1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,800 Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of The 2 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:36,800 Children's Airway First Foundation. I'm your host, Rebecca St. James. 3 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:47,800 My guest today is Dr. Mark Levi. Dr. Levi has over 30 years' experience as a dentist and over 20 years in craniofacial dental sleep medicine. 4 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:58,800 He's a member of the Australian Sleep Association, the American Academy of Dental Sleep Medicine, and the European Academy of Dental Sleep Medicine. 5 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:05,800 As a former sufferer of sleep apnea himself, Dr. Levi understands the problem from all perspectives. 6 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:14,800 He also has the technical expertise to provide the best customized and appropriate solutions to suit each of his patients' individual needs. 7 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:24,800 He has trained in the U.S. with many of the world's leading sleep experts and can often be seen on national television and lecturing around the world. 8 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:32,800 You can find out more about Dr. Levi at drlevi.com.au. 9 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,800 And now let's jump into today's episode with Dr. Mark Levi. 10 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:44,800 All right, good morning. I guess good morning to you, Dr. Levi. Thank you so much for joining us. 11 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Hi, Rebecca. Hi. Happy, uh, good morning to you from sunny 6 a.m. Australia. 12 00:01:51,800 --> 00:02:00,800 Nice. Nice. Yep. Still, uh, February 29th over here. So just the afternoon. 13 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:07,800 So I got, I got your call from, um, I got your call and you said, Hey, we want to talk to you, Mark. 14 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,800 And I thought, uh, I'm getting out of bed for Rebecca. 15 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:26,800 And I think it's a, to be able to, uh, uh, educate more moms and dads and disseminate more information about kids and, and really kids who, by the way, kids turn into adults. 16 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,800 Right. 17 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,800 It's a pleasure to be able to hang out with you for an hour and have a chat, Rebecca. 18 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,800 Yeah. 19 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,800 What can I do for you? 20 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:48,800 Um, and I'll make sure I'll put the links and anything we talk about in our show notes for folks. But, um, if anybody wants to check out your website, they can really get a good understanding of, of what you do. 21 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:59,800 But I thought it would be better if we had a conversation to talk about how I knew you said you started with adults. How did you end up, you know, focusing on children? 22 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:05,800 And what exactly do you do with pediatric craniofacial sleep medicine? 23 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:12,800 Wow. Good questions. How many hours a week? Oh, Rebecca, as much time as you want. 24 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:20,800 Well, I'm in a, I'm in America next next week. So maybe we'll just carry on and hang out. So, uh, come on. 25 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:27,800 Maybe we'll do that. Look, uh, I gave a lecture in California not long ago and I introduced myself. 26 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,800 A bunch of medical people. 27 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,800 I introduced myself as an oral real estate agent. 28 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,800 Okay. 29 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,800 Sadly, no one laughed. They were a tough crowd. 30 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:53,800 And, and so I like to think, I mean, I'm going to come back to this, but I like to think I'm just, you know, I've got a dentist degree in Australia about 100 years ago because I'm old. 31 00:03:53,800 --> 00:04:05,800 And, and, uh, I've got a dentist degree. And so I'm a dentist really. I've just a little old dentist in the city of Sydney, looking over the harbor and the opera house. 32 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:13,800 And, and so I just tell people all day long, I'm in the oral real estate business. 33 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,800 But the real question, you know, is how did I get to where I got to? 34 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:29,800 And that's a good story. So when I was 13, I suppose I was still bedwetting a lot every night. 35 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:47,800 And, um, uh, you know, I had a lot of jaw problems, I suppose at 18 and, you know, I was a, uh, my parents weren't, um, educated or wealthy or, uh, so, you know, 36 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:53,800 we just blotted along. You just got on with life. But I was, I was really heavy, judy bedwetting. 37 00:04:53,800 --> 00:05:03,800 And so, and then I had roaring asthma. I almost died as a child out of asthma, went to hospital a couple of times, rushed to hospital, not went to hospital, rushed to hospital a couple of times. 38 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:10,800 And so you get me at 20, 25, and I've got a dentist degree from Sydney University. 39 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:21,800 So mum and dad are proud of me. And then I get to 40 and, and picture this on, uh, on Venice Beach, California picture this on, well, it's a Boundite Beach, Australia. 40 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:27,800 I can run 10 Ks on the soft sand. That's an hour of running on the soft sand of the beach. 41 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,800 I'm weighing about 70 kilos, which I don't know if that is in stones, but it's pretty slim and trim. 42 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:44,800 And I go to the doctor because I've got a little bit of snoring going on. And my buddy says, Hey Mark, you've got this roaring Olympic gold medal sleep apnea. 43 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:55,800 And you know, you'll probably die, but we'll give you a, we'll give you a CPAP machine and, um, I suppose you'll be okay. 44 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:04,800 And so, uh, I drove back to the office, cried the whole way because I thought, what is this thing I've got 25 years ago? 45 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:15,800 Uh, and, uh, jumped on a plane about a month later to the US. And so I suppose I've got about, I've been going to the US for about 20, 25 years, I suppose. 46 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:16,800 Okay. 47 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,800 Um, and that's where I started. I started being a patient. 48 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:31,800 Uh, and spent a lot of time doing adults, been about 10, 20 years doing adults and, and being very clever at making mandibular advancement splints. 49 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:40,800 Um, so I probably wore a mandibular advancement splint for, I don't know, 20 years. 50 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:50,800 Because I wore CPAP for three years. And then, uh, and then after that, uh, I fell into kids about eight years ago. 51 00:06:50,800 --> 00:07:01,800 And so that's my story. And so I want to make, I want to make a timeline date for Rebecca and then I'll sort of stop talking for a second, maybe have a glass of water. 52 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:07,800 But here's the timeline. I think we, I think we invented sleep. 53 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:20,800 You know, the scientists about 40 years ago, they remember the story. I think it was a Russian Jewish New York doctor and the kid had the MRI machine on and it started making a noise and they worked out the brain was busy. 54 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,800 And I, I think that was 1960, but don't test me. Don't test me. 55 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:32,800 And then, you know, the adult dental sleep, I think is about 30 years old. 56 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,800 And I like to think the children's stuff's about 15 years old. 57 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:48,800 And so the reason I say all that, and my dates might be wrong, but you know, I've got a lot of patients, you might have them in America, Rebecca, where they talk to their phones. 58 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,800 And a lot of, a lot of patients that have those electric cars that don't take petrol. 59 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,800 And years ago, people had mobile phones. 60 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:04,800 And so changes. So what I tell every single solitary patient that sees me. 61 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:18,800 And we see people that fly in an hour to see me, not because I'm smart, just because there's no one around is because is that I've had a long story of skin in the game and I've got to fix my grandkids because of epigenetics. 62 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Right, right. 63 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:31,800 And, and the world changes and what we know in the last five or 10 years is different to what we knew 25 years ago. 64 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:39,800 And so what we did 25 years ago that was sort of normal acceptable is no longer normal and acceptable. 65 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,800 And so I'm pretty passionate about the fact that we need to get all the kids looked at. 66 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:45,800 That's pediatrics. 67 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:51,800 That's all I do. I do 90% pediatrics these days, kids and about 10% adults. 68 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Very good at adults. 69 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,800 Hard work. 70 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:04,800 And, and, and we need to fix, we need to help the next generation so that they don't turn into Mark Levi's at 40 years of age. 71 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,800 Does that make sense, Rebecca? 72 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,800 That absolutely makes sense. That absolutely makes sense. 73 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:14,800 And it's interesting because we do talk on here a lot about several things, right? 74 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:20,800 You don't know what you don't know. So as parents, we didn't know we've missed all the signs. 75 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:26,800 In the medical field, it wasn't talked about 10, 15, 20 years ago. So we've missed a lot. 76 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:42,800 And I think we're all so passionate about the children, because if you can fix it with them as to your point, they don't end up like the rest of us with these conditions that could have been treated. 77 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:50,800 Correct. I mean, why, why are you talking to me in Australia? This is a dumb ass question. 78 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:56,800 I mean, I'm just, you know, you guys, you guys all think I'm in Austria or somewhere. 79 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,800 You think we've got kangaroos dumping down the street. 80 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:08,800 I mean, I talk to America every couple of days or my pals in America and, you know, why do you think you're talking to me, Rebecca, in Australia? 81 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,800 What's your story? Why, why are we talking? 82 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,800 You've got, you've got some of, you've got my best heroes in America. 83 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:20,800 You've got my absolute Olympic heroes living in America. Why talk to me? 84 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:28,800 Well, because you are one of the best. And I'll tell you, we've also spoken with David McIntosh and Sharon Moore. 85 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:34,800 We love Sharon Moore. This is a global pandemic. It is everywhere. This is not an American issue. 86 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:44,800 This is a global issue. And we have talked to guests from all over the world because it is going to take all of us. 87 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:51,800 And you have to take the information from the best all the way around the world and put it together so we can figure out how to handle this. 88 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,800 That's why I'm talking to you. 89 00:10:53,800 --> 00:11:16,800 Yeah. Touche. Touche. Touche. You know, I tell parents, parents often come to us and, well, we start with a consultation for kids and we muck around with the kids and we laugh our head off and we poke them and we have a laugh and kids think we're silly and so is my four year old granddaughter. 90 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:25,800 She told me not to be silly at her birthday party. Grandpa, can you, is grandpa coming? Tell him not to be silly, mummy. So four years old. 91 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:31,800 So the mums are amazed. Amazed. 92 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:47,800 When they tell us a 10 minute crying story, they don't understand why we go, oh yeah, that makes sense and that's normal and we hear that every day and yeah, okay, well, let's turn it around. 93 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:58,800 And so they don't cry. Well, they do cry. They do cry. And I'll tell you why they cry. They cry because it's the first person that's listened to them for more than a six minute appointment. 94 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:11,800 The first person's actually said, well, we hear that every day and we see that every day and we know why and we can turn it around. And that's not because anybody in my office is a, you know, superstar. 95 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:18,800 It's just because that's what we do every day and we hear it every day and we want to turn it around every day. 96 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:27,800 And so let me tell you, Rebecca, what we hear every day because it's, it's, it's, I always say what you said. 97 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,800 90% of my medical dental allied health world. 98 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:38,800 90% I say no statistical data behind it. 99 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,800 Don't know what they don't know yet. 100 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:49,800 I don't know if that's right, but it sure feels right based on what we've experienced and we hear from parents, they're just looking for validation. 101 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:57,800 They go into the pediatrician and they say, no, that doesn't exist or they'll grow out of it. So 90 is probably a pretty good guess. 102 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:05,800 I saw a patient last week. I'm going to give you one example and I'll give you a second example. But so I looked at it because I grew up on sleep tests. 103 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:15,800 We, at one stage we had three offices and about 50 staff and I was with a lung doctor and I got published in Europe in the sleep journals. 104 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:25,800 And so, you know, that's where I started with sleep testing. So there's mom chasing this sleep test she had done for this little, I don't know, five, six, seven, eight year old. 105 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:36,800 And so I looked at it and I read and I knew, I knew who'd signed it off and, and it said mild sleep disorder, breathing or mild sleep acne. 106 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,800 And then the treatment under underneath said watch and wait. 107 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:54,800 So I said, I said to the mom, I said to the mom, do you know what this means? And she said, what does it mean, Dr. Mark? 108 00:13:54,800 --> 00:14:01,800 And I said, what means you child's not breathing properly? And she said, well, isn't it mild sleep after a mild sleep disorder breathing? 109 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:10,800 And I said, and this is a big important thing in my office, Rebecca, we don't use labels. I don't see the point of using a big label. 110 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:20,800 I don't see the point of using a word like sleep fragmentation or upper airway resistance syndrome for a 35 year old woman that's got neck, back, 111 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:26,800 anxiety, libido problems, grinding a teeth, waking up feeling lousy and struggling to get through the day. 112 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:33,800 Why the heck would you want to call that upper airway resistance syndrome when you just tell up that her mouth's not big enough. 113 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:41,800 She's breathing through a one bedroom apartment, not a six bedroom mansion in Malibu and that she's not breathing properly. 114 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,800 Why do we have to use labels? Anyway, that's just a little pet hobby of mine. 115 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,800 So this lady said to me, so I said, what's she said, what's it mean? 116 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,800 And I said, well, it means your child's not breathing. She goes, is that bad? 117 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,800 I said, I don't know if you want him to live. It's only bad if you want him to live. 118 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:03,800 And the doctor said, wait and watch. And I said, well, he's waiting until the child gets a lot, lot, lot worse. 119 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,800 And then I looked at the, I looked at it, I took my glasses off. 120 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:13,800 And I said, do you think I should be driving on the road without my glasses? 121 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Or do you think I should wait till I'm blind or I crash the car? 122 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,800 And she said, well, you need glasses on to drive the car. 123 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,800 And I went, well, I've had lots of pairs of glasses. I mean, I'm not waiting for it to get worse. 124 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,800 And so that was, that's my pet hop. That's a pet peeve. 125 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:37,800 And just to break up what I'm ranting about, let me show you one or two slides. 126 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,800 Okay. One sec. 127 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:47,800 And we hear that a lot too. A lot of parents, that's just their frustration is they get a lot of, they'll grow out of it. 128 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,800 Or let's just watch it. 129 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:57,800 No, they don't grow out of it. They turn into Mark Leibar. Give me a ring and I'll actually on my, on my website. 130 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:04,800 On my website, Rebecca, I don't know why I did it. I wrote a really, really long bio. I'm not sure why. 131 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,800 I've done some TV. I've done a lot of TV. I've done a lot of this and a lot of that. 132 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,800 And I've lectured around the world and, and I just get off in the kids. 133 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,800 Otherwise, they'd be sailing three times a week, four times a week. 134 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:23,800 We get a great heart in front of us and I'm getting to be, I'm getting to, I'm not old, but I'm, I'm old. 135 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,800 And so I just tell my, I'm only turning up for the kids so they don't turn into me. 136 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,800 And otherwise I'm sailing three or four times a week. 137 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:36,800 And so, and so, no, I lost that train of thought because I was laughing to myself so much. 138 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,800 I apologize, Rebecca. Forgive me. Forgive me. 139 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,800 That's okay. 140 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,800 Okay. So let's go back to work. 141 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,800 Okay. 142 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,800 See, see, can you see this slide on the screen? 143 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,800 Yes. 144 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,800 So we show the mums this. 145 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,800 So this is a kid I saw, this is a kid I saw last week. 146 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:11,800 Now remember on a zoom and I'm talking to America and, you know, we're not having a consultation and I thought I'd throw some slides in just to show mums and dads, a little bit of context and a little bit of visual. 147 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,800 So, well, we sing a little song here because there's, I don't know if I can sing for you. 148 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:24,800 It's too early in the morning. Eyes and nose and lips and chin, chop teeth and bottom teeth and tongue. 149 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,800 I can see an airway, see an airway and a spine as well. 150 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:34,800 So, so we sing the kids a song, but see this airway here. That's red. Okay. 151 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,800 It's made to be bright green. 152 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,800 Right. If you look at the numbers, it's meant to be 24,000 units, 2400 units. 153 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,800 And this airway is, I don't know, 50 units. I mean, it's meant to be bright green. 154 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,800 But there's a worst one I saw this week. I saw a worst one. Where was, where's my worst one? 155 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,800 So share the screen mark. 156 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,800 I don't know if it's interesting to you, Rebecca, or whether you've seen it. 157 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:08,800 It always fascinates me, especially when I see those and they come from a place of wait and see. It just, it astounds me. 158 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,800 If you give me five seconds. 159 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,800 I'm very, they tell me I'm good at what I do, but I'm not good at it. 160 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:23,800 So, okay. So, you know what was good about COVID? 161 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:24,800 What? 162 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:25,800 Zoom. 163 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,800 Yeah, everybody. 164 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,800 We do so much zoom now. Now, can you see, can you see that on the screen or not? 165 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,800 I can. 166 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:40,800 It's another kid. This two kids in one week. Now, this is a part to breathe through. Okay. 167 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:41,800 Right. 168 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:47,800 This way till mom and dad, we're talking real estate here. Remember, I'm an oral real estate agent. 169 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:56,800 And how, you know, how you meant to get air through that, through that, through that point, through that, whatever that is, whatever that is. 170 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,800 And, and you wonder why, and it says that I know for a fact, this is for that 5000 units. 171 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,800 And I know for a fact that it's meant to be 15,000 units. 172 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:15,800 I mean, how well I would have done a change. So how do you, that's just terrible. Now, because I'm on my computer. 173 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,800 And I've pressed a button. 174 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,800 Can you see that class one inclusion there? 175 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,800 Yes. 176 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:31,800 That's a normal 12 year old with about a 4045 millimeter maxilla. 177 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:43,800 Tethal vertical lined up midline. No gummy smile. No crowding. That's mother nature. We never see that anymore. We see one of those a year. 178 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,800 The first person that has said that. 179 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,800 Sorry. 180 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:57,800 You're not the first person that's come on and said that Dr. Moralia has actually said these unicorn children that he just rarely sees. 181 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Yeah, well, that's not good. 182 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:05,800 Now, how do I reverse. 183 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,800 Mark, what else have I got here? What have I done? 184 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,800 Hang on one sec. 185 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:19,800 And I've got to get out of this and I don't know how to. So I'm looking for the exit button. It must be an exit button somewhere. 186 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,800 To lead. 187 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,800 And what do I do that? 188 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,800 Okay. 189 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,800 I apologize. You'll have to cut this out. Oh, look at that. Anyway, wow, I must have put that on the screen. 190 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,800 Look at that. Can you see that on the screen Rebecca or not? 191 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:48,800 Yeah. Yeah. So the trachea looks so tiny right where I guess what is that the tongue or the teeth are coming back into it and then it just opens up wide. 192 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,800 Are your are your mums and dads familiar with this or do you want me to explain it? 193 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,800 No, explain it. 194 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,800 Please do. 195 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,800 Okay. Okay. So that's your eyes. 196 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,800 That's your nose. 197 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,800 That's your top tooth front. That's your lips and your chin. 198 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,800 So that's the front of the face nose, lips, chin nose, lips, chin with Mr. Rebecca. 199 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,800 I am. 200 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,800 And then there's a tongue there. 201 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,800 Okay. 202 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:27,800 And then behind the tongue is an airway to put air down there. And if you don't get air for I think it's three or four or five minutes to going to die. 203 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:36,800 And so that's the pipe. There's only one pipe in the whole body to get air down the lungs. Only one pipe. It starts around about here somewhere. Okay. 204 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:43,800 So don't get complicated with tonsils and adenoids and don't get complicated with the nose and don't get complicated with the mouth. Just don't get complicated. 205 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,800 Keep it really, really dumb. Keep it really, really dumb in my office. 206 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:55,800 There's a and we went to the hardware store, you know, your whatever your hardware store schooled over there. We got bunnings over here. 207 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:04,800 And I bought a bit of plumbing pipe. Okay. And I hold it in front of the patients about the size of an airway. It's about that long. 208 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:11,800 And I say, look, if that pipe doesn't work, you're in trouble. And you know who I love. I love my plumbers and my tradesman. 209 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:20,800 And the reason I'm dwelling on this is because parents, parents look at this and go, well, that makes sense. That's not complicated. 210 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:28,800 My child hasn't got some weird disease. My child hasn't got cancer. My child hasn't got some label. My child just can't breathe. 211 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:38,800 And they go, um, and why and what and how do you reverse it and la la la. But that's that's a really cool slide from a CBCT to show a parent. 212 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:45,800 Look, I mean, this, this is it, we could take this x-ray 10 times in 10 days and it probably will change a little bit. 213 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:52,800 But it's still basically, that's where you're up to, you know, that's where you're at to. So let's get, see if I can get out of the screen. 214 00:22:52,800 --> 00:23:05,800 Because I'm having a problem getting back to you, Rebecca. I've lost you totally. So we stop for a sec. 215 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,800 Okay, I've got another screenshot there. We're going to have to stop at some, you're going to have to edit me, Rebecca. 216 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,800 That's fine. Oh, that's fine. 217 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:20,800 There's one of my favorite slides. I like this kid. Williams, a great kid. He's a great kid. 218 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:26,800 So eyes, nose, lips, chin. You with me still? I am. 219 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:35,800 And so there's your, there's your pipe without color. So top tooth, bottom tooth, chin, tongue. 220 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,800 Is there enough space in there for the tongue to sit? You know, I'm an oral riddle stat agent. 221 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:47,800 Is there six bedrooms? Is it big enough for the tongue or is, or a three kids mum and dad living in a one bedroom studio apartment? 222 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,800 And is that airway pipe going to work properly? Okay. 223 00:23:51,800 --> 00:24:03,800 And that, and that, that's, that's tiny. That's 3.9 is a pinch. That's just tiny. That's just, and I want to, I want to teach you something with a lady named Linda Oistram out of, out of Sweden. 224 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:16,800 They did a research paper in not 2000 and 2016, I think. And so see that dot there. Can you see that dot there? Yes. 225 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,800 That's the end of the bone. I think it's foramen magnum. It's a, it's a bone. Okay. That's a spine. 226 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,800 And, and see that dot there. That's, that's soft tissue. That's the wobbly bit at the back of the throat. 227 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:34,800 There's a bone at the end of the, that's the top of the hard pallets. That's the top of your mouth. That's the nose. 228 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,800 So there's a bone that ends there and a bone that ends there. Okay. 229 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:50,800 Okay. And Linda will tell us that if we make the oral real estate bigger, bigger, much bigger inside the mouth, that the space that that distance from there to there will increase. 230 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,800 Okay. 231 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,800 Now that is the coolest research in the last couple of years to make us all get excited. 232 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,800 Yes. 233 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,800 That we tell, we tell a mum and dad, we're going to mark around in the mouth. 234 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:10,800 We're going to shove stuff in the mouth that looks like a, looks like a dentist or look like an older dentist or looks like, you know, someone like that. 235 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:23,800 And, and we can make, we can make real estate in the nose, the sinuses, even back here. There's a domino effect of what, what, what gets bigger. Did that make some sense? 236 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:31,800 It does. It does. And, and making it bigger means you're growing it forward. Correct. 237 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,800 Say that again. 238 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:38,800 Is, is the main focus to grow it forward to pull the jaw and everything forward. 239 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,800 I'm going to say I'm not smart enough to answer that question. 240 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,800 I'm going to say this because I like to keep it simple. 241 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,800 I like to say, we're just going to, we're just going to grow. 242 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,800 So, you know, there are much more scientifically smarter people you can interview than me. 243 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,800 I'm an outcome guy. 244 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,800 And I just want to see the before and the after. 245 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:10,800 And I want to see the after and I want to hear the after. 246 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:40,800 You're listening to Airway First with today's guest, Dr. Mark Levi. 247 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:49,800 You can find out more about the Children's Airway 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jump back into today's episode. 255 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,800 So you asked me a question, Rebecca. 256 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,800 And you asked me an intelligent question about whether I'm moving the jaw forward and growing it forward. 257 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,800 And here's what I said to the mums and dads. 258 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,800 I said to mums and dads, I'm an oral real estate agent. 259 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:27,800 And I said to them, I just want the top jaw to grow. 260 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,800 I want the bottom jaw to grow. 261 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,800 I want the nose space to grow. 262 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,800 I want the sinus space to grow. 263 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,800 I want the tongue space to grow. 264 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,800 I want the teeth space to grow. 265 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:55,800 And I want the airway space in front of tonsils and adenoids down to the airway to grow. 266 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:06,800 And so I just tell them I want them to go from a one bedroom New York loft studio apartment with five children to a six bedroom mallet. 267 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,800 Well, not even. 268 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:18,800 I want to ranch in Texas with lots of a big house with six bedrooms and a heliport and a triple garage swimming pool in a tennis court. 269 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,800 There you go. 270 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,800 And they understand that language because I said, you just don't, this kid just does not have the space. 271 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,800 So then they say things like, well, what's the problem? 272 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:38,800 Or is it the nose or is it the tonsils or, oh, it's just the tongue is it? 273 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,800 And I like to keep it really, really dumb. 274 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,800 And I say, I say no. 275 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:53,800 I say it's the cranio facial respiratory complex. 276 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,800 And that's the whole thing above your shoulders. 277 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,800 Yeah, everything. 278 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,800 So the thing above your shoulder. 279 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,800 So the thing above your shoulders is the thing that helps you breathe. 280 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,800 And it's a it's a multi factorial complicated little thing. 281 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,800 It's about our biology. 282 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,800 It's about tongue ties. 283 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:13,800 It's about freedoms. 284 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,800 It's about tissue. 285 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,800 It's a it's about weight. 286 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,800 It's about posture. 287 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,800 It's about breathing. 288 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,800 It's about breathing. 289 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,800 It's about real estate. 290 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,800 It's about bone size. 291 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800 It is multi factorial. 292 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,800 So does that help you, Rebecca? 293 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,800 It does. 294 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,800 It does. 295 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,800 So I tell you what, go. 296 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,800 Yeah, no, go ahead. 297 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,800 I got, I've got two stories for you. 298 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,800 Okay. 299 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,800 What's the common? 300 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,800 What's the cause I'm, I'm, I'm trying to relate to mums and dads. 301 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,800 Okay. 302 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,800 Okay. 303 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,800 So I'll tell you two stories. 304 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,800 I'll tell you a couple of stories. 305 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,800 Number one, they walk in the door. 306 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,800 We always, we talked them on the phone. 307 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,800 We consult with them. 308 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,800 I'm trying to use fingers. 309 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,800 We talk on the phone. 310 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,800 And screen them. 311 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,800 Because a lot of them are flying in to see us. 312 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,800 I mean, you're going to show them some respect. 313 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,800 You then do a consultation. 314 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,800 You then do a lot of metric measurements. 315 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,800 You then go and talk to the parents. 316 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,800 That's four steps so far. 317 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,800 And I still haven't done anything. 318 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,800 Right. 319 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,800 And often the parents say somewhere along there, well, 320 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,800 what's it look like at the end? 321 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,800 What do you, you know, what do you do? 322 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,800 What, what's it look like? 323 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,800 And I say to them, well, I've got a dental degree. 324 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,800 So I'm going to shove something in your kid's mouth. 325 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,800 And I say, the girls had me saying that because I'm not allowed to say that in 326 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,800 the office because, you know, I get in trouble, 327 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,800 but I'm just going to shove something in their mouth. 328 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,800 And they say, really? 329 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,800 Is that awful? 330 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,800 And I go, no, they say, is the kid happy? 331 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,800 I go, is the kid happy now? 332 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,800 So you look happy now? 333 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,800 Yeah. 334 00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,800 Well, we're going to give him happy. 335 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,800 And they go, but what do you, what are you putting in your mouth? 336 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,800 What's it look like? 337 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,800 And I go, well, I don't know. 338 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,800 Plastic, metal, fixed, removable, small, tall, 339 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,800 made in America, made in Australia. 340 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,800 I don't know. 341 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,800 I've got a toolbox. 342 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,800 And they go, well, don't tell me what it's going to look like at the end. 343 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,800 And I go, no, I haven't got a magic crystal ball. 344 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,800 All I know is that I'm going to do a couple of steps to do my homework, 345 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,800 to work out what's wrong with your child. 346 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,800 And then I've got to look in my toolbox, have a think about it at six o'clock in 347 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,800 the morning and work out a strategy that in a, I don't know, month or a year 348 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,800 or whatever will help your kid. 349 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,800 And she goes, they go, well, how long does it take? 350 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,800 And I go, well, I've been known to fix bedwetting in two days. 351 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,800 They go, really? 352 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,800 Well, sometimes I've been known to have teachers in six weeks say, 353 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,800 what's that child eating now? 354 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,800 The child's 100 times better. 355 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,800 I've been known to have children wake up in four weeks, 356 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,800 bouncing off the wall, going, mummy, I've got more energy. 357 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,800 And I say, and I've also got other kids to take a year and a half to get better 358 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,800 or they don't. 359 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,800 So every child's different. 360 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:10,800 Yeah. 361 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:11,800 Every child's different. 362 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,800 But the common story, which is where I started in my head, 363 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,800 the common story I hear every day is the mum looks at the one year old, 364 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,800 the four year old, the five year old, the six year old and says, 365 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,800 my child's not thriving. 366 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,800 It's very common. 367 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,800 My mum's now. 368 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,800 They then go to the, we call a GP, a general doctor, the general doctor guy, 369 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,800 not the pediatrician, the general doctor guy. 370 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,800 Maybe he sends them to a pediatrician, maybe not. 371 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,800 From the period, from there, they go to the ear, nose and throat guy. 372 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:49,800 A lot of my guys will then send them off for a sleep test overnight. 373 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,800 They then go back to the ear, nose and throat guy. 374 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,800 Remember the child's still not thriving. 375 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,800 And the mums and dads are driving around town from appointment to appointment, 376 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,800 spending money. 377 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,800 And then they get the tonsils and adenoids or something chopped out, 378 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,800 which I'm okay with generally, but not every single solitary child in the world 379 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,800 should have the tonsils and adenoids chopped out or whatever they chop out. 380 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,800 There's a time and a place for all of us in this circle, all of us, all of us. 381 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,800 And so from there, the mum goes away and maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't. 382 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,800 And a bit doubt, maybe it doesn't, maybe it helps a little bit. 383 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,800 So they then go back to the ear, nose and throat specialist and then they get, 384 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,800 they go off to an allergy doctor and they maybe spend a year at the allergy doctor 385 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,800 and then they're still worried about little Johnny. 386 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,800 And so from there, they might go back to the ear, nose and throat guys and say, 387 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,800 what do you reckon? 388 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,800 And they go, well, maybe we should do some more surgery. 389 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,800 And at the same time, the dentist is saying, 390 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,800 I wonder if we should pull some teeth out and put some braces on 391 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,800 because I think little Johnny's teeth don't fit in his mouth. 392 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:09,800 So we hear that story a lot every day and lately it's getting, it's bothering me lately. 393 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:16,800 And so one of the reasons I'm talking about it on your happy little American podcast 394 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:27,800 or global podcast, I apologize, is because mums and dads need to know that that's common, 395 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,800 but not normal. 396 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:32,800 Not normal. 397 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,800 Common, but not normal. 398 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,800 And so that's not okay. 399 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,800 And so that's a common story we hear. 400 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,800 I'll give you one more story that I really love your people to understand in here. 401 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,800 It's about labels, Rebecca. 402 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,800 Okay. 403 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,800 I want to tell you about labels. 404 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,800 I want to tell you about our real estate agent. 405 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,800 I want to talk for hours. 406 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,800 I don't know. 407 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,800 I think I need a coffee soon. 408 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,800 You know, it's cracker dawn here in Australia. 409 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:01,800 I know. 410 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,800 I know. 411 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,800 I only got out of bed for you, Rebecca. 412 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:12,800 And your wonderful audience that listens to your wonderful work at CAEFF. 413 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,800 Wonderful work that you do at CAEFF and hanging out with Airway Health Solutions 414 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,800 and all the wonderful heroes of mine around the world that you collaborate with. 415 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,800 Very credit, you know, work, work, work, work. 416 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,800 So very impressive. 417 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,800 Thank you. 418 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:37,800 So I was going to tell you about labels. 419 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:48,800 Well, I think it's important people understand that up here, they told me at 40, 420 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:55,800 I've got the worst sleep apnea they'd seen in forever, forever. 421 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,800 And so they gave me a label. 422 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,800 I could go back to the office and go, oh, I'm so famous. 423 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,800 I've got roaring, severe, obstructive sleep apnea. 424 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,800 Let's go look that up on the, there was no Google 100 years ago. 425 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,800 Let's go look up and see what the heck, what the heck I've got. 426 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,800 What the heck have I got? 427 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,800 And so, and I cried the whole way back to the office because I'm my own stuff. 428 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,800 I didn't expect I didn't take someone with me to hold my hand. 429 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,800 And I'm a 40 year old man and I'm thinking, oh, this will be a nothing. 430 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,800 But this will be a nothing appointment. 431 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,800 So whether you're child and I'm going to go up this ladder, you ready to go up the ladder? 432 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,800 Yeah, up the ladder. 433 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,800 Yeah, you ready? 434 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,800 Yeah. 435 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,800 They're all the same. 436 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,800 They're all, all the labels are the same. 437 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,800 They all mean lousy breathing. 438 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,800 Now, I don't know how you say that in American. 439 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:56,800 I don't know how that you say that in French or Italian or any other language you're translating to. 440 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,800 But I just want to use the language. 441 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,800 It ain't big enough to get enough air to go down the pipe. 442 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,800 And maybe you should interview some of my dads that are plummets 443 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,800 and builders because they just look at me and go, well, that's absolutely damn obvious. 444 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:24,800 That's just, if I did that building, my building, it would fall down. 445 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,800 And so mouth breathing is not okay. 446 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,800 Right. 447 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,800 Snoring is not okay. 448 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:34,800 Nope. 449 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,800 Gurgling, snoring noises is not okay. 450 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,800 Fly trap in the back of the car with the mouth wide open. 451 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,800 Well, that's not really a label, but I've thrown it in for the heck of it. 452 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,800 Fly trap with the mouth, the head back and the mouth wide open. 453 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,800 Made in the car seat open. 454 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,800 Yeah. 455 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,800 We call that fly trap. 456 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:05,800 Upper airway resistance syndrome, sleep, fragmentation, obstructive sleep apnea, 457 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,800 or just plain old sleep apnea or plain old apnea. 458 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:17,800 They're all labels and they all are labels that go, oh, you're not breathing very well. 459 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,800 And so I'd like the mums and dads because I mostly do not to, no, I don't. 460 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,800 I do four to 12 year olds, four to 15 year olds. 461 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,800 That's probably my box. 462 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,800 I just use the simple term. 463 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,800 So the mums and dads can go home and go. 464 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,800 So we were to grow this kid. 465 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,800 So we get air down there. 466 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,800 And then there's Dr. Mark Guy. 467 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:57,800 This Dr. Mark Guy who's obnoxious, loud, passionate and waving his arms around because, you know, he's so passionate. 468 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:03,800 That Dr. Mark guys told me that all he does at work all day. 469 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,800 All he does all day at work is make jaws grow. 470 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,800 And it's actually called the magzilla and the mandible. 471 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:18,800 And that Dr. Mark Guy in his office when they go home to the husband or whoever they, the mum, I don't know. 472 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,800 They can, well, this guy does, he told me is, he just mucks around makes jaws grow. 473 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,800 And I don't know, it turns on the epigenetics or whatever he does. 474 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,800 Okay. 475 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,800 And then they say, but what about all the symptoms like kids got? 476 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,800 You know, what do I do? 477 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,800 And I go, I don't know. 478 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,800 I'm not in the symptom department. 479 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,800 That's another department. 480 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,800 But guess what? 481 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,800 If we do that and I hold this piece of paper, normally that gets better. 482 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,800 Yeah. 483 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,800 How many symptoms would you like me to put on the piece of paper? 484 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,800 There's only 50 there, but I'll give you another 20. 485 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,800 If you've got time for me to write it out and I'll, I'll bill you more because I've got to write all those symptoms down. 486 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,800 It's exhausting. 487 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,800 So you want the symptoms to go away? 488 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,800 Or do you want, what, what do you want from my life? 489 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:17,800 And so I'm very passionate about mums and dads understanding what we're meant to be doing and why. 490 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:29,800 So, but the other label that mums and dads should be aware of is the, the ADHD label and the ADD label and the ADD label. 491 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,800 And the, there's a lot of labels in that box. 492 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:40,800 For that matter, when I talked, when I, it's quite funny. 493 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:49,800 You talk to a child, you talk to the mum, you write notes in a pen because I use a pen. 494 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:50,800 I apologize. 495 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,800 I still use a pen in my hand when I'm consulting. 496 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,800 And the mum goes, oh my God, that sounds like me. 497 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:04,800 And I said to the mum, well, where do you think the kid got the problem from? 498 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:14,800 And so the labels of mental health and ADHD and all these other hyperact, there's lots of labels, lots. 499 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,800 And I'm not, I'm only a dumb dentist. 500 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,800 I'm going to, I'm going to medical degree in Australia. 501 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,800 I'm just a dumb old dentist. 502 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,800 My job is not to diagnose and look at all these things. 503 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,800 My job is to look at underdeveloped jaws and have an airway focus. 504 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,800 And maybe I should have mentioned the word airway every three minutes in this webinar. 505 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:41,800 Maybe every three minutes I should have said airway focused, airway focused, airway focused, because nothing else matters. 506 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,800 Airway focus is the issue here. 507 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,800 And, and, and so there's a great lady. 508 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,800 You probably know Karen Bonnock in the US. 509 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:51,800 Oh yeah. 510 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,800 And Karen's a poster girl. 511 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,800 You know, she's famous in my office. 512 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,800 She's a poster girl for ADHD. 513 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,800 We got a, we got a whole poster of hers and the photo up there and a screen. 514 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:02,800 No, I'm not a kidding. 515 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:17,800 But she's a celebrity in my office and everybody knows if someone wants to give your child the label of ADHD, then has anybody ever asked a question about the airway or breathing or sleep? 516 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,800 Airway breathing and sleep. 517 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,800 Has anybody asked, we made a form actually for the doctors. 518 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:31,800 A 22 question, two minute form screen to test for, hey, here's a quick question for mum and dad. 519 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,800 Just to guess or no, take two minutes. 520 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:43,800 And I mean, how long did that take two minutes to ask 22 breathing, sleeping airway questions. 521 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,800 Maybe we should get some other guys and girls to look at this problem. 522 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,800 Maybe we should, you know, get everybody else to look at it. 523 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,800 Look, I'm going to have a glass of water. 524 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,800 Rebecca, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going to stop talking for a sec. 525 00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,800 Yeah. 526 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,800 No one gave me a brief of what to talk about on this chat with you, Rebecca. 527 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,800 So gee whiz, I don't know. 528 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,800 I don't know whether I've done the crap done what I'm meant to be doing, but I might. 529 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,800 You might want to ask questions. 530 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,800 Yeah. 531 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,800 Or whatever you have to do. 532 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,800 You absolutely are doing exactly what we're hoping. 533 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:24,800 And I want to say because you've said it in it, and it's, it really is such a 534 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,800 synced way of saying this and no one has ever actually come on here and said it 535 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:31,800 like that. 536 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,800 The labels thing, just throw it out. 537 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,800 Just throw it out because it is. 538 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:46,800 And as a parent, when your child has these labels, so, you know, they feel it and it 539 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,800 just, just get to the root cause, the root cause is airway. 540 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,800 And that's one of the things we're like, we're very passionate. 541 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,800 And that's what we're focused on is airway awareness because it's all there. 542 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,800 Everything can change. 543 00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:59,800 Yeah. 544 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,800 I mean, 545 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,800 I don't know. 546 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,800 Everything. 547 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,800 I don't know if parents, I don't know if you've been preparing understands the word root cause 548 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,800 though, Rebecca, you know, for a while we had a tree and all the symptoms and the roots 549 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,800 and I hated it. 550 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:16,800 I just hated it. 551 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,800 Did you? 552 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,800 I, I, I, I hated it. 553 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,800 And in the end I told the girls, I said, God, make me a piece of paper with that. 554 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,800 I can just yell at them about just give me a piece of paper. 555 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,800 And, and so, but it's just, it's easy. 556 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:35,800 It's easy to understand and fix this and everything follows. 557 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,800 I think, I think if I gave you a. 558 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,800 I never thought about it, but maybe I should get a plumber on to my website and talk about 559 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:53,800 plumbing because I got to tell you, we see teachers, we see nurses, we see, you know, 560 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,800 we see lots of different mums and dads. 561 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,800 All I do, all I do is kids, nothing else. 562 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:05,800 And we're, I don't know, we're back to back and underwater and the girls are fuming with 563 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,800 me that I'm going to America next week, fuming. 564 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,800 How dare you take three weeks out of the diary and, and jump in an airplane. 565 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,800 We need you here, boss. 566 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:20,800 So you make me laugh and think to myself, I need to interview a plumber and get him to 567 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,800 explain to me how a pipe works and how a pipe collapses. 568 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,800 And, and you know, I did, I went to the hardware store and I bought a black pipe, which is in 569 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:31,800 my other room. 570 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:32,800 So I haven't got in front of me. 571 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,800 I apologize. 572 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,800 I didn't bring my props. 573 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:45,800 But if it, it, it, it upsets me enormously when a mum says, well, my child got this cute 574 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,800 noise he makes all night long. 575 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,800 It's really cute. 576 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,800 I can hear him downstairs. 577 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,800 Nope. 578 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:51,800 It's not cute. 579 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,800 You know, I've got to, you know, they tell me the kids stores and I always go, so is that 580 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,800 like sleeping next to him, standing next to him downstairs or in another suburb? 581 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:03,800 Oh no. 582 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,800 Front door of the house. 583 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,800 I can hear him. 584 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,800 I go, has anybody told you should be worried about that? 585 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,800 And so there's, there's lots of, there's lots of, there's lots of issues there. 586 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,800 What else did I want to tell you? 587 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,800 I think that makes sense too. 588 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:24,800 Cause if you think about again, back to where we started the timeline 10, 15, 20 years ago, 589 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,800 think about all these things that we grew up with from Archie Bunker on. 590 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,800 I mean, we're going way back into the archives for shows here. 591 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:31,800 Cause I do. 592 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:38,800 But from there forward, how many of these sitcoms were, was dad snoring and it was just, 593 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,800 you know, insert laugh track and then now, oh, the kid snoring. 594 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:43,800 That's so cute. 595 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,800 You know, we didn't know. 596 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,800 Oh, you don't know. 597 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:48,800 You don't know. 598 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,800 And I'd like to get normal and normal and common, normal and common, common, common. 599 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,800 I also liked it. 600 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,800 We know we haven't discussed the brain and, and how it impacts it. 601 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:06,800 Well, we haven't just, we, cause remember I, I, I've from sleep 25 years ago, you know, 602 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:12,800 sleep medicine really, I think my business card says oral, I don't know, keeps changing, 603 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,800 but, um, creating a facial dental sleep medicine. 604 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:17,800 I think it says this week. 605 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:18,800 I don't know. 606 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,800 Yeah. 607 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,800 That's what it's, that's what it says on your website. 608 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:22,800 Yeah. 609 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,800 And, and, and, uh, I think the girls want to change the airway dentist. 610 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,800 I don't, I don't care, you know, but, uh, the business card says oral, oral, oral, oral, 611 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,800 and oral, oral, oral, oral. 612 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,800 So we want, we haven't discussed the brain. 613 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,800 I'm passionate about the brain. 614 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,800 I've learnt a lot about the brain. 615 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,800 I've read about the brain alone. 616 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,800 Um, you know, the glyphatic irrigate. 617 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:46,800 I tell my is it. 618 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,800 You know, the glyphatic irrigation system that cleans the brain there, I think they found 619 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,800 that eight years ago or nine years ago. 620 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,800 Um, lymphatics and, uh, lights up at night. 621 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,800 And there's some really cool stuff about the brain and what they found and how and 622 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,840 And so I said to the parents, you know, the parents say, is the brain important for the 623 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,880 kid while they're sleeping? 624 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,880 And I go, you know, we do a lot of that laughter stuff. 625 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,400 You know, I think the brain's about, I tell, I always ask the kids, is the brain busy a 626 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,400 daytime or nighttime? 627 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,520 And I go, it's busy a daytime, Dr. Mark, you silly person. 628 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,600 And so I say, no, well, actually it's not. 629 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,840 And occasionally the kids go, it's busy during the night. 630 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,360 I said, who told you that? 631 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:33,680 And so I, there's a lot to it and it's all above the shoulders. 632 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,120 There's a lot to it and it's above the shoulders. 633 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:45,840 And my goal is to see no adults because if you fix the four year olds, then you won't 634 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,600 have an adult patient at 35 or 40. 635 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,600 Wouldn't that be amazing? 636 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,160 Wouldn't that be amazing? 637 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:59,120 If you fix all the four year olds and then you won't have a problem with the, then you 638 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:04,040 won't have a problem, you won't have any adult patients and you'll be, that'll be a really, 639 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,520 really cool thing. 640 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,880 There's another joke, you know, the brain will discussing, I think I have to go soon, 641 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,880 Rebecca. 642 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,520 There's a brain thing I was discussing with you, Rebecca. 643 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,720 And because no one's got me a cup of coffee yet, Rebecca, no one's given me a cup of coffee. 644 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:22,480 So I thought that was part of the deal with you and I. 645 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,480 Right. 646 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,480 I was supposed to send you coffee. 647 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,480 I know. 648 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,480 I dropped the ball. 649 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:32,200 So, so there's a great story with, with a standard of the parents, you know, in Australia, 650 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,840 private schoolings, very, very expensive. 651 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,840 And you know, it's expensive in America. 652 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,560 The universities are expensive. 653 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,080 Education is an expensive outlay for a parent and they want the best. 654 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,080 Right. 655 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,080 Little Johnny. 656 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,880 The best for little Johnny. 657 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,760 And I always say, I'd like someone to do a research paper. 658 00:50:51,760 --> 00:51:00,000 Can you reach out to someone and go, what happens if we get 10 out of 10 oral structure, 659 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:10,280 10 out of 10 breathing, 10 out of 10 sleep and 10 out of 10 brain. 660 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,360 God knows how my brain work when I was 15. 661 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,160 I mean, I'm surprised it worked at all. 662 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,480 How did I get here? 663 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,440 So what, what would happen if you had a 10 out of 10 brain in relation to private schooling 664 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,720 and university? 665 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:30,280 I mean, I mean, the brain, you know, I mean, who needs to pay $40,000 a year for a private 666 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:37,000 school with a fancy logo on your lapel? 667 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:42,120 If someone can just get your airway to work and your brain's going to be smarter. 668 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,120 It's rhetorical. 669 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,560 It's very rhetorical. 670 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:50,280 And I've got no idea what the answer is, but I do ponder that often having paid for 671 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,920 kids, my kids to go to private school. 672 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,200 And I ponder, you know, what, what would change? 673 00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,640 And, and then the other podcast you've got is the podcast that says what, how many hours 674 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,040 a night are people sleeping? 675 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,960 And that's a, that's another one hour discussion. 676 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,320 It's a one hour discussion on the brain. 677 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,760 There's a one hour discussion on, are we sleeping enough? 678 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,880 And there's a one hour discussion on getting a plumber on your, on your, on your website 679 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:24,320 and talking about plumbing instead of this fancy schmancy medical dental airway stuff 680 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,240 you spoke. 681 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,160 So what does that say? 682 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,960 Hey, are you when, when you're here for the next few weeks, are you going to be at airway 683 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:33,960 Palooza? 684 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:34,960 Yeah. 685 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:35,960 Okay. 686 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:36,960 Awesome. 687 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,560 Then swing by the booth and say hi to us. 688 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,400 We are actually calf is the sponsor for day one of airway. 689 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,400 Cause it's kids day. 690 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,400 Oh, yeah. 691 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,480 Well, I'm very annoyed with America because it, because, because I'd like to get a little 692 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:59,960 conference every weekend and you guys get to jump in a plane and just pop over to Dallas 693 00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:06,520 and I, I, I, I, I, I get a plane at Wayne and Vance and then I've got to find, get out 694 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,880 of this, get there and fly there and la, la, la. 695 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:15,000 You guys just pop in and pop out and, and so I keep on seeing these emails of these conferences 696 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,840 when I go to, when I go, oh my God, you guys are so lucky. 697 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:25,000 So then the question is maybe you should have a one hour podcast with why aren't 250,000 698 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:31,200 dentists going to all the airway conferences in America when it's a one hour flight on 699 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,200 an airplane? 700 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,560 When that dumb Australian guy flies, I think I fly a day and a half to get there and a 701 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,560 day and a half to get back. 702 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:39,560 I don't know. 703 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,200 And my wife is really upset that it's always America. 704 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,320 She says, can we get a Europe please? 705 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,160 Cause you know, can we get a Europe on the way home? 706 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,480 Can't, can't those Americans make a conference in Europe somewhere? 707 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,320 So credit, credit to all of you. 708 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:06,760 Rebecca, you're doing, you're doing some magical, magical work in your space, helping 709 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:12,000 mums and dads understand the little kitties. 710 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,720 And I like to say under the age of 12, that's my language. 711 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:16,000 You don't have to agree with me. 712 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:23,040 And, and getting those little kitties to grow and develop and thrive properly. 713 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,600 And so the mums and dads understand why. 714 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:32,000 And there's a joke with that that goes, I treat a, I treat a place, I treat half of 715 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,000 the town, it's a town in the middle of nowhere, it's like nowhere is built. 716 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,520 I mean, it's an ice plate. 717 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,160 And I treat half the town, I think. 718 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,040 Cause I think one mother told another mother told another mother and told another. 719 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,000 It's like a nine hour drive in the car. 720 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:54,120 So, and so you've got all these conferences and you're doing magical work. 721 00:54:54,120 --> 00:55:01,320 Let's get these guys, let's get these guys to turn up these medical dental allied health 722 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:07,600 guys and girls to turn up and change these kids lives and help them thrive and help 723 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:08,600 them breathe better. 724 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,600 That's what I want. 725 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:16,400 And I'll tell you what, we're counting on those airway mama bears to get the word out. 726 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,640 That's who does it. 727 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,800 Thank you so much for being on and enjoy your coffee. 728 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:27,800 And I can't wait to have the opportunity to sit down with you at airway Palooza. 729 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,680 You know, whether it's airway Palooza or whether it's another course or another speaker 730 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:39,800 or another, there's no one shop in America that's doing everything for everybody. 731 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,800 We're a team. 732 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:41,800 That's right. 733 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:48,200 And one of my people calls it the airway circle and we're all over together and we all overlap 734 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:53,560 and we all turn up to different courses with different doctors with different flavors. 735 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,400 We all, we all cook chicken soup. 736 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:57,880 We all have different flavor. 737 00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,040 We all make vegetable soup. 738 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,000 We all have different flavor to how we make it. 739 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:10,280 We all culturally come from different heritage, but we all turn up together with one commonality 740 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,560 and the commonality is the kids. 741 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,720 Because it's going to be a collaborative approach. 742 00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:18,480 It's going to take everyone. 743 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,800 By the way, there's another row there to talk about adults. 744 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,560 We can talk about adults, but that, you know, I didn't get my coffee. 745 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,760 So I'm not going to hang around for another hour. 746 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,760 So, but, you know, there's another speech there with the adults. 747 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:35,120 So there's another, you've been up material. 748 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,880 You can have material for weeks, for weeks. 749 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:46,440 From Australia and Dr. Mark Levi from Australia, Sydney, Australia and all our icons, the Bondi 750 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,920 Beach and the Uprouse and our kangaroos. 751 00:56:50,920 --> 00:57:01,480 Just wonderful, wonderful, be able to help and speak and share and just share nice spin 752 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,320 on airway and kids with you, Rebecca. 753 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,320 And thank you for what you do. 754 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,640 Thank you very much for what you do with the kids. 755 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:09,640 Okay. 756 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:10,640 Thank you for what you do. 757 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,640 And I appreciate you coming on. 758 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:12,640 Thank you so much. 759 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:13,640 Talk soon. 760 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:14,640 Bye. 761 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,640 Okay. 762 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:16,640 Bye. 763 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:17,640 Bye. 764 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:18,640 Thanks again to today's guests. 765 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:24,040 Thanks to Mark Levi for sharing his medical insight and each of you for listening to today's 766 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,040 episode. 767 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,280 You can stay connected with the Children's Airway First Foundation by following us on 768 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:34,760 Instagram, Facebook, X, LinkedIn and YouTube. 769 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:39,480 Don't forget to subscribe to the Airway First podcast on your favorite podcasting platform 770 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,160 so you won't miss an upcoming episode. 771 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,200 If you'd like to be a guest or have an idea for an upcoming show, shoot us a note via 772 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:55,960 the contact page on our website or send us an email directly at infoatchildrensairwayfirst.org. 773 00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,680 Today's episode was written and directed by Rebecca St. James, video editing and promotion 774 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:06,920 by Ryan Draughan and guest outreach by Kristi Bojinkian. 775 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,480 And finally, thanks to all the parents and medical professionals out there that are 776 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,480 working hard to help make the lives of kids around the globe just a little bit better. 777 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:40,000 Take care, stay safe and happy breathing everyone.