devour you, but you must conquer it. 717 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,520 And if you don't, you may lose the promise, but there's still a role for you in the kingdom 718 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,520 of God. 719 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,520 Yeah. 720 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,680 We just want to encourage leaders. 721 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,680 It's hard. 722 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,480 It is real hard. 723 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,040 And I think in the church, we have a tendency to build up pastors on pedestals and then 724 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,600 we're surprised when they fall off. 725 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:26,160 And I want to take a moment and speak to the people who aren't in church leadership, who 726 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,200 just attend church. 727 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,480 The reality of the role that your pastor has taken on is that they're not going to be able 728 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,480 to please everyone. 729 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,480 True. 730 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,760 So Ben and I have been in church leadership a number of different times and I personally 731 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,040 have been able to please every single person. 732 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,040 Yeah. 733 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,040 Yeah. 734 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,040 That's a lie. 735 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Yeah. 736 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:54,400 I remember one church I was at, it didn't matter how I preached. 737 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,240 There's always people who loved it and there's always people who hated it. 738 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,880 When I led worship, it didn't matter what songs I picked. 739 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,880 There's people who loved it. 740 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,640 There's people who hated it. 741 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,680 It didn't matter how we had the lobby set up. 742 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,680 There's people who liked it. 743 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,680 There's people who hated it. 744 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,680 Right. 745 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,200 And so in one sense, it didn't matter too much because there's always going to be people 746 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,520 who loved it and always people who hated it. 747 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,520 Right. 748 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,440 And so we have to recognize that our church leaders, they've been put in charge of that 749 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,880 church and we need to be encouraging them and building them up. 750 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,520 Going back to last week, if it's not your staff that's butted, then your job is to support 751 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,520 the one who butted. 752 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,520 Yeah. 753 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,520 Exactly. 754 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,520 Right. 755 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,240 If it's not your position and you just have to be okay with where God puts you. 756 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,400 In fact, this comes up multiple times because we go back to Nate Abedabaihu. 757 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,200 They were trying to usurp the role of their father. 758 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,200 Yeah. 759 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,200 Right. 760 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,440 You have Cora and the worship leaders who are seeking to usurp the authority of Aaron. 761 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,440 Yeah. 762 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,440 Right. 763 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,440 This is happening over and over again. 764 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,000 Miriam and Aaron even are upset with Moses because of his wife because they're like, 765 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,320 oh, does God only speak to you? 766 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,600 Doesn't he speak to us? 767 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,480 They're getting intimidated because they're not comfortable with who got his place and 768 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,160 authority over them. 769 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,160 Yeah. 770 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,720 So, the authority being in authority over you, as far as I can tell, Moses is a great 771 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,920 person having authority over you because he's incredibly patient until he wasn't. 772 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,920 Right? 773 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,720 So, it took him years to lose his patience. 774 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,360 Over and over again, he's like, well, I'm just going to go to God. 775 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,360 I'm just going to go to God. 776 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,360 I'm just going to go to God. 777 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,960 The second that he forgets to go to God, disaster happens. 778 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,960 Yeah. 779 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:35,120 It reminds me of a story in the book of, I think it was probably the second Samuel, in 780 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,000 a time when kings go to war. 781 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000 Yeah. 782 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,880 David was at home. 783 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,320 Yeah. 784 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,040 When you're not where you're supposed to be, following the voice you're supposed to follow, 785 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360 you tend to do bad things. 786 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,120 You were talking about not being able to please everyone. 787 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,880 That's why it becomes so important. 788 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,200 The number one thing we need to do as Christians is be able to hear and respond to the voice 789 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,200 of God. 790 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,200 Yeah. 791 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,320 And that is, depending on how you view theology, that's praying, that's reading your Bible, 792 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,960 that is God speaking to you directly, all of those different things. 793 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,680 Obviously using the Bible as the basis for which all those things are judged. 794 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,880 Most church leaders are trying their best. 795 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:18,880 Most of them, yeah. 796 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:19,880 Most of them. 797 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,880 Most of them are trying their best. 798 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,880 Right? 799 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,480 And what I'm not saying is I'm not saying don't ever take things up with your church 800 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,480 leaders. 801 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,480 Right. 802 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,480 Right? 803 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,760 I take things up with our church leaders when needed. 804 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,760 Right. 805 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,760 Right? 806 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,040 I've had conversations about a few different things with them, but I'm always very careful. 807 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,360 I've always very careful to be like, okay, how do I have this conversation in a way that's 808 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,640 going to be productive and helpful all across the board to everybody involved? 809 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,160 Well, there's a difference between having a conversation about legitimate concerns in 810 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,640 a position of love and respect and complaining because you're not getting your way. 811 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,640 Yeah. 812 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,640 Right? 813 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,640 Right. 814 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,640 One of those is very productive and one of them is not so much. 815 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,640 Exactly. 816 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,000 And if you can't figure out which one, I don't know how you got the episode, whatever this 817 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,000 is of the podcast. 818 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000 Yeah. 819 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000 Yeah. 820 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,000 That's true. 821 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,000 So that's what we have for you today. 822 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,160 Yeah, next week we're going to be talking about the story of the bronze serpent. 823 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,160 And so I want you guys to not only read that story, but I also want you to read the story 824 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,280 in John 3 when he's having this conversation with Nicodemus because we're going to talk 825 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,760 about both of those pieces and how they interconnect and what Jesus is referencing back to. 826 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,760 Yeah. 827 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,760 Right? 828 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,320 So that should be a really interesting episode. 829 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,320 Yeah. 830 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,320 Yeah. 831 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,720 Well, thanks for listening and watching today. 832 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:36,400 If you want, you can find us on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, Amazon music, a few other platforms 833 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,400 as well. 834 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,600 Those are the main ones though. 835 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,680 If you want to see our faces, YouTube's the way to go. 836 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,000 If you watch one episode with our faces and you're like, I don't want to see those faces 837 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,040 ever again, then you just listen. 838 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,040 That's fine too. 839 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,320 They say those guys sound way better than they look. 840 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,800 They sound way better than they look. 841 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:50,800 You can just listen. 842 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:51,800 That's totally fine. 843 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,320 So those are places you can find us. 844 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,800 Also TikTok, Instagram, Facebook. 845 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,800 Yep. 846 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,620 You can find us at those places as well. 847 00:34:58,620 --> 00:35:02,000 Don't forget there is a store set up now where we're going to have the shirt. 848 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,000 The desert is really hot. 849 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,680 I've got a few other things on there as well. 850 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,640 So yeah, check that out if you want. 851 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,480 I mean, just in case anybody's wondering how we handle any money that we make off this 852 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,720 podcast is we actually just donate it all back into local ministries in our community. 853 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:17,720 Correct. 854 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:18,720 Yeah. 855 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:19,720 Yeah. 856 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:20,720 We're doing this because we love talking about God. 857 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:21,720 We're not trying to make any money. 858 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:25,400 So any money that you give us actually goes directly to local ministry. 859 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,400 Yeah. 860 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,400 There you go. 861 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,280 So we're doing what we like and we don't need the money. 862 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,280 So yeah. 863 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,280 Yeah. 864 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,280 All right. 865 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,960 Well, until next time, we will see, talk, listen, whatever to you later. 866 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,960 Goodbye. 867 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:38,960 Right. 868 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,100 That's a wrap for today's episode. 869 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:46,240 We want to extend a heartfelt thank you for tuning in and spending your valuable time 870 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,240 with us. 871 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:52,940 We hope that you found today's conversation insightful and that you take something meaningful 872 00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:53,940 from it. 873 00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:57,720 If you have questions or comments, we would love to hear from you. 874 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:03,840 Reach out to us at loveandcontext.gmail.com and we will be sure to get back to you. 875 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,240 Remember, you can always engage with our content on all your favorite listening platforms, 876 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:13,000 including Apple, Spotify, Amazon, YouTube, and one. 877 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,520 Don't forget to follow us on social media at love and context on Instagram and Facebook 878 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,520 for updates. 879 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,240 That's going to be editing nightmare. 880 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:25,000 Do you think it's weird that in subtle we don't pronounce the B? 881 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000 I think so. 882 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,000 Yeah. 883 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,000 That's you get your ADD moment. 884 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,000 So do I. 885 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,000 Yeah. 886 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:57,920 Woo when she does that, she's going to be Magazines podcast.