1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,620 Welcome to the love and context podcast engaging in unscripted conversations with your host Ben and Spencer 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:13,600 Whether you're tuning in from your car your office your home or anywhere in between we are so happy to have you join us today 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:20,160 Our mission is simple to explore the Bible through a powerful lens of love 4 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:28,620 Together will uncover fresh insights and gain deeper understandings of how we can love God and love the people in our everyday lives 5 00:00:28,620 --> 00:00:34,100 So buckle up and join us on the spiritual journey as we discover timeless wisdom 6 00:00:34,340 --> 00:00:41,480 That is just as relevant today as it was thousands of years ago without further ado. Let's dive right in 7 00:00:42,420 --> 00:00:48,540 Welcome to the love and context podcast with Spencer and Ben. We're here to talk about Bible stuff 8 00:00:49,780 --> 00:00:51,780 This week is the long-awaited 9 00:00:52,980 --> 00:00:54,980 Maybe slightly contested 10 00:00:54,980 --> 00:00:58,300 Q&A 11 00:00:58,380 --> 00:01:03,260 It actually hasn't been contested on our end if anybody is contesting this Q&A, please email us 12 00:01:03,420 --> 00:01:07,580 However, you'll be too late on the email at this point. Yeah, this is the Q&A episodes 13 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:15,420 We received a number of questions from different people and probably should have given a more narrow scope, but that's probably that's all right 14 00:01:15,420 --> 00:01:16,100 Yeah, that's all right 15 00:01:16,100 --> 00:01:16,300 so 16 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:21,700 you know the reality for us is that we realize that we're gonna be talking and breezing through some topics and like sometimes we're not 17 00:01:21,700 --> 00:01:26,940 Going to talk about things that people want to talk about and so periodically probably every 24 25 episodes 18 00:01:26,940 --> 00:01:28,940 Yeah, we're gonna drop another Q&A 19 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:33,420 Provided that they're still hungry for it. Yeah, so throughout our entire 20 00:01:34,740 --> 00:01:38,680 Podcast if you have questions thoughts things that you'd like to see us discuss further 21 00:01:38,980 --> 00:01:45,620 Drop us an email love and context at gmail.com comment on one of our reels one of our photos something like just let us know 22 00:01:45,740 --> 00:01:50,100 Yeah, best way to get questions to us is email or message 23 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:52,020 via 24 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:57,380 Social media. Yeah, so let's just jump in right? Let's just jump in and jump into a question 25 00:01:57,380 --> 00:02:01,420 So I got this question to the email. It said since Abraham Abraham 26 00:02:01,980 --> 00:02:03,980 Was commended for his faith? 27 00:02:04,660 --> 00:02:09,980 What does faith look like in a rabbinic tradition? It's a great question. It is a good question 28 00:02:10,220 --> 00:02:16,420 Yeah, so on a very broad level we're not gonna get into like specifics because it's gonna that'd be a very long episode if we 29 00:02:16,420 --> 00:02:20,740 Did that it would be multiple episodes. Yeah, I'd be multiple episodes. Yeah, but on a very broad level 30 00:02:21,260 --> 00:02:24,200 Faith is what you actually enact in your life 31 00:02:24,900 --> 00:02:29,060 Right. I think about in the New Testament where Paul makes a statement 32 00:02:29,060 --> 00:02:35,500 He says if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord. Okay, we read past that and we're like, oh you make a public declaration 33 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:42,480 Okay, but think about where they are. They're in Rome where everybody has to say that Caesar is Lord 34 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,160 Mm-hmm. Not only that they're in Rome in a time going into persecution 35 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,680 Like persecution hasn't fully set in in Rome yet 36 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,520 But there's actually some arguments of timeline there 37 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:58,960 But regardless either persecution is happening or it's very close to happening and regardless there under captivity either way 38 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:04,040 Yeah, and so when you acknowledge that Jesus is Lord, you're saying that Caesar is not 39 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:12,120 Mm-hmm, and that is a very big deal because what you're doing is now your future is tied to Christ and 40 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,760 Putting him into practice in your life 41 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:20,840 And denying Caesar as Lord also denied your ability to participate in marketplaces 42 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,700 Social status in communities so on so forth. Yeah, potentially depending on the area region you're in 43 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:32,840 So when we're talking about what does it look like to have faith in rabbinic sense? It is a belief that enacts change 44 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:39,720 Mm-hmm, right. We tend to look at from an Western perspective. We look at belief as like an intellectual ascent 45 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,180 Right a good one for us to reference here is the first episode of Bayma 46 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:48,760 They say what is Bayma and Marty Solomon goes into a lot of things about Eastern versus Western thinking 47 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:54,960 Right that's gonna clear up a lot of these things about how does faith work? Yeah, but in a Eastern perspective 48 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:01,640 If you have faith in something you demonstrate it by what you do not what you think. Mm-hmm 49 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:07,960 Which is a really important thing for us to understand as Westerners that there's a lot of people who think oh, yeah 50 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:14,200 Jesus is Lord. Mm-hmm, but if you don't actually live like it, it doesn't impact you in any sort of way 51 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,800 Yeah, I got news for you. You may say it but it's not true. Mm-hmm, because if he was Lord 52 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,040 You would actually live your life like you belong to a monarchy. Yeah 53 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:30,320 Yeah, and we put our faith in a lot of things that we enact a lot of people 54 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,880 A lot of people I mean really practical and a lot of people put faith in money 55 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:42,440 Yeah, right where the more I'm going to make an enactment by saving more or investing more or spending more or whatnot 56 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,400 Right, like we can put faith in believing that that has power we can put faith in 57 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:53,080 Social justice issues around the world of like if I do this we're gonna solve that issue or help solve this issue 58 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,360 Which may be true may not be true. Okay, if you are doing that great 59 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:02,960 I'm a huge social justice advocate and I love it when I see people step up and be like we are going to dedicate 60 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:08,940 A good portion of our life to seeing something and or something start that is good 61 00:05:08,940 --> 00:05:13,080 So so when you're enacting that though, that's what we're talking about. Mm-hmm 62 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,160 Yeah, like faith in something means you actually believe it to actually do something 63 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,360 Like you're actually placing your weight in it. Yeah, I wait is actually probably a good way 64 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:29,680 I believe in the Hebrew as do with like have you actually placed your weight on it? And I think one of the very common stories 65 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,680 You'll hear told from pastors some stage which I actually think is completely appropriate 66 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,480 You say you have faith in Jesus and like you can say that you have faith in a chair 67 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,480 But until you sit in it, mm-hmm 68 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:39,960 like 69 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,120 Do you really have faith in that chair? Yeah 70 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,320 I have faith in elevators to elevate me and de-elevate me because I step into them and push the button 71 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:52,280 I have faith that coffee is gonna help wake me up. Yeah, which sometimes works 72 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:55,480 I should specify that I did step in an elevator and it went 73 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:59,040 And I did not have faith that it would take me to where I needed to go 74 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,080 So I stepped out and I took the stairs 75 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,800 So like I demonstrated by my action whether or not I had faith in it. Yep. Yeah 76 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:14,480 So when we're talking about Abram and Abraham were commended for his faith, it means that he actually put into practice 77 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Demonstrating that he trusted that Yahweh was true to his word. Mm-hmm 78 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:25,720 And how did he do this? He did this by leaving his family and following God now 79 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:31,320 See we view this in a Westernized context of like, oh, well, you're stepping out on your own and can justify it that way 80 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,040 The context Abram was in was so family centric. It was like no, no, no 81 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,200 No, you stay with your family 82 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,920 If you get married and that person gets brought into your family 83 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:48,520 If you're a man and you marry a woman that person's brought into your family and you stay with your family 84 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:54,520 And then when the head of the family dies, there's a whole pecking order of who is now in charge 85 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,840 Mm-hmm. And so God's showing up to Abram saying go is 86 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:06,840 To say leave the whole societal norms that you know and follow me 87 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,040 That's so good. So hopefully that that that helps there 88 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,600 We're not gonna spend a lot more time on that and that might be an episode where we talk about I'm gonna call it Church 89 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Ease, yeah, we say I don't quite understand what the church is saying where we talk about a lot of these concepts and break 90 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,800 Them down into plain English. Mm-hmm 91 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,040 Here's another one. I love this one. What does the word law mean in the scriptures? 92 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,160 right, mm-hmm, and 93 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,840 I mean my first initial impression is going to say a lot of things. Mm-hmm, right? 94 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:41,220 So I was listening to listening to a Jewish linguistic professional 95 00:07:41,220 --> 00:07:47,480 And she was talking about the interpretation of the word law. And so sometimes in our translations 96 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:53,680 We have law sometimes we have commandment. Sometimes we have decree we have statute like they're they're translated differently 97 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:59,840 Now when we read those a lot of times, I think in American society, we view those all as the same thing. Yeah 98 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,160 But they're not actually the same thing 99 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,860 They're different Hebrew words some words that are given are pictorially or 100 00:08:06,860 --> 00:08:14,420 Linguistically linked to the idea of cutting into stone. Yeah, right. These are immovable commands 101 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:18,860 Think of the words of God, right? These are immovable commands 102 00:08:18,860 --> 00:08:24,800 These are innu- innu- immovable instructions that are meant to be a lasting vigil all throughout their life 103 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:31,020 There are other ones that are more linguistically connected to a rushing river 104 00:08:31,020 --> 00:08:37,580 Mm-hmm, which the implication is that if you step into this it's going to take you to where it's supposed to go. Mm-hmm 105 00:08:37,660 --> 00:08:42,500 Right. So my point is that there's a lot of different ways you can understand law 106 00:08:43,460 --> 00:08:46,820 But I think that the worst way you can understand it is the way that we 107 00:08:47,020 --> 00:08:51,520 Americanize it and say that law means something that you violate and you get in trouble for yeah 108 00:08:52,180 --> 00:08:55,220 Because I think that even just going through Leviticus we talked about 109 00:08:55,220 --> 00:08:59,660 The law isn't meant to just correct bad behavior 110 00:08:59,660 --> 00:09:06,300 It's actually supposed to promote a specific kind of behavior that puts God on display. Mm-hmm. I have nothing that you have nothing that 111 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:07,780 Oh 112 00:09:07,780 --> 00:09:09,780 Man, that's so funny 113 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:15,100 This is this is one connected to that that I think is I've been looking through these questions and figuring out how we can kind of 114 00:09:15,100 --> 00:09:17,100 link some of these 115 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:22,220 But they were they're asking what does the expression works at the law mean when Paul uses it? 116 00:09:22,220 --> 00:09:27,700 Right now if you listen to our episode where I think it was the moral law versus the works of the law 117 00:09:28,180 --> 00:09:32,020 We talked a little bit about Galatians. Mm-hmm, right and 118 00:09:32,580 --> 00:09:38,340 There was a fancy phrase that I used it was mix a te a tora, right works of the law 119 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:40,180 and 120 00:09:40,180 --> 00:09:45,700 specifically what Paul is referring to is the things that you do that make you Jewish 121 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:49,380 Literally Jewish like the things that you're asked to do or or 122 00:09:49,380 --> 00:09:53,140 Put on yourself that like make you distinctive from everybody else 123 00:09:53,660 --> 00:09:57,220 Right, which is really important because we just talked about that in Leviticus as well. Yeah 124 00:09:58,020 --> 00:10:04,100 Circumcision right bearing the sign of the covenant. That's one of them not wearing blended fabrics and not cutting the ends of your field 125 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:08,660 These are works of the law that are designed to make you look different than everybody else 126 00:10:09,220 --> 00:10:15,100 So I think my favorite one in there is and we talked about last week in Leviticus 19 where it says not to trim like the 127 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:16,620 Edges of your beard, right? 128 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:20,260 Stuff like that, right? I think that's my favorite one. Yeah, one of these days 129 00:10:20,260 --> 00:10:23,060 We're gonna get a video going and you'll be able to see that Spencer has quite the beard 130 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:27,820 So you you interpret these and sometimes you read the laws you'll be like, oh, I don't understand how that applies 131 00:10:27,820 --> 00:10:32,420 Well, because you got to put it in context. So if you're wondering why that one go listen last week. Mm-hmm 132 00:10:32,420 --> 00:10:33,820 You know, I mean 133 00:10:33,820 --> 00:10:38,980 modernize it a little bit just so you can get yourself in the zone and then take yourself out of that zone and put yourself in 134 00:10:38,980 --> 00:10:41,460 The context was of which it's written 135 00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:43,900 There are specific things as Americans 136 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:51,420 That we do that make us look like Americans. Mm-hmm, right? I'm not gonna get into that. I don't want to get political 137 00:10:52,220 --> 00:10:56,820 But there are specific things we do as Americans that make us look more American 138 00:10:57,340 --> 00:10:58,060 Yeah 139 00:10:58,060 --> 00:11:02,660 So the idea when you see works of the law showing up in the writings of Paul 140 00:11:02,660 --> 00:11:08,340 Paul is referring to something that was understood in their time as a specific set now 141 00:11:08,340 --> 00:11:10,860 I have heard some scholars and I disagree with that 142 00:11:10,860 --> 00:11:13,940 Now I have heard some scholars and I disagree with them 143 00:11:14,420 --> 00:11:21,080 Mostly because they're not New Testament scholars and other New Testament scholars will actually tell you that during this time of rabbinic conversation 144 00:11:21,100 --> 00:11:24,440 There was a set of laws that they looked at 145 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,020 That's why they call it the mix of a tear out the works of the law 146 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:29,520 And this is what Paul was referring to 147 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:35,620 Right and it's very clear if you understand rabbinic conversation during that time that that's what Paul is referring to 148 00:11:35,740 --> 00:11:38,700 So I think what happens is we get into Galatians and we're like 149 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:41,660 Oh, well, Paul is just saying that Gentiles don't have to follow the law 150 00:11:42,580 --> 00:11:47,240 No, he says you don't need to follow the works of the law because the works of the law the things that make you 151 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,560 Jewish and make you holy the way that God is holy are never the things that justified you 152 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:55,960 Your justification doesn't come from observance of the law 153 00:11:56,660 --> 00:11:59,160 It comes from God. Mm-hmm always 154 00:11:59,860 --> 00:12:06,820 That's why Paul comes back and he says that Abraham speaking of our first conversation. He was justified by faith 155 00:12:06,820 --> 00:12:11,620 Because he heard what God promised and he lived in such a way that he believed it 156 00:12:11,620 --> 00:12:15,820 Yep, which is really important because we hear about the work of Jesus Christ 157 00:12:16,140 --> 00:12:18,980 Uh-huh, and we say we trust in our 158 00:12:19,660 --> 00:12:25,340 justification because of the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. Mm-hmm and because of that 159 00:12:25,940 --> 00:12:27,940 We're saved 160 00:12:27,940 --> 00:12:31,500 What Paul isn't saying is now the law has no bearing on you. Mm-hmm 161 00:12:32,220 --> 00:12:36,540 Because he's not talking about Torah. He's talking about a specific subset 162 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:39,580 Of what the Jews were supposed to do to put God on display. Yeah 163 00:12:40,140 --> 00:12:46,620 Right. Yeah, this actually comes back later in the book of Acts when the disciples decide what did the Gentile believers actually need to observe? 164 00:12:46,660 --> 00:12:49,700 Yeah, right and this is a very important nuance guys 165 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:54,420 And the reason is so important is because there's a lot of what I call supercessionism in the church 166 00:12:54,740 --> 00:12:59,140 Where we say the church has now taken the place of Israel on a broad level. Sure 167 00:12:59,140 --> 00:13:03,220 I get I get what you're saying, but we were actually grafted into the tree of Israel. Mm-hmm 168 00:13:03,220 --> 00:13:05,860 And so Israel has grown into the church 169 00:13:05,860 --> 00:13:08,380 Israel has welcomed us in as foreign correct 170 00:13:09,220 --> 00:13:12,900 Correct. Just because there's more of us than them doesn't mean we're not part of their family. Mm-hmm 171 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:17,580 Yeah, you think that that's gonna get us a soundbite and probably probably yeah 172 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:23,380 We might get us out of love and out of context how to love it out of context from Nick. Yeah, man 173 00:13:23,380 --> 00:13:28,380 Oh, actually, this is actually great because if someone just course co-incides with what we just asked 174 00:13:28,380 --> 00:13:30,860 It says does Paul teach that the Old Testament laws now? 175 00:13:31,580 --> 00:13:32,580 abolished 176 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:33,540 No 177 00:13:33,540 --> 00:13:39,340 No, and I'm gonna reiterate no because Paul is always translating Jesus to the nations 178 00:13:39,340 --> 00:13:44,220 And Jesus said that not one dot or iota is gonna be removed 179 00:13:44,580 --> 00:13:52,020 But rather it's being fulfilled by Torah made flesh. Yeah, Jesus himself said I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it 180 00:13:52,020 --> 00:13:59,140 Yeah, and Paul reiterates that Paul being a Jew. Mm-hmm being a Jewish teacher 181 00:13:59,140 --> 00:14:06,420 Paul would be someone who he's not abolishing it what he's saying. He's saying I see that Jesus fulfilled all of this 182 00:14:06,460 --> 00:14:09,500 So he's not saying it's void. We don't need to worry about it 183 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:14,100 We don't need to do do what it says or anything like that. It's not what he's saying. He's saying that 184 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:18,580 Jesus fulfilled everything that was said in the law, right? 185 00:14:18,580 --> 00:14:20,740 This is what John is saying at the beginning of his book 186 00:14:20,740 --> 00:14:23,300 He says in the beginning was the word the word was with God the word was God 187 00:14:23,340 --> 00:14:28,020 He was with God in the beginning and the word was made flesh, right and tabernacle among us 188 00:14:28,020 --> 00:14:34,340 Jesus is Torah made flesh. Yes. Jesus is the representation of what Torah looks like when a person follows it 189 00:14:34,380 --> 00:14:38,020 Yes in the world. Mm-hmm, and it's important that we understand 190 00:14:38,020 --> 00:14:42,460 So once again going back to Galatians, which is where a lot of people get this idea that Paul is like, hey 191 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:45,220 I'm just abolishing Torah. No, Paul is saying that 192 00:14:45,940 --> 00:14:48,860 Gentiles you're not justified by the things that make you Jewish 193 00:14:49,660 --> 00:14:55,360 Just like the Jews have never been justified by the things that make them Jewish. They've been justified by their faith in God 194 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,500 Yeah, and you also need to look at Galatians. You need to have a little bit of the context of the conversation 195 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:07,940 The church was having at the time. Yeah, which was hey, we want to share Jesus with these foreigners 196 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:13,820 Mm-hmm, but do we make them live by the standards that we have said yes to correct? 197 00:15:13,820 --> 00:15:17,620 Yes, the God fearing Gentiles people are already going to synagogue on a weekly basis 198 00:15:18,260 --> 00:15:21,660 That were on the peripheral like they wanted to be part of it 199 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:23,260 And so when Paul came through and he preached hey 200 00:15:23,260 --> 00:15:29,580 Everybody's welcome in by the faith in Jesus Christ now coming behind him come other Jews who are also believers in Jesus 201 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:34,260 So we don't want to like be too hard on them, right? Yeah, but they're like, oh well 202 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:39,500 No, you actually have to be a Jew too. Yeah, and they just don't understand what Jesus is doing 203 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:42,340 Mm-hmm. I like to draw like modern parallels, right? 204 00:15:42,340 --> 00:15:48,220 If someone comes into church who maybe doesn't have the most appropriate tattoo on them, right? 205 00:15:48,220 --> 00:15:52,080 And they say yes to Jesus they start following Jesus, right? 206 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:57,500 They are actively in the process of their relationship being restored to Jesus 207 00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:00,020 Okay, but they still have that tattoo, right? 208 00:16:00,300 --> 00:16:04,020 Mm-hmm. Are you gonna tell them well in order for you actually be restored to Jesus Union? 209 00:16:04,020 --> 00:16:06,060 You'll get that lasered off, right? 210 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:11,740 I think we have a hard time like wrapping our brain around is that we have the same call to bring Kingdom heaven to earth 211 00:16:11,860 --> 00:16:16,820 Yeah, but the call on Gentiles and Jews and Jews is completely different on how we accomplish that 212 00:16:16,820 --> 00:16:20,780 Yeah, and we are meant to complement each other not antagonize each other 213 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:26,420 Mm-hmm, by the way denominations. I'm talking to you. Mm-hmm. We're meant to complement each other not antagonize one another 214 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:32,060 Yep in Galatia these God-faring Gentiles responded to Paul and the other guys come and say well 215 00:16:32,060 --> 00:16:36,100 No, you got to get circumcised because otherwise you're not gonna participate in the kingdom to come. Mm-hmm 216 00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:38,220 and Paul's like listen if 217 00:16:38,860 --> 00:16:46,100 You have to get circumcision now in order to participate to the kingdom that comes then Jesus was a worthless sacrifice for you 218 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:47,460 Mm-hmm 219 00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:54,860 You have to understand that if you think God is holding out on you you're falling prey to the exact same thing as the garden 220 00:16:54,980 --> 00:16:56,180 Yeah 221 00:16:56,180 --> 00:17:02,860 Through Jesus Christ. He is not holding out on you you accept through faith and your identity is carried up to the very throne rooms of heaven 222 00:17:02,860 --> 00:17:06,100 Amen, so don't think you're justified by what you do 223 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:12,820 Now I think I think probably where the person is going with this is question is I think that sometimes maybe the the focus after 224 00:17:12,820 --> 00:17:18,180 That is that okay, but now you don't have to do any of the law. Yeah 225 00:17:18,180 --> 00:17:23,680 I was like, well, no the law is meant to bring life. It's meant to put God on display your life should put God on display 226 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,960 Yeah, but you're not following the law religiously 227 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:31,140 You feel following it through relationship with Christ and by the leading of the Holy Spirit 228 00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:33,340 Who brings the fruit of the Spirit in your life? 229 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:35,860 Side note a lot of the law 230 00:17:35,860 --> 00:17:43,220 That we were like view is restrictive is actually echoed in a lot of Paul's writings a lot of Peters writings 231 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:46,940 James John a lot of the law is actually echoed 232 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:53,340 Contextualized for the modern culture. Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right. I'm trying to follow a theme here because there's a bunch of questions 233 00:17:53,340 --> 00:17:55,340 So I'm just kind of following a little bit of a theme 234 00:17:55,940 --> 00:18:00,740 How much damage do we cause when we apply the teachings of the Torah? 235 00:18:00,740 --> 00:18:05,140 Without considering what it meant to those it was directly given to 236 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:08,900 We cause a lot of damage 237 00:18:09,180 --> 00:18:14,820 Would we apply the teachings of the Torah and not consider the context of which they're written and who they were written to and 238 00:18:14,940 --> 00:18:18,600 Why they were written to them. Let's like let's add that on there, too 239 00:18:19,340 --> 00:18:26,460 Torah was not written to be restrictive. It was not written to just give a set of rules 240 00:18:26,460 --> 00:18:28,740 it was written to reset you apart and 241 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:35,660 Bring you into a restored relationship with God because forgiveness of sins will happen in the Old Testament 242 00:18:36,420 --> 00:18:41,780 There was a system set up for that so you could have sins forgiven and you could be 243 00:18:42,620 --> 00:18:45,420 Set apart and have a restored relationship with God 244 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:50,100 And it was an ongoing thing you had to do through sacrificial system so on so so forth 245 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:52,980 But the nature never changed but the nature never changed 246 00:18:52,980 --> 00:19:00,100 The other thing I would say with that is you need to understand the context of cultures surrounding Israel in the time that Torah 247 00:19:00,580 --> 00:19:07,220 Was written correct because if you don't understand that it's not gonna make a lot of these laws aren't gonna make sense 248 00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:09,820 Well, yeah, like when we talked about Leviticus 19, we're like, okay 249 00:19:09,820 --> 00:19:13,660 God says I'm gonna have you do these things so that you're holy like I'm holy. Mm-hmm 250 00:19:13,660 --> 00:19:18,300 Okay, you're gonna be different than everybody else around you. Yeah, don't prostitute your daughter 251 00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:22,900 Yeah, and which like we're in the westernized concept. We're like, well, yeah 252 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:29,920 No, duh in that but in that culture there were surrounding cultures where that was a common thing to do for worship to their gods 253 00:19:30,340 --> 00:19:32,340 Was the prostitute their children? 254 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,540 So God saying no, we're not gonna do that because we're gonna be set apart 255 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:42,900 Yeah, I also think that it's important to know that once again, this is God affirming the value of women. Yeah, right 256 00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:45,660 right I 257 00:19:45,940 --> 00:19:48,860 Think it's a really important and once again linking back to that 258 00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:53,060 What is Baymah and I think it's episode negative one. I thought it was what they call it or something like that 259 00:19:53,060 --> 00:19:59,660 Yeah, but this this idea when you go and interpret the Bible, there's there's a couple things you got to remember who's speaking 260 00:19:59,660 --> 00:20:04,980 Mm-hmm. Who are they speaking to? Yeah, what does the person speaking think they're saying? 261 00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:11,380 Mm-hmm. And what does the person hearing think they're hearing? Yeah, then like who you said what's going on culturally with them? 262 00:20:11,380 --> 00:20:17,100 But also culturally around them and then the other thing you also have to think about the type of literature that you're engaging 263 00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:19,660 But the type of literature makes a really big difference 264 00:20:19,660 --> 00:20:25,820 For example, if you read a story or if you heard me tell a story me and I said I went to the store one day 265 00:20:25,820 --> 00:20:32,500 To buy a gallon of milk. I wanted to wear my plaid, but instead I wore a shirt of silk and you took that as an essay 266 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:35,100 What's the problem with that? 267 00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:40,240 It's clear that I'm speaking in poetry. Mm-hmm, right? There's rhyme. There's cadence 268 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,560 There's all these different things that are going on inside of my language when you're saying I wore a t-shirt to the store 269 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,380 Yeah, yeah, exactly 270 00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:51,860 Yeah, exactly. And so there's a different kind of literature. So when you go and you say, okay 271 00:20:51,860 --> 00:20:56,340 I'm going to interpret all of these books exactly the same. There's a problem with that 272 00:20:56,340 --> 00:21:00,140 You can't interpret Genesis the same as Leviticus because they're different stories 273 00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:05,120 Mm-hmm, exactly. And so you got to understand you got to understand that 274 00:21:06,140 --> 00:21:11,980 As far as the context goes and you could I mean you could tie that to modern-day parallels as well 275 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:14,020 We live in Alaska, right? 276 00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:19,940 One of the cultural contexts that we have to know really well is airlines. Mm-hmm 277 00:21:20,260 --> 00:21:23,580 When I lived in the lower 48, I did not have to know airlines well 278 00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:27,900 Right because I could just drive wherever I wanted even if it was cross-country 279 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:32,220 I was like I could just go do that the question my cars would make is another story 280 00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:37,980 But I've seen your car so I would I would question that as well. Yeah, but here you got no airlines 281 00:21:38,740 --> 00:21:40,860 Right, you got to know how to book flights 282 00:21:40,860 --> 00:21:45,820 Whether that's a small charter plane through Alaska Airlines or whatnot. You just got to know that type of stuff 283 00:21:45,820 --> 00:21:49,700 You got no ferry systems. So we have a little bit of a culture. That's a little unique to us, right? 284 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:52,860 but that doesn't mean that we live outside of 285 00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:59,180 Of the rest of the US culture. So with that said we have to understand the culture we're living in 286 00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:04,140 We also have to understand that the cultures around us as well. Yeah 287 00:22:04,860 --> 00:22:10,420 Involving yourself with people from different cultural backgrounds is going to make you think differently about literature you read. Mm-hmm 288 00:22:10,420 --> 00:22:15,480 I know that the South Korean couple has forced me to think linguistically much differently than I 289 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,540 Oh, yeah, they're members of our church and and like it's forced me to think 290 00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:21,500 Significantly differently about the way I speak. Yeah 291 00:22:22,420 --> 00:22:26,240 All right. So here's here's a fun one. Are you ready for this one? Yeah. All right 292 00:22:27,460 --> 00:22:33,660 What about NADAB and Abihu what's going on with that story? What is strange fire? 293 00:22:33,660 --> 00:22:40,420 So, you know no heavy hitters at all. This is just a nice like go for the softball 294 00:22:40,420 --> 00:22:42,420 Yeah, it's like here's an easy question 295 00:22:42,780 --> 00:22:44,780 They have in bayou 296 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:50,260 I believe that's in Leviticus 10, correct? I believe so. Yeah. Yeah, and luckily I go to numbers too, right? 297 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:52,900 Yes, they will they mention mention it in numbers 298 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:59,180 So for those of you that are listening that are having difficulty like placing that so we did not talk in depth on this story 299 00:22:59,380 --> 00:23:02,620 Because I didn't want to take away from the broad meta narrative. Mm-hmm, right 300 00:23:02,620 --> 00:23:06,820 So Spencer has some great that now just kidding I'm gonna throw him under the bus here 301 00:23:09,820 --> 00:23:12,780 So it's a great story but it is it is actually a really interesting story 302 00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:15,220 And so I'm gonna give you some thoughts on it 303 00:23:15,220 --> 00:23:17,820 But I'm mostly gonna encourage you to go on and do some reading yourself 304 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:20,420 So there are a couple interpretations of this story 305 00:23:20,420 --> 00:23:25,380 One of the things that I has happened very frequently is people talk about unauthorized or strange fire 306 00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:31,380 And they've compared it to a charismatic movement. That is a completely inaccurate and poor exegesis 307 00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:37,500 Exegesis being interpretation of Scripture in context. So let's talk about what's going on 308 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:45,400 God has set up the tabernacle and he's appointing Aaron as high priest and the sons as priests underneath him 309 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,580 He's getting ready to consecrate them. They're having a celebration 310 00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:53,860 They've been eating and they've been celebrating they've been consecrating they've been doing all these different things, right? 311 00:23:53,860 --> 00:23:58,120 And then God has Moses go into the tent of meeting 312 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:04,560 With Aaron and there and the cloud of God is above and then fills the area. Yeah, right and 313 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,280 Then it says that Aaron's sons Nate Abinabai who took their censors 314 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,440 These are the bulls that they have and they put fire in them. So they lit them on fire and added incense 315 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,440 Okay, and they offered unauthorized fire before the Lord contrary to his command 316 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,720 So fire came out from the presence of the Lord and consumed them and they died before the Lord 317 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,600 Moses then said to Aaron this is what the Lord spoke among you when he said among those who approached me 318 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:34,120 I will be proved holy in the sight of all the people. I will be honored and Aaron remained silent 319 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:41,200 And it says that Moses summoned my Michelle Michelle and El Zafon man. Those are great names, huh? 320 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:48,300 sons of Aaron's uncle Uziah and said to them come here carry your cousins outside the camp away from the front of the sanctuary so 321 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:52,440 They came and carried them still in their tunics outside the camp as Moses ordered 322 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,440 then Moses said to Aaron and his sons 323 00:24:54,440 --> 00:25:00,120 Eliezer and Ithamar do not let your hair become unkempt and do not tear your clothes or you will die and the Lord will be 324 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:04,920 Anger with the whole community, but your relatives all the Israelites may mourn for those the Lord has destroyed by fire 325 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:11,400 Okay, you read the story and you go what the heck is going on. Mm-hmm, right? I think that's pretty normal reaction to this 326 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:18,200 Yeah, so in Exodus, there's actually a story that mirrors this very similarly when they come to 327 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,360 Sinai 328 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:27,320 God calls Moses up and he's supposed to take Aaron native and Abihu which is they're actually named there and 70 elders with them 329 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,920 Up the mountain and they they see God whatever that means 330 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,840 Right and there's like the lapis lazuli like this whole section there with the whole area covered in it 331 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,960 Which is a precious gem and then they sacrifice animals. They eat they're there for seven days 332 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,840 And then on the eighth day Moses goes up into the cloud. Mm-hmm 333 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,000 So there's a there's a mirroring in the text like these things happen in succession orders. Yeah 334 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,000 right, so this is a a repeat of what happens except Aaron and 335 00:25:53,560 --> 00:26:00,040 Moses and native and Abihu they go up the mountain and then they all have to stop. Yeah, and Moses goes on 336 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,480 So what happens here in Leviticus? They don't stop 337 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,280 Once again, they go up and all of them are going and they have to stop again 338 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,920 And now Aaron and Moses are moving forward and going in here 339 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:19,080 And so what native and Abihu do and I'd like to connect this back to Genesis 1 which I think Rabbi David 340 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:26,040 Forman does a great job of doing they go and they take for themselves in order to become part of God's move 341 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,600 Yeah, they are not okay with their position 342 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:34,360 And so they go and try to usurp the position of their father because their father and Moses have been called in 343 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,240 And they are going in and actually trying to be there 344 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:42,600 Foreman actually makes a statement and some of you are gonna be uncomfortable with it and that's okay 345 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,760 But he makes a statement that when you take your sensor you have fire in it and you add incense it creates what? 346 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,160 smoke smoke 347 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,200 Which is a cloud like substance. Mm-hmm and they are going where? 348 00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:00,120 Into the tabernacle where God's presence is manifesting as what a cloud? 349 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,680 So they're bringing their cloud 350 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,480 Into God's cloud which sounds a lot like Genesis 3 351 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:13,560 When you will become like God knowing both good and evil and you're now trying to step into what God is 352 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,720 Yeah for your own authority. Yeah, and it's interesting that they are struck dead 353 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:24,040 But they're still clothed and they are carried out of the presence. They're carried outside of the tabernacle 354 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,920 And they're buried there. There's a lot of parallels between Genesis 3 and what's going on here 355 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,680 And people are really uncomfortable with this, but there are some really key takeaways that I think are really helpful in this story 356 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,240 God is setting up an authority of who's going to show the entire nation how to be a priest 357 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,080 Yeah, he's setting this up and he's like we will not mess this up 358 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,440 It is not for your personal gain is not for your personal authority 359 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,360 And so we are gonna make it very clear what's happening here 360 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:58,280 So that moving forward you understand your role as both priest and as nation of priests 361 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,720 Is to actually represent God to the nations 362 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,960 And immediately following this story you have a 363 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,320 Instruction for priestly conduct, right? 364 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:18,200 And so you have them the Lord speaking to Aaron saying giving these lists of instructions of what priestly conduct looks like 365 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,960 Right? So one of the takeaways I think we can take as believers is what does this story actually teach us? 366 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,640 Is that don't try to usurp the authority that God's put in somebody else's life 367 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,000 You see the thing about native in a by who is their dad was not going to live forever 368 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,120 One of them was going to be high priest at some point and be the one who goes into the tent to meeting 369 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,640 Yeah, but for them and I don't want to read too much in their motives 370 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,640 So understand that I'm reading into the intent here 371 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,440 But for them they went into the tent to meet the priest 372 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:50,440 They went in their motives. So understand that I'm reading into the intent here, but for them they went and took to get what they wanted 373 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,640 Rather than serving where God put them 374 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,920 Now some applications I think are really important is paul talks about the body of christ and it says 375 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,560 The foot can't just be like, hey, I'm tired of being a foot. I want to be an eye 376 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,320 Well, you're still a foot 377 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,160 And the foot is very important and no matter how much you want to be an eye. You're still a foot 378 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:13,240 And you have to be okay with where God has you because there's a function and he is God and we are not 379 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,360 Yep, sometimes I think people they they say well, I want this and I want this and I was like listen 380 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,840 It's okay to ask God for anything. Mm-hmm, but you also got to be okay with God saying no. Mm-hmm and 381 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,640 The if you're not okay with God saying no, I got news for you. He is not your Lord 382 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,240 I'm just gonna preface this this is gonna sound weird but go with me on it 383 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:41,640 Yeah, I'm like already seeing Picasso stuff going on here. Yeah. Now say you took the liberty said I'm gonna start rearranging where body parts go 384 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,960 Hmm. So, okay. Well, I'm a foot but I want to be a hand 385 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:52,560 So I'm gonna what that actually would be is that would be the equivalent of you taking your foot and moving it to where your hand is 386 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,520 Now what good is your foot gonna do in the location of your hand? 387 00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:59,440 Nothing, you might say it's gonna stink 388 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,680 It's the yeah, it's like not gonna do nothing or if you're like, well, I'm a hand and I want to be a foot 389 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,520 Yeah, what good is your hand gonna do in the location of your foot? 390 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,720 Exactly, right. So the so the other thing that I think is really important to note from this story 391 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,720 It doesn't say that God is mad at Nate Eben Abihu. We think he is because we assume that God is mad with us 392 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,400 Yeah, but it doesn't say the anger the Lord reached out and struck down Nate Eben Abihu. Mm-hmm 393 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,760 God takes a look and he says nope. Come home. Mm-hmm, right? 394 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,680 He he just removes them from the equation. It says and we look at life as it 395 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,040 But we know that eternal life is meant to be spent with God 396 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,840 It's a it's a qualitative existence. Yeah, but it's also an internal existence 397 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:46,800 Mm-hmm, right and so being removed from this life to go spend time with God in eternity because we're not putting the right story on display 398 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,760 Is not necessarily a position of anger. It can be a position of love 399 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:57,680 Yeah, right and and I'm gonna remind you also one more time that this is not the only time something like this happens in the Bible 400 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,400 Think about in Acts. They've received the Holy Spirit 401 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,960 God has moved and they there's 3,000 people have been added. They're having regular fellowship 402 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,280 And then the Hellenistic Jews feel like they're being shorted 403 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,360 So they appoint people like above them and everybody's bringing stuff to take care of everybody 404 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:19,840 They're selling their stuff and bringing it to the Apostles feet and offering it completely and then there's these people they're Ananias and Sapphira 405 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,880 Mm-hmm, right who have a piece of property. It belongs completely to them 406 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,000 Now this early church in Jesus Christ is being associated with the Holy Spirit 407 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,040 Christ is being associated with compassion giving feeding 408 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:41,600 Fellowship moving in the spirit taking care of widows and orphans. This is who they are preaching the gospel and teaching right? 409 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,480 living as a result of the risen Lord and 410 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,520 so 411 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:52,760 Ananias and Sapphira they sell this piece of property and they decide that they're going to give it for the community, which is a great thing 412 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,840 right 413 00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:01,460 But they decide that they're going to misrepresent what they do. We got this amount, but we're gonna hold some back for ourselves 414 00:32:01,460 --> 00:32:05,720 Now is there anything that precluded them from holding a portion for themselves? No, no 415 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,200 And yet they felt that they should go and lie 416 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:17,700 At the beginning of this movement that God is doing this new priesthood that he's starting they're going to go and lie 417 00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:26,020 about what they're doing to look generous to be well thought of to maybe enhance their status and 418 00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:32,060 Ananias dies and it doesn't say that God's mad with him doesn't say that God's angry 419 00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:38,700 Just says that you can't lie to God about what like the generosity of your heart and Sapphira comes in and does the exact same thing 420 00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:41,860 We read that story. We're like, oh God was mad doesn't say that God was mad 421 00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:47,300 I don't think the implication has got his mad, but he's not gonna let you compromise his kingdom of priests 422 00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:50,300 Mm-hmm. He's gonna put his story on display 423 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:56,540 Yeah, and if he has to take you home so that you don't mess up the story, he's gonna do it now 424 00:32:57,260 --> 00:32:59,500 Have you ever been out with your daughter and? 425 00:33:00,540 --> 00:33:03,140 She pushes the I'm done button. Oh, yeah 426 00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:05,860 Yeah, and you know 427 00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:08,340 That there is nothing that can happen 428 00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:14,660 That will fix this problem. Yeah at this point you don't like you don't wheel and deal you pick your daughter up 429 00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:21,060 You walk out you put her in the car seat. Mm-hmm. You drive her home and you have her take a nap. Yep 430 00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:23,700 For those of you who don't know my daughter 431 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:31,060 She is a wonderful strong willed stubborn kid who once she gets her mindset on something good luck changing it 432 00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:36,460 I love a strong willed children and people are like, oh, you don't even know I've got strong willed children 433 00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:42,820 Mm-hmm. I was like the reason I like strong willed children is they won't let the world change them. They're gonna change the world. Yeah, but 434 00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:48,300 Sometimes the done button gets pushed. Oh, yeah, and there is no amount of conversation that can happen 435 00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:51,900 That I'm gonna leave my child in that situation. Well, and when that done button gets pushed 436 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:55,700 That's when my daughter realizes. Oh, this is where I get my strong willed nature from 437 00:33:57,860 --> 00:34:02,980 And so like the thing is like me as a father now obviously we're talking about life and death versus me taking my kids home, right? 438 00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:10,100 But if you don't view life in terms of the finite existence, we have between 0 and 80. Yeah, right 439 00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:13,620 But rather you look at it as an eternal place where we're actually doing with God 440 00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:16,340 It may just be time to take you home. Yeah 441 00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:20,980 Because I don't want you to mess up who you are what you're gonna become. Yeah 442 00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:27,780 Now if you have struggles with that story in general go keep studying. Yeah, because that's that's just a piece 443 00:34:28,580 --> 00:34:33,780 So I think I think we got time for maybe one or two more short ones. Yeah, I love the softball questions by the way guys 444 00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:36,580 All right. Here's a good one for you Spencer. I'm gonna let you answer this one 445 00:34:36,580 --> 00:34:40,580 What do we lose as Christians in the Western culture and Protestant perspective? 446 00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:46,660 When we fail to see that the story is good from the very beginning we start in Genesis 3 as opposed to Genesis 1 447 00:34:46,660 --> 00:34:49,940 Oh, we lose our value. Yeah, I mean, sorry 448 00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:56,580 I was pretty quick to jump on that but we we lose what our value actually is who our values actually 449 00:34:57,060 --> 00:35:01,940 What who were actually created to be we were created to be in relationship and fellowship with God 450 00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:08,260 And so when we start the story in Genesis 3 the problem is is what we have is we have God's taking pity on us 451 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:15,060 Right and that's that's the narrative we then go with when the reality is God. I mean 452 00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:20,980 He's not taking pity on us. He loves us and he's wanting to restore our relationship with him 453 00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:26,020 So when we start in Genesis 3 what we do is we actually paint our value as garbage 454 00:35:26,020 --> 00:35:31,540 When God's actually seen our value as intrinsically like nope, you can't put a price on it 455 00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:37,620 And so that's why we have to start back in Genesis 1 where where the story is good 456 00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:44,580 Where is very good where we are in fellowship with God because what it does is it paints this picture of where we're supposed to be 457 00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:53,060 Versus when we start in Genesis 3 we get this. Oh, whoa is me. I'm a horrible human being 458 00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:56,820 And wow, I'm so glad this God took pity on me 459 00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:59,860 Which is not the gospel narrative 460 00:36:00,340 --> 00:36:05,220 Yeah, it's not it's not the narrative through Torah either. No, it's not like we just talked about Leviticus 461 00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:08,020 What happens when you interpret Leviticus through Genesis 3? 462 00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:12,580 Then you are all messed up follow these rules or die, right? 463 00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:17,540 And it's like here's some restrictive rules and are meant to like keep you in line 464 00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:20,020 Whereas Genesis 1 it says 465 00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:23,940 I know what your nature is and i'm going to give you guidelines that are going to bring that out 466 00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:28,660 Yeah, what your nature is supposed to be I should say because it's no longer is because it's been broken 467 00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:32,660 And so and as parents we see this in our kids, right? 468 00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:37,460 Like my daughter can be a not-faced brat sometimes 469 00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:44,580 We're talking about our kids. Yeah. Yeah, his daughter is pretty cool. My daughter. I like let's just take that like make sure you guys know 470 00:36:44,580 --> 00:36:46,580 Yeah, but if I'm not sure 471 00:36:46,580 --> 00:36:49,940 If my wife or my daughter is not feeling well 472 00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:55,940 She is right there. Like what can I do to help you? Do you need snuggles? Can I get you water here? 473 00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:57,540 Let me get you a blanket 474 00:36:57,540 --> 00:37:01,940 Let me do all these things to make you feel better very little of what she does actually makes us feel better 475 00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:03,460 but 476 00:37:03,460 --> 00:37:10,020 Like we're gonna foster that because she's like I care about you and I see where you're at and i'm gonna come alongside you 477 00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:13,380 Like that is you know, I'm gonna come alongside you 478 00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:17,380 And i'm gonna come alongside you like that is huge, right? 479 00:37:18,580 --> 00:37:21,460 What god does is he does the same thing where he sees us 480 00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:27,620 He sees us in our brokenness in our sickness in our pain in our sinful in our sin and he says hey 481 00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:33,620 This is not who you're designed to be. You're not designed to be sick. You're designed to be well 482 00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:40,180 The exact reason why jesus actually says I didn't come for the healthy. I came for the sick 483 00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:46,020 Right, you don't send a doctor to healthy people. You send a doctor to help six people sick people out 484 00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:49,700 So we have to understand we are good 485 00:37:50,260 --> 00:37:55,220 We are very good. We are designed to be good at the core. Our nature is actually good 486 00:37:56,020 --> 00:37:59,460 Mm-hmm. It's just fallen. Yeah, and good news 487 00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:02,180 Is that jesus has already taken care of that? 488 00:38:02,660 --> 00:38:07,860 Yeah, so and just add a little context what you just said we were created originally very good 489 00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:12,900 And we corrupted that nature. Yes, and jesus is the door that leads us back to an uncorrupted nature 490 00:38:13,220 --> 00:38:20,100 Yes, and just one little caveat on that that just because I feel like this can get missed sometimes 491 00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:23,300 Is the design of humanity hasn't changed? 492 00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:30,260 Correct because i've heard it interpreted that the design of humanity fundamentally changed when the fall happened 493 00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:34,100 I don't actually believe that we could have a more in-depth conversation 494 00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:39,540 I think the design of humanity has been the same. I don't think god's changed that I think we've had 495 00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:46,740 I think we took upon ourselves to say we're better than god and god has shown us over and over again that that doesn't work 496 00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:52,740 Well, and and and with that idea, um, I think people there i've very frequently hear, uh different teachers 497 00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:59,140 And they're all over the spectrum from conservative to uh, charismatic, uh pentacostal all over perspectives 498 00:38:59,140 --> 00:39:04,180 Talk about how uh, you know god in the new testament is about redemption and reconciliation 499 00:39:04,180 --> 00:39:08,980 But god of the old testament was fire and brimstone. I was like, I I feel like maybe you didn't read the old testament very well 500 00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:13,780 Mm-hmm. I was like or you didn't understand what jesus said when he said i'm the perfect representation of the father 501 00:39:13,780 --> 00:39:15,780 Like I represent the father perfectly 502 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:22,180 So if you think jesus was fire and brimstone, then maybe you could see the father in the old testament as fire and brimstone 503 00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:27,060 But if you see the nature of jesus as it was somebody who was willing to get down on the ground 504 00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:33,140 And work with people who took who at the height of his power was willing to put on the servant's cloak and wash feet 505 00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:39,860 Mm-hmm like this guy right who didn't also mind confronting people in their misunderstanding of torah and how they treated other people 506 00:39:39,860 --> 00:39:46,100 Mm-hmm, right didn't mind having a extended dialogue didn't mind confronting people directly in their garbage. Yeah 507 00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:48,260 but 508 00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:53,860 This is who god has always been and so I think when we say well jesus came to change everything 509 00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:57,380 I was like no jesus came to fulfill what god was always doing. Mm-hmm 510 00:39:57,940 --> 00:40:01,780 right what he was doing through the people of israel and jesus as a 511 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:04,500 jewish messiah 512 00:40:05,060 --> 00:40:07,620 Fulfills what god was always doing in israel. Yeah 513 00:40:08,260 --> 00:40:11,460 We have to understand that portion of the story, right? Yeah 514 00:40:12,340 --> 00:40:16,340 All right. We're gonna close with a very low ball. So you're welcome. Okay. I saw this one 515 00:40:16,340 --> 00:40:18,820 This one came up a couple of times. Yeah, okay 516 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:21,620 What about siris timothy too? 517 00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:23,620 Okay. Oh, yeah 518 00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:26,980 Yeah, you guys you're gonna love this. Yeah, you're gonna love this. All right 519 00:40:26,980 --> 00:40:31,540 And so some of the some of you are wondering you're like, okay. What are you talking about? Okay, so first timothy too 520 00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:36,900 They're specifically referencing verse 11. It says a woman should learn in quietness and full submission 521 00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:40,260 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man 522 00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:44,660 She must be quiet for adam was formed first then eve and adam was not the one deceived 523 00:40:44,660 --> 00:40:46,660 It was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner 524 00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:49,860 But woman will be saved through childbearing if she is not the one who was deceived 525 00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:56,420 But woman will be saved through childbearing if they continue in faith love holiness with propriety. All right, we have to talk context. Yeah 526 00:40:56,820 --> 00:41:01,060 We have to talk context. All right. So timothy was in ethesus. Yep 527 00:41:01,220 --> 00:41:01,700 Okay 528 00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:06,900 The temple of aphrodite was located or one of the prominent temples of aphrodite was located in ethesus 529 00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:12,020 and so what you actually had happening in the church of ethesus at the time is you had 530 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,020 priestess from the temple of aphrodite coming to know jesus and then they were trying to 531 00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:24,100 Take their role as priestess and establish that in the church. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they had no idea what they were talking about 532 00:41:24,820 --> 00:41:28,980 And so you have to understand that that's what they were either doing that or 533 00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:35,780 They were trying to usurp the authority of what god had actually brought in as teachers because they were women. Yes 534 00:41:35,780 --> 00:41:38,580 and so ethesus was actually a 535 00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:42,740 weird cultural place where you had these priests of aphrodite and they 536 00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:47,780 Actually held a lot of power and they would often usurp or abuse authority in general. Mm-hmm 537 00:41:47,780 --> 00:41:53,780 And so here you have paul actually saying hey don't do that in the church. Mm-hmm and the word that actually 538 00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:59,940 It's really really interesting. But the word that is actually used there for authority in that passage 539 00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:04,180 Is um, it's not used anywhere else in the new testament paul uses it one time 540 00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:11,460 Yeah in here in here. This is the one time paul uses that word and it's to usurp or undermine or abuse 541 00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:15,620 Authority like that's kind of the concept behind it and if you're wondering by the way, how do we know that? 542 00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:18,500 It's because you look at other texts written during that time that use that word 543 00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:26,660 Yeah, and that was the one time paul used that word. So you got to understand that too. And so here what's actually happening is 544 00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:30,260 First Timothy 2 and first timothy 3. I think they're 545 00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:36,420 I don't argue translation issues a lot, but I think there are some issues that need to be addressed there, but 546 00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:39,780 Here you have paul saying don't abuse 547 00:42:39,780 --> 00:42:47,380 Authority don't undermine authority. Don't let women don't let the women do this because that was what the culture promoted at the time 548 00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:54,020 Second thing you need to note on this is when you're reading the timothy letters in particular 549 00:42:54,420 --> 00:42:56,820 You are reading one side of a phone conversation 550 00:42:57,620 --> 00:43:02,740 Timothy is having some sort of dialogue with paul and paul is actually answering a lot of timothy's questions 551 00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:06,020 The problem is is we don't know timothy's questions, correct? 552 00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:09,540 So what we do is we'll take these books and we'll be like this is the gospel truth 553 00:43:09,860 --> 00:43:13,300 And i'll be like actually there's a lot of gray areas right here that we need to 554 00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:17,620 Look at because we don't actually know what timothy was writing about 555 00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:24,820 We can make some assumptions based on cultural statements, right? And and the other thing i would add to this 556 00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:31,460 Is the verses prior in first timothy 2 talks about men standing up 557 00:43:31,780 --> 00:43:33,780 Worshipping with raised hands 558 00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:41,540 So you have you have a two-way street here. You have you have something that's suppressing men's ability a man's ability to actually engage in worship 559 00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:47,300 And so and we don't fully know what that is because timothy is specifically writing to paul again 560 00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:51,780 But something suppressing man's thing and as part of that paul is saying women 561 00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:56,100 Tone it down a little bit. Yeah 562 00:43:56,580 --> 00:44:00,980 Yeah, so I was just thinking of it from my own background coming from a baptist 563 00:44:00,980 --> 00:44:04,740 And pentecostal background if we put them in the same room, i'm looking at the pentecostal said hey 564 00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:07,940 Why don't you calm down a little bit and baptist you need to move a little? 565 00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:10,580 right, right and 566 00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:15,700 As like now neither one of the expressions is wrong. They're just not necessarily helpful for unity 567 00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:22,500 Yeah, so uh, once again, we're gonna throw in bt roberts ordaining women. He actually does a pretty good section on that and 568 00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:25,220 So I want to talk specifically 569 00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:27,540 Three things that you need to focus on with this one 570 00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:33,300 Is that look at paul himself? Mm-hmm paul was frequently promoting and working with women 571 00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:39,460 In his ministry all throughout his letters phoebe roman 16 one priscilla and aquila, right? 572 00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:43,700 Priscilla being named first is a big deal lydia in philippi, right? 573 00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:50,500 And side note the letter that was written to the philippians was the only writer letter that did not have direct 574 00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:53,620 Correction. Mm-hmm. And and for all intents and purposes 575 00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:57,140 Seems like it was led by women. Yep. Yeah, just for what that's worth 576 00:44:57,780 --> 00:45:02,980 Um, so that you have to look into the character of like what does paul actually do and like frequently in his scriptures? 577 00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:06,180 He's gonna say there's neither junior or gentile slave nor free male nor female 578 00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:12,100 So he's trying to get away from these in justification of faith and serving also in the book of corinthians 579 00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:18,420 He's gonna talk about women and men prophesying. Well prophesying in in it would be very equivalent to how we would preach the word 580 00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:19,620 I love that 581 00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:24,340 When people pull first corinthians out and they're like, they're like, well, it also says here that women can't preach 582 00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:29,620 I was like no he actually says they can he just gives instructions for how to do it. Yeah, exactly 583 00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:34,420 So the implication would be that it's just like if you're there's instructions for women on how to prophesy 584 00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:41,380 The implication would be that they are prophesying. Yeah, and a good book on this is paul through mediterranean eyes by kenneth bailey 585 00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:44,180 I love me some kenneth bailey. He's just good man 586 00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:51,460 And so but then the second thing we want to look at here. Okay, so this word for assume authority is to usurp or abuse authority 587 00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:57,300 So what paul is instructing timothy is don't let women strictly because of their gender 588 00:45:57,940 --> 00:46:00,100 Supercede who god has placed in authority 589 00:46:00,980 --> 00:46:03,460 Simply because their gender is different than the person in authority 590 00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:09,940 Right now what's the problem with that is because now what we've used this verse where we've used this verse 591 00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:15,540 What's the problem with that is because now what we've used this verse where paul's saying don't do this 592 00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:23,380 We actually use this verse to do the exact same thing the other way where god has actually placed authority on a woman 593 00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:28,340 To preach and teach and we say well because of your gender 594 00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:32,820 You are disqualified from being able to do this guys. We're the opposite of ethos 595 00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:35,060 And that's wrong, too 596 00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:35,620 Yeah 597 00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:39,860 I've made this argument a few times and i've had somebody say well the verses right after that say 598 00:46:40,340 --> 00:46:43,460 Well, it wasn't adam that send but eve first 599 00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:47,620 And then so and then they and then they do this but adam was made first 600 00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:55,380 Um adam was made first and then eve. Well, yes, you are correct. Also it was man and women 601 00:46:56,980 --> 00:47:01,060 They were made in the image of god, right both man and woman 602 00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:04,020 Were made in the image of god 603 00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:06,020 Like there's that completion aspect 604 00:47:07,060 --> 00:47:09,060 This is a this is a ben theology 605 00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:12,500 So just accept that like if you disagree, i'm totally fine with that 606 00:47:13,060 --> 00:47:18,740 We still love you, but it does say that the woman bit and she gave some to her husband and he ate 607 00:47:19,540 --> 00:47:21,540 and then 608 00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:23,300 Their eyes were opened 609 00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:27,540 Yeah, so she didn't eat and her eyes were opened and then he ate and his eyes were opened she ate 610 00:47:27,540 --> 00:47:33,380 And then he ate and then their eyes were opened. I don't think it's an accident. God said it that way. No 611 00:47:34,180 --> 00:47:38,980 It's almost like he could see in the future where we're going to have debates about whether or not people were qualified that he put an authority 612 00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:40,580 Mm-hmm 613 00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:45,780 If you were actually like legitimately trying to follow god and not just trying to assume your own authority 614 00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:48,180 We want to have tons of grace with you as you struggle with this 615 00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:48,500 Yeah 616 00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:51,940 And if you disagree with us and you and your wife are like trying to follow this model 617 00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:55,380 We are fine with you disagreeing with us and trying to serve god to your utmost 618 00:47:55,380 --> 00:48:01,300 Yeah, this is a ben through this. He's like, yeah, it's a softball question. He knows I get fired up on this topic 619 00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:05,300 There's two two things that also have to be two other things 620 00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:10,420 I think just have to be addressed on this is one when you're talking about leadership in the church 621 00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:14,420 You need to know what the definition of a church leader or pastor is 622 00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:19,140 So what defines a church and what defines their leader? 623 00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:20,420 Right, right 624 00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:24,020 So if you're talking like an americanized context in your life 625 00:48:24,020 --> 00:48:27,220 Well senior pastor at a church who's on payroll? 626 00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:34,180 Foreign concept to israel foreign concept to israel foreign concept to most the world. Yeah when it comes to churches 627 00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:40,260 Honestly, any of our pastoral roles are completely foreign concepts to the middle eastern church. Yeah 628 00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:44,500 Yeah, so that that's one thing and then the other thing you need to define is what is preaching? 629 00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:47,700 Can we be real like if we're saying well women shouldn't preach well 630 00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:50,180 What what do you consider preaching? 631 00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:54,660 What do you consider preaching is is there a set number of people that have to be in the room for it to be considered? 632 00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:58,820 Preaching or if they are sharing the gospel with one person in the grocery store and they're preaching to them 633 00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:01,220 Are they not allowed to do that? 634 00:49:01,940 --> 00:49:02,900 Right 635 00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:05,460 Like you need to you need to define these things 636 00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:06,740 Yeah 637 00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:09,780 We actually will probably do a full episode on women in ministry 638 00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:13,620 Just because I think it's a it's important concept and and I want to stress our 639 00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:19,620 Our desire is going to be to talk about our perspective and how we understand the bible in context and how god is enabling people 640 00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:23,620 To live into this and not suppressing what god is doing in somebody else's life 641 00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:26,980 Yeah, right now one of the things I do think is really important to note 642 00:49:26,980 --> 00:49:31,700 Oh, by the way on that episode, we're hopefully going to get one of the pastors in town who we dearly love 643 00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:34,260 To come on the podcast with us 644 00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:37,540 Like we give her a really hard time because we we enjoy her so much 645 00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:40,980 we really want her to come on and be able to have a conversation about that because 646 00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:46,500 She has been doing some really good work for the kingdom and has received a ton of heat for it 647 00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:51,140 Mm-hmm. The thing is if you could see the fruit of what's coming from her ministry 648 00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:53,860 You'd have a real hard time saying that she doesn't belong there. Yeah 649 00:49:54,580 --> 00:49:56,580 You know, yeah 650 00:49:56,660 --> 00:50:01,060 But we want to we want to make sure that we're having this conversation like we're not trying to tell you what to believe 651 00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:04,100 We want you to think critically about why do you believe this? 652 00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:07,940 Yes, right. I don't think that having a belief is is bad 653 00:50:08,260 --> 00:50:12,260 But why do you have it and how does it function in the narrative as a whole? Yeah. Yeah 654 00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:17,700 All right. 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I don't actually have anything to follow it up with like 684 00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:22,420 I think you made coffee at the right point because we're starting to go lose it so good 685 00:52:23,460 --> 00:52:25,700 I have nothing to add. You have nothing to add to that 686 00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:31,780 But oh man, that's so funny