1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Hi everyone, and welcome back to Airway First, the podcast from the Children's Airway First 2 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:33,280 Foundation. I'm your host, Rebecca St. James. My guest today is Mallory Roberts, a speech 3 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,720 pathologist who is trained in craniosacral therapy, myofunctional therapy, and infant 4 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:44,720 massage. She has special interests in infant reflex, infant oral development, and bottle 5 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:50,200 feeding. Through her professional work and due to the lack of support during her own 6 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:56,520 baby's feeding journeys, she created the feeding mom. It's here that she empowers parents 7 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,640 through their feeding journeys locally and around the world. Her philosophy is every 8 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:09,960 parent deserves to love feeding their baby. You can find out more about Mallory at thefeedingmom.com 9 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:17,680 or on Instagram at infant.feeding.specialist. And now let's jump into today's episode with 10 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:24,000 our guest Mallory Roberts. Awesome. Good morning Mallory. Thank you so much for joining us 11 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:32,840 on the show today. Yes, hello. How are you? I am doing awesome. Good. So I found you because 12 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:38,160 I'm in love with your Instagram page. Thank you so much. Yeah, you're welcome. And we'll 13 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,920 put a link to it in the show notes because there's tons of great information out there 14 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,560 for moms. Too much for us to cover really. But for today, I want to dig in and really 15 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,800 just focus on the mouth. So let's start off with why is it so important for new moms to 16 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:59,520 get in their child's mouth? And what is oral mapping and what's the proper way to do it? 17 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,480 Yeah, it's such a weird concept. And a lot of times parents are like, that's a little 18 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:13,240 strange, right? When we look at the mouth and really I am all for all human beings getting 19 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,160 in their mouths. I really push the adults of the parents I work with like to get in 20 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:23,760 their mouth, right? And they can start to feel the differences in their body, which then 21 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,440 in turn really changes their sort of mindset, how they feel about getting in their own child's 22 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:36,560 mouth. But for a baby who is carrying tension and we have that word, right, or tightness 23 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:44,520 or has a restriction or isn't using their mouth optimally, getting in there is just 24 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:53,320 it's, it's like any kind of support we give these babies for head control. It's like 25 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:59,200 the support we give them to sit and to roll and we're constantly moving their body to 26 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:06,080 facilitate those movements, right? And so when we look at the mouth, if you just take 27 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:13,560 off any kind of weirdness that you feel about it and look at it from a muscle perspective, 28 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:21,880 right, the tongue is such a big, great muscle. And it's important for not just feeding, but 29 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:31,000 for breathing and for digestion and to regulate the body. And we can facilitate that muscle. 30 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:40,160 The oral play that we encourage, right, is to engage the muscles to move and to release 31 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:46,120 any tension that they might be feeling in order to function properly. And to expand 32 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:51,400 that, right? When the tongue isn't doing what it should be, which is sitting on the 33 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:59,440 palate, shaping the face, regulating the system, the baby's brain connection to that space 34 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:06,520 is limited. And when we're talking about oral mapping, getting in the mouth and building 35 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:12,200 those connections, helping baby build those connections is important when we start to 36 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,800 look at being and not just when you're starting solids, but there's lots of babies who will 37 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:24,840 gag on pacifiers, gag on bottles. And that is because of that brain connection, they're 38 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:31,000 missing pieces in that space. And getting in the mouth can help build safety within 39 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 that space. 40 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:38,280 And that gag reflex, is that also, is it the same for adults? Because that mapping is just 41 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:40,080 not fair? Or is that a different? 42 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:47,920 Yeah. So I would say it's different. Interesting. It could be depending on what activity you're 43 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:54,280 trying to do, right? Like if somebody's, so for adults, we're very cognitive, okay? Babies 44 00:04:54,280 --> 00:05:00,360 are more reflexive, right? And so right now you could think of something really gross, 45 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:05,000 something that you can't stand and you could, you could make yourself gag, right? Because 46 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,160 it's not just that physical thing, it's emotional too. 47 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,560 I'm thinking about brushing your teeth or when we get to dinner, some of us gag. 48 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:18,200 So when we look at things like that, right? Is it because of your perceived notion of 49 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:24,440 the activity itself? Like some people just don't like the dentist, right? Or is it because 50 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:30,520 your body is carrying tension in the back of the tongue and your brain connection lacks 51 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,160 awareness of that space and doesn't feel safe, right? 52 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:41,600 So even for adults, if you struggle with brushing your teeth as an adult, or if your child struggles 53 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:48,040 brushing their teeth because they're just excessively gagging, we have to look at why? 54 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:54,480 Because that gagging is physical, but it's also psychological, yeah? And so do you not 55 00:05:54,480 --> 00:06:00,680 feel safe in that space? Is your gag reflex hyper sensitive because of that? 56 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,720 Then it's such a huge though, this is a, you've touched on it. And again, I encourage people 57 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,640 to go to your Instagram page, but before we move away from this topic, you mentioned the 58 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:15,120 brain connection. I don't think we talk about that enough. And I think it's really important 59 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:21,600 for parents to hear, you don't, no one told us and you don't think about it. 60 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,600 Yeah. 61 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:28,120 One of the best ways you can help your child's cognitive development is having that tongue 62 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,960 in the roof of their mouth and having a good airway sleep pattern. 63 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:36,760 Yes. I mean, not just brain connection for awareness, right? Because if there's a part 64 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:42,680 of your body that doesn't get touched, right? Like that's anywhere in your body and doesn't 65 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:49,280 get moved and doesn't get a lot of input. Any new touch to that area is going to be 66 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:53,440 sensitive, right? Like your brain's like, whoa, what's going on? 67 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:54,440 Yeah. 68 00:06:54,440 --> 00:07:00,120 Yeah. And so if your tongue is sitting low in the mouth and that palate is always wide 69 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:06,560 open and it's never getting any kind of input, if you're going into space that never gets 70 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:12,800 input, then your brain is going, that's a defense mechanism. Gagging is for safety, right? And 71 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:20,280 we need to help create that safety in the body, but also, right? Like turning the brain 72 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,400 down because that's what the tongue is doing when it's on the palate is bringing it into 73 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:30,520 the parasympathetic nervous system. And then, so if you never there and your brain is always 74 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:37,120 on, gosh, that's exhausting for your body. You can't function if your brain is constant. 75 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,960 That's not going without sleep. And that's when we go into what's the quality of sleep 76 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,720 versus the quantity of sleep, right? 77 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,720 I mean, if you're constantly in that fight flight and you're not sleeping, we're getting 78 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:52,080 into things like ADHD and other behavioral issues. It's really just a can of worms that 79 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,240 I don't think people, it's from the outside world, you don't put them all together. 80 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,680 Yeah, no, right. We're always separating. Like everything is its own thing, right? And 81 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,480 that's right. The body is all. 82 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:03,680 That's how the body works. 83 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:04,680 Yeah. 84 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:05,680 Correct. No. 85 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:11,760 Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about breastfeeding because this is a huge topic. And before we 86 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,760 dig into this, I just want to caveat it with, if you're in a poem that wasn't able to breastfeed 87 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,000 and your child is older, like mine, go ahead and take your mom guilt and let's put it to 88 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,160 the side as we continue this conversation. 89 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,160 For sure. 90 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,880 I wasn't able to. Had I known then what I know now, probably could have. 91 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Yeah. 92 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,320 But so we know breastfeeding is important for a lot of reasons. 93 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,320 Yes. 94 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:41,960 If you can, it's great. You actually discussed some optimal bottle feeding techniques. So 95 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:47,120 when it comes to bottle feeding, what bottles and nipples do you most recommend and what 96 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,080 are some of the techniques you recommend? 97 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Yeah. This is a big hill that I stand on because we all get it. Breastfeeding is great. And 98 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:02,640 I do both. I breast and bottle feed my babies. So this is not a debate whether breast and 99 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,320 which is better breast or bottle. Yeah. 100 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:10,880 But we can't continue like the rhetoric that all babies who bottle feed are going to have 101 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,400 these oral motor deficits like that. 102 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,400 Right. 103 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:20,160 So we need to move past that and start supporting a better oral motor development for these 104 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:27,400 babies. And so when we're looking at bottles, you can just ignore anything the box says 105 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:35,440 because bottles are not regulated and a company can say whatever they want about their bottle. 106 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:42,400 Nobody checks into that. Nobody says, oh, this advertising is 100% accurate. Right. 107 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:49,520 So all the boxes that say most like breasts, breast feed, we're ignoring that because it's 108 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,520 probably not true. 109 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Just marketing. 110 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:52,520 Yeah. 111 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:58,640 Yes. It's just marketing. And the fact is that there is no bottle, not a single bottle 112 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:07,120 that will ever mimic a breast tissue. You can't do it. It's not going to happen. It 113 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:13,600 functions in a completely different way than a mechanical device. Right. But what we're 114 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:20,560 looking at is how we're feeding baby. Are we being responsive feeders with the bottle? 115 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:26,040 Because traditionally we put baby in a cradle hold and the bottle pops in and they're just 116 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,000 guzzling down. Right. 117 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:34,040 But when we look at responsive feeding, we're taking that away from the baby. We're waiting 118 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,280 until the bottle is empty. We're not listening to their cues. We're not even paying attention 119 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:45,360 to it. So outside of the bottle, how we're feeding baby matters. When you're looking 120 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:51,440 at the bottle itself, I have some because I have some of the bottles. We want a sloping 121 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,440 shape. Okay. 122 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,440 Okay. 123 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,280 So instead of the one that's kind of back curved in and then pops up. 124 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,320 Yes. Okay. So then you have, let me see if I have some around here. So this is a maim 125 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:09,840 bottle, which everyone knows and it's the flat nipple. Okay. And now I also tell moms, 126 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:16,520 it is not, if your baby drinks out of a sloping nipple, it doesn't mean there's not going 127 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,960 to have any motor deficits. And if your baby drinks out of a maim, it doesn't mean that 128 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:27,600 they will have deficits, but it does tell us something about the body because if your 129 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:34,400 baby cannot drink out of this kind of nipple, but they can, this one, it tells us that they're 130 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:40,480 having trouble with latching. Okay. Because the nipple is flat. They don't have to latch 131 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:49,760 around the nipple. They just rest on the tongue and then they munch on it. Okay. So your baby 132 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,960 did wonderful on the maim bottle. That's great. I'm never going to tell you, stop giving 133 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:59,240 them the maim, right? Because our number one goal is baby be fed. But I do want to encourage 134 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:05,600 that we're looking at the big picture. If you, if we're not interested in changing feeding, 135 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,040 what else is going on in their mouth? Are they breathing with it closed and nasal breathing 136 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:16,040 properly like that? We need to mark that off. Are they sleeping? Do they wake up while rested? 137 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,880 Are they waking up cranky, tired and mad? Then we're looking at quality versus quantity, 138 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,200 right? Of sleep. All right. So there's other things that we can look at, but the other 139 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:30,680 popular nipple, which is it's going to be like your standard wide neck nipple. So it's 140 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:36,640 going to come up and then it's going to shoot up, right? Okay. So you're traditional wide. 141 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,720 It's going to look like this, right? So it's got a big base and then it comes up into a 142 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:46,600 nipple, right? And when we talk about like most breasts, like we don't want your, when 143 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,960 you're breastfeeding, we don't want lips of like a smashed nipple, right? And the nook 144 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,240 bottles look like a lipstick nipple. Well, we don't want that when we're breastfeeding. 145 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,800 So it's just so strange. Anyway, so this is like your traditional wide neck, right? And 146 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,880 so there's one, eight different bottles now that look like those in some way, shape or 147 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:13,840 form. And what this does is really creates a narrow latch. Okay. So baby is not widening 148 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:19,600 their mouth on this piece, which is what we're wanting, wanting a deep wide latch, but they're 149 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,160 not getting to this piece. What happens when they get to this piece is they push up against 150 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:30,280 it, right? So their lips go on top of that wide piece instead of really flaring out. 151 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:36,600 And so now we have a really shallow kind of narrow latch and how hard is that to drink 152 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,520 from, right? Right. The other thing that could happen with these wide bottles is that they 153 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:46,720 latch on and that they do get a wide piece, but look at all that air that's in between 154 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,920 the latches, right? So you're latched here and then you're latched here and we have this 155 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:57,240 middle hunk of air just pulling in air. So when we're looking at what? 156 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:03,800 Which leads to all other issues. Yeah. So sloping, your sloping nipples are even 157 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:10,240 flow balance, pigeon, lancino, and they have a couple of others, but they'll all look like 158 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:16,320 this. The other thing that helps with feeding is like the texture of the nipple. Okay. You 159 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:23,600 can see this is very elastic and this would be considered more breast-like. However, what 160 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:31,600 I find is that because this mimics the outside of the breast, there's nothing inside that's 161 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:38,200 mimicking the breast tissue, right? So when baby is pulling on this, I find that baby 162 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:43,440 kind of struggle with the softer ones because when they're pulling, there's nothing for 163 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,600 them to push up against. Then it almost flattened and then they're pulling against it. 164 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:55,680 Yeah. Okay. So while we want a good wide shape to help 165 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:01,360 latch, right? For the tongue to cup, for the palate to be nice and wide and not narrow 166 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:09,080 against something, when we're looking at the texture, I want it to be a bit firmer because 167 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:14,400 that firmness, while they have a nice pretty latch, that firmness gets them something to 168 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,480 push up against, if that makes sense. Yeah. So that would make them work their jaw more, 169 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:24,040 right? Which is what we want. Yeah. I mean, yes, we want them pulling, right? And while 170 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:32,880 this is, it looks nice in action, it kind of defeats the process. Yeah. Yeah. It's missing 171 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,360 something. Now, a lot of babies do well on this and there's benefits to this kind of 172 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,480 bottle because you are getting that shape that you like and maybe a baby who is low 173 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:48,040 tone might do a little better on something that doesn't need as much input in order to 174 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:54,560 suck, right? So you're kind of looking at, again, at baby holistically versus just like 175 00:15:54,560 --> 00:16:00,400 this is the one bottle that every baby needs to use. Even for balance, well, it's still 176 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:08,280 my favorite bottle ever. Okay. So and I've tried a lot. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. And so 177 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:14,440 how, if we're using the bottle, how can we prevent overfeeding? So we have to look at 178 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,720 that position, right? Because that matters because you're going to miss babies fullness 179 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:24,200 cues. If we're in cradle and we have the bottle down, babies in the crook of your arm, you're 180 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,120 missing their cues. And a lot of times parents are missing their cues because they're so 181 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:33,640 worried about baby finishing their bottle. Right. If we want to prevent- 182 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Especially the jimmers, baby, right? Because it says they need this much every time. No. 183 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,880 If you're just going by that list. Yeah. Even the cans of formula stay zero to one month 184 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,320 should be drinking that. Yeah. From birth to one month. It's like God. 185 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,360 It's so frustrating though. And to be like a new mom and like you read the can and you're 186 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,640 like, well, my one day old isn't eating like this. Your two day old is not going to be 187 00:16:54,640 --> 00:17:01,000 eating what a one month old eats. Such a big jump. It's so crazy to me. So first, like 188 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:08,840 we need to understand that finishing the bottle is not the goal. Yeah. Right. Like we always 189 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:15,800 have an idea about where we kind of want to sit with ounces, but finishing the bottle 190 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,240 isn't the goal. And a lot of times we're missing baby's cues because we're paying attention 191 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:26,840 to how much of the milk is left. And so, yeah, if your baby is in cradle, let me grab my 192 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,120 baby. It says Carl. Oh, Carl is beautiful. Good morning, Carl. 193 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:37,320 If you're here, like in our traditional cradle position, like baby has really limited movement 194 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,800 and you and you have a bottle pressed up against their mouth, right? But they're not going 195 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:48,720 anywhere. And so if they wanted to turn away to say, Hey, I'm full. I'm full. We're not 196 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:56,680 seeing that. Yeah. So, so we want baby to be in a sideline position. Okay. This goes for 197 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,360 forever. This is not a medical position. This is not a position that you use when they're 198 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:08,840 dung and learning. We always want them into this position. However you want to do it. 199 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:14,000 Okay. So parents can have them on their legs out like this. They can put a pillow on the 200 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:22,760 sofa and feed them. They can lean up against them like this. Okay. Those little body pillows. 201 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:30,600 So they're like elevated. Yeah. Yeah. And they're on their sideline, right? Right. And 202 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,200 as they get older, they'll end up sitting up. Yeah. And then you're just sitting them 203 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:39,720 up and eating. Okay. But they would have movement at that point. Yes. Yes. And the bottle is 204 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:47,720 always horizontal. We're always horizontal. Right. This should be a 90 degree angle. Okay. 205 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,480 And so this would be fine as they get older. I don't like the sitting up position when 206 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,080 they're young because we don't have this core strength. And so then they end up like this. 207 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:04,280 Right. Right. And that is so much pressure on that esophagus. So we're talking about 208 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:09,640 reflux and discomfort during feeding. I mean, that's like you wear on a tight pair of pants. 209 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,840 The thing's skibbon, right? You just got to open it up when you leave. So for overfeeding, 210 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,880 right, like to get all the way back, we go in a big circle. For overfeeding, we need 211 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:27,000 to have baby able to tell us their fullness cues. And we need, so them turning away, right? 212 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,360 Them slowing down. A lot of times when they're here too, we don't even notice the slowing 213 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:36,920 down because they're just, they have to keep sucking because the milk is just coming, right? 214 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:42,760 Whether they want it or not. We're missing those two big ones. And then we're, and then 215 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:48,360 stop paying attention to the ounces. Now, of course we want baby eating, but if they're not, 216 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:54,440 if they're stopping and they're showing you that we need to stop the feed and they're not getting 217 00:19:54,440 --> 00:20:02,600 what they need to based on them not growing on their own curve, right? If you are born in the 30th 218 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:08,840 percentile, it's totally fine for you to stay in the 30th percentile. You don't need, it's not a test 219 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:14,200 score. We don't need to be all 100. Right. And you don't compare them to what the 90 is eating and 220 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:20,360 doing. Correct. It's completely different. Yeah. It's completely different. And so if your baby is 221 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:26,120 really lethargic or they're not having a lot of pee and poop diapers, if they're truly not getting 222 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:31,880 enough, but they're telling us they're done, that is, we need a feeding assessment. That's 223 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,120 telling us something's going on and we need somebody to look at it, not that we need to push 224 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:41,480 ounces. That's not the solution because then we have a baby. Yeah. We have a baby who's refluxing 225 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:47,080 all over the place and then what? And then it's just a whole another problem. Right. And again, 226 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,640 if you want to dig into this more, I encourage everyone to check out your Instagram and put 227 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,200 your mom guilt out because I'll tell you what, in this particular subject, because my two were so 228 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:01,240 different. I mean, they were both tiny little polypockets, but the way they fed was so different 229 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:09,080 and watching your Instagram, like I said earlier, man, if I had just known, as my youngest had issues 230 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,040 and we had to switch your formula and would do all these things. But wow, if I had just later on 231 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,200 her side and done a couple of other items that you touch. Yes. What would have been different? 232 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,760 Yes. Yeah. And it is, it's not just stressful for the mom, it's stressful for the baby. 233 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:28,040 Yes. So now we're back into that parasympathetic mode. We're all stressed and walking around just 234 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:34,680 all the time. Yeah. And like hating feeding time, like the countdown to when it's feeding time is 235 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,000 like you can feel the anxiety building up in the family dynamic. Right? Right. Because you know 236 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,880 what's going to happen when it's over. There's going to be spit up, there's going to be call 237 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:49,800 it cries and there's going to be anxiety and it's not fun. Yeah. It's rough. It is. But and we'll 238 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:56,040 also put a link for those that would like to get in contact with an IBCLC, the national link where 239 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,080 you can go find somebody in your area because it's huge and it can make a huge difference for you. 240 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,200 One of the things you talk about is cranial sacral therapy. And I know if for those who haven't 241 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,440 heard it in some of our other episodes, could you just briefly describe what it is and how it's 242 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:18,120 beneficial to babies, especially the ones? Yeah, sure. So cranial sacral. So I'm a speech pathologist 243 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:24,760 by like trade, I guess you would say that's what my master's degree is in. But when I found cranial 244 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,840 sacral therapy, when I became trained in that it changed my whole career and the way that I helped 245 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:39,400 these babies. So cranial sacral really is about energy and that might sound very woo-woo, but I 246 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:45,720 always like to encourage people like on a very base level is to just imagine the worst person 247 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:51,880 in the world and how they physically make you feel. You don't even have to touch them and the 248 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:59,080 physical change your body goes through when you think of them, right? That's energy versus the 249 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:07,000 person you love the most and how you relax and your whole body physically changes. And so whether 250 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:15,320 you believe in energy or not, it's impacting you every single day, all day long. And so cranial 251 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:22,840 sacral therapy really is about me as like the therapist and you go into the body and you're 252 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:29,960 using their own rhythm. So I find their rhythm and their energy and how they're responding 253 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:38,840 within their environment. And we sort of release where they're holding on to any kind of tension 254 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:48,040 or trauma. Surprisingly, like 99% of the time, whenever I tell the parents, oh, I'm feeling most 255 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:54,440 of their tension built up here and I go to this one spot of the baby, it is always where the mom 256 00:23:54,440 --> 00:24:02,360 or the primary caregiver feels the most tension in their body. And I work with, I know, I work with 257 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:07,880 a pelvic floor physical therapist and sometimes we do co-treatments and I'll be working with baby 258 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,440 and I'll tell a parent at the end, this is the side and body part of what you to focus on when 259 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:19,080 we're looking at movement to help build safety in their body. And the pelvic floor therapist is, 260 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:25,000 well, mom, this is the side and spot of your body that I want you to focus on. And the way that they 261 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:32,040 match and mirror each other is just, it's like beautiful. And yeah, I tell parents all the time 262 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,840 who are like, well, where do I start? I was like, well, where do you feel the tension in your body 263 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,240 the most? That's where I would start with your baby because there's just so much correlation 264 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:48,360 between the two. And so cranial sacral is like the lightest touch ever. It's five grams of pressure. 265 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:55,000 And so if you have a food scale, you could go put five grams and it's just like the lightest touch. 266 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:02,760 But what it's doing is transferring that safe and that energy, releasing tension, 267 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:09,880 we're going into the body and binding where they're at and helping them move. You might also 268 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:16,360 hear cranial fascial therapy. And that is like a more movement based while cranial sacral is 269 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:25,160 using lots of energy and soft touch to go into the body. Facial movement uses a lot of physical 270 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:32,520 movement to release fascial tension because tension can be physical. So we can physically move it. 271 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,360 You see, I know all those people have seen those videos where they're like rubbing on the adult 272 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:42,280 back and turn to really, really red, right? So they're releasing fascial adhesions. We're not 273 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:50,840 doing that on the, it's so fascial adhesions can be physical, but they can also be energy and 274 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:58,120 emotional based. And so I kind of use a combination of the two because I am a speech therapist and I 275 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:04,280 do manual therapy, right? And so you might go to a cranial sacral session and they're literally 276 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:11,320 like just the lightest touch moving around on baby's body and releasing tension within. And then 277 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,440 you might go to a therapist like speech or occupational or physical therapist who's also 278 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:22,680 trained and they might include some bigger movements with their treatment. So it can look 279 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:28,440 a little different from provider to provider. But for babies, it's a beautiful thing because 280 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:35,240 they're again, like I said earlier, adults are so much more cognitive that they put all of that 281 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:42,200 awareness and what they know on top of those emotions. Whereas babies are not that way. And 282 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:50,120 they will, they are so open to being free and letting go. And I love treating babies because 283 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:55,000 they tell me right away where they're hurting and we go there and we can treat it and we can release 284 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,800 it. We see progress. We continue that, right? For adults, goodness gracious, sometimes you 285 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:07,640 gotta like, that's a lot of onion repealing that for a right. And they have to be open and willing. 286 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:14,600 And for babies, they already just are. So if you are struggling with attention patterns, 287 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:20,920 like your baby always looks one way or they're having constipation or they're having feeding 288 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:27,240 difficulties, like we're getting the feeding assessment, right? But sometimes unfortunately, 289 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:33,400 those feeding assessments just aren't, they're not looking at the whole baby. And sometimes they're 290 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,720 looking at, they watch baby eat and they're like, well, it looks okay, but they're not feeling baby. 291 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,400 They're not getting in the mouth. They're not feeling their body. They're not building the 292 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,960 connection with where the breakdown is. And so get the feeding assessment. They have to get in 293 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,600 baby's mouth, right? Do a feeding assessment without getting in the mouth and feeling the 294 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,960 muscles and learning what they're doing. And so many parents get feeding assessments that are just 295 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,720 not, it's just unfortunate and it's sad because as professionals, I'm like, 296 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,880 get the assessment, get the assessment. And these poor parents are getting the assessment and it's 297 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:36,120 just doing nothing. 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If you suspect your child 310 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,440 might have an airway issue, contact your pediatric airway dentist or pediatrician. 311 00:29:48,440 --> 00:30:04,360 And now let's jump back into my interview with today's guest, Mallory Roberts. 312 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,400 And off to the nurses that help us in the hospital right after we have the baby. 313 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,440 Yes. But they aren't trained the same way as this group is, and that's why we want you to go to 314 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:35,560 this group. Yeah, for sure. And even like when you're looking at therapists, you know, out of 315 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:41,720 school, I can treat feeding disorders as a speech pathologist, but they're not a training, an extra 316 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:49,640 training I did for infant feeding. It just is way different. And it's not the same. And so 317 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:57,480 I always encourage parents, if you're calling like a therapist group, do you work specifically with 318 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,760 infant feeding? Because you can work on feeding disorders, but a two year old feeding disorder 319 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:08,760 is way different than a newborn. Yeah, for sure. I just went all, yeah, I went all the way around. 320 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,840 I don't even remember what the question was. No, you did. That was awesome. We did a great deal. 321 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,560 And that's awesome. But before we leave cranial facial or cranial sacral, rather, I just want 322 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,360 parents to know I'm going to put a link in the bio, the show notes, rather, that the Dr. Stephen 323 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:28,360 Hall's book. He also was, I think, our second or third episode. Okay. If you haven't checked it out, 324 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,240 he does a great job explaining it. And he's up in Seattle. And this is what he does. And it is, 325 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,400 I'm saying this as somebody with a science degree. There is, it's science back and it's not 326 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:43,240 completely woo-woo fascinating, absolutely fascinating and worth exploring. Yeah, it's 327 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:49,000 life changing. For sure. Yes, life changing for sure. It really, really is. So, okay, now let's 328 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:55,400 talk a little bit about nasal hygiene because especially as new moms, we all got that little 329 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:02,840 sucker in your home kit, right? I think we spent like 15 minutes on it during our prenatal classes, 330 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:10,760 but there's so much more to it. So, really, what is nasal hygiene and how does it relate to and why 331 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:17,880 it's so important for oral development? Yeah. You are meant to breathe through your nose only. 332 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:27,480 We are not meant to be mouth breathers. The nose has certain systems in place, right, to filter air, 333 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:34,200 to aid in your health. And so, your chronic mouth breathers, when we're looking at 334 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:41,800 upper respiratory infections and things like that, it matters. And so, nasal hygiene is simply, 335 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,200 it's like brushing your teeth. And sometimes they're like, why don't brush my infant seat? 336 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:53,160 Well, you should. Like getting a little washcloth and wiping the gums down, there's, 337 00:32:53,160 --> 00:33:00,120 I'm a proponent of that. And so, the same goes for nasal hygiene. We should be doing that daily. 338 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:07,320 You can, those little saline nose drops, right? Yeah. You drop them in. The big piece that people 339 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:15,000 miss, though, is that we want baby to be swallowing those, we want it to be going down the whole airway 340 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,960 track. Yeah. It's got to go the whole way, yeah. The whole way. And so, when you drop those nose 341 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:28,120 drops and then we suction it, it just, the whole purpose. It needs to go all the way back. Because 342 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:35,080 that is a big space. And so, we're dropping those drops. And if baby can be hanging off the edge 343 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,880 of your leg, right? Just a little incline and you drop them. And you just wait a couple seconds 344 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,920 and you will see them swallow. It's like, it's really interesting thing to watch. And so, 345 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,320 it's true because you don't think about, there's a hole back there. And it's money that gets scoped 346 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,480 frequently. I'm used to it now, but the first time they go up and back and you're realizing, 347 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,040 wait, you're in my throat. You came this way. It takes you a minute to go through a biology 348 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:03,800 and you realize you thought it was like this, but there's a hole back there. It's a hole cavity. 349 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,440 Yeah. Just let those drops go all the way back because there is a lot of space back there. 350 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:16,040 Yes. That you're just not getting. Correct. It's true. And you're suctioned on the other side of 351 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:22,200 the back. The sucker's not getting back there. And the sucker also, I mean, that's a lot of pressure 352 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,640 in the nasal cavity. And so, I tell parents, if you don't see snot and if you can't get it with 353 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:34,440 your finger, don't use it because you're putting a lot of pressure in that space and it can cause 354 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:41,160 inflammation into the tissues if you use it too much. It's scary. It's intense. It's scary. Yeah. 355 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,920 For a little person, it's unnerving for them. And a lot of times they're doing the nose drops and 356 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:53,720 then they get the sucker. And what babies are doing is they're linking those drops to the trauma 357 00:34:53,720 --> 00:35:00,280 that's about to happen with that sucker. And so now we're tense and yeah. And then in all reality, 358 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:08,360 like the drops itself are fine. They don't mind the drops. And so, using the drops by themselves, 359 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,360 of course, the sucker is there when you need it. But it's not, most of the time it's not. 360 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:19,960 For our babies with reflux, when they are refluxing, it's going into that giant airway space. 361 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:26,840 Okay. And so, I always encourage parents when you, a baby refluxes or you hear them reflux, 362 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:33,080 give them a little support in that airway and do a little nasal hygiene. Help them clear it out. 363 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,960 As your kid gets older, like I teach my kids do their own drops now, but then move their 364 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:45,080 head around, right? Because that space is wide in there. If that drop, let it slosh around in there, 365 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:52,840 right? And then it can be really clearing up. Basically gargling. Yeah. Gargling your nose. 366 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:58,440 Yeah, exactly. And I've seen you talk about that. I'm going to steal that. Do it. It's all yours. 367 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,400 I've seen you talk about this, but I want to make sure you say it on here. Nettie pots. 368 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,440 Uh-huh. How are you feeling about a Nettie pot? Just watching your face. I already know the answer, 369 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,720 but let's talk about Nettie pots because we hear a lot about them. Yeah. I think that it's pretty 370 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:19,720 much like a suction device, right? Because it's only getting, now you see these videos, we're just 371 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:29,960 so much not comes out. And it's pretty intense. It's intense. My goal is to never put that much 372 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:37,720 stress. And I don't, I want to keep this area safe, if that makes sense. They're intense. That's all I 373 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:42,520 can say. I'm not going to tell you that you can't use it. And if you've been using them and you love 374 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:52,360 them, I can't say stop. Right. But like, yeah, there's a better way. I would say there's a better 375 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,640 way. And in a very more non-invasive way. And a lot, and that's a lot for me to say because people 376 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,800 are like, well, what you do in the math is so invasive. Right. And I'm like, so. Yeah, but it's 377 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,600 not traumatic. You're not in there. Yes. Exactly. You're giving it a huge sound and pressure and 378 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:12,760 it's different. It's the pressure that really bothers me. And I mean, of course, I had it done 379 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:18,120 to myself because I never do anything to my babies that I don't do to myself. That includes like what 380 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:25,320 they drink and what they eat. Like I've tried all the formula because I want to know what their 381 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,960 experience is, right? Which you can't really know because everybody's experience is different with 382 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:37,480 everything. But in terms of like how it feels in your body, it's just so intense. And I have to 383 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,040 say in all fairness, I think we've all tried the formula in the restaurant. So let's all just come 384 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,320 out and admit it. We've all done it. It's like your first kid, you're curious. You're there. 385 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:52,040 You're tired. Yeah. Let's see. Let's just see. And I tried a neti pot and I assumed it was because 386 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:58,120 I'm just freakishly skittish about that stuff. I mean, this isn't an outing, right? Things have 387 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,880 come out. This is not an in-eval. So I was already freaked out to start. Yeah. So in all fairness, 388 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,760 I probably am not a good candidate. But yeah, that's not a good one for me. But you put that, 389 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:15,880 like you put that psychological bad already on it. Exactly. But the drops, it's fine. Yes. 390 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:24,040 Drops are fine. I will say too, though, spray can even be intense. Okay. It can't. It can't. 391 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,520 And that took me a while to get used to. But now, I'm okay with spray. Okay. But the neti... 392 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:36,840 Just to put that out there for me. For children, for babies, I would not do a spray. Goodness gracious. 393 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,920 They're so intense. Well, and they have to learn spray. That's hard to teach a tiny person. Yes. 394 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,480 Right? That movement, that little deal you have to do because otherwise it's just coming out. 395 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:57,560 I think we've all experienced that as well. Just watching it drain. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The neti... 396 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,040 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, a lot of times people are like, if you're baby, if you do it on your 397 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:07,080 baby and they're calm and they're fine with it, they keep doing it. I just... Anyway, that's my 398 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:13,400 thoughts on it. I'm right there with you. All right. So now let's talk about the ears. Okay. 399 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,800 Because we know that the ears are going to impact the child, especially with their state 400 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,720 of relaxation. And somehow you can ease digestion with this. Again, it's on your Instagram. That's 401 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:28,200 why I need to ask this. Let's talk about that so parents know what that looks like. And this is 402 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:34,440 another tool they can have in their toolbox. Okay. So the ears are... I love the ears. Okay. 403 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:43,080 The ears don't get enough credit. And when we're looking at the ears and the spaces in the skull, 404 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:51,480 right, they're connected to the throat too. A lot of people don't know that. And so when I talk about 405 00:39:51,480 --> 00:40:00,120 feeding and the tongue and the ear connection, it's huge. There's literally... The elevation of the 406 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:07,400 back of the tongue is how you can drain the ear. There's a muscle responsible for that. And so 407 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:14,360 when we're talking about a baby with low tongue posture and they're never elevating the posterior 408 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,000 tongue because of tension or because of a restriction, we're getting those chronic ear 409 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:26,040 infections. And what I love about making this connection for people is because so often 410 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:33,560 bottle feeding gets blamed for chronic ear infections when really babies moved to the bottle 411 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:39,240 because they couldn't breastfeed, they couldn't breastfeed because they had oral deficits. Right? 412 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:44,280 Now they're getting the ear infections because they have oral deficits. That has nothing to do 413 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,760 with them using the bottle. Right? And that just... It's hard that they're laying down and giving them 414 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,600 a bottle of the good ear infection. And that... No. It's mind-blowing for some. And it really 415 00:40:54,600 --> 00:41:00,920 helps build that connection between what happened right at the beginning and how things can snowball 416 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:08,600 into their own individual issues when it's one big issue. It all goes back to what was happening 417 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:16,440 with baby in the beginning. Yes. In the mouth. And so with that connection with the tongue and 418 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:23,160 feeding and function of the ear, and you get this connection to the jaw too. They're stacked on top 419 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:29,320 of each other. So for having tension being cold here, when we're looking at babies with torticolis, 420 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:35,960 imagine all the tension being pulled on one side. What is that doing to the function of the ear? 421 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,160 So then why does that matter outside of ear infections? Well, then we're looking at the vagus 422 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:47,000 nerve. And the vagus nerve, we know, is stimulated with palate input. Right? That's why the tongue 423 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,840 needs to sit up there. But there's a branch of the vagus nerve that we can reach through the 424 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:59,560 ears and input in the ears. And this is why acu... This goes way back. Acupuncturists have been 425 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:06,280 doing the ears for as long as the world has been here. Years have always been there. They've always 426 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:12,920 been a gateway into helping the body calm. And so getting in the ear, when I say get in the ear, 427 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,000 we're not putting our finger in the ear, right? Your fingers never going in the ear. 428 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,600 Your ear, nothing goes in the ear. Your Q tips that you like, those shouldn't even be going in 429 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:28,120 the ear. Again, this is an Audi nut and in it. So there's nothing in there. And so when we're 430 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:34,760 talking about getting in the ear, I'm talking about energy. I'm talking about placing movement there 431 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:41,880 and moving. Just give it some movement. You will see how I've had adults, of course, 432 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,160 every time I post something for babies, I love the adults who come back and say, 433 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:50,040 oh my God, I did this to myself. You should absolutely do it on yourself. There is nothing 434 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:55,800 I give you to do to your child that you shouldn't do to yourself. Because you absolutely should. 435 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,160 I want you to be able to feel, I give face massage all the time. I want you to feel what it's doing 436 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:08,040 before you do it to them. Absolutely. And so when you're doing the ears, if it's painful, 437 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:14,840 that only tells me that there's tension somewhere in that space that needs to be resolved. 438 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:21,960 Go lighter. We're not going to pain here. Right? Right. Movement shouldn't be painful. 439 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:28,600 And you should be able to move your body without pain in all parts of your body, 440 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:35,160 should move without pain. And when you move and there is discomfort, that's telling you, hey, 441 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:42,680 pay attention to the spot over here because it's not optimal. And so I love working in the ears 442 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:49,240 and babies will melt when you move their ears. Adults will melt when you move their ears. 443 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,760 It's soothing. Because it's that connection piece. 444 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,480 I'm not going to lie. I've done it after some of your videos, because especially, 445 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,640 too, I used to have pain back here. Yes. 446 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,360 Touch it. I couldn't touch it. I would just, I would jump. 447 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,520 Correct. I can touch it now. 448 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:08,280 Uh-huh. And people will come back. Well, when I touch it, it hurts so bad. And I'm like, well, 449 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:14,440 then you should sit in that space a bit. He says, it should not hurt. There is nothing that should 450 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,680 hurt from touch. I had that for years. 451 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,440 Like you should not touch any part of your body. 452 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,560 And just one hair. Yes. 453 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,920 Isn't that amazing? It is amazing. It's wild. It really is. 454 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:33,720 And so yeah, I, yeah, I always, I mean, I love the ears and you just go start with the lightest 455 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:39,560 touch ever because again, babies are so responsive and they will tell you everything you need to 456 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:45,640 know about them. And you could touch any part of their body. I encourage parents to lightly go 457 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:53,000 across their baby's body, going down their spine. And if you see a twinge, don't ignore that. 458 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,960 They are telling you something's there. Sit in that spot. Give it some movement. Go lighter 459 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:05,880 if you need to go lighter. But movement is a response telling us that we need to pay attention. 460 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:11,960 And they, and it's funny too, because they all have different touch points. Not the right word. 461 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,960 I get soothing spots. Yes. 462 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,120 And it's funny to watch them change too, because for example, when my youngest was little, 463 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:24,040 I don't even know why I was just messing with her feet one day and it's this kid turns to jello. 464 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,600 Yes. And so I figured out, well, yeah, sure spot. Well, now she doesn't like her feet touch, 465 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,040 but it's when you were a baby, it was like, you could instantly just, 466 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,920 yeah, it wasn't the same for my first one. Her place was different. I mean, everybody's is, 467 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,880 yeah, and they are different. Just watch them. Yeah, watch them. They will tell you, 468 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,360 this is it. This is what I like. This is what I don't like. Yeah, it works. 469 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,160 You get the opposite too. You'll feel them sort of melt into that. Like you touch and they sort of 470 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,520 just melt into it. And you're like, whoa, this is where I like that. Yeah, exactly. 471 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,840 That's just the feet. And literally all I would have to do is just put my thumb top of their foot 472 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,040 here, the thumb on the bottom. I'm not even putting pressure. And that's all I would do. 473 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:09,400 And she was just asleep. That was it. She was done. No pressure, right? You're using 474 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,400 craniosacral therapy. And I didn't even know. You didn't even know it. 475 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,240 And it's funny doing these when we're talking about the spaces, how it's all connected. 476 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:20,280 Remember when we were all in high school and you always had that one kid in class going, 477 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,120 when will I ever use this? Yeah. 478 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,680 Yeah, I mean, my friend, this is when you're going to use your biology right here. Parenting. 479 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:32,040 You had no idea. You had no idea. Right. All right. So now let's talk a little bit more about 480 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:37,800 oral movements because you have on your Instagram. And the fact that I've mentioned this like 15 times 481 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,000 should be a cute appearance. Please go. But you talk about oral movements or this oral plan. 482 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,880 Yeah. Specifically around the wake up routine. So let's talk about what is this and what are 483 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:54,040 the benefits? So I like a wake up routine. Some people really hate that because I don't know. 484 00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:02,200 The wake up routine that I talk about is just to get awareness. Right? Okay. So when we've been 485 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:10,760 sleeping, what do you do when you wake up? You move, you stretch your body, you yawn, right? 486 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,360 That's to open up that jaw. You go and then you go what? You brush your teeth, you eat, 487 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:25,400 you start talking. Babies don't do that. And even as adults, like having an oral movement routine as 488 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,560 like you go brush your teeth and then you learn some of these oral movements that are in the guide, 489 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,960 parents have come back and been like, it's been my changing. I didn't even know I had tension in 490 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:40,840 my jaw until you start to release that tension and you feel better. Right. And so for babies, 491 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:49,160 all we're doing is providing them that movement to help function because these are all muscles. 492 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:55,400 The tongue is a muscle. The cheek is a muscle. The lips are a muscle. And for any muscle in the 493 00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:02,200 body, movement helps function. It's that simple. And your tongue, by the way, goes all the way down. 494 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:08,760 All the way back. It's connected though, all the way down so that. Oh, yeah. Yes. So your tongue 495 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:14,680 muscle ends here, right? Like the muscle itself. Your fashion. Which is this connective tissue 496 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:21,720 that lays over your entire body, but they have fascial lines. And this one piece of inner webbed 497 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,960 fascial tissue is starts at the tongue and goes all the way down, goes through your diaphragm, 498 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,840 through your stomach, right? Through your hips, down to your knees, into each toe, like down each 499 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:39,880 leg into the toes. So it separates and then goes down. And so that is one line, right? And so 500 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:47,880 when we're talking about waking up, giving movement into that space will only help release. 501 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:57,000 You can feel it everywhere. It's just a beautiful thing. And it's so easy to do. And once you get 502 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,280 comfortable with it, like some parents are just like, I just don't feel comfortable putting that 503 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:07,080 finger in it. It just feels so invasive for them. And I would say to that is, is like, one, do it 504 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:13,560 on yourself because I think that will help you feel the differences. And I think that's important. 505 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:21,560 But to watch your baby, they will tell you if it's too invasive for them, right? And if they are 506 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:27,000 telling you like, stop, then we need to pull back. We need to look at their movements. We need to make 507 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,160 sure that they're not holding tension somewhere. Maybe they're telling us something, right? 508 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:37,000 Something's going on. Yeah. Yes. So if you're in the mouth, it's, I love doing, like when my baby 509 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:43,400 wakes up and we wake up and we go in, it's, she's laughing and she's smiling and we're engaging 510 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,960 and she's starting to move the tongue and you can see it wake up and you can see it. Okay, 511 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:54,840 I'm ready to go, right? Because what do we then do? They want to eat. And so I want to give them 512 00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:01,160 some movement, release some of that tension because they've been sleeping like this all night long, 513 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:08,280 right? So let's, they're trying to open up that line. So let's help them open up that line all 514 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:16,520 the way down to the toes. It's just, I love it. And when I teach parents it, when they watch me do it, 515 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:23,960 they're like, oh, I see it. And we're like, yes, it doesn't have to be this like scary. There's so 516 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:30,280 much information about oral play and how it's, it can be aversive and how it can just damage the baby. 517 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:38,040 Well, then you're doing it wrong. Right? And then that's all I can say because it shouldn't be. 518 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:45,000 And it's a way to directly impact how the tongue is functioning. It's a way to directly see 519 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,400 where we need to focus. And if we need some support as a parent, do we need to bring them to 520 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,920 someone to help them function? Not just in feeding because the tongue is responsible for, like I said, 521 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:03,480 right? Digestion, it's responsible for regulation. It's responsible for the way the palate and the 522 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:11,000 face shapes. It's responsible for draining the ears. Like it's got so much responsibility. Why would we 523 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:17,480 not treat it with a little some respecting and give it some movement? Right? And it's Dr. 524 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:24,840 Clairsdags. It all starts here. Everything you're doing in your body starts here and your 525 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:32,120 health span you're setting your child up for for a life. Yes. Yes. Why are we not engaging with it? 526 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,800 Would be a better question. If it's so important, why do we ignore it? Right? As we didn't know. 527 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:43,400 Yeah. Yeah. But also because people are telling you not to, well, don't do that because they're 528 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,120 going to drink, they're not going to want to eat or they're going to be scared or they're going to 529 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:51,640 have oral aversion. No. Yeah. No. Yeah. That's not going to happen. Yeah. All right. So I will 530 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,280 put a link to that on there, but I'm also going to put a link to your habit track. Oh, okay. Great. 531 00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:01,640 Yeah. So let's talk about that for just a few minutes. What is this and how is it? Yeah. So I 532 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,600 actually use it and I created it because somebody was like, I just can't get it in a routine. There's 533 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,960 just a rhythm and I know that the oral play helps. Like when I do it, I see change in my baby, 534 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:17,800 but I just can't get into a routine. And so habit stacking is really important for me to lose. So 535 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:25,560 I have four kids, eight to four months old, it's chaos and I totally get it. And so like habit 536 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:33,080 stacking is how I get these things in. Like we do nasal hygiene, oral activities every single day 537 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:41,160 with teeth brushing. That is what I have habits stacked it to. Everyone, everyone can agree that 538 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:49,640 they brush their teeth. Right. Nobody disagrees with that process. And so we all do it. So since 539 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,680 we all do that, we're all in front of the mirror. We're always in the bathroom doing it. Let's habit 540 00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:01,240 stack it. Meaning we're also going to have our nasal drop sitting next to the toothbrush. Each kid 541 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:05,160 has their own little name on it. Right. So they know which one is theirs. And then we're going to 542 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:11,080 have this habit tracker. And as your kids get older, you're not in there with them brushing 543 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:17,000 their teeth anymore. Right. So my oldest is eight. He goes into the bathroom, he does his routine, 544 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,440 and he's checking off his stretches and oral activities himself. And the six year old is 545 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,880 getting better at it. The four year old and the infant, I'm in the bathroom in front of the mirror 546 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:34,040 and we're doing it together. But you're in there with them brushing their teeth. So at 30 seconds, 547 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:39,960 right, this is not meant to be a 30 minute activity. We are meant to be there. I mean, 548 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,320 max maybe three minutes, right. So well, two minutes brushing your teeth. So maybe five. 549 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,440 You do your nasal drops is 10 seconds. And you're as they get better at the activities, 550 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:58,040 it gets quicker. They can start doing it themselves. And it gets easier. But when you have an infant, 551 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:03,000 like we're sitting in the mirror and I'm doing her activity, I would say I do it for 60 seconds. 552 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,840 It also depends on what she is, right. Because if she's a little overtired, I might just go 553 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,640 in, do a little quick thing and then we're leaving. The key is that we always are doing it. 554 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:17,560 Because that's how you build habit one, but that's also how you build the expectation that this is 555 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:23,240 what we do. What you do. We brush teeth, we do our nose and we do our stretch because this is how 556 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:27,880 we keep our body healthy. And as they get older too, you can start talking to them about, well, 557 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:33,240 why do we do these stretches, right? Because our tongue needs to sit on the top of our mouth. 558 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:38,520 And we need to be relaxed in that space because our brain needs to feel good so that we can get 559 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:43,800 strong and you can start talking to them about it. They are very smart. Which is huge. Yes. And 560 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,280 then is they are going to want to be a part of it. And it's funny when I heard you talk about this 561 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,680 the first time, and I think a lot of people do this, right? You try to relate to it. And I flash 562 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:59,480 back to moments with my oldest when she was two and three and four. And you don't realize, I miss 563 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,160 those moments every evening when we would go in together because it was just us. And she'd get 564 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,760 on that stool and she's brushing her teeth and watching her face and we're talking. And 565 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:13,480 you look, it's actually such a precious, just little microcosm of your day. Yes. But she talked. 566 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,920 We could talk about things. And I'm thinking, wow, if I had known about all this, 567 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,560 we could have been talking about these things because she's so relaxed and open. 568 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:27,640 Yes. And it was not a big deal. And we're singing songs. And yes, you make it enjoyable. Then, 569 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,960 yes, they're going to respond to it. And then now they're eight, nine, 10, and they're doing it on 570 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:37,640 their own. Correct. Yeah. It's not we're holding them down and we're like putting our hands in their 571 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:43,160 mouth. Because then they're not going to do it, right? So try to enjoy it. It's good. Let's go do it. 572 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,640 It's just, and then of course, you're going to have nights where they're like, no, no, right? 573 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:52,920 That's a toddler. I mean, a 15, 18 month old, or like the worst age, goodness gracious, 574 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,480 but they're no, and they learn it and you're like, but then you come up with your strategies. 575 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:04,200 Okay. Well, we can, what song do you want to sing while we do our stretches? Or what number do you 576 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,600 want to count to? Because they just want that little piece of control, right? We're telling them, 577 00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:14,120 we have to do this in this, but, and they're just trying to pull some control. So give them some, 578 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:21,560 give them an option. And it's the point is like, well, we're doing it, but how can we make this 579 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:27,240 where you are understanding the importance, but also not screening because that defeats the whole 580 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:31,400 purpose, right? And then they're stressed in there. You're stressed in here. We're talking about, 581 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,320 right? And everybody's got to go get cranial sacral and it's just the big, it's just, 582 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,200 so at the end of every episode, I always hand it back to you, our guests, because 583 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:46,040 you are the expert. And I ask for your final thought that you want to leave our parents. 584 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,320 Yeah. Oh my gosh. We talked about a lot of stuff. 585 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,360 We did. And by the way, and I'll say it again, we talked about this much and your Instagram is 586 00:56:54,360 --> 00:57:00,840 like this much. Please go check it out. We talked about a lot of stuff. I guess I, I always just 587 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:08,200 want to stress like the mouth is, it just doesn't, it's so important and it can really change your 588 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:14,040 child's whole trajectory of their life. And that's not even like putting it mildly. Everything, 589 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:20,760 how they're regulated is so big, right? The tongue needs, I don't care what, 590 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:27,640 who else someone is saying, but the tongue needs to be up on the palate space with them 591 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:34,520 breathing through their nose. But on the flip side, let's not become obsessive with it, right? 592 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,960 So many parents are they're going to hear this and they're going to say, well, my baby's a 593 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,440 mouth breather. It's going to impact their whole life. Yes. But here's these strategies that 594 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,720 we're going to do. We're going to start to implement these things. It's going to, it's going to take 595 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:55,080 time and that's okay. We can only do what we can do and we can only do with what the information 596 00:57:55,080 --> 00:58:02,680 you have, right? We're not going to spiral because that can happen. And we're going to take 597 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,840 these little tidbits. We're going to start watching our babies more. We're going to start 598 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,960 incorporating these things because now we are aware of the importance of the mouth and how it 599 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:17,560 can impact their life. And that was the biggest step to me. That's the biggest hurt. 600 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:23,000 Is the awareness part, it's like, no, right? Once you know it and then you can either see it in your 601 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,920 child and go, oh, mouth breather, got it. Or now understand it and you look at your child and go, 602 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,800 nope, this one's okay. Let's just build. Yes. And knowing and understanding that's the biggest 603 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:40,840 hurdle. Yeah. And that, like, great. Now you have this information. I just so many times parents 604 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,560 are messaging me. My baby is, my, you know, my eight month old is, I just realized he's the 605 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,480 mouth breather. He's been doing his whole life and it's just like going down the spiral of all 606 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,520 these things that now it's clicking. Oh, this is why you couldn't do this. And this is why you 607 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,840 couldn't do this. And this is why you couldn't do this. And this is why you couldn't do this. And 608 00:58:54,840 --> 00:59:03,160 every parent will have that moment. First, it's okay. Like we can, we are where we are right now. 609 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,840 Right. You can't go back. Here's where we are. How do we move forward? 610 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:12,040 We can go forward and we can go forward slowly and it's not going to be an overnight fix. It will 611 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,280 not be an overnight fix. No, no, that's the other thing. There's never a fixed fix for this. No. 612 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:21,400 It's a process. It's a process. Because, yes, you are training your body, you are 613 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:28,520 unlearning their body to learn something new. And that's hard. That's hard. So, but we have, 614 00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,360 there's things we're doing and we're doing the best we can and we love our children and 615 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:38,120 my kids will still like, they'll be watching TV. If you don't put your tongue, it's supposed to be. 616 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:44,520 Yeah. And they all have like devices. We call them devices in our family and they're really just, 617 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,360 is anybody familiar with the myo-munchie? I was about to say the myo-munchie. Yep. 618 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,800 So they're dupes for the myo-munchie. They're just toothbrushes, those U-shaped toothbrushes. 619 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,160 Yeah. I can't help off and I put those in between your teeth. 620 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:03,160 And they, I was like, go get your device. Because sometimes we, as adults, we need reminders, right? 621 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,480 Look how I'm sitting the whole time. Sit up, right? I don't know how many times a day I catch 622 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,600 myself doing this. You catch yourself, right? More comfortable. Yeah. So, it's like your body 623 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:19,560 goes into path of least resistance. Yeah. Like, yeah. And so it takes time and it's okay that 624 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:24,840 they need reminders and it's okay that you go get in slumps, right? We'll just get right back up and 625 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:31,400 we'll make it better. It's okay. That's my message. It is okay. Just breathe. Yeah. Breathe. 626 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:36,120 Well, I can tell you it was an absolute delight to have you on. I'm so glad I've been looking forward 627 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,520 to this. So thank you for coming on and sharing so much. Really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. 628 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:50,040 Thank you. Thanks again to today's guests, Mallory Roberts, for being on the show and to each of you 629 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:55,240 for listening to today's episode. You can stay connected with the Children's Airway First Foundation 630 01:00:55,240 --> 01:01:02,920 by following us on Instagram, Facebook, X, LinkedIn, and YouTube. Don't forget to subscribe to the 631 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:08,520 Airway First podcast on your favorite podcasting platform so you won't miss an upcoming episode. 632 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,840 If you'd like to be a guest or have an idea for an upcoming show, shoot us a note via the 633 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:20,360 contact page on our website or send us an email directly at infoatchildrensairwayfirst.org. 634 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:25,960 Today's episode was written and directed by Rebecca St. James, video editing and promotion by Ryan 635 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:32,360 Draughan, and guest outreach by Christy Bochinkan. And finally, thanks to all the parents and medical 636 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,680 professionals out there that are working hard to help make the lives of kids around the globe 637 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,960 just a little bit better. Take care, stay safe, and happy breathing, everyone.