1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,960 Hi everybody and welcome back to Airway First, a podcast from the Children's Airway First Foundation. 2 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,800 I'm your host, Rebecca Boschma. 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,120 In today's episode, I'll be speaking with Dr. Stephen Hall. 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:24,300 Dr. Hall is an integrated physician, teacher, speaker, and author of the book, The Seven 5 00:00:24,300 --> 00:00:25,700 Tools of Healing. 6 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:30,320 His message is about finding and changing the patterns that are creating painful feelings, 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,960 harmful behaviors, dysfunctional relationships, and physical diseases within all of us. 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:40,080 Dr. Hall began his medical career in 1985 as a residency-trained and board-certified 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,520 family practitioner. 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,240 His practice has been shaped by his own personal journey to answer two questions. 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,960 What is healing and how can I best help you with yours? 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,360 We're also proud and honored to call Dr. Hall one of the advisory board members for the 13 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,840 Children's Airway First Foundation. 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,240 And now, let's jump into my interview with Dr. Stephen Hall. 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,240 All right. 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,080 Thanks so much for joining us on the podcast. 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,560 I really appreciate it. 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,360 I'm very happy to be here. 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:08,360 Great. 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:09,360 Thank you so much. 21 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:15,880 I'd like to start with, because I'd like to go through your full journey of becoming 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,480 a doctor and to kind of where you are now with your practice. 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:26,480 One of the things that you have said should also view you as a whole, fully integrated, 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:32,760 multi-dimensional being, and make good use of the best concepts and treatments from all 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,360 valid medical traditions. 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:41,320 The reason out of everything that I've read of you so far, that that really struck me, 27 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:45,440 along with a lot of people that listened to this podcast, I have a chronic illness that 28 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,440 no one seems to be able to fix. 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,720 And I understand when people come in and they look at your symptoms, and that's how they 30 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,000 want to just, let's just fix this thing right here. 31 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,400 You were one of the first doctors that I've ever heard actually say, no, it's holistic. 32 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,640 It's really holistic. 33 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,080 Let's tackle it from a different perspective. 34 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:11,480 So talk to me a little bit about how you came to that way of thinking and working in your 35 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,200 practice. 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:19,760 I remember starting to want to be a doctor when I was in sixth grade. 37 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:25,080 And then it turns out when I got into junior high, I started taking science classes that 38 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,360 I enjoyed it. 39 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,840 I really liked science and the way of thinking. 40 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:39,320 So as an undergraduate, I really thought it was important to teach myself how to problem 41 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,520 solve and how to really think. 42 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:51,160 And so I really liked engineering that turns out because engineering basically is problem 43 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,520 solving. 44 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,240 So I have an undergraduate degree in material science and engineering. 45 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:03,040 And back then we were working on the Jarvik heart and artificial blood vessels, artificial 46 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,040 tendons. 47 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,640 And I was kind of working on how to make these things more bio-compatible. 48 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:12,000 That was my undergraduate research. 49 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,680 And I was also able to double major in chemistry at the time because some of the classes overlapped 50 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,960 and then have a minor in physics. 51 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:27,240 So pretty science oriented. 52 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:33,520 And but luckily my summer job was I was a white, white river guide on the green and the Colorado 53 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,480 rivers. 54 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,920 And so I spent the summers basically taking people down through these incredibly beautiful 55 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,400 canyons and sitting around the campfire at night talking with them. 56 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:51,840 And we got into philosophy and I really got started getting interested in humans and how 57 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,080 they work, which I think is helpful if you're going to be a doctor, right? 58 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,080 Right. 59 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:03,040 And I was also not just interested in the content of science. 60 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,200 I was very interested in the process of science. 61 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:14,040 How do we actually know that what we think we know is true? 62 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,200 And it turns out that's a difficult question to answer. 63 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,600 And philosophers have been working on that for over 300 years. 64 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:30,000 So one of the important parts of science, a very important aspect of science is the data. 65 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,040 And the data is pretty much primary. 66 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,480 And then the models are basically designed to try to explain the data. 67 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,680 Okay. 68 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:43,280 And so one of the most unscientific things a scientist can do is discard data just because 69 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:48,160 it doesn't fit the model, the current model. 70 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:54,520 So once I realized that, hey, everything in your life exerts some kind of influence on 71 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,800 your health, right? 72 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:57,800 Right. 73 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,800 Which is something else that you said, which was amazing, which was try to think of one 74 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,560 thing in your life that has absolutely no influence upon your health. 75 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,760 Yeah, good luck. 76 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,280 And I'll tell you, yeah, when I read your book, I'm not kidding you. 77 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:11,280 I paused. 78 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:12,280 I thought I can do this. 79 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:15,040 Yeah, I still haven't come up with an answer yet. 80 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,040 Right. 81 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,560 I just, I mean, even the boulder sitting out in the field is leaching minerals into the 82 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,960 soil that's feeding the plants that's making the oxygen that you're breathing. 83 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:29,880 I mean, we're all, yeah, we're all interconnected on this planet. 84 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,840 And so it just made sense to me that we would have a system of medicine that can take your 85 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:38,960 entire life into account. 86 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,880 And when I looked at the medical model that I was being taught in medical school and realized 87 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:51,200 this doesn't account for quite a lot of human experience, you know, the medical model basically 88 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,680 sees you as a skin bag of biochemical reactions. 89 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,360 And the assumption is if we just knew what those biochemical reactions were, then we 90 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,840 could pour in other chemicals and you could be the person you wanted to be. 91 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:04,840 You could control them. 92 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:05,840 Yeah. 93 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:06,840 You could control it. 94 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:11,280 Well, right there, that violates the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. 95 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:13,680 Can never know the initial conditions exactly. 96 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:14,680 Right. 97 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:15,680 Right. 98 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:23,680 And it's astonishing how like, you know, you know, the quantum world view and eastern 99 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:29,200 traditional world views are alike in so many points. 100 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,560 And it's been a big curiosity over the years. 101 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:38,080 Like how could this quantum explanation that only worked, you know, it's only really needed 102 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,800 on very, very small scales like atoms and electrons and things. 103 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,880 But yet it applies to us as humans and we're big. 104 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:56,960 But so anyway, I was, I was, wanted to be a family practitioner because I kind of like 105 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,560 being a jack of all trades. 106 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Okay. 107 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:06,560 And I like being able to see a person as a whole person and be able to take their whole 108 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:07,760 life into account. 109 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:13,000 So, so I was, you know, I didn't think all these things at once. 110 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,560 Obviously, this is an illusion. 111 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,560 Obviously, yeah. 112 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,560 Right. 113 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,160 And then I was a third year resident. 114 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,840 So I was in my seventh year of medical training and I just finished my afternoon in the clinic 115 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,760 and I was walking back to the residence room to dictate my notes. 116 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,760 And I was just thinking about the patients I'd seen that afternoon and, and asked myself 117 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,800 the question, well, what prompted them to actually, you know, pick up the phone, make 118 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,200 an appointment and come in. 119 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,200 But what are they really looking for? 120 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,720 And I thought about, you know, the person with hypertension and the person with diabetes 121 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,760 and, and, and then I thought, well, what if they're really looking for healing? 122 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:57,480 And I stopped in my tracks because here I was in my seventh year of medical training 123 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,840 and I didn't know what healing was. 124 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,840 I know. 125 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,320 I, that, that's still, you know, yeah. 126 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:12,560 And because for one thing, medicine likes to be a scientific endeavor, right? 127 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,280 And in science, we always define our terms so we have a precise language so that we 128 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,960 all know what we're talking about when we talk to each other. 129 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:20,960 Which makes sense. 130 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:21,960 Yeah. 131 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:27,200 So how could there be this multi-billion dollar science based healthcare industry with no 132 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,880 concept of health? 133 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:29,880 No true definition. 134 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Right. 135 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:31,880 No true definition. 136 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,400 So I thought, well, I got to remediate that problem. 137 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,360 So I started searching for a definition of health or healing. 138 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,320 And seven years later, I started to get an appreciation for why nobody did it. 139 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,320 Nobody is that one. 140 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,320 Right? 141 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:53,080 So, but what I noticed in that time was that even though I didn't have a precise definition, 142 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:59,080 and I'd gone through several by that time, they were like one, there, there was a back 143 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,920 in that day, there was an organization called the American Holistic Medical Association. 144 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:10,200 And their definition of healing was balance in harmony with the cosmos. 145 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,120 And I thought, well, that sounds pretty good, but how do you do that in the exam room? 146 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,120 Yeah. 147 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,160 I mean, that's kind of like, okay, Mrs. Smith, today we're going to put you in balance in 148 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,480 harmony with the cosmos. 149 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,680 But what I realized later, yeah, exactly. 150 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:27,400 And what I realized later is, no, that's actually the effect of healing. 151 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,640 That's not what healing is. 152 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,560 That's a result of healing that you come into that balance. 153 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:33,560 Right. 154 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:39,320 And as we're going, I want to make sure people know that we're getting the point that I can 155 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,720 already tell, I'm going to start referencing this, your, this is your book. 156 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,840 I'll have it on the website, as well as in the notes from our podcast, the seven tools 157 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:48,840 of healing. 158 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,840 Because I know we're going to be referencing this quite a bit as we go. 159 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,680 And I want people to be able to, oh, what did they say? 160 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:57,360 Where did they say, let me go pull that in. 161 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:58,360 Yeah. 162 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,520 So, very quickly, I know we need to keep going is that even though I didn't know that 163 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,840 I didn't have a definition of healing, I could kind of recognize it when one of my patients 164 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:08,840 experienced it. 165 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,840 When you saw it. 166 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:10,840 Yeah. 167 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,920 And so I asked myself the question, okay, so by that time I knew healing was more than 168 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,040 just how your physical body functioned. 169 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Obviously, you needed mental health too, and you needed healthy relationships and all kinds 170 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,040 of things, right? 171 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,160 Healthy sleep, all kinds of things. 172 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:36,480 So I got to thinking, well, so if, if somebody has symptoms, that's a clue that they need 173 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,480 healing. 174 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,280 And the resolution of the symptoms is a clue. 175 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:42,280 The healing has happened. 176 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,880 It's not the actual healing itself. 177 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,520 So the symptoms that clue and when the symptom goes away, that's a clue that it has happened. 178 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,160 So I started looking at my patient, well, what else happened to them then besides the 179 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,840 resolution of their symptoms? 180 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,400 And what I saw was that they had learned something. 181 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:08,480 And what they had learned almost inevitably had deepened their understanding of themselves. 182 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:13,400 It had given them a deeper perspective of who they were and it, it helped them be more 183 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,640 in their power and along those lines, right? 184 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,040 And so I asked myself the question, well, what if that learning about who they are is 185 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,720 the actual healing? 186 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,160 And again, that might just be a side effect of the healing. 187 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:35,560 But what that did was that got me focusing on, well, I want to, when I'm treating a person, 188 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:40,520 I want the net result to be that they also deepen their understanding of themselves, 189 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,240 not just have the symptom go away. 190 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,240 Right. 191 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:51,320 And so I started looking for therapies that both, you know, helped a person find the imbalance 192 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:57,520 that's being expressed as a symptom and correct in the imbalance, but at the same time learning 193 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:58,520 about themselves. 194 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:04,320 So that's, that's basically what I've been trying to do for the last 37, 38 years now 195 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,320 at this point. 196 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,680 And would it be wrong to classify it as, and again, this is my takeaway having read this, 197 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:12,200 you're treating the person. 198 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,200 Right. 199 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,200 That's what you do. 200 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,360 Not the same, you're actually treating the person. 201 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,360 Yeah. 202 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:24,920 And we often, and medicine has a lot of really powerful tools that they're very handy. 203 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:31,520 And so we do use them to treat symptoms when necessary, but I don't generally just stop 204 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:32,520 there. 205 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,600 I'll say, okay, you have your blood pressure is high, we can give you medicine to lower 206 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,680 your blood pressure, but your high blood pressure is not the cause of your high blood pressure. 207 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:43,680 Right. 208 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,000 Let's dig deeper and figure out what's causing it. 209 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,520 Your high blood sugar is not the cause of your high blood sugar or whatever, right? 210 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:56,200 So your arthritis isn't the cause. 211 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:03,360 So basically almost anything that somebody comes in with, there's something causing it. 212 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:10,880 And in my mind, so like for example, a chronic disease is basically chronic because it resists 213 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,800 our attempts to treat it and make it go away. 214 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:14,800 Right. 215 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:15,800 Right. 216 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,320 And if you, you know, the NIH, the National Institute of Health does these surveys every 217 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,600 once in a while and the percentage of Americans living with chronic disease is just going 218 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,000 up and up and up. 219 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Yes. 220 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Yeah, staggering. 221 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,880 It's like, I think it was 54% less study I saw. 222 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,520 And half of those folks are living with more than one chronic disease at a time. 223 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,520 Right. 224 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:43,280 So this progression is happening on conventional medicines watch. 225 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:48,000 So it turns out conventional medicine is great if you need your appendix out. 226 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Right. 227 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Right. 228 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,200 But it's not very good at dealing with these chronic diseases. 229 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,400 And so the thing that's helped more of my patients, more than anything I've learned in 230 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:03,520 medical school is this ability to get, help them listen to, okay, what is my body trying 231 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:08,200 to say by generating this constellation of symptoms? 232 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:16,200 And can I really find the real imbalance and, and get that imbalance aligned, get it corrected. 233 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,280 Get back in check. 234 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,680 And over the years, I kept trying to, you know, peeling down through the layers thinking, 235 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:23,680 oh, this is the root. 236 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:24,680 This is the root. 237 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,880 And every time I would think this is the root, then I'd find, no, there's something behind 238 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,480 that too. 239 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,920 And then the person would come in with something else when we find that something behind that 240 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:34,920 too. 241 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,560 And so luckily I've had a pretty stable practice. 242 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,320 I've been able to follow. 243 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,160 I've got some patients I've been seeing for over 20 years. 244 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,120 And so I've really been able to see their life evolve. 245 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,840 And you know, a lot of doctors, I think can't see these patterns because they don't see 246 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,840 the same person very often. 247 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,200 A lot, you know, because doctors move around, people's insurance change, they have to change 248 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,200 doctors. 249 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,600 Or if you're chronic, you just get tired. 250 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,160 You get tired of going. 251 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,160 And go somewhere else. 252 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,160 Yeah. 253 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,720 And in general, yeah. 254 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:16,880 So the, but being able to see these, you know, follow these people for a long term and has 255 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:22,320 helped me help me really keep peeling back through the layers until we got to the roots. 256 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:27,720 And I know this might sound a little outrageous, but the root of almost everything I've, in 257 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:33,720 my opinion now, after watching all this is actually how consciousness is getting expressed. 258 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,720 Really? 259 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,840 So what do you mean about that? 260 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:45,320 Well, I think that there's a, I mean, there's a consciousness behind all of creation. 261 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,800 Okay. 262 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:54,720 And you might call that God, you might call it Purusha or, you know, one can talk. 263 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,480 I mean, there's lots of names for it, right? 264 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:04,720 So, so you might, and everything in physical, in the physical manifestation like this clip 265 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:12,080 here, this microphone and this computer, they're all expressing aspects of that consciousness, 266 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,280 including your disease processes. 267 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:22,000 And so there's basically, I mean, the consciousness that we have access to is essentially unlimited. 268 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,200 But how many people do you know are living an infinite life? 269 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,200 Right. 270 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:33,160 And so some things limiting our access to that consciousness and some things determining 271 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:39,280 what aspects that consciousness kind of come through and become our life. 272 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,360 And so I call those determinants of conscious expression. 273 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,160 And there's lots of them, like your genetics are determinant of consciousness expression, 274 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,160 right? 275 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,160 Sure. 276 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,160 Sure. 277 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,400 And, and, but the, the determinants that we have the most say over that we can actually 278 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,960 maybe control are your beliefs. 279 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:05,040 So your beliefs basically determine what becomes your life. 280 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:10,640 And that's why Gertz has said, man is as he believes, as he believes so he is. 281 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:11,640 Right. 282 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:12,640 Right. 283 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,760 And Henry Ford said, if you think you can, you can. 284 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,040 If you think you can't, you're right. 285 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,040 You're right. 286 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,040 Exactly. 287 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,640 So there's all these things. 288 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:20,640 Yeah. 289 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,560 All these quotes and sayings about how important beliefs are, right? 290 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:31,440 And so I would say, I mean, not always, but majority of the limiting beliefs that are holding 291 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:38,400 people back in their lives and creating these imbalances are generally belief imbalances 292 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,880 where they're holding some kind of belief that says they're smaller than they really 293 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:42,880 are. 294 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:43,880 Right. 295 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:44,880 Right. 296 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:45,880 And the assumption is. 297 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,640 Oh, no, go ahead. 298 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,560 I was just going to say, I mean, think about how many of us go through our everyday lives 299 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,560 like that. 300 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:52,560 Oh, exactly. 301 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:53,560 And you just don't think about it. 302 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,280 It just it's it's somewhere along the lines. 303 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,960 You decided you couldn't do something or you weren't as good as somebody for that or you 304 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:02,480 could only go this far. 305 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,480 And it stuck. 306 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,480 Yeah. 307 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,480 Yeah. 308 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,040 And studies have shown that most of the major beliefs that make up our worldview are in 309 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,080 place in our psyche by the time we're seven years old. 310 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,040 And so how many of those beliefs are we going to consciously know about? 311 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,040 Right. 312 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Right. 313 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,040 You just carry them with you. 314 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,040 Yeah. 315 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,040 And so they're back here in unconscious. 316 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,480 And now unconscious. 317 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:30,400 Working away and how we see the results feeding out which we can we interpret as reality. 318 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,400 Right. 319 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,600 And so this the practice, the way that you come at things, you call it and it's integral 320 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,040 medicine methodologies. 321 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,040 Right. 322 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,040 Right. 323 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:46,320 And one of the things that I know that you practice is it's cranial sacred, but you it's 324 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,160 actually mentioned at some point in the book is cranial osteopathy. 325 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,920 Am I slaughtering that? 326 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:53,920 No. 327 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:54,920 No. 328 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:55,920 I said it correctly. 329 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:56,920 Yeah. 330 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:57,920 Exactly. 331 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:58,920 What is this? 332 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,160 And what is cranial sacred work? 333 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,080 And how does this factor in? 334 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,920 So I did my residency in Saginaw, Michigan. 335 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,920 So I just up the state. 336 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,920 Just a little bit up here. 337 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,920 Right there. 338 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:13,920 Exactly. 339 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:14,920 Yeah. 340 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,920 Exactly. 341 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:25,080 And it turns out that down in Flint or Lantz, sorry, East Lansing, there's a medical school 342 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,280 where osteopathy and MD share a medical school. 343 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,280 Okay. 344 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,440 And they even take classes together the first two years of their training. 345 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:41,200 And so they offer a 40 hour basic manual medicine course twice a year, I think. 346 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:47,200 And so I use some of my conference time in my residency to just go down there and take 347 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,800 their course in basic manual medicine. 348 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,200 Okay. 349 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,720 And that taught me a whole different way to think about the body. 350 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,280 And I like working with my hands. 351 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:09,400 So I came back to residency and started applying the osteopathic manipulations and getting really 352 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,800 good results. 353 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,400 But I just had a very basic rudimentary understanding of it. 354 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,720 But I was able to diagnose things that I couldn't treat. 355 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,120 So I went to the residency director and explained the situation. 356 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:28,920 I said, oh, I took this class and now I can diagnose these things, but I can't treat them. 357 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:34,400 Is it okay with you if I refer clinic patients to chiropractors? 358 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,120 This was back in the 70s, right? 359 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:38,120 Right. 360 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:40,200 In the early 80s. 361 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,440 And he said, well, you know, you're liable for your referrals. 362 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,120 So if you get to know them and trust them, I'll back you up on that. 363 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:49,600 He was a great programmer. 364 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,600 Yeah. 365 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,600 Yeah. 366 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,600 No kidding. 367 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:53,880 Dr. Kelly, yeah, very open-minded. 368 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,200 And so I started calling, get out the phone book. 369 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,120 This was before the internet. 370 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:01,840 And got out the phone book and started calling chiropractors and said, hey, can I meet you 371 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,840 for lunch? 372 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,280 And you just hear their jaw hit the ground on the other side of the phone. 373 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,280 Right. 374 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:12,240 But that was my first foray out of conventional medicine. 375 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,440 But what I found was a whole group of practitioners who were highly trained and caring about their 376 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,240 client, their patients and knew it, most of them knew what they were doing. 377 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:28,640 And so I started referring people and seeing how it worked for them and when it didn't work 378 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,600 and when it did and just learning that way. 379 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,080 So that sort of set the stage. 380 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,800 And then I did my only, my first practice, I went to a small town in rural Maine and 381 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,720 was the only doctor in a small town up there about two hours north of Portland. 382 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:52,480 And again, I took some time to go down to Boston and I took a course in clinical hypnosis. 383 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,600 And that taught me a whole different way of thinking about the mind. 384 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,600 I bet. 385 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,600 Wow. 386 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,400 Because in residency, I was very interested in psychology too. 387 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,600 So I act, the residency actually had a psychologist on staff and most of the residents ignored her 388 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,600 all the time. 389 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,760 So I had had plenty of time to sit and chat with her. 390 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,760 Dr. Yeah. 391 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,760 Pick her brains. 392 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,760 Yeah. 393 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,480 So I was really interested in that. 394 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,800 And so I didn't learn cranial work till later, like seven or eight years later. 395 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,800 Actually it was 91. 396 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,760 I started studying the cranial work, which is a subspecialty of osteopathy. 397 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:25,760 Okay. 398 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,520 And, but then it's very gentle. 399 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,920 There's no popping or cracking. 400 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:37,600 And it turns out the body elaborates these three subtle rhythms and by, you can palpate 401 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,760 those rhythms with your hands. 402 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:45,960 And when you can feel where they're stuck or asymmetrical or out of balance and there's 403 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:54,480 therapeutic techniques, you learn to sort of encourage the, the rhythms back into balance. 404 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,560 And then that frees up the body's own innate healing capacity. 405 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:03,520 So between the, the cranial work and then really doing. 406 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Well, what I found, what I noticed was when I started doing cranial work on people, they 407 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,360 would sort of automatically go into a hypnotic state. 408 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,360 Oh wow. 409 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:17,080 So I didn't even have to do an induction or anything. 410 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:22,200 And, and so what I would do is I just ask people, okay, I'm listening to these rhythms 411 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,200 while I'm working on you. 412 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:30,040 I ask you to listen to your body from your side and, and then the way I learned to do 413 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,880 hypnosis was very allopathic where we were just taught all these post-hypnotic suggestions 414 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,880 to leave people with. 415 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,880 And, and again, it's very symptom oriented. 416 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:43,280 It didn't get to the root, but, but there's another form of hypnosis kind of called Ericsonian 417 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:50,000 hypnosis where you literally can go into the unconscious mind like on a safari or I think 418 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000 of like a fact finding mission, you know? 419 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,000 Oh wow. 420 00:23:53,000 --> 00:24:01,840 And, and since the unconscious runs your body by combining the body work really allows a 421 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:07,200 person to kind of raises a curtain between the conscious and the unconscious and they 422 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:13,880 can actually get really good information from their body and, and basically understand 423 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,800 the body language the body is using. 424 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:24,800 And so over time of doing this and, and I noticed that everybody I worked with had this 425 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,080 deep inner wisdom that was running their body. 426 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,080 So you don't have to think about your potassium levels or your sodium levels or, right? 427 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,080 Right. 428 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,800 And your body, your body just takes care of that stuff. 429 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,520 And so people that were able to connect with that could ask, okay, well, what should I 430 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,080 do to solve this problem in my life? 431 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,080 What'll help me with my sleep? 432 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,080 What'll help me with all these allergic reactions I'm getting now? 433 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:55,080 What would help me with whatever problem that my headaches or whatever, you know? 434 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,600 And then if they got really still and could listen and answer. 435 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,600 They would get the answer. 436 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,600 Yeah. 437 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,600 Wow. 438 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,600 Yeah. 439 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:11,040 And over time I noticed that there was a pattern to how this inner wisdom helped people and 440 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,560 that's what the seven tools are. 441 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,560 Yeah. 442 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,800 It was basically that, that pattern. 443 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,800 That pattern. 444 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,080 And I had a whole string of patients that really couldn't listen to their inner, they 445 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,120 couldn't connect with that inner knower part. 446 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:26,400 And so I taught them the seven tools and they went home and practiced them. 447 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,360 And after a few months of practicing them, they were then better able to connect with 448 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:31,360 that inner knowing. 449 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:36,200 Do you think that from your experience, pretty much everybody can get there even though it 450 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,360 takes a little time? 451 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:38,360 Yeah. 452 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,680 I think it's possible. 453 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:46,480 I do believe there are certain worldviews that block it and as long as you're holding 454 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,760 onto those worldviews, it's going to be challenging and maybe blocked. 455 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:59,000 I mean, for example, I've never seen anybody heal and remain a victim at the same time. 456 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,440 So a victim mentality is a very, it's a hard block. 457 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,600 Right. 458 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,960 And what I say is being victimized is a universal human experience. 459 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,680 And we've all had things happen to us that we, right? 460 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,200 But being a victim is a way of seeing yourself. 461 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,960 And that's what holds you back. 462 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:31,160 So it doesn't say anything about all that you've experienced. 463 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,320 That can be worked with. 464 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,200 But the conclusion that you're a powerless, you're a victim, then that's what you've got 465 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,200 on. 466 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,960 That's the one that impacts your body that you're carrying with you. 467 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,440 That will become your determinant of conscious expression. 468 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,960 And so you'll have experiences where you're powerless. 469 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,960 Bad things happen. 470 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,960 Wow. 471 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,960 So it's not that simple, obviously, but that's just the example. 472 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:56,960 Obviously, right? 473 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,920 So to me, this is so fascinating. 474 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:05,120 I just have a myriad of questions, but I want to tie this a little bit into newborns if 475 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:10,800 we could, because one of the things that we really advocate for with children's every 476 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,200 first is we can get to these kids before the age of six. 477 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,720 You really could have this dramatic impact on their airway, which leads to their sleep 478 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,880 quality and their health quality and all these things throughout their life. 479 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:32,280 And from my understanding, your cranial work is one of the things that could be done to 480 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,400 help some of these kids. 481 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,400 Yeah. 482 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,960 So a couple of examples. 483 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:47,320 So one of the things we see if a baby's tongue tied, because babies suck when they're inside. 484 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,120 They see it on ultrasound, kids are sucking, right? 485 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:56,200 But if they're tongue tied, then they're sucking an abnormal way and they literally 486 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:03,080 train their whole mouth and throat muscles to work in this abnormal way. 487 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,200 And so even after you release the tongue tie, they may still not know how to tongue thrust 488 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,680 or that sort of thing. 489 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:16,760 And so what we found is if they have some cranial work right after the release, it often, 490 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:26,200 again, frees up that natural balancing mechanism and the babies start nursing a lot better. 491 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,000 And so I really like to see babies. 492 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,680 I mean, it might be good to even prep babies before, but I personally think the sooner you 493 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,760 can do the release in a baby, the better. 494 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,240 Not wait till they're a month old or two or three months old or whatever. 495 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:52,000 Even do one or two cranial visits to get them in, get their whole oral pharyngeal area 496 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,720 in balance often helps them a lot. 497 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,400 And getting this work for older children as well. 498 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,400 If you've got a child that's four or five and has a mouth breather or is having sleep 499 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:10,640 issues or how would you approach something like that? 500 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,640 Yeah. 501 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:21,120 By that time, they've already probably changed the growth of their mandible and changed your 502 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,760 maxilla and all that sort of thing. 503 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,360 But what we found is if children are going through orthodontry, for example, to expand 504 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:37,840 the palate or to move teeth around and stuff, that the cranial work helps the orthodontry 505 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,360 work a lot better. 506 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,360 Really? 507 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,360 Yeah. 508 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:47,960 Like I had a patient as a teenager, one of her insiders came in behind the tooth that 509 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,240 was supposed to be in front of. 510 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,840 And so they were doing this treatment to literally move the tooth out and around and drop it 511 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,880 back into place. 512 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,560 And the orthodontist said, well, this is going to take 16 months to get this done. 513 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,760 And she was in a lot of pain every time she went and had her braces adjusted. 514 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:10,680 And so the mom set up deployments to have her come in to see me the next day afterwards. 515 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:16,880 And after treatment and releasing tension patterns in the mouth and gums and alveolar 516 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,720 bone and everything, she wouldn't have any more pain that month. 517 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,240 And she got through the treatment in 10 months. 518 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,240 Wow. 519 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,760 Instead of 16 months. 520 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:33,720 Well, and do you think part of that is her body wasn't in pain? 521 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,840 And so she was processing things different. 522 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,800 Maybe is it possible that she was more open to the adjustments? 523 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:46,760 Well, and releasing the strain patterns each time allows things to just move better. 524 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,960 And I also think it removes any forces that want to make the tooth go back to where it 525 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,120 started from. 526 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,920 So nowadays they're asking people to wear their retainers their whole life. 527 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:04,720 And I think if they were to get cranial work as they went through that, the orthodontry, 528 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,280 there wouldn't be any reason why their mouth would go back towards the resistance from 529 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,080 their body would go away. 530 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,080 Exactly. 531 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,160 I mean, I don't think there's any studies to prove that. 532 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,960 That's just a theory that I have. 533 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,960 A theory, right. 534 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,960 Yeah. 535 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,520 You're listening to Airway First with today's guest, Dr. Stephen Hall. 536 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,000 You can find out more about the Children's Airway First Foundation and our mission to 537 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,520 ensure that every child has access to screening, evaluation, and treatment of all children's 538 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:37,000 airway disorders before the age of six on our website at childrensairwayfirst.org. 539 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,880 You can also find a ton of great resources for parents on our website, including videos, 540 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:48,240 blogs, recommended books, comprehensive medical research, and other podcasts. 541 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,920 As a reminder, this podcast and the opinions expressed here are not a medical diagnosis. 542 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,280 If you suspect your child might have an airway issue, contact your pediatric airway dentist 543 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,280 or pediatrician. 544 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,960 Now, back to our podcast. 545 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,760 But I've had a lot of patients. 546 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:11,960 I can tell you lots of stories, but where the craniowork really dovetailed nicely with 547 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,640 orthodontics, they get better outcomes more quickly with less pain. 548 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,640 That is amazing. 549 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,240 Now, what about with sleep? 550 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:25,040 Have you found this craniowork assist people, especially kids, but anyone with sleep issues 551 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,040 as well? 552 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,880 Or would you approach that completely different? 553 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:37,120 What we can do with craniowork is just get your system into balance and then step back 554 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,320 and see what happens. 555 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,880 It's different for each person. 556 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:48,280 But you have a little bone right above your voice box called your hyoid bone. 557 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,120 And that hyoid doesn't touch any other bones. 558 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,520 It's suspended in space by the force of three different muscle groups. 559 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,480 So I think of it like where the three legs of a Y come together. 560 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,920 That's where the hyoid sits. 561 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:08,680 And so the bottom leg are these muscles that go from the hyoid down to your sternum and 562 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,960 herosashita manubrium there and then your clavicle and stuff. 563 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,600 And then the one leg of the Y are the muscles that make the flurry of your mouth. 564 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,160 Because when you look at a skull, that's all open space there, right? 565 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,080 And then so there's this floor of muscle and then your tongue sits on that muscle. 566 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:37,200 And then the back part of the Y are the muscles that go from the hyoid bone up to your... 567 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,200 There's this little... 568 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,400 It's called the stylohyoid, a little stylus that comes off the temporal bone. 569 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,400 It looks like a... 570 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,400 Let's see. 571 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,400 What is it? 572 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,160 The mites go up, the tides go down. 573 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,760 So it's like a stalactite hanging down from a cliff, a cave wall, right? 574 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,240 And there's a little muscle attached to that. 575 00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:01,680 And then they also attach to C1, the front side of C1, your first cervical vertebrae. 576 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,560 But those are the muscles that keep your trachea and your sockets from falling down into your 577 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,560 chest. 578 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,600 We've ever wondered why your trachea doesn't fall down into your chest. 579 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,600 Now you know why. 580 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,600 Right. 581 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,800 There you go. 582 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,840 But because it's a Y, all those forces play off each other. 583 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,840 The kind of... 584 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,840 And... 585 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,600 But there's excess tension in the floor of the mouth that will then pull... 586 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,080 Can pull the neck out, for example. 587 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,080 And that kind of thing. 588 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,080 So, getting this whole hyoid... 589 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,960 I call it the hyoid complex. 590 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,880 Balanced can really help the oral pharyngeal muscles work properly. 591 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:48,080 And one of the things that affects airways is when your tongue falls back. 592 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,080 Right. 593 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,080 Right. 594 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,200 And your braces can be so dangerous. 595 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,680 Yeah, which is what I had actually. 596 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,360 Now that I've learned about all this stuff, it's like... 597 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,360 Right. 598 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,360 In this horrible... 599 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,360 I did the same thing. 600 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,360 I have no chin. 601 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,360 What is happening? 602 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,360 Yeah. 603 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,360 And... 604 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,000 But anyway, I was lucky. 605 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,440 You know, my braces aren't till I was 15, so I probably was already had a big enough 606 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,440 airway. 607 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,440 I didn't suffer from it. 608 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,440 That was safe enough. 609 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,440 Yeah. 610 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:22,120 But no, I work a lot with this whole area to help people with snoring problems with... 611 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:28,640 But I think it's very important in this process to make sure this whole mechanism, they call 612 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:37,040 the orthoenathic system, is balanced and working to its proper... 613 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,920 As best it can. 614 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:47,760 And I think cranio work along with the training that they do can be really helpful in that. 615 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,000 So that the training actually works and holds. 616 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000 Right. 617 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,800 So it doesn't regress. 618 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,800 Exactly. 619 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,000 It would be the right word. 620 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:03,600 As far as pediatric medicine right now, where do you think we're missing the mark? 621 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,880 Well, from my experience, my observations in office, I think... 622 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,520 Most pediatricians are doing a really great job. 623 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:21,280 And where I think would be helpful for these kids is if we had airway exam, you know, tongue 624 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:27,960 and oral airway exam, be a part of the newborn exam that the delivering doctor does in the 625 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:28,960 delivery room. 626 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,960 Right. 627 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,000 I think people will be surprised to know it's not. 628 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,000 It's not. 629 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,000 It's not. 630 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,360 I've had some kids six months old coming in and nobody's ever looked in their mouth. 631 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,360 Right. 632 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,360 Okay. 633 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,960 But I mean, they're listening to their heart and lungs and they're checking their hip displacement. 634 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:45,960 I mean, there's... 635 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,440 But they're just not opening their mouths and really looking in there, moving their 636 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,440 tongue. 637 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,360 Sticking their finger in there, looking around. 638 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,360 Yeah. 639 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:59,280 And it would just take a very short, you know, just add a minute or two to the newborn exam. 640 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:05,440 But it could really change the baby's life if they could get the proper treatment started 641 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,920 at that age, you know. 642 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,200 Right, because they could take a palate, for example, that was really high. 643 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,600 They could actually adjust it while they're still malleable or like you said, release 644 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,760 the tongue ties so that they could nurse properly. 645 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,280 Yeah. 646 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:25,960 And again, so we work a lot with the mandible and with the temporal mandibular joints and 647 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,320 you know, the mastodermuscles, temporalis muscles, people that clenched their teeth in 648 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,320 their sleep. 649 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,840 It's called bruxism. 650 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,240 You know, bruxism is interesting because it's happening in your sleep. 651 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:38,240 Right. 652 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:42,040 So you have to get into that unconscious mind to figure out why. 653 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,760 To make a difference in it. 654 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,760 Yeah. 655 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,600 So just getting a bite plate and people just bite on the bite plate all night. 656 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,600 Right. 657 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,680 And it saves their teeth, but it's messes with their... 658 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,680 But it's still happening. 659 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,680 Yeah. 660 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,360 It's still is compressing their whole cranial rhythm and still messing with the temporal 661 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,280 mandibular joint. 662 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:06,480 So the thing I would like to see, and I know we're working with this as part of the Children's 663 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:13,400 Dairy First Foundation is getting that to be an acceptable part of the newborn exam. 664 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:20,480 And so, you know, pediatricians, neonatologists, pediatricians that attend births, even the 665 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,160 OBs, because sometimes the OBs are the one doing the new baby exam. 666 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,160 Right. 667 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,560 And then the pediatricianers, midwives, whoever's doing an initial new baby exam just to have 668 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,240 an airway check, oral, you know, the mouth and airway check be part of that physical 669 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,760 exam could make all the difference in the world. 670 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,760 It really could. 671 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,760 It's fascinating. 672 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,080 And again, you know, as a mom of two, I had no idea. 673 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,960 I was assumed, you know, they're going off, they're doing their thing, they're going to 674 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,400 check, my kid, we're great. 675 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,720 And having, you know, been a part of the foundation now for a year and started to learn what goes 676 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:53,720 on. 677 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,920 It never occurred to me no one looked in their mouth. 678 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,720 No one checked. 679 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:04,960 And then also being trained to notice the, like when a baby's a mouth breather. 680 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,960 Yes. 681 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,360 That, I mean, I never got trained to do that when I was in residency. 682 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,360 But you know what? 683 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,200 The Navajo women never got trained. 684 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,880 And I know you've probably studied this. 685 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,840 They know to just come up and close their mouths. 686 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,400 So we're back to that kind of inner consciousness somewhere along the way. 687 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,000 And figuring it out. 688 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,120 They just close them and that's why they didn't have the issues. 689 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,120 Interesting. 690 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,120 Yeah. 691 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,400 So it'd be something simple like that. 692 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:38,640 And even just a piece of that white micro-pore paper piece really is a great way to get 693 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,920 encouraged for breathing. 694 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,920 Right. 695 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:46,200 So, but I personally think a good cranial evaluation early in life can help. 696 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:55,280 There was an unpublished study that was done by an osteopath in Waterford, Maine that there 697 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,400 were two hospitals that did deliveries in his town. 698 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,880 And every morning for five years, he got up and went into one hospital and did a just 699 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,240 a 20 minute cranial treatment on all the babies that were born that day. 700 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,840 And then he didn't do them on the babies born in the other hospital as a control group. 701 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,840 Okay. 702 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,280 And then he followed those kids till they were five years old. 703 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,000 And what he found was the kids that got the 20 minute cranial treatment on the first day 704 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,400 of birth were hospitalized half as often as the other kids. 705 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,400 Wow. 706 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:31,840 For all different causes, whether it was respiratory, sensual virus or whatever, hospitalized half 707 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,840 as often. 708 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,840 So, talk about inexpensive preventative medicine. 709 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:36,840 Unbelievable. 710 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,840 Yeah. 711 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,840 No kidding. 712 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,840 Yeah. 713 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,840 And he didn't get it. 714 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,000 He wasn't able to publish it because he didn't like go through an institute review board 715 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,920 or any, you know, it wasn't a formal study or anything. 716 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,040 But I met him when I was back in Maine. 717 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,040 Wow. 718 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,040 Pretty interesting. 719 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,560 That is, that's incredibly interesting. 720 00:40:53,560 --> 00:41:00,480 So, when we're talking about moms and newborns, you know, talking to them specifically, you 721 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:07,800 know, what can they do to protect their newborns and guide them as they're growing older? 722 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,960 Can, could they actually ask for an airway evaluation at birth? 723 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,400 I think that would be helpful and or do their own. 724 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,080 I mean, moms can tell if their babies have a tongue tie. 725 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,160 They might not be able to assess a high palate. 726 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,720 They might not know what that is. 727 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:32,400 But, but educate, you know, moms can observe nasal or mouth breathing babies. 728 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:38,480 So, just a little bit of that education could happen in a prenatal class. 729 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,920 You know, this is what you watch for in your newborn if they're a mouth breather. 730 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,920 Right. 731 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,040 Show a few slides or something, you know. 732 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:52,200 That wouldn't be that hard to include that in the curriculum for prenatal classes, for 733 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,200 example. 734 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,200 Yeah. 735 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,280 And the other thing is, you know, parents and I think a little bit prejudiced, but especially 736 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,160 moms is really have this knowing about their kids. 737 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:08,320 This is almost intuitive kind of knowing and to trust that. 738 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,320 Yeah. 739 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,520 If you think something's off, then be like a dog on a bone and don't give up to get 740 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,400 an answer that you trust. 741 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,160 And you know, it's just you being a patient advocate for your child. 742 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,520 You know, and I spoke with another guest on a previous podcast and that's the only way 743 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,080 that she got help and finally got somebody to really dig into her issues. 744 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,080 She was patient advocate. 745 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,200 She was your little less. 746 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:42,040 And I think it's not a knock on the doctors if you can't see it, you know, right up front. 747 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,040 Right. 748 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,400 And, and the system is really hard. 749 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,320 It doesn't really support doctors doing their job well. 750 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,320 And that's right. 751 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,800 They don't have the time to really dig in and look and do these. 752 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:59,400 But the medical system is so complicated now that anybody who interfaces with the medical 753 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,360 system needs an advocate. 754 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,720 And my own opinion is that's one of the jobs of the primary care practitioner is to advocate 755 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,800 for their patient to the rest of the medical system. 756 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:12,800 Okay. 757 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,080 You know, the hospital is the insurance companies, hospitals, everybody or. 758 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:23,320 Well, I personally don't like dealing with insurance companies, but as far as anybody 759 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:29,880 talks, but specialists and, you know, like if somebody needs to be hospitalized, they 760 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:36,360 need an advocate to make sure that, that everything's going correctly and stuff. 761 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,360 That's just my opinion. 762 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:43,400 And it's just because the system has gotten so complicated and everybody's overworked, 763 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,960 especially now after the pandemic. 764 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,960 Oh, absolutely. 765 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,000 Real labor shortage. 766 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:56,760 And, but, but yeah, just, and parents often have to start out being the advocate for their 767 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,160 babies and hopefully their, their pediatrician or family practitioner can help them with 768 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,920 that if the child needs specialty care. 769 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:06,920 Okay. 770 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,960 So that's my opinion. 771 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,840 And then, you know, the last question I'll have for you. 772 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:18,480 And again, I recommend your book to pretty much anyone. 773 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,760 You're seriously. 774 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,840 But this is actually my second copy, which, you know, of this book because I found so much 775 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,840 value in it. 776 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:36,800 I gave it to my adult daughter who suffers from anxiety and for other, other moms out 777 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:42,360 there and dads, but like you said, it's, it tends to be the moms. 778 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:49,760 What other advice can you give them as far as, you know, dealing with children with 779 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,200 hair issues and anxiety and depression? 780 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,720 Well, yeah, that was a really good question. 781 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:59,120 I'm thinking about that. 782 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:06,920 And I think this gets a little metaphysical, but I think it's important to know that, you 783 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:14,120 know, that, that deep inner wisdom that we all have is cause at one point I asked myself, 784 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,520 well, what are the characteristics of this deep inner wisdom that everybody seems to 785 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,520 have? 786 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,520 And it didn't seem to matter what their religious upbringing was, what their economic standing 787 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,480 was, what culture they were raised in. 788 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:34,520 Everybody worked with had this deep inner knowing and it had these kind of universal characteristics. 789 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:41,000 And in a lot of traditions would call it your immortal soul or, you know, you're there, 790 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,840 like I said, there's lots of different names for it around the world. 791 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:50,440 But just know that your newborn baby has that and it's just as ageless in that newborn 792 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,960 baby as it will be when they're an adult in a grownup body, right? 793 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,520 So, so just, so treat them like that. 794 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,200 Treat them as there, there's incredibly wise and, and deep human beings because we all 795 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,240 have that. 796 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:13,320 And what's interesting is humans, we tend to respond, we try to meet the expectations 797 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,720 that are placed on us. 798 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:20,320 And I don't know if that's cause we were, I don't know if that's cause we evolved is 799 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:26,680 in tribal situations for hundreds of thousands of years, but, but just like, like as, so 800 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:33,440 what I mean, as an example, there's a saying in parenting that labeling is disabling. 801 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:39,800 So if a kid gets a label of ADD on in their school record, at the beginning of the year, 802 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,200 teachers reading through their students school records and they see ADD, how are they going 803 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,040 to treat that child? 804 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,840 Right, right. 805 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,840 Right. 806 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,560 And that child is going to try to meet the expectation of ADD. 807 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,560 Uh-huh. 808 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,560 Right. 809 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:54,560 And you see that a lot. 810 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:01,280 And like we all go through the phase of stranger anxiety when we're, when we're toddlers probably. 811 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,280 Right. 812 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,880 And, and so if parents keep saying, oh, they're just really shy, you know, as you're going 813 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,000 behind their leg or when you meet a stranger, but I've seen six year olds, six year olds 814 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,520 that kept doing that. 815 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:18,040 And, and I would talk to them, I'm saying, well, just don't say that in front of them. 816 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,040 No. 817 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,040 Right. 818 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:25,400 But, but also it's, it's like, what image do you hold of your child in your mind? 819 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,600 Okay. 820 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,520 Because they're going to try to meet that expectation because it's the unspoken expectations that 821 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,000 are the most powerful. 822 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,560 And so, and I, I practice this with my patients. 823 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:43,440 I hold this expectation in my mind that, that they're competent to find their healing and, 824 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,040 and to live happy productive lives. 825 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,480 But then I kind of leave it open to what that, what that means to them. 826 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,480 Uh-huh. 827 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,040 So I think as a parent, you should do the same thing with your child is see, hold them 828 00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:02,800 in your mind as being perfectly competent to grow up and live a happy productive life, 829 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:03,800 whatever that means to them. 830 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:04,800 Whatever that is to them. 831 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:05,800 Yeah. 832 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:14,200 And that your job is to help them discover their gifts and, and then, you know, expand 833 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,760 on their gifts and bring those gifts to the world. 834 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,960 And, but I think that expectation or that, you know, that image you hold of your child 835 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,640 in your mind, even if you never say a word about it is really important. 836 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,640 And it's powerful. 837 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:30,640 Yeah. 838 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,280 It's absolutely powerful. 839 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,200 And that's actually a part of like, for example, Waldorf teacher training. 840 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,720 Um, they try to teach the Waldorf teachers to hold the certain kind of expectation for 841 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:42,960 each child in their class. 842 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:48,120 And, and every morning they teach you're supposed to think about each child before the day starts, 843 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,920 you know, in that way. 844 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:57,040 And I can never have to say a word and they will do their darnedest to meet those expectations. 845 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,760 That is amazing. 846 00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:59,760 Absolutely amazing. 847 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,760 Well, on that note, I would like to thank you so much for taking time to speak with me 848 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,240 today and being, you know, being a part of our foundation and bringing your wisdom to 849 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,480 what we're trying to do to help all these kids. 850 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,880 I truly appreciate it. 851 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:14,880 Well, thank you. 852 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,000 I appreciate what you're doing. 853 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,520 And this is going to help a lot of children once this really gets up and going. 854 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,520 It's a great thing. 855 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,520 I hope so. 856 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,520 I absolutely hope so. 857 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,920 Thank you so much. 858 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,040 You're welcome. 859 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:33,200 Thanks so much to today's guest, Dr. Stephen Hall, for sharing his medical insight into 860 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,960 each of you for listening to our episode. 861 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,400 If you're new to our podcast, please don't forget to subscribe. 862 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,440 And if you enjoyed today's episode, please remember to leave us a review or comment about 863 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,520 what you enjoyed most. 864 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,840 You can stay connected with the Children's Airway First Foundation by following us on 865 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,840 Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn. 866 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,920 And if you'd like to be a guest on an upcoming episode, shoot us a note via the contact us 867 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:04,920 page on our website or send us an email directly at info at childrensairwayfirst.org. 868 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,040 Remember this podcast and the opinions expressed here are not a medical diagnosis. 869 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,720 If you suspect your child might have an airway issued, contact your pediatric dentist or 870 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:15,360 pediatrician. 871 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,800 And as always, thanks to all the parents and medical professionals out there that are 872 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,720 working so hard to help make the lives of kids around the globe a little bit better. 873 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:24,720 Take care, everyone. 874 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:45,400 Stay safe and happy breathing.