1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,760 Hi everyone and welcome back to another episode of Airway First, the podcast from the Children's 2 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:29,280 Airway First Foundation. I'm your host Rebecca St. James. My guest today is nurse and author 3 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:36,880 Linda Harris. In the past, Linda suffered from both fibromyalgia and migraines and was able to 4 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:42,160 find relief when she discovered that the main source of her pain was her TMJ and malocclusion. 5 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,000 Through her own research and interviewing others with similar struggles, Linda found 6 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:55,600 common issue and wrote the book Fibromyalgia and the TMJ Connection. Linda is now on a mission to 7 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:05,760 help others. You can find out more about Linda on her website at fibromyalgesecret.blogspot.com 8 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:12,880 and her book The Fibromyalgia and TMJ Connection is available on amazon.com. 9 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,120 And now let's jump into my interview with Linda Harris. 10 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,520 All right, thank you so much for joining us today, Linda. I appreciate it. 11 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,200 You're welcome. Thank you for inviting me. 12 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:31,360 Absolutely. So I'm going to start with something that we hear about time and time again. 13 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:37,920 Everything starts with the mouth. So I'd like to start our conversation there because it may, 14 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:44,640 to me, that's kind of a logical place. Have you explained how this phrase applies to 15 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:51,920 your medical journey with fibromyalgia and how it relates to airway? 16 00:01:52,800 --> 00:02:00,000 Okay. Originally, I'm a nurse and I was a head nurse at a hospital. I started fainting. I fained 17 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:10,880 10 times between Labor Day and the middle of October. And there's some noise there in the 18 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:20,560 background. I'm not sure if that's picking it up or not. But anyway, so then I had a bridge put on. 19 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,520 And then the temporary bridge popped off and I had no fainting for the next two weeks. And then 20 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:32,080 the permanent bridge went on and I started fainting again. And so then I went to the dentist. I said, 21 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:38,240 I think the problem is this new bridge. And he says, oh, no, no, it's fine. So then I had the 22 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,360 worst toothache I ever had in my whole life. And I'm at the dentist's office the next Sunday too. 23 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,800 And he x-rays and I had napses underneath the bridge that he put on two weeks ago. 24 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:57,760 So they drove through the bridge and I had to have a root canal. And then about three months later, 25 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,320 so the fainting stopped after I had the root canal. But then three months later, I was diagnosed 26 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:08,640 with fibromyalgia. I couldn't sleep. And actually when the bridge went on, I started biting my cheek, 27 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:16,400 having difficulty swallowing pills. I didn't feel well. And eight months later, I started 28 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:22,480 fainting again. And instead of going to the doctors because they ruled, they had a halter 29 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:29,360 monitor and everything was fine there. But so I went to the dentist when I started fainting again. 30 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:35,360 And what I had was another abscess underneath my bridge, underneath the root canal that I had done. 31 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:42,720 So they did another root canal. And it was not even possible. Well, you know what, it happened. 32 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,880 And so, you know, I was just lucky, you know, normally you never, 33 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,680 once you have a root canal, you don't have any pain from that tooth. 34 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:59,360 It's my fainting that really guided me to go back to the dentist. So I went because I had 29 35 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:07,120 symptoms and you can't go to a medical doctor for 29 symptoms. I took my 29 symptoms on a piece of 36 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:13,120 paper and I went to a naturopath. And when I went to the naturopath, I said, all this started with 37 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:18,400 my teeth. And he says, well, it is your teeth. He says your bridge is right here. Didn't open my 38 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:25,200 mouth, knew exactly where it was. And that's because I had symptoms down the meridian from that tooth. 39 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,400 So acupuncture, everybody is familiar with acupuncture, but those acupuncture lines 40 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:37,760 actually run through the teeth. So he knew that 213, I couldn't turn my head to the left. 41 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:45,920 I had pain in my shoulder, I had pain in my elbow, I had tendonitis, carpal tunnel. I had pressure, 42 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:54,160 pressure in my chest, and had panic attacks, which I'd never had before. I mean, 43 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:01,040 you know, I had managed 3-cardiac arrests at one time at the hospital. So I knew that I 44 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:09,760 shouldn't be having panic attacks. And then I had sciatica, my balance was off, I come out with 45 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:16,880 a wrong word when I spoke. And so I took that chart that the naturopath gave me and I took it to 46 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,680 the dentist and I said, you know, I'm pretty sure that there's something wrong with my bridge. 47 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,160 And you know, they looked at me in the chair with my mouth open. So they said, no, there's nothing 48 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:34,080 wrong with your bridge. So I went to another dentist and I took the chart the naturopath gave 49 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:41,040 me and he said, no naturopath is going to tell me that there's something wrong with your cheek. So 50 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:47,840 I left. And what I realized is if they had looked at my bite instead of just looking at me with my 51 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:53,600 mouth open, they would have realized that I was in a cross bite and that was causing an airway 52 00:05:53,600 --> 00:06:03,920 problem for me. And that I also had TMJ, I clicking in my jaw. So I couldn't get help. So I 53 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:10,800 had actually signed up to go on a medical mission to Ecuador. I switched planes in Miami. And a 54 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:17,120 couple got on late in the plane and I said I'd switch places with the man's wife that was next 55 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:24,160 to me. So it was divine intervention that I sat next to this lady from Michigan. Okay. 56 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:31,280 We're talking about our daughters playing soccer. And she says, well, we just about lost our star 57 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:35,760 soccer player. She had pain in her arm and her leg, but there was a dentist daughter on the team. 58 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:41,520 And he says, oh, I know what your problem is. Your bite's off. And I says, you know a dentist 59 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:47,280 that knows this. And she says, yes. So she wrote me a letter and I got it when I got home from my 60 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:53,760 medical mission to Ecuador. And I called them and I went to see them. And the first thing he did was 61 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,720 give me a mirror and asked me if he thought my bite looked right. I was in a cross bite. The top 62 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:04,720 really the space in your front teat top teeth should line up with the space in your bottom teeth. 63 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:12,720 And it didn't. My job was it was off. And he said to me, he put me in the chair and he looked at it. 64 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:18,720 He says your bridge isn't on right. It's sitting too close to your cheek. So when he took it off, 65 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:26,080 all of a sudden I could turn my head again. My pain in my arm, my elbow, my sciatica. 66 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,480 You're kidding me. Everything went away. Everything from that meridian went away. 67 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,040 Wow. And so I thought. 68 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,040 Did you talk to him about this, what the naturopath had told you? 69 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:45,680 Yes. Yes, I did. And he knew about meridians. This is this is more of a naturopathic dentist. 70 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,760 And he kind of he's not he's a head, neck and facial pain dentist. So he knew this, this. 71 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:59,200 And so he knew right away what the problem was. And so then he told me that so I had the symptoms 72 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:05,120 down the meridian, they went away when they took the bridge off. But I had migraine headaches for 73 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,320 30 years, had difficulty sleeping. He says, you know what, we can get rid of your migraines. 74 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,440 We'll put a splint to bring your jaw forward. And then your nerves and your blood vessels 75 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:23,280 aren't caught behind your condyle. And then you'll be better. So I the road's really bad at that 76 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,920 time going to Michigan. And so I found one head, neck and facial pain dentist in London, 77 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:36,400 Ontario, Dr. Brock Rondo. And I went to him and I wore a double splint on my bottom and top teeth. 78 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,360 I couldn't take it off, except to brush my teeth for six months. My bottom jaw came forward seven 79 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:48,320 millimeters. Oh my gosh, my migraines were gone. I started sleeping better because when your jaw, 80 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,760 bottom jaw comes forward, so does your tongue and it opens up your airway, your airway, right? 81 00:08:53,760 --> 00:09:02,560 Right. So it's an airway issue. So what I realized is fibromyalgia is a TMJ issue, an airway issue 82 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:08,240 and a meridian issue. And if you put them all together, you can explain every symptom that 83 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:18,320 the person has. Wow. So I was blessed, God got me better. And then I started interviewing people 84 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:28,240 so that I could help other people that had fibromyalgia. So the first lady that I helped 85 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:35,440 was a lady that lived down the road for me. And this is, this is a letter that she wrote to the 86 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:41,440 London Free Press, that's in London, Ontario. And she wrote it 10 years after she got better. 87 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:47,600 Because originally I was sick in 95. I got better in 97. Started interviewing people. 88 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:56,480 This is the letter she wrote in 2008. She was helped in 1998. It says, patient remembers 89 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:02,080 dentist's effort 10 years later. It said, words are never expressed enough for the people who do 90 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:07,840 good in this world. 10 years ago this month, I went to Dr. Brock Rondo at Deniston, London. I was 91 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:14,080 in terrible pain. I'd been in pain since 1967, was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome and 92 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:20,320 fibromyalgia. I was bedridden for six months and couldn't walk or sit. Every day I used to pray to 93 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:26,000 die. Dr. Rondo and his staff listened to my cry for help. They carefully x-rayed and measured my 94 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:32,000 jaw. And I wore a day and a nighttime splint. After persevering for four and a half years, I was 95 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,640 all out of pain. I'm pain-free today and I can't thank him and his staff enough for listening to 96 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:42,000 me. And she is the very first lady that I interviewed with fibromyalgia and she got better. 97 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,960 That is amazing. And just so everybody knows, we'll talk about this a little more later, that's an 98 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:52,640 excerpt from your book, The Fibromyalgia and TMJ Connection, which we'll put a link to in our 99 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:58,320 show notes. And also Dr. Rondo is going to be on our show in a few weeks. So I'll make sure that we 100 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:05,120 put a link for that as well once we do that interview. Oh, good. Good. Yeah. Yeah. He's an 101 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:11,760 amazing man. And you know what? I send all of the people I interview to him and the people are 102 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:20,080 getting better. And you know, he's, he's, initially he really didn't know much about Meridians, but 103 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:25,040 I've been teaching him about Meridians. He knew people's bite was off. He knew people had TMJ, 104 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:31,120 but he wasn't familiar with the Meridians. So I provided, I bought him a chart and I started 105 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:37,680 teaching him about the Meridians. So I'd like to jump into that a little bit because you mentioned 106 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:43,760 that and I've heard you mentioned this in other interviews. What is this dental Meridian? Well, 107 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:49,760 what the dental Meridian is, if you think of acupuncture and people get acupuncture all the time 108 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:56,160 for there's 12 Meridians down the body, that's a energy channel through the body. And that's 109 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:03,760 basis for acupuncture. It's a basis for reflexology, how reflexology can help. But what people weren't 110 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:12,000 familiar with, except that naturopath I went to is those energy channels actually go through 111 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:22,000 the teeth. So my tooth number 13 was on the lung Meridian. So, and it was on the Meridian that went 112 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:28,080 to my shoulder, my elbow, my wrist, it went to my back, it went to my lung, and it went to the big 113 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:38,720 toe and to the breast. So if you look up on online, it's called meridiantoothchart.com. You can find 114 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:46,400 an interactive form of if you hit a certain tooth, it'll tell you which Meridian it is on. 115 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:52,560 And as a nurse, I knew nothing about Meridians until I went to see that naturopath. I'd never 116 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:58,400 heard of them, really never really had any idea about it before, until that happened to me. 117 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:06,720 So the Meridians, so people that have have fibro, they have problems with the TMJ, then they have 118 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:12,640 airway issues, that's why they can't sleep. And then they have Meridian issues, but the Meridian, 119 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:21,440 depending which tooth hits first, when they bite down, depending which tooth hits first are the 120 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:26,720 symptoms that they have. So if you're hitting your back teeth first, you have more, you have more 121 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:33,200 small bowel issues, you have more heart issues. If you're hitting your front teeth first, it's 122 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:40,640 more chokrin syndrome, it's more dry eyes, dry mouth, more bladder and urinary symptoms. And men 123 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:48,000 that hit their front teeth first have more, they have more prostate issues. If you're hitting your 124 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:53,600 eye teeth first, and that's when you're tapped down, that that's the tooth you notice first, 125 00:13:53,600 --> 00:14:00,240 then they have blurred vision or problems with their eye, they have gallbladder, liver and hip 126 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:06,240 issues. And I've interviewed like well over 100 people. So when I interview them and they tap, 127 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:12,320 I can tell them what their symptoms are. And they're just absolutely amazed to think that it's 128 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,520 all related. 129 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,800 Well, and I can't be there, they may pick it up on the mic, I can't be the only one doing this 130 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,360 while you're talking, I'm sitting here tapping, tapping, tapping, tapping, tapping, tapping, 131 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:29,520 trying to figure out what hits first. That is amazing. And I will put the link to the Meridian 132 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:35,600 Tooth Chart in our show notes as well, because that to me is just fascinating. So that explains 133 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:43,440 though then why so many fibro-barialgia patients also have airway issues, because it's that Meridian, 134 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,320 right? That's all. 135 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:50,880 No, it's not just because of the Meridian. Some of them, if it's 13, the lungs can be affected, 136 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:56,720 that's the lung Meridian. But most fibromyalgia people, they either have an overbite, their 137 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:02,480 bottom jaw is too far back. And I thought I had an overbite, but so many people had an 138 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:08,080 overbite, I didn't know it was abnormal. And some of the people have a high palate, 139 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:14,880 a high upper palate. And so both ways is blocking your airway. So it's the tongue blocking the 140 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,840 airway that gives them the airway symptoms. 141 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:26,000 Okay, got it. Okay. And I will also list this. Oh, go ahead. 142 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:32,560 So what Dr. Rondo does is either gives them a splint to bring the bottom jaw forward, 143 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:38,880 or he expands the upper palate to make more room for the tongue. Either way, their airway is going 144 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:46,400 to be treated. Okay. And is that one of the, and then does it, if you happen to have fibromyalgia, 145 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:53,200 then is it one of those things that, once the airway is treated in this case, or most cases, 146 00:15:53,200 --> 00:16:00,480 does that then impact the fibromyalgia symptoms? Yes, definitely. So then first of all, you have to 147 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:06,720 have your jaw treated, the TMJ, so there's no more clicking anymore. And they can do that by 148 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:13,120 sometimes bringing the jaw forward. But if you have a high palate or actually your bottom jaw 149 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:20,720 is back, either way, your jaw, your bottom jaw is too far back, and it's causing the airway and 150 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:31,120 the TMJ problems. Okay, got it. Got it. And I've referenced it twice, a specific podcast that 151 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,880 I'm thinking of that you did. So I'll make sure to put it in the notes because it was really amazing. 152 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:44,320 But during this particular episode, you listed some symptoms that we don't typically hear about 153 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:49,680 when you're assessing patients for fibromyalgia or TMJ or airway. Would you mind just running 154 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:56,320 through some of what you look for when you're assessing a patient? Okay. When I'm assessing 155 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:02,960 a patient, I actually do a TMJ questionnaire. And I actually got that questionnaire from Dr. Rondo. 156 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:10,160 That's the questionnaire that he would do in his office. And so people can have either headaches, 157 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:15,440 they can have ringing in the air, they can have tension in their jaw, they can have 158 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:24,880 twitching in their eye. All of those things can be related to TMJ. Okay. There's a long list. 159 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:31,200 You can find it on the internet, TMJ questionnaire, and actually people can do it themselves. 160 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:40,240 And so there's the TMJ symptoms. And then I do an airway questionnaire. And I got that from a Dr. 161 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:50,160 James Gary. He was an airway dentist that did a lot of research on the airway. So if you have airway 162 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:59,200 issues, okay, you can have dry eyes, dry mouth in the morning, you can be snoring, you can be biting 163 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:09,200 the side of your cheek, you can have difficulty swallowing, you can have being tired and exhausted. 164 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:19,200 So there's actually a chapter in my book, and it gives you all of the airway questionnaire. 165 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:27,200 Okay. So actually through my book, people can do the TMJ questionnaire, they can do the airway 166 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:32,720 questionnaire, then they can tap their teeth together and do the meridian. And then it tells them 167 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:38,800 the type of dentist that they would have to go to be assessed. I just guide people to somebody, 168 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:47,120 a doc dentist that can assess them. So my goal is to get people to the right, because regular 169 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:52,880 drill field dentists don't know anything about this. Nothing. No, no, we're finding more and more 170 00:18:52,880 --> 00:19:03,600 about that. So. And the other really interesting thing is, I interviewed, I saw this little girl 171 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:16,080 at my son's house. And this is Maya. Okay. And if you look at Maya, you can only see her 172 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:22,160 forefront teeth when she smiles. She don't see all the way back to her back teak. And that tells me 173 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,840 that she has a high palate. Right. So I looked at her, I talked to her aunt and I said, I bet you 174 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:33,520 she doesn't sleep well, I bet you she's all over the bed at night. I said, I bet you she snores. 175 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:39,680 And I says, and I bet you she doesn't do well at school. And her aunt says, how do you know that? 176 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,640 And I said, and I bet you she has a high palate. 177 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:50,640 And she did. This is Maya's palate. There it is. Wow. 178 00:19:50,640 --> 00:20:02,320 Extremely narrow. So Maya's grandmother took her to Dr. Rondo. He's expanding. She's got it expanded 179 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:07,920 now and she's sleeping better. And now she's going to be having braces. But here's a picture of a girl 180 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:13,600 that already got helped. And look at the difference. If you look at this girl, look at the difference. 181 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:21,040 She actually sick in the one picture. And she looks alive again, once her palate's expanded. Why? 182 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:27,120 Because she can now sleep better. And this is one of one of the patients that was helped by Dr. Rondo. 183 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:41,200 So ADHD, if you look at it's called Dr. Ben Marigales. ADHD. He is the one that he's got a YouTube video 184 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:50,320 that says ADHD is really sleep deprivation. So you know what, if you can expand these kids' palate 185 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:57,680 and then they're sleeping better, it's amazing how things improve. And it's not, you know, 186 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:04,000 it's not just Dr. Rondo that knows this. Dr. Dangle from Michigan knows that. Dr. Al Fonder, 187 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:11,680 who wrote the Dental Physician, he's got it in his book. Unfortunately, dentists cannot, 188 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,600 they cannot advertise that they can help medical problems. And the reason being is they're worried 189 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:24,320 for their license. That if they said they can help a medical problem, their licensing board can come 190 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:31,120 back and say to them, well, you're not a doctor. How do you know that? And so consequently, it's 191 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:37,280 the system that is preventing people from getting the help that they need in these dentist advertising 192 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,080 that they can help. Even kids that wet the bed when they're eight or nine years old, 193 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:48,080 the most of those people are sleep deprived and they have narrow palates. And once they expand it, 194 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:55,040 you know, these dentists explain why that happened in their books. And, you know, there's lack of 195 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:01,760 oxygen going to the kidneys and the bladder and the, both just during continent at night. But 196 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:08,080 a lot of these kids are small stature and it's all because they don't sleep well at night. So 197 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:13,040 the growth hormone is not released and they're smaller in stature, the ones that wet the bed. 198 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:21,440 At least that's what I'm finding. But it's amazing stuff. And we just have to get the information 199 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:28,480 out so parents realize that there's another option than pills. There's another option 200 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:36,880 and giving them medication that's going to, you know, ruin their life because, you know, 201 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,360 those kids, when they're sleep deprived, they can't function properly. 202 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:46,400 Right. Right. And we've talked to Dr. Morali and some of the others about, you know, the 203 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:52,320 fight or flight that happens is just why you see that late stage bed wetting and we don't want to 204 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,840 have to put them on meds if we can avoid it. And don't just pull teeth. Let's get to the root of it. 205 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,560 If they want to pull teeth, say no, go find someone else. So let's get a second opinion. 206 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:08,000 Yeah. Cause you don't want to make it smaller. Right. So what I will tell you is 207 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,720 in my day, when people had braces, they pulled teeth when they were crowded. 208 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,880 And I'll tell you, in my nursing class, we looked at the people with the narrow smile. 209 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:27,440 They were the rich girls in our class, two of them. And when I asked them if they had teeth pulled, 210 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,160 they had four teeth pulled each when they had their braces, it made their palate narrow. 211 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,600 They both have autoimmune disorders. They both have sleep and airway problems. So yes, 212 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:45,280 the dentist, some dentists have actually created this problem. I mean, not because not intentionally. 213 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:53,040 Yeah, they did know. But long term, I know from interviewing people that that is the case. 214 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,440 Right. Right. And that's another thing that we've talked to dentist about too is 215 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:04,320 you know, kind of to your point, they kind of, they're the front lines. They're able to see 216 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:10,640 these issues. And as more of them are starting to find out, you know, this is what we learned in 217 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,840 dental school wasn't exactly accurate when it came to airways. Here's how we need to transition. 218 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,160 When we spot the issue, we can't fix it, but we need to know who to send them to. 219 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,560 Because kind of to your point, they, they quote, aren't allowed to. So 220 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:30,720 that kind of moves into something else that we rally a lot for, which is this holistic, 221 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,840 comprehensive care of children and adults. You know, they're all a team. Your pediatrician should 222 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:41,760 be working with your dentist and your myofunctional therapist. Everybody should be together to support 223 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:48,640 this child. That's right. And what I'll tell you is what I found is people that are tongue-tied, 224 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,280 you need your tongue to go to the roof of your mouth to keep it flat. And if they're tongue-tied, 225 00:24:53,280 --> 00:25:00,000 they can't do that. And those are kids too that then are going to be labeled as ADHD only because 226 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,240 they're not sleeping well. So, and I will tell you, I talked to Dr. Rondo, they don't, they didn't 227 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,560 learn anything about airway in dental school. They only learned about drill-filled teeth. And in fact, 228 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,560 one dentist told me he had half a day on TMJ. And all they learned was, okay, these are the 229 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:27,440 symptoms that you refer to a TMJ dentist. So they, they don't know. And there's a lot of orthodontists, 230 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:33,760 I have to tell you, I talked to, I talked to Dr. Rondo Brock about this. I said, I saw a young 231 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,920 lady that had her braces off a year ago. She had beautiful teeth. They were lined up beautiful. 232 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,640 But the orthodontist left her with TMJ. They didn't treat the TMJ. They didn't bring the bottom 233 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,440 jaw forward. So now this girl is in nursing school with migraine headaches three days a week. 234 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:58,400 I said, I called Brock. I said, why would they put the braces on and not address her jaw? And he 235 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:04,320 says, because they don't know it. They don't know about it. Right. And so I think I say this every 236 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,240 episode, we really should just rename this podcast. You don't know what you don't know. 237 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,800 That's right. Because the pediatricians and ENTs that have been on here, they weren't taught at 238 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:20,720 the dentist. They weren't taught at the parents. We didn't know. So here we are collectively as a 239 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,240 group going, oh, wow. Right. The trains left the station. How do we get it put back in and 240 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,240 keep it from happening and then help the kids that are already out here? 241 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:47,280 You're listening to Airway First with today's guest, Linda Harris. You can find out more about 242 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,240 the Children's Airway First Foundation and our mission to fix before six on our website 243 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:59,280 at children'sairwayfirst.org. The CAF website offers tons of great resources for both parents and 244 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:05,440 medical professionals. In our parents portal and clinicians corner, you can find educational and 245 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:11,600 informational content, including videos, blogs, our recommended reading lists, comprehensive medical 246 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:18,480 research, podcast events, parent support, and educational opportunities. Parents are also 247 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,280 encouraged to join the Airway Huddle, our Facebook support group, which was created for parents of 248 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:29,520 children with airway and sleep related issues. You can access the Airway Huddle support group at 249 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:37,040 facebook.com backslash groups backslash airway huddle. Are you a medical professional or parent 250 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,360 that's interested in being a guest on the show? Then shoot us a note via the contacts page on 251 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:49,360 our website or send us an email directly at info at children'sairwayfirst.org. As a reminder, 252 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:54,880 this podcast and the opinions expressed here are not a medical diagnosis. If you suspect your child 253 00:27:54,880 --> 00:28:01,920 might have an airway issue, contact your pediatric dentist or pediatrician. And now let's jump back 254 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,280 into my interview with today's guest, Linda Harris. 255 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:23,200 Right. Well, I've been very fortunate. I worked with an airway. He's an airway dentist from 256 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:29,280 West Virginia. It's Dr. Felix Liao. Oh, we love Dr. Liao. 257 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:39,120 Okay. Well, I have worked with Dr. Liao. And in fact, Dr. Liao told them there's a fibromyalgia 258 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:45,920 summit that's going on October the 5th in Houston. And Dr. Liao told them about me and they called 259 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:54,480 and asked if I would attend. So then I will be talking to dentists and doctors and chiropractors 260 00:28:54,480 --> 00:29:00,800 about what I'm doing and what I'm finding. Because I believe the reason that they have such a 261 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:08,160 difficult time finding out all about fibro is the only person that would know is somebody that's gone 262 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:14,400 through it like me. Because it's three different things. So how would they find that out? 263 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:24,640 You know, like they don't. So Dr. Liao had me go to his dental conference and I talked to the 264 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:31,120 dentists there. And I also, it was really interesting. I want to tell you that, you know, 265 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:37,920 a lot of adults have airway problems. And I asked them why they have people take their dentures out 266 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,480 at night. And they said, Oh, because, you know, that's what we're taught at school. It's for gum health. 267 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:48,880 And I said, I want to tell you, there's a lady down the road for me. She lost her license. They said 268 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,760 she's early dementia because she couldn't, she wasn't coming out with the wrong word when she talked. 269 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,840 Okay. I said to her, do you sleep well? And her husband says, Oh, no, she's up half the night. 270 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,240 She doesn't sleep well at all. And I said, Well, you know what, when I interview people in their 271 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:10,800 20s, 30s, 50s, whatever, they all have problems finding their words because they're not sleeping 272 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:17,920 well. I said, this is not from dementia or anything. Right. So I said to her, will you 273 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:23,840 leave your dentures in at night for one week? And then I want to talk to you and find out 274 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:29,440 what's happening. Well, one week later, she was sleeping through till eight o'clock in the morning. 275 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,080 She had no problems finding her words because she was sleeping better. And so I wrote a letter to 276 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,520 the dentist, to the doctor. And I said, you know, would you be willing to do a sleep study with 277 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,240 their dentures in and their dentures out? I believe the reason that she can't find her words 278 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:55,280 is because she sleep deprived. And he refused. Oh, she continued to lose her license. And there 279 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:01,920 was nothing that we could do. But when I told this to the dentist said, Dr. Leows, they were going, 280 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:09,840 oh my God, it was like a light bulb. Come on. This lady dentist from, she was from California. 281 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:16,400 And she says, oh my God, how come we never thought of that? I said, you're trading their gum health 282 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:23,520 for their airway. And she's going, oh my God, that makes so much sense. So she was going back to 283 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,560 California to call her patients at a dentures to see if they'd leave them in and see what the 284 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,120 effect was for them. And that's just, you know, that's case in point of, if you've heard, I'm sure 285 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,640 you have Matthew Walker talk about sleep and how important it is and how the cognitive impacts that 286 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:45,840 it's having. And if you think about all these kids that we're not catching, it's bad enough for us, 287 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:55,200 but they're having it for decades before adulthood. I think you can impact your IQ up to 10 points. 288 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,520 Not to mention, as you mentioned ADHD, they're going to get misdiagnosed with that. They're not 289 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:05,040 going to do well in school. And they could, if we just can help their airway and help them sleep 290 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:12,240 so that their body can restore. That's right. Now, Dr. Leo probably, I don't know, please mention 291 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:19,600 this on his podcast, but what they told me is our jaws used to be larger. So centuries ago, 292 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,880 people did not, they didn't have to have wisdom teeth out. They're beautiful teeth. They're lined 293 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,560 up. They weren't proud. Why? Because they had larger jaws. And the reason they had larger jaws 294 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:38,880 is because the hunter gathers, they use their jaws more. And so they had breastfeeding for two or 295 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:48,080 three years, then they would chew on bones. They didn't have soothers. They'd let the kids chew 296 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:55,600 on bones. And so the kids developed the muscles in their jaw and their jaws developed more and so 297 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:03,120 that they were larger. And so what they said, the reason it's smaller is because we're not 298 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:09,680 breastfeeding and even the ones that are breastfeeding, then we feed them soft food for a couple 299 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,360 of years and they never developed their jaw muscles. And therefore their jaws are actual 300 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:23,040 facial structure and our whole jaw is smaller now than what it was a hundred years ago. 301 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:30,880 And so our teeth are crowded. We're having to have wisdom teeth out and all of these things are 302 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:36,800 affecting our health. And this is usually the point in the podcast when a bomb like this is 303 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,560 dropped. I like to tell parents, everybody, let's take a collective breath. We didn't know, for all 304 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,960 of us that thought we were doing great by making our own soft baby food because it was healthier. 305 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:54,480 It's okay. Just deep breath. This is where we are now. Let's focus on correcting because we didn't 306 00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:01,680 know. No, and that's true. I mean, my kids have problems, although it's really interesting. 307 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:09,600 And obviously I learned this because my daughter is missing her lateral teeth and she's also got 308 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:17,280 six baby teeth with no adult teeth behind. It's congenital from a grandmother. And so she's got 309 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:25,840 a narrow palate. So then I could get her palate expanded and she went to Dr. Rondo. And so this 310 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:36,480 is being a gift from God for me and for my whole family, really. But people, this is our opportunity 311 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:47,520 to educate parents, educate dentists, doctors, everybody to say, what? This isn't something, 312 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:56,000 the doctors look after the head, the doctors look after anything below the neck, the regular 313 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:02,720 dentist do your teeth. But if you don't have anybody that can look at the size of your mouth 314 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:09,760 and whether or not you've got a high palate or your jaws back, what happens is there's nobody to 315 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:16,880 help them. And that's where the problem lies. I mean, you just can't have one wonderful dentist 316 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,720 like Brock Rondo. Right. Right. And I will tell you, dentist after dentist that has been on here, 317 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:32,160 Dr. Moralia, Dr. Boyd, Dr. Leo, just they all mentioned they're taught, let's look at the teeth. 318 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,880 That's our focus. No, it's not. Let's start with the jaw. Let's look at the airway. I mean, 319 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,800 that's, it's the whole area. It's the whole cavity and you have to focus on it. And if you see something, 320 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:51,200 send them do an ENT, alert the pediatrician. That's right. Now, Dr. Leo, he does a CAT scan. 321 00:35:52,720 --> 00:36:00,240 They go to his office. I've sent people to him and one lady had severe, severe indigestion, had 322 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:08,400 all these issues. And I sent her to Dr. Leo and they did the CAT scan and her airway was severely 323 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:14,560 compromised. No one else had ever told her that. Because they weren't looking at it. 324 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:23,440 And it had a going to Virginia. Wow. Just to see him. And yeah, I'll make sure I'll put the link to 325 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:31,120 Dr. Leo's on here also. But Dr. Harold does the same thing. He does the CVCT scan because again, 326 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:38,880 and he, Dr. Leo, which I'll link both of those in the show notes, both show these amazing visuals 327 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:46,480 where you can actually see how the airway comes in versus once they've expanded, 328 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:52,000 they do the exact same person and wide open. That's right. And the interesting thing is, 329 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,520 I've worked with four dentists and it's in my book in the last chapter, I've got like 330 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:05,280 nine case studies from the dentist I worked with. But Dr. Leo and Dr. Garcia both help kids with Tourette. 331 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:12,320 Okay. So I thought, now how are they doing that? So I went on a Tourette's documentary 332 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,000 so that I could see what these kids look like. Do you know that they all are narrow, 333 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,440 just like Maya, the little girl that I saw, every single one of them? No, I had no idea. 334 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,600 I'm telling you, there was 10 kids on this documentary and every single one of them was 335 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:36,240 narrow, which means they've got a high palate. And I will send you the video from Dr. Garcia. 336 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:42,880 He's a young boy. He had a cross bite and he got rid of his Tourette's by making him a sprint. 337 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:48,880 Right. So you know what? What a wonderful thing to give people with Tourette's 338 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:57,120 maybe an opportunity to at least go to somebody to see if they can have their palate expanded 339 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,400 and if it will get rid of their symptoms because trigeminal nerve, all the nerves come through, 340 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:10,480 you know, the jaw. And it's amazing. Dr. Garcia and Dr. Leo help kids with Tourette's. 341 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:17,360 I mean, it is mind blowing, but you know what? If we don't get the information out there, 342 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:23,520 how are people going to get help? Exactly. Exactly. So to that point, as a nurse, 343 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:31,200 when you have a parent that's seen some of these symptoms and they're hitting these roadblocks, 344 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,520 where do they go? How do you guide your patients or the people that you interview, 345 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:44,080 especially if it's, you know, children? Well, I actually do presentations at libraries. 346 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:50,640 I do presentations at ladies groups. And what I do, you don't need a referral to get into Dr. 347 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,760 Rondo. So I just send them to Dr. Rondo. I said, he's got all the equipment to assess to see if 348 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:02,880 he can help you. And so, but the response I've had is absolutely amazing. These people, 349 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,440 these people are getting better and people are calling me and thanking me for everything I've 350 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,160 done. And I said, don't thank me. You thank God. I didn't find you. He sent you to see me. 351 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:19,280 Yeah. So, so it's, it's not me. I was blessed to get better. And I was only sick for two years. 352 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:26,960 And I will tell you, when I got better, when they took that bridge off, I come home and my, 353 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,200 I said, honey, I'm so much better. And he's looked at me and he says, honey, your eyes 354 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,440 look different. And I said, what do you mean? And he says, I can see the blue in your eyes now. 355 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,920 So what that meant is I was in fight and flight. I knew that they were dying. I thought it was 356 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:55,120 from the pain I had. But what Dr. Dan Gold said, he said, he said that, you know, everybody looks at 357 00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:02,640 the sympathetic nervous system and being stressed. Doctors look at it as psychological. And Dr. 358 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,720 Dr. Gold said, I just took away your structure and your dental stressors, and your pupils went to 359 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:18,240 normal. Yours was not psychological. Yours was dental. So I know it sounds unbelievable, but that 360 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:27,760 information is in my book. And anybody, even parents with ADHD, they can do the airway questionnaire 361 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:36,000 in my book. And then look at Maya and look at if their kids look similar to Maya. And I've got a list 362 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:43,760 of some dentists that are across the country that can look at airway. They're not drill filled 363 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,320 dentists through dentists that have gone and taken extra courses and have an understanding of what 364 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:56,560 we're talking about. Yep. And I'll also include, we have a list. It's an airway dentist locator. 365 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:02,240 And it also includes some myofunctional therapists from Airway Health Solutions, which is Dr. Moralia. 366 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:07,840 So I'll make sure we put that in the show notes as well for parents because Moralia is amazing. 367 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:15,280 I listen to a lot of his, he's the one that did the one, the YouTube video on ADHD. 368 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,920 Which will include in the show notes as well. Right. And he's done a lot of YouTube videos with 369 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:32,240 Lauren. And it's amazing what you can learn by listening to their podcast. And I thank them 370 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:39,360 for everything that they're doing because that's just another part of the puzzle that kids get. 371 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:45,600 People, the education to know what is possible. Absolutely. And for those that don't know, 372 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:51,280 we recently just launched the parents portal and the clinicians corner on our website. And the 373 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:58,000 clinicians corner is co-branded and the curriculum, everything comes from Airway Health Solutions, 374 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,680 who we are now partners with. Because that's part of the puzzle piece. We can educate and help parents, 375 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:10,160 but we need help educating the medical community. And they are our partners to make sure that we 376 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,920 are doing that together. And it's a phenomenal partnership. Yeah, we're very, very blessed to 377 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:22,000 be coming alongside them to do that. So I'll include links to that as well in our show notes for everyone. 378 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,640 Oh, that's wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. Because all of it is education. All of it is 379 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:36,480 information out. And you know what? I am so passionate. My goal is to help a million people. 380 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:46,320 And I need help from everybody to be able to do that. And I'd love to be on the 381 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:52,960 Good Morning America or Today Show Anything to get the information out. Because this is 382 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:59,360 countrywide. This is a problem. Actually, it's more than country. It's global. There's 400 million 383 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,040 children that we're trying to help. And at CAF, we're focused on children. Well, 384 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,720 those children become adults. So just the statistics of how many adults are walking 385 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:16,320 around with these issues is mind blowing. Right. And if you know what a difference we could make. 386 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:26,160 Gerald Simons. Yes, Dr. Simons is on our board. Yes. Well, the wonderful thing is at my presentation, 387 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:33,920 I show his video, the misfit mouth. Oh, yeah. He talks about Johnny that had ADHD and then he had 388 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:40,800 teeth pulled and then it became bipolar. And what I'll tell you, I measure people's upper palate. What 389 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:48,640 I do in assessment. And what I will tell you is I've only had four. But the bipolar people, 390 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:54,400 I could only get half a cotton roll in. They were the narrowest of anybody I measured that I measured. 391 00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:03,440 So now wouldn't it be wonderful if they didn't, you know, research on this and found that really 392 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,600 what it was is their sleep deprived too. Wouldn't that be amazing? At least we just get them some 393 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:16,240 kind of relief. Right. And not a complete cure. You know, if they had their palate expanded, how 394 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:21,440 many, you know, even if they did five people and expanded their palate and then looked at it and 395 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:27,360 looked at what is the response, you know, some of these people, some of these people don't have 396 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:35,920 the money to get fixed because they're not able to work or they've got airway problems, 397 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:42,160 they can't sleep and therefore they can't work. And if they could do a research study, that would 398 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:50,400 be so amazing to think that, you know, there's so many disease processes that are related to this. 399 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:56,560 Yes. It's almost mind boggling. It really is. I mean, think of the impact we could have on the 400 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:03,760 entire health community just globally. We could and we could do this just being laypeople, 401 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:11,360 just laypeople and getting it out. I mean, people come to me every day that I interview. 402 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:18,480 I interview them for free. I've been blessed and I feel that I can bless other people, 403 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,680 but I have to tell you consistently, I can tell people what their symptoms are, whether they have 404 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,680 TMJ, whether they have airway issues and people people leave are almost crying with joy. 405 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:37,920 Understandably. It's absolutely understandable. That's right. It is. And this seems like a good 406 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:45,760 time to mention too, by the way, that for parents, we have a our first ever parent town hall that 407 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:52,880 we're co-hosting with Dr. Moralia and Lauren with Airway Health Solutions. I will put the link in 408 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:59,440 our show notes. It is on November 8th. It is virtual, so all parents are welcome and we're 409 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,000 asking people to submit their questions ahead of time. And then also, I know you're going to be a 410 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:11,440 part of the Airway Palooza event in New Orleans, which is in March 2024. And I'll make sure to put a 411 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:18,960 link in there and dentist, myofunctional therapist, pediatricians, anyone that's working with children 412 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:25,680 in an area. We invite you to come to that event as well. Yeah. And if you stop by our booth, 413 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:32,080 we will have your book along with a few others. We have people that they can talk to. So it's 414 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,800 a huge event. It's a great learning opportunity for the entire medical world. 415 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:44,160 And that's where it starts. It all starts with education. It all starts with getting the information 416 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:52,320 out. And I would really like to approach the Minister of Health in Canada because with our 417 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:59,040 healthcare system being paid for by the government, they would save so much money if that's what they 418 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:08,800 did. So that's really, that's where my goal is. And I'm going through my member of parliament. And 419 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:14,320 there's enough people that I've helped that are going to Dr. Rondo. I mean, I send him hundreds 420 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:21,600 of people. And once they start to get better, we can get a group and we can go there and we can 421 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:33,120 make a difference for everybody else in this world. And get some research done and come up with 422 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:39,120 solutions that no one else has really thought of. Well, except for Dr. Rondo, of course. Well, yeah. 423 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:49,360 And Dr. Leo and there. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Dr. Leo, he got me invited to the FiberMail summit in 424 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:57,680 Houston on October 5th. I'm going. So they wanted me to go to collaborate. And that's, you know, 425 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:06,720 what an opportunity. And then people, you know, I will read you what Dr. Leo put in my book as a 426 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:18,080 testimony. Dr. Leo wrote, as a nurse, Linda Harris has more training on TMJ, airway and head 427 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,760 John neck alignment than nearly all doctors and dentists. Her extensive knowledge plus her TLC 428 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:30,480 heart makes Linda Harris an angel among humans. And that's written by Dr. Leo. And I've got, 429 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:37,360 I've got other ones from other dentists. Dr. Rondo did the forward for my book. I've had an 430 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:45,760 opportunity, you know, I come from a little village. And I've had an opportunity to meet for the most 431 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:52,800 amazing dentists ever. And I am so blessed. And, you know, they're all willing to listen to what I 432 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:59,840 have to say, which really, you know, not a lot of other professionals, they, they would not be 433 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:07,360 listening to a nurse. I'll tell you that. But I've had other other dentists and podcasts mentioned 434 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:14,400 that there are others in the medical community that won't even listen to a dentist. So this is 435 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,920 not a message that everybody is totally open to because again, it's not what they were taught. 436 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,920 So it's time to just change the conversation and let's reset and, you know, play from the same 437 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,840 playbook, everyone, everyone in the entire medical community. 438 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:36,000 Well, the interesting thing is I used to put doctors at the healthcare pyramid at the top. 439 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:44,960 I now put a dentist and a chiropractor at the top. And what I realized is being a nurse that we really 440 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:50,320 treated symptoms. We really never, ever looked for the cause of what the problem was. Yep. 441 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,840 But again, let's go back to that. Do it as a group, right? Let's do this holistically. 442 00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,720 Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's what's going to be so wonderful when I go to 443 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:06,400 Houston is because they're all professionals. There's surgeons, there's chiropractors, there's 444 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,480 dentists. And now there's going to be a nurse. As it should be. I love that. That's right. 445 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:19,120 So at the end of every episode, I always like to hand it back to the guest because you are the 446 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:26,320 experts and that's what people are here to hear. What would you like? What's the last word or 447 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:32,800 message that you would like to leave with parents? That there is help out there. It's 448 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:40,320 researching and finding out for yourself that there is treatment for your kids other than 449 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:46,640 from a doctor. And the more you research, the more you're going to find out, you're going to see 450 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:56,480 videos from Dr. Morale. Is it Morale? Morale, yeah. And you're going to be able to educate 451 00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:04,640 yourself to realize who it is that you should be going to get help for your children. The sad part 452 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:10,480 of it is I went to the board of education. I went to the schools. I went to the teachers. Anything 453 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:17,760 to try to find out. How could I find out about helping parents? And they said they can't get 454 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:26,000 involved that that's the way it is. And you know what? So now I advertise and I have all sorts of 455 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:32,960 people out there telling other people about what I'm doing. And you know what? The more we get 456 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,640 kids helped, the more they're going to tell other parents and we're going to get a whole lot of 457 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:46,240 people help. And then it's going to become a normal thing to look at kids' palates, to look at their 458 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:52,880 tongue ties, to look at what does the roof of their mouth, what's it like? So we can get them help. 459 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:59,840 You know, who wants to be ADHD for the whole life when there's a solution? Or even worse, 460 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:04,400 maybe you're ADHD now and as you progress, as Dr. Harrell and some of the others have pointed out, 461 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,640 it'll turn into a cardiac issue or early dementia or something that could have been avoided. 462 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:17,120 You know what? You were absolutely right about that. Absolutely. And you know, is this the answer 463 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,680 to some of our dementia and Alzheimer's and stuff like that? Like who knows? But we can 464 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:30,240 help the toe unless we do the research to find out. Right. Right. So Michael, get that million 465 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:36,320 million people helped and make a difference in this world, which is basically what we all should be 466 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:44,320 doing is helping one another. Very well said. I agree. Thank you so much for being on today, Linda. 467 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,920 100% appreciate everything you're doing and the information that you shared today. Thank you. 468 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:57,280 Oh, you're very welcome. Very, very welcome. We will help people together. Yes, we will. Okay. 469 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:05,840 Thank you. Thanks again to today's guest, Linda Harris, for sharing our personal journey and medical 470 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:12,480 insight and each of you for listening to today's episode. If you're new to our podcasts, please 471 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,120 don't forget to subscribe. 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