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Welcome to the love and context podcast engaging in unscripted conversations with your host Ben and Spencer

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Whether you're tuning in from your car your office your home or anywhere in between we are so happy to have you join us today

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Our mission is simple to explore the Bible through a powerful lens of love

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Together we'll uncover fresh insights and gain deeper understandings of how we can love God and love the people in our everyday lives

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So buckle up and join us on the spiritual journey as we discover timeless wisdom

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That is just as relevant today as it was thousands of years ago without further ado. Let's dive right in

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Welcome back once again to the love and context podcast. Just a reminder. I am Ben

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And I am Spencer and this conversation is relatively unscripted actually it's completely unscripted, but sometimes we have notes

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Yeah, sometimes we have a rough outline today. We have our Bible apps open

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Yeah, so it is gonna be one of those days where the ADHD of Spencer is on high alert. Let's go. Yeah, let's go

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You're gonna be like we were talking about loving your neighbor and then Spencer's talking about his dog

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And then next thing we know he's fishing and then he disappears for 20 minutes. Yeah, he's back

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Yep, it's gonna be just terribly on topic

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So this is pretty much the episode where we we're actually gonna close out Leviticus because next week is our Q&A episode

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Correct. And so I thought it was really important one of the one of the most quoted verses from Leviticus actually comes from Leviticus 19

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Mm-hmm, and it's the one that everybody just thinks of right off the top of their head, right?

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Leviticus 19. Yeah, I've never thought Leviticus off the top of my head

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That's okay. You remember just like a few episodes ago. I was like, I'm really excited

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We're gonna get into Leviticus and you're like said no one ever

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Pretty much. I actually think at this point

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especially because some of you have written us emails or talked to us and and I think people are actually coming around to like

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Leviticus is a way cooler book than they thought. Yeah, they are

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Yeah

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So the place that we're actually gonna be going to is in Leviticus 19 and believe it or not

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This is a place that's quoted by Jesus and it's one of his most famous quotes and it's something that's very important to the Christian existence

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Now in the book of Matthew Jesus having this conversation with a teacher of the law and he says what is the greatest command?

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And he says what have you heard?

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The guy says I love Lord God with all your heart soul mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself

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Now Jesus says all of the law and prophets hang on these commands. Yes, right now in rabbinic speak

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What he's saying is everything else in the Torah is interpreted through loving God and loving your neighbor

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Right. The first portion of that level or God with all your heart soul mind and strength is said in Torah in the book of Deuteronomy

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Which we're gonna be talking about it's quite a few weeks away

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But the other portion of it is what we're gonna talk about today the love your neighbor as yourself that actually shows up in Leviticus 19

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Yep

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So Jesus says the way that you're gonna interpret all of Torah is gonna happen through something in Deuteronomy

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and also something in Leviticus. Mm-hmm. I

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I think that we need to specify that this book is important. Yes. Yes it is

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And so with that in mind, I thought this is gonna be kind of fun

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I'm actually gonna read all of Leviticus 19 because we're gonna we're gonna narrow in on love your neighbor as yourself

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But I really want to talk about what's going on here

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Now starting in verse 1 Leviticus 19 says the Lord said to Moses

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Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them be holy because I the Lord your God am holy

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Okay, what does be holy mean?

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Set apart. Set apart. Different than everybody else. So right away the things that he's going to talk about

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Are gonna be things that make you different than everybody else

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side note in

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Matthew

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Sermon on the Mount when Jesus is talking about be perfect just as I am perfect. Mm-hmm

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Here's where he's getting it from right. It's a reference back to this idea of Levitical priesthood

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You're supposed to look different than everybody else. Yep. So with that in mind

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Let's keep going in here each of you must respect your mother and father and you must have reserved my Sabbath

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I am the Lord your God do not turn to the idols or make metal gods for yourselves. I'm the Lord your God

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Okay, both of those things we should see as things that are not common in their cultures around them. Yeah

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When you sacrifice a fellowship offering to the Lord sacrifice it in such a way that it will be accepted on your behalf

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It shall be eaten on the day you sacrifice it or the next on the next day anything left over until the third day must

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Be burned up if any of it is eaten on the third day

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It is I'm pure and will not be accepted whoever eats it will be held responsible because they have desecrated

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What is holy to the Lord?

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They must be cut off from their people when you reap of a harvest your land

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Do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest

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Do not go over your vineyard aside from the field

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Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick the grapes that have fallen leave them for the poor and the foreigner

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I am the Lord your God. Okay two things right here. First is when you bring a fellowship offering meant to bring

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Make sure that you actually do it the right way. Yes

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I remember when we had pastor Clint on we talked about inviting somebody to coffee table and then we don't have a chair for him

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Yeah, if you invite someone to coffee and you're like, oh by the way, I'm gonna sit at this whole table

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You can sit at the table across the room for me

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Yeah, is that person gonna come to coffee with you again or invite somebody who's a vegetarian and I serve bacon and steak

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Well, it's their fault. They're vegetarian

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My I say that my wife was vegetarian you can actually write to Spencer at love and context at gmail.com

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And tell him exactly what you think about that

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But yeah, if you invite someone who you know has dietary restrictions and you serve something that they cannot have

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Yeah, one lady that I work with she has some pretty strict dietary restrictions

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And so whenever we take turns cooking meals for each other when we meet and stuff like that

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So whenever we're cooking meals, I mindful right, right?

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You're thinking about the other person you're thinking about the purpose of the meal is actually who you're actually sharing it with

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Yes, so when you come to have a fellowship offering with God, mm-hmm. Make sure you know why you're there. Yeah, that's

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Good reason. Mm-hmm. It's almost like he's saying don't just go through the motions because that's something you should do. Mm-hmm

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And then the next one is about not cutting the ends of your fields

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Yeah, because there's always going to be poor among you and so you need to have a generous heart

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By the way, can we stop there and actually talk about that quote from Jesus? Mm-hmm

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So he says you will always have them poor among you. It's when they're they're talking about

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Oh, we could have sold that to feed the poor and all these different things and Jesus actually says

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But you're always had the poor among me, which you won't always have me

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Mm-hmm now people have taken that as you're always going to have the poor among you

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So your focus shouldn't be taking care of the poor but rather to service Jesus now. Yeah on a broad level. Yes

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But the heart of Jesus does it serve people? I

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Don't think you can say you serve or follow Jesus if you're not serving the poor amongst you

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The reason I say that is because it is all throughout

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Scripture you have here in Leviticus where he's talking about the margins in the field

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You can actually take that and this is might not be the direct application for it

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But you could actually take that say, okay

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Where are the margins in your life to where you can meet the needs of those around you?

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Oh, so you saying my discretionary income maybe isn't just for me. Maybe right? Maybe it's not just for you

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Maybe you need to I mean if we're gonna talk about a money standpoint

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I have some friends like what they do is they're like, all right, they they do their tithe to church

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But then they have an additional percent that they just set aside in their budget and they're like this is specifically for

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Blessing and helping those in our community because they're being intentional about this desire to reach on the outside

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Yeah to not cut the ends of their field now

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We are not Jews and so obviously like some of these things don't necessarily apply but in a very philosophical way

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They absolutely apply we should orient our lives in a way that we don't cut the outsides

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But we leave it to actually take care of those around us that are always among us now

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I quoted that thing from Jesus right? Did you know he's actually quoting Deuteronomy when he says that?

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Yeah, it's Deuteronomy 15 11. He says for the poor will never cease to be in the land

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Therefore now Jesus assuming that they know this right there

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Therefore I command you saying you shall freely open your hand to your brother to the needy and the poor in your land

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Mm-hmm. So what Jesus is not saying is that in honoring him you suddenly lose your obligation to take care of those around you

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Yeah, okay. This is all going to be important because this is all part of the same context

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We're coming into love your neighbor as yourself. So let's continue on in verse 11

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Do not steal do not lie do not deceive one another

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Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God

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I am the Lord do not defraud or rob your neighbor do not hold back the wages of a higher worker overnight

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Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind but fear your God

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I am the Lord do not pervert justice do not show partiality to the poor or

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Favoritism to the great but judge your neighbor fairly

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By the way, I love that sentence there do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great. Mm-hmm

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Like you can't cut it either way. No, we need to have justice for our neighbors. Mm-hmm. Do not go about spreading slander among your people

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Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am the Lord do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart

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Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt

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Do not seek revenge or bury grudge against anyone among your people

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Love your neighbor as yourself

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I am the Lord

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So let's stop there because there's I actually want to continue on because it actually continues on another context

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I think is really good. So there's a lot of instructions here about community living. Yeah

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I think it's really interesting that this goes under a heading at least in the NIV of various laws

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I think it's interesting like a lot of the translations and maybe send us an email or a comment about what your translation says at

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the top of 19 mine says various laws and I just think that's very interesting

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It's like we don't know how to classify this and the reality is this is like, how do you live in a community?

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Yeah, how do you actually flourish among people both God's people and people that are not part of God's people?

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Yeah, how do you actually look different than everybody else? Yeah

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Some of these ships are very familiar from our ten words

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Yeah, they do a lot of these things sound like common sense. Don't steal don't deceive don't cheat

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Don't swear falsely so on so forth a lot of these like okay

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This is sounds pretty common sense. You also need to understand the day and age that this was written in

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it was not written in a day and age where where the community of which they were a part of was vast and you could just kind of

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Shift friend groups or social groups, right if you needed to right it wasn't written in that day and age

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It was written in day and age where you are a part of a tribe of Israel some larger than others and so you

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Had to deal with the issues you had with other people and so it's saying how do you do this lovingly?

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And how do you do this in a way that builds each other up?

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Also, how do you do this in a way that you don't end up killing each other?

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And then the other portion of this is when we're talking about not cheating people making sure that you pay their wages all these different

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Things don't only sympathize with the poor or show partiality to the rich, right?

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Yeah, these are things by the way, you should hear that from James the book of James

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What's what's the temptation when you come from Egypt?

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Like this is your culture where might makes right and if you're rich and powerful you can basically do whatever you want

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Mm-hmm. This says no you can't

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But also just because you were a slave and you identify with that. It doesn't mean that the weaker party is always correct

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Yeah, it's a little bit of an ego check too

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Yeah, because you follow Israel story out of Egypt that they were freed from the most powerful nation in the world

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And then they went on with the help of God to defeat other tribes other nations going into the promised land

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Yeah, they've had a fight with the Amalekites at this point

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Yep, and they've had a few skirmishes, but they haven't had any real fights. Mm-hmm, but they're coming. Yeah, they are coming and

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It's gonna be really tempting when you're like, ah, man, we're awesome. We should just go and do this

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In fact, I think in numbers there's a conversation

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We're gonna have about where they they accept a false report and then God says, okay

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You're not going in the land and then they're like, oh no, we'll go now. He's like

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No, I already said you can't go now and they're like, oh no, we'll be fine. We'll go and we'll bear your name

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Well, you're bearing something you're just not bearing his name and we'll talk about that

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But yeah, who's whose banner you actually running with are you trusting in your might or in God's might?

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Do you trust in God's justice by the way going back to Genesis?

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Yeah, do you trust that God is not holding out on you or do you go out and try to take for yourself?

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yeah, these laws revolve around these same concepts and

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and so all the way down to the point where it says that you as

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Israelites need to make sure that you do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people

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But love your neighbor as yourself. Okay, I

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Know a lot of Christians who love to quote. I love your neighbor as yourself. Mm-hmm that bear a lot of grudges. Mm-hmm

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Well you back up a verse a little bit more it says do not nurse hatred in your heart for any of your relatives

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Then it says confront people directly so that you will not be held guilty in their sin, right?

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now I want to just pause here on this because I know a lot of believers who do nurse hatred

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towards fellow believers and what they'll do is they'll justify it as oh that person's not truly a follower of Jesus because

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They don't fully believe as I do or whatnot

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There's lots of different I've run into lots of different variations of this

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But they'll justify their hatred as oh, well, maybe they're not actually following Jesus

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We will have an episode where we talk about how we demonize each other. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, and then the second part of this confront people directly

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It doesn't say be a jerk. It also doesn't say talk to other people about that person

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Yes, if you have an issue with somebody go to them confront them about it

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You can be direct and loving at the same time one

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We want to go back to like even yes ago. We talked about Ephesians speaking truth and love

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Yeah, the idea is you have unity not uniformity

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Mm-hmm, and you're honorably pursuing God and in that pursuit

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When we have the best in mind for the person around us, then we can speak truth and love

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When I understand you I'm in community. I'm in fellowship with you. I can speak truth and love

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Yeah, you can't speak truth and love outside of that context. No, you can't. Yeah, that's good

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So this is about the middle of the chapter

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So let's just keep going on and it says love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord continuing on in 19

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Keep my decrees do not mate different kinds of animals

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Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material

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If a man sleeps with a female slave who is promised to another man

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But who has not been ransom or given her freedom there must be due punishment yet

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They are not to be put to death because she has not been freed

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The man however must bring a ram to the entrance to the tent of meeting for a guilt offering to the Lord

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With the ram or guilt offering the priest is to make atona for him because of the sin Lord for the sin

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He has committed and his sin will be forgiven

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When you enter the land and plant any kind of tree regardless regard its fruit as forbidden for three years

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You are to consider it forbidden for it

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It must not be eaten in the fourth year all of its fruit would be holy and offering a praise to the Lord

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But in the fifth year you may eat its fruit in this way your harvest will be increased. I am the Lord your God

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Okay, let's take a stop step back really quick and I am NOT avoiding the one about the ransom and the end of slavery

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I just think that that was going to require more context and we're gonna put in this episode

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So we're gonna pin that bring that up for a Q&A if you want that in the future. Okay, but what's going on here?

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He's saying there's don't make two different kinds of animals different kinds of field different kinds of fabrics

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Different people groups, right? You're not mixing now. Why because you're supposed to be different

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You're supposed to be set apart

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You're not intermingling one of the things that gets Israel in trouble over and over again

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Is they want to mingle a little bit of Phoenicia with a little bit of Egypt with a little bit of you know, and

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Not shockingly it ends up looking nothing like what God actually has for you. Mm-hmm

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You know eating a little bacon's not that bad. I'm a gentleman. Right? Yeah

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Get good old cup of bacon call out to the Baymaw podcast for that. Uh-huh. There's a very practical one

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But once again here is this whole thing with the fruit tree

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Like anybody who actually does these types of things knows that you don't need the fruit for the first couple years

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You actually have to let it grow and produce fruit year after year before you actually try to read from it

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Which by the way, if we judge a person as a tree and fruit sometimes in the first couple of years that fruit might not

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Ready. Mm-hmm. Yeah, give it time. Mm-hmm continue to you know, prune that tree work with it all those different things

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I think the tendency is we want to immediately diagnose a person rather than actually discipling them through a process. Yeah

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All right. So looking ahead here do not eat any meat with the blood still in it

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Okay, that should by the way make sense with our episode where we talked about the life being in the blood and you cast your

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Identity onto the animal right like why do you not eat blood? So they're just trying to reinstate what's going on here plus. Yeah

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Food with blood in it would make you real sick if you don't cook it, right? Mm-hmm

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Do not practice divinations or seek omens

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Do not cut the hair on the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard

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Do not cut your bodies for the dead or to put tattoo marks on yourself

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I am the Lord do not grade your daughter by making her a prostitute or the land will turn to prostitution be a little

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thick wickedness observe my Sabbath and have reverence for my sanctuary

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I am the Lord do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists spiritist assists

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That's a hard word for you will be defiled by them

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I am the Lord your God stand in the presence of the aged show respect for the elderly and revere your God

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Do not mistreat them the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native born love them as

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For you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God

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Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length weight or height or quality. Sorry. I

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Can read I promise use honest scales and honest weights an honest ifah and an honest hin

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I am the Lord your God who brought you out of Egypt keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them

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I'm Lord. Mm-hmm. Okay once again here. Why are we going into these things again, right?

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Because he wants them to be different than everything else around them, right?

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So when you're mentioning specific practices, I've seen this this this quote from Leviticus where people talk about the reason you shouldn't get tattoos

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The tattoos that they are getting our ritual worship

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For their gods in the Middle Eastern culture

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They are meant for for blessing for whatever you want to place on it. They were they were ritualistic things

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Yeah, it is not the same as when somebody wants to get a cross tattoo across their forearm to remind them of Christ saving their life

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Okay. Now you can be against tattoos and I'm totally fine with that. I actually have no tattoos

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Yeah, my wife has plenty. Yeah, I don't have any tattoos either

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Mostly because I'm like it just doesn't appeal to me to go have a needle stuck in my arm or leg

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For thousands of times to make a picture. Yeah

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I don't like getting pinched and so like you think about getting pinched like a couple thousand times like that

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Just doesn't sound pleasant right like it just doesn't sound like a fun thing to me. I know other people who love tattoos

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Mm-hmm, and they're wonderful people who follow Jesus. I

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Want one of my encouragements to you though is regardless of how you feel about it

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This is not probably mean what you think it does if you're trying to use it as a reason people shouldn't get tattoos

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Yeah, also along with they talk about not clipping their hair on the sides of your head or clipping off the edges of your beard

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Okay, once again these have to do with ritualistic things. You've got to understand the cultures that they're speaking into

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So a lot of these are don't do the things that they do for deity worship in the other areas

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Like even like placing your daughter as a prostitute. Mm-hmm, right?

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Like now, hopefully nobody listening to this is oh dang. I was gonna place my daughter as a prostitute

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Hopefully that's not the case. And if it is send us your your address, we're gonna call CPS on you because that is not okay

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These things that are going on here are regarding what is happening now outside of their culture

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Because they didn't necessarily have respect for the elderly

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They didn't care about the treat the foreigners among them really well, but God says you

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But now I need you to love the foreigner the people who are not part of your tribe

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And people who are not part of your family the people who are not part of your faith dynamic

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I need you to love them like they are. Mm-hmm for you

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Were once foreigners in Egypt and he is the Lord God who brought us out of the land of Egypt

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So we're going to love people even when they don't look the same talk the same come from the same place and definitely don't

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Do the same things as us? Yeah

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Absolutely, and when we are talking about loving people like putting that in a modern context

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Remember back to when you didn't know Jesus

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Who were you at that point in your life?

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Okay. Now, do you know people in your sphere who don't know Jesus who are acting the same way that you used to?

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Aren't you so thankful someone came alongside you and loved you for who you were at that time?

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Yeah, yeah doesn't mean that's who you are now, right? Let's be clear on that, but they loved you for who you were

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So now it's your turn to be like, okay. I'm gonna love those people for who they are and

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Watch Jesus do a transforming work in their lives

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So pastor Nick has this game that he plays where he takes a little portions of what we say

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Uh-huh, and he quotes it out of context because it's called love in context

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So he calls it out of love and out of context. Mm-hmm. And so he'll text us these sound bites periodically

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So this is probably one that's gonna get clipped. I should be so great. Do you realize that people's sin isn't actually the issue?

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Mm-hmm

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Okay, is the problem for somebody in today's world that they are a practicing adulterer

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Now that has problems hundred percent and that that kind of behavior leads to certain ramifications in your life

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Right hundred percent like they don't actually bring life, but is that the issue?

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No, it seems like that is a symptom of the issue

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Yeah, which is that we have a broken nature that happened in Eden. Mm-hmm

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When we said we don't trust you God, we're gonna define good and evil on our own terms

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And then from that point forward we actually had a broken nature that was incapable of receiving the grace of God

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Yeah, at least on a permanent basis. Mm-hmm

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God is like speaking into this and he's like I want to restore relationship more so relationship on restore relationship

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I want to restore relationship on wants to relationship finally

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Jesus bridging the gap and coming and taking all sin and all death and

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Fundamentally changing our nature by conquering them in the grave and by rising again

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And don't mishear us forgiveness of sins is crucial crucial

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It's it's crucial but it is the first step into restoration with relationship with relationship to God

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Yeah, the sins are forgiven then as we draw closer to God

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We become closer in relationship with him more tight knit with him

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Correct and the less those sin temptations those sin desires exist in our lives the more we lean into who God is

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Just because you're forgiven doesn't mean you're not gonna be tempted and doesn't mean you're not gonna slip up, right?

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Okay, so even if you look at narcotics anonymous or alcoholics anonymous or anything like that if someone slips up, it's not like oh

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Hey, you're done. You're out of the program

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That's not what it is. They have a process they go through. Okay, I don't I've never been a part of it

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So I don't know too much about it. I know the last episode I talked about a a now you're talking about NA people

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I'm like, yeah, right these guys. Yeah, that's true regardless

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Sins are forgiven that's the most that's the starting point to us being drawn closer to God and being restored in relationship with God, right?

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So what you talked about earlier in Leviticus God has always been capable of forgiving sense

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So that can't be the groundbreaking thing that Jesus actually comes to do Jesus actually comes to fundamentally change our nature to actually bring the kingdom

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Among us. Yeah, so that the kingdom of heaven is now something that we live into

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Now forgiveness of sins is a part of that our nature gets changed God forgives our sins and then he empowers us by the Holy Spirit

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To live differently. Yeah through the forgiveness of sins. We are redeemed empowered by the Holy Spirit

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Exactly. Exactly. You were probably like, oh, why are we being very specific with this?

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Well, because we sometimes I think we get bogged down in theological

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Terminology and we're like, oh no, it's always since and sin. I was like, yeah

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But if you don't actually have a change in nature

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Nothing changes. Mm-hmm. Then you're just coming back over and over again for forgiveness of sin and you never actually have power over it

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But that's not what God actually teaches us. No says that I empower you to be different. Yeah, and

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That's the transformative work of Christ in your life. Yeah, that your life is not actually it was one way

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Mm-hmm to quote from the chosen it was one way. Mm-hmm. And

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Now it's different. Yeah, and the only thing in between is him. Yep. Amen

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By the way, I'm gonna throw it out here. I think I've talked about it before I love the chosen

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Mm-hmm. I have talked about it. I I think that they do a fantastic job

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I know not everybody loves it because they're taking scripture and putting it on film and stuff. I love it

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I think that they've done it they're being trying to be as faithful as possible and encourage people in their faith

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Mm-hmm. So Dallas Jenkins if you're listening, we'd love to have you on the podcast

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So now coming back to this idea about the change in nature now

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So why is this important because loving other people doesn't mean condoning what they're doing

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Exactly. It also doesn't mean fixing what they're doing. Exactly

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It means actually introducing them the core them to the person of Jesus and allowing him to transform their life. Mm-hmm

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Now I think it's important that the love of the foreigner comes in the midst of all these things where they tell he tells the Israelites

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Don't do this. Don't do this. Don't do this. These are things that they do

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When they come into your area, you need to love them like you love your brothers and sisters. Yeah

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Right. So you're going to have to sit among them and be different. Yep

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Don't retreat back to your

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Churches, uh-huh your houses and never engage the culture. You're gonna be out and among people

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Live differently. You put a story on display and love them like you love your brothers and sisters. Amen

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That's hard. That's very hard

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It's a much more difficult thing than saying. Oh, I just I theoretically just love you

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but I'm just gonna not interact with you because I don't want to deal with the

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Yeah, and the reason that's hard is because this requires you to not hold grudges

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To not keep records of wrong Paul goes into this in 1st Corinthians 13

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Yeah, right. This patient loves patience kind no records of wrong so on so forth read it from the lens of like how incredibly difficult is this?

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It's almost like you would need divine help to do it. Yeah, right. There's things

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that people do that honestly just drive me nuts that I just am like

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Why would I want to be around that? He's talking about me. I am talking about Ben

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100% and and pastor Nick if he's listening, but there are things that people do that was just like man

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That is really hard to put up with anybody who is married knows what I'm talking about

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And if you are like and if you're married like oh, no, we don't have those issues

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You do there you just not admitting to him

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But anybody who's married knows what I'm talking about. Okay, there are things that my wife does that drives me nuts

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Okay, and there's things that I do that drive my wife nuts. There's things that we do that drive each other nuts

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Well, we make sure we would do not do is when something drives us nuts

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We're like you remember five years ago when you said this thing

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Or you did this or you did that or asked for this and you said no

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What we don't do is we don't hold grudges on that we still drive each other nuts sometimes

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But we work that out move on and do not hold grudges

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Yeah, I wanted I want to talk about the other end of that too

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Because I think if you have somebody where they're like, well, you said you forgave me and I was like

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Well, you also said you were gonna change your behavior and you're doing the exact same thing

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And so I'm not necessarily bringing up that the past because I was having this conversation

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With my spouse once and I said I'm not necessarily bringing up the past because I haven't forgiven you for the event

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What I'm saying is what you are doing now is very similar to this

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Which is something I thought we got past

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So that's good communication. Yeah, and that obviously that always involves a two-way street

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I was like but the reason I'm bringing up the past is not to attack but to to have a real conversation about like hey

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What am I feeling today?

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Yeah, my heart's not to take off my spouse every day

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Yeah, my heart's not to take off my spouse every day. Yeah, some days some days it depends on the day

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There's days. I'm better at it than other days

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But that's not my heart right? Yeah, and there are some habits are so ingrained in my life that I've been changing but they take time

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Yeah, in other words guys marriage is hard

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the way that we love our spouse want not the exact way but the way that we have unending compassion and and

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Will bear with people that we are married to or in our family. We need to have that kind of compassion for people who are outside

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Yeah, right now. I do think that it's it's important to know that just with your family like you set boundaries

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You set guidelines like you make sure that you're protecting your sanity protecting your your your ability to love God and love other people

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And so I think people will tend to want to violate those boundaries and it's okay to tell someone hey

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You violated some boundaries. So we need to take a step back. Mm-hmm

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Like clear communication like just taking a step back in a relationship with somebody is not necessarily

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Unloving yeah, it depends on why you do it. Mm-hmm

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Are you doing it because you want no relationship moving forward? Are you doing it so that you can reevaluate how to move forward?

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Um, yeah, that was so good. Yeah, I just think it's really important

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So my wife and I have been spending a lot of time like just with different

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Um books reading about boundaries and like how do you how do you interact with people?

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And one of the things that I realized is that um, I had a tendency to let people just run all run rampant all over my boundaries

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And I started

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Being very clear on what my boundaries are and when somebody ran up against it and they would say well

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I need you to do this. I said no

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And they're like, oh why not? I said it's a boundary

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And then they wanted further clarification if I have to explain to you why I have a boundary

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Then you're looking to argue with me about my boundary. Mm-hmm, right?

405
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It's okay to have boundaries that you just don't argue about

406
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It actually allowed me to have some really good conversations with people who tend to run right over boundaries

407
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Yeah, and I think our relationship is better since then. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Absolutely

408
00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:21,340
So tying this back when we're talking about marriage a lot

409
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Part of the reason for that is our marriages are supposed to be a image of the church's relationship with christ

410
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And so we need to understand some stuff there

411
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We need to understand that we as a church are called to love the foreigners and the outsiders in our community

412
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And what I'm referring to is anybody who is not in relationship with jesus

413
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Like we need to be loving those people

414
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To be loving those people we need to be loving those people well, that doesn't mean we're sacrificing on certain beliefs, right?

415
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But we can actually we can hold firm on beliefs and still be loving

416
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Yeah, exactly

417
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And I think I think we often miss this where we're like, oh we're holding strong to the truth and I was like

418
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Yeah, but if you're not loving you're not holding strong to the truth

419
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Yeah, and if you need a refresher on that we just talked about first john. I think it was two episodes ago. Yeah

420
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so if you're not loving your neighbor as well

421
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You're not actually holding to the truth

422
00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:29,180
The other thing is loving doesn't mean you're tolerant of every behavior. We've talked we just talked about that a little bit

423
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Yeah, I love my children and I don't tolerate every behavior that they have

424
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Yeah, I don't tolerate my daughter throwing a massive fit right before bedtime

425
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I still love my daughter

426
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When we are loving people we are trying to encourage people into a place where they're encountering jesus where jesus is doing

427
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Transformative work in our lives and they are becoming better people because of that

428
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,120
Do you think maybe part of what's going on is culture is conflating acceptance and tolerance is one word. Yeah

429
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Where's not no I can accept you as a person

430
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And as a person made in the image of god

431
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And still not tolerate certain behaviors. Yeah, I wanted to recommend a couple of different resources

432
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So not just our conversation, but just a couple of different people's conversations

433
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,960
So last week we recommended bob goff love does bob has a really good heart of how do you love people that are just completely?

434
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out of your wheelhouse, right

435
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,200
john townsend is a

436
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Believer who is also a psychologist, right?

437
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,360
And so he wrote a book called loving people how to love and be loved

438
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,440
Right, so that's gonna be a little bit more clinical approach and there's it's gonna be a little bit maybe different than you might be

439
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,200
Having encountered that before there's a book called keep your love on by a guy by the name of danny silk

440
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:45,360
And he also comes from a therapeutic background. Mm-hmm and just talking about how do you love people in the middle of?

441
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,800
Not necessarily always liking them. Mm-hmm. Like how do you keep your love on?

442
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,440
Regardless of what happens in a relationship

443
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,520
All great resources and they're gonna be very diverse backgrounds in their theological beliefs

444
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,160
So read all three and if you don't like one just move on to the next one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah

445
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:09,440
I guarantee you're not gonna agree with everyone. Yeah, especially everyone on this podcast. Mm-hmm. Yeah, this is

446
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Leviticus 19 it kind of falls in the middle of the vitticus

447
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,520
So why do you end the look at Leviticus with something in the middle?

448
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:17,680
Chiasm. Yep

449
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:23,280
Chiasm is once again like in the middle of this book and you can even hear it as it repeats itself

450
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Love your neighbor as yourself and then love the foreigner as you love your neighbor

451
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,480
This whole book is about how do you interact with people?

452
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:36,560
And put the story of God on display because once again the book of Leviticus is about God instructing his people

453
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,960
His kingdom of priests how to be priests

454
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,740
Yeah, and put it on display for the entire world how to become a more healthy ethical functioning society

455
00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:48,380
That's gonna flourish in the desert. Yeah, so good

456
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:55,520
That is what you should be taking away from this book. Yeah, it's not where the nitpicky laws that were very hard to follow

457
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,240
It's actually how do we love our neighbors? Well, how do we love the foreigner?

458
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,640
Well, yeah, how do we put God's story on display?

459
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Because if it because if you read this story from any other context but that you're gonna come away with some really weird ideas

460
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,840
Yeah, very weird ideas

461
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,600
So I think that's probably gonna be good

462
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,720
I think that's a good short episode to kind of wrap us up here

463
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,720
Once again, if you want to reach us we have love and context at gmail.com

464
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:23,440
That's where you can write if you're a vegetarian you can write to spencer there and tell him about how offended you were

465
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:31,360
I'll send you a package of bacon. Yeah, you can also follow us on facebook at love and context instagram at love and context and

466
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:39,120
Tick-tock we are I think love and context podcast. Okay. Yeah, because we had issues with the username or something like that

467
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,760
Additionally, we also do have a youtube channel if you guys can subscribe to that that actually helps our

468
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,080
Viewership and they're getting pushed out to more people. Yeah, but you can listen to us on apple spotify amazon

469
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:56,080
On youtube and just about everywhere that you can imagine. Yep, pretty much everywhere. You can find us at this point

470
00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:01,600
Even though next week's episode is a q a we have found that we need to request q a questions well in advance

471
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So probably at the end of torah, we're gonna do another q a episode

472
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So that's gonna be probably in there 14 15 weeks away from now

473
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But go ahead and just start launching those questions and let us know what you guys think

474
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otherwise

475
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until next time

476
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That's a wrap for today's episode. We want to extend a heartfelt

477
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Thank you for tuning in and spending your valuable time with us

478
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We hope that you found today's conversation insightful and that you take something meaningful from it

479
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If you have questions or comments

480
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481
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482
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483
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484
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:05,120
About Jesus. I do want to point out though that you did wait until we started to record before you

485
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:07,720
Been into that spicy chicken

486
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:12,440
It's actually not a spicy chicken sandwich. He just has a spicy chicken here running around that he bought into his life

487
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,980
Leviticus 19 let's go. Let's go

488
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,200
Kiss our home and wait, that's the oh Canada never mind

489
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,580
Pidicases our home. Yeah, I guess apparently okay. Okay, it talks about how we should behave at home

490
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Love you neighbor as yourself end of episode. I'm sorry

