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Hi everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Airway First, the podcast from the Children's

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Airway First Foundation.

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I'm your host, Rebecca St. James.

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My guests today are the dynamic team from Ashburn Children's Dentistry, Dr. Linda Dean

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Daru, and Dr. Crystal Dean Daru.

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Dentist Linda Daru has spent her life pursuing a career in dentistry and building a successful

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dental practice that caters to the oral health needs and well-being of children and patients

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with special needs.

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In her more than 20 years of experience practicing integrative functional holistic pediatric

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dentistry, Dr. Linda has developed a unique approach to treating patients that reflects

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an impressive skill set fortified by extensive training in the most innovative therapies

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and technologies.

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Dr. Crystal specializes in providing empathetic care and personalized treatment plans to

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address her pediatric patients' airway, sleep, breathing, and growth concerns, ensuring their

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healthy smiles and brightest futures.

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The entire team at Ashburn Children's Dentistry believes in treating the source of their patients'

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issues instead of just the symptoms.

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They focus on early prevention and in educating parents while assisting their blossoming children's

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development into a healthy, resilient adult.

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You can read the full biographies for both Dr. Linda and Dr. Crystal in our show notes,

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and you can find out more about Ashburn Children's Dentistry at kidssmile.com.

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And now let's jump into my interview with Dr. Linda Dean-Diroux and Dr. Crystal Dean-Diroux.

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All right, good morning.

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Thank you both for joining us on the show.

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Great.

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Thank you for having us.

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It's truly, truly a pleasure.

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So let's jump right in because I know when we first connected, I did a lot of work on

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your website for my research purposes.

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And I feel like I really know you now.

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I love your website, by the way.

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I'm excited.

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Dr. Linda, if you would, I'd like to start with you and just share with our listeners

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your journey and your story, where your passion for dentistry and airway has come from.

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Oh, thank you so much.

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That's a great question.

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I always get goosebumps when I start this story because I knew when I was about nine

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years old that this was a line of work I was going to be doing and happened because I'm

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the first of nine children, eight surviving, and one of my younger brothers had a tooth

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ache and whacked from originally, we didn't really worry about teeth.

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It was malaria that was more endemic.

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So every week you were worried if you got malaria.

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And so he had this pain that wouldn't go away and his face was getting swollen.

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The pediatrician said, you have to go to the dental office.

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Meanwhile, he was now sleeping and the only one he would allow to take care of him was

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me.

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So I put him on my back and walked the balcony every night until we got to the dental office.

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And then when we got there and he had the tooth down, it was like a different kid.

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This was a young girl.

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Right.

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And I said to that dentist, what do you have to do to be this kind of doctor?

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And she said, oh, it's hard.

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It's this.

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I don't care.

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This is a kind of doctor I would want to be anyhow.

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Fast forward many years later, I was just sick.

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Couldn't recover from bronchitis.

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I actually had to leave a party I'd gone to in Miami, but I didn't leave a party.

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It's a problem.

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So we had to come home because that just was not well.

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And going from doctor to doctor, I was feeling fatigued and brain fog.

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Couldn't concentrate.

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I was getting really scared because doctor to doctor, no one knew what was wrong with

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me.

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And they started treating me for Lyme disease, but I knew I didn't have Lyme disease.

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But if that's what was going to make me feel better, I was ready to try it.

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But I wasn't getting better.

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And so I had gone to my fifth doctor, which was an internist at the fifth doctor.

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And she took one look in my mouth and she said, oh, I bet you have sleep apnea.

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Of course, I rolled my eyes.

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I'm like, what are you doing?

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Just looking in my mouth and saying that.

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But she was right.

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I had a sleep test and I had moderate sleep apnea.

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So I got on the CPAP and my life was different again.

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And then it's like, oh, I could feel better.

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I wasn't as tired anymore.

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I could concentrate and do my work.

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And then I worked for a while, about seven years or so.

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And then the symptoms started coming back.

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And my option at that point was to have my jaws broken so that they could get more room

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for my tongue.

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And I didn't want to do that.

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So yeah, in looking for options for myself, I think it was 2017.

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I had gone for one of the conferences where I heard Dr. Gilmino speak.

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Like all the famous people about sleep and everything was pointing to your face.

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Everything was pointing to your jaw.

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And like, oh my God.

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So that was a big aha.

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And so I started on a journey for myself.

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And so I'm off my CPAP now for about two years, going almost three years.

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However, what it did for me was let me understand that one sleep apnea is preventable and extreable.

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And even more importantly, I work with kids.

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So we work with kids and we see them as early as two days old.

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The signs are there because I saw pictures of me as a baby and the signs were there.

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But no one knows.

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You don't know that you can't do anything about it.

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So that's what's caused us to be on this second mission of making sure that the kids

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get their faces developed as well as they can so they can sleep better and breathe better

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as early as possible.

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So and I love that moment.

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That's really where that has come from.

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Love that.

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And you mentioned something that you see them as early as two days old, which to me, I mean,

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that's just kind of a moment.

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It just that that gives me chills because that's one of the things we're preaching.

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You got to see them early.

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Don't wait.

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Don't wait.

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How do you convince parents for two days old?

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How did you pull that off?

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That's a great question.

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And most of the times when they come at two days old and having trouble nursing, they're

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having trouble relaxing.

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And so breastfeeding becomes an issue.

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And now you got to understand breastfeeding should be a natural process.

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It should not be.

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It should just come easily for a baby.

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So if a baby is having trouble, then you'd have to investigate why you'd have to think

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about what could possibly make this baby not be able to do a natural process.

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And so when they do come, we want to figure out some what's this child being through?

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What's their birth story?

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What happened during pregnancy?

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And yeah, funny you should say, I asked that question because most of the moms, they're

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not expecting a lot of what we're asking because they're going to have to do a T. However, it

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is very important because the tongue is the second organ that's formed after the heart

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when the baby is developing.

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And not many people understand that the tongue is attached all the way down.

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So when you say that, their eyes open up and their mouths go like, what do you mean?

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And so anyhow, so if a baby is having trouble, action could be a number of things.

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It's not necessarily most people's, oh, they have a tongue tie.

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Maybe they do.

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However, it's mostly what that baby has been through.

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Maybe the neurology, the nerves are not functioning as well.

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So maybe they got stuck in the canal.

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Maybe they came out with a vacuum.

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Maybe they were sunny side up.

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Maybe they had cord wrapped around their neck.

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So all of those will affect how their bodies function.

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So before in our practice, before we actually go and say, oh, they have a tongue tie, you

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have to cut, we go through a very comprehensive process of assessing what the baby is like,

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what happened, where else could this be coming from?

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Make sure there's no tension in the body.

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Make sure there's communication between the brain and the rest of the body and especially

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around the mouth and the tongue so that the body can function as it best.

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And so some of the times like the time you go through this process, the baby is actually

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nursing and nursing better.

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However, if they're still not nursing as well, then if there is a structural tie, meaning

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there's something there that is restricted in the motion of the tongue, then that's when

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you now can do such cool reliefs.

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Although in our practice, we do a dual wavelength release, meaning there's a laser that releases

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the body fascia and laser that does the cutting.

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So that laser that releases body fascia, we call it a baby lace.

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And so that gets done many, many multiple times to make sure that the nerves are traveling

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properly again, like I explained, make sure that fascia is flowing and free flowing and

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gliding and that can help with function.

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So after getting that functional exam and getting all their body tension got working properly,

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of course, it's a village that does care of that.

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It is a village.

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Not just us.

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We have the usurpatic position, lactation consultants, sometimes baby friendly chiropractors.

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There's so many people.

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So many people that come into that process.

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But our goal is almost like to be a quarterback with triage and now understanding that their

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function has been compromised.

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We now know that the tongue which is supposed to rest on the roof of your mouth, it hasn't

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been doing that properly.

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So now it becomes important to guide that face as it grows.

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I just, I'm having a moment at this point because this is exactly part of what our platform,

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I mean, we are preaching and you guys are doing it.

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It is.

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It is a village.

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And it is, it is from head to toe.

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And that's the way all medical professionals should see children head to toe, not just this

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is my area.

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You guys just give me goosebumps.

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That's all I'm saying.

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So Dr. Crystal, one of the things that I know that you're connected with and I always say

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this wrong, but Alph Interface Academy Foundation for Airway Health.

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That is quite a mouthful.

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Right.

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It is a big mouthful.

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And we've had Dr. Tasha on and she spoke briefly about Alph.

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But for people that haven't heard that podcast, what is the ALF treatment and how is that

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different from braces?

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You know, especially for parents who might not know anything about this.

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Well, that's an excellent question.

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And it is something we get all the time as far as like what it is.

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I learned more recently, Dr. Linda has has done many levels of the ALF training and the

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level three up to level three with Dr. Bronson.

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We've learned and worked with and with Dr. Derek Norsham, who is the inventor of ALF

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and that's the alternative life, light wire functional appliance, which in and of itself

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you want to think of it, we've talked about the importance of the tongue.

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You want to think of it as a surrogate tongue.

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You want to think of it as a light wire that sits on the roof of the mouth of a child or

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even an adult and allows the tongue to or allows the body to think that the tongue is

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always resting there.

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And why that's important is that it allows bone to be formed and allows the structure

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of the maxilla, which is one of the most important bones in our faces to actually start growing

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outward forward on three dimensions.

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And the reason why it's a bit different than braces is that braces is more of a fixed cosmetic

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kind of structure or treatment, right?

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It doesn't affect the soft tissue, the tongue.

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It doesn't take into effect the foundation and it really is just looking at the teeth.

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So oftentimes because it's kind of like a fixed way of creating a nice Hollywood smile,

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it takes it and sometimes you have to use whatever real estate you have on the bone

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structure or on your underfaith.

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Oftentimes it may even restrict that process, what we're talking about, which is allowing

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the body to grow forward and allowing the airway and the nose and everything to be at

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a proper structure so there's more function.

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So it's really, really technique sensitive.

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It does rely on proper functioning of the tongue as well.

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And it's an amazing and it's flexible and it's not painful, but it goes beyond, again,

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just straightening the teeth.

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It helps to balance out the force of the cranium and other cranial strains and things like that.

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So for some people they call it an expansion device and it's actually far from just an

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expansion device.

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It's like a surrogate tongue.

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It allows for bone to be made and even settling of the sympathetic nervous system as well.

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So lots and lots of things as to why it's different from regular braces.

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Regular braces or just braces in and of itself, I like to let parents know or tell them that

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that's for the Hollywood smile.

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So that can actually be attained through Invisalign.

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It can be attained.

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It's the reason why you can, what did they say?

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Let's say this, braces do the mail now, right?

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Teeth.

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You can move teeth.

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That's not what it's about because the teeth are connected to something.

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And so if that foundation is not established properly, then you'll get straight teeth,

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but then you start to get a whole host of other issues in the scenes.

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And that's where you have the relapse, right?

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That's why we have where retainers once again or for life or have braces done again.

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It is an incredible device, the ALF appliance, but it's very technique sensitive.

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It only takes a little bit of fine touch and fine movement or adjustment to really do its

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magic, right?

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Right.

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And on the body.

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Yeah.

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So many comments too going through my head while you're talking.

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So I think we're all coming to sea braces as we're fixing the symptom.

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We're not going to the root.

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I think we're finally getting there.

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Slowly.

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This has been a very hard process to get through for a lot of people.

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But one of the things I like about listening to your explanation of the ALF is it's not

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just going to give them room and reset because it's touching your systems.

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Do you see kids?

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Do you see their anxiety change?

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Do you see them sleep better?

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Do you?

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Oh, whatever.

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Oh, yeah.

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Some time.

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The answer is yes, and then the other surprising and because every child is different, this

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is where you start to see how different everybody's anatomy and everybody's physiology is.

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Once you take it out for some kids, they're like, if you bring me back my appliance, they

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actually, they yearn for it back.

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I had mine.

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I had one as well.

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I just, it needs to be adjusted again.

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But I saw a lot of changes even in my TMJ that was clicking and popping.

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I saw changes in my sleep.

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Not only because now I'm more aware, obviously, but that's just what it started to do.

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It's very unique for every child.

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You can't just have an ALF that you just put it in.

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You have to have an ALF that's made just for you.

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You do start to see a lot of different.

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Some kids stop bedwetting.

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Some kids stop.

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Just by having the ALF in.

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It's an amazing thing just by putting it without doing anything, just putting what you made

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for them.

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Some of them don't even want to have it taken out.

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They find it amazing to me.

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No, no, that's actually true.

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When I said I got off my seatbub, it was the way that I got off my seatbub.

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I was being treated by Dr. Brunson over in my claim here in Virginia.

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If you can see the adjustment on the ALF, you've done too much.

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Sometimes it gets a bad rep because people are using it as an expansion of finance.

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It is not an expander.

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What it is is something that helps the body feel like it can do its job.

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Making the brain think that the tongue is up allows the brain to actually function better.

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It is you who is making that expansion because you're moving your tongue up.

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Of course, there are many parts of it.

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When I said it's a village, it's still a village trying to make your head way better.

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You get the osteopath making sure that you don't have any compression and the nerves

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of the skull, the bones are moving all in place so that the nerves can actually get

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the messaging to that part of that body.

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Then you get training the muscles.

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In our practice, we are a lot more comprehensive.

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We're not treating just this and this.

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Once we get to the root cause for this patient, then we're going to look at it from a structure,

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function, behavior, nutrition, and posture.

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There's so much that is combined into the way we look at that.

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Again, if the brain is not functioning properly, the nerves are not functioning properly.

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I'm sorry.

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You can do everything you want, but it's not going to be as easy or even the outcome is

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not going to be as good as if the brain is now settled and you're in a good parasympathetic

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mode like the line is not coming after you the whole time.

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It's much easier for you to be able to function to your fullest potential.

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It's amazing.

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You mentioned you opened up the topic of neurology.

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Let's just go there.

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I'll put a link to this in our show notes for people because you have this great article

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from University of Chicago Medicine that talks about this.

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We've mentioned this a few times before and it doesn't really go over well with parents.

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As a parent, I get it because you hear it and you go, you're just in a tailspin.

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Lack of oxygen, sleep apnea, it can have an impact on a child's IQ than the gray matter

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of the brain, but up to 10 IQ points, which is big.

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If your kid came out with a 160, yay, they're only going down to 150, not that big of a deal,

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but for the rest of us, 10 points is a big deal.

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How do you, in your practice, how do y'all address this with that?

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With parents?

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How do you, because I know if you told me as a parent, I said, I'm in a tailspin.

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I'm checked out.

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I'm panicked at this point.

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I'm not going to hear you.

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How do you address this with parents and what kind of treatments do you offer?

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Hey, your child has had sleep apnea for six years.

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Here's what we're going to do.

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That's a great question.

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I think maybe you just answered an important question because we're constantly trying to

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tell all the parents and so now you're saying, I'll check out.

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I go, yeah, a lot of them are checked out because we do educate.

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We educate a lot.

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Sometimes maybe a little too much, but we have the burden of knowledge.

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So we feel like you have to know for me, it's even more personal because I have been through

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it, sleep apnea and stage.

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There's a lot that happens before you get there.

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I was having reflux.

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I was having migraines.

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I was like, from a very young age, I didn't know what.

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I'm an anxious kid.

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Many people don't know that, but I have a lot of anxiety, but I managed to mask it well.

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You're first of age.

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You get compensated.

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You get a like, like you know.

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But anyhow, so we're really into a lot of education for our parents.

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We each give them articles.

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We give visuals.

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It's not uncommon to see me.

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I go like, there are the skulls, 22 bones, 14 of them are in your face.

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And the max, everything is connected.

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The top jaw, which you call the maxilla, it's a bone almost like this.

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This part of it is a side of your nose.

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So when that baby or when the child comes in and their palate is high-volted, it doesn't

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just walk like this.

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It falls up and sideways like that.

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That sideways is the sides of their nose.

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So their noses get smaller.

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They have a smaller space to breathe.

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And so if you're waiting to do braces, okay, fine.

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You can get the teeth straight, but you haven't done anything throughout that bone or that

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nose so they can breathe well and sleep well.

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Breathing should be invisible.

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Breathing should be, you should not hear your child breathing.

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Their lips should be closed.

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We're born obligated nose breathers, meaning you come out, your mouth will be sealed.

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You should be able to breathe through your nose properly.

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So when that's not happening, then it's important to figure out why.

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So most parents don't know.

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And even when you say your child is not breathing, no, no, no, my child doesn't breathe.

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And mouth breathing doesn't always mean like your mouth is hanging open like that.

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It could just be.

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Yeah, I could be just that.

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I'm constantly leaning like this.

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Yeah, your jaw are constantly yawning or biting on stuff.

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So typically to answer your question as well, it doesn't just take one visit.

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It does take a couple years sometimes for parents to know.

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And so how we, we like to be that kind of safe space because they've come and they've

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seen other practitioners, they've gone to their pediatricians who have said nothing's

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wrong and they don't grow out of it.

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And so we find at first we said, oh my God, because of course with the bourbon of knowledge,

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you're just like, we've met and spoken to a lot of top, top, not only just dentists

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who are in this space, but physicians, psychologists and everything and knowing how everything

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connects.

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But then we also know that parents themselves have to kind of get through layers of their

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own anxiety before they reach a point.

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So what we like to do is just we keep setting the seeds, we hold space for them.

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We understand that time is going, but it's also never too late, right?

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And to meet parents where they are.

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And that's really what we've learned ourselves.

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We had to learn to meet ourselves where we were.

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You know, we're huge nerds, we're also huge healers and wanting to take care and then

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putting all the information together and now knowing what we do, which is, you know, start

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with laser therapy, we've been using laser since 2006, 2005.

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So we know that we've kind of been the fruit loops in the boxatarios for a long time.

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People have to kind of catch up.

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And now everything that's happening, including, you know, platforms like this, people are

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starting to catch up.

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Parents are getting even more educated and our huge thing now is health is education,

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right?

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So the more you are, the more you actually going to get healthier.

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It's just going to, you may have to face yourself in the mirror as a parent and say, okay, well,

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I know I went through this as a child.

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I know I turned out okay, maybe, but I know I want better.

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And a lot of parents that start to see, they say, okay, you were saying this a couple years

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ago.

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This is what's happened now.

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Or this is what's, I see it.

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Okay, so what do we do?

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That's where we meet them.

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We meet them at what do we do?

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And the actual dentist, we're seeing them grow.

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And we've, you know, our practice has been around for 22 years.

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So it's, you've seen kids, they don't, they don't leave actually.

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They're here till age 25, 26, because, you know, we keep taking good care of them.

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And so to, how do we explain it?

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We don't necessarily say your child's going to be the dumbest one in the thing where we're

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going to say, we're going to say, hey, they're going to have some, there's going to be some

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difficulties.

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And also they're already going to see parents.

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No, like mom intelligence as well.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Once you know, I mean, that's one of the biggest things too.

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We tell parents is first of all, don't knock yourself down.

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You didn't know.

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You didn't know.

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So let's just start there.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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And then you don't knock other providers as well.

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Right.

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Because no, because you don't know, you didn't learn it in medical.

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It wasn't there.

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It wasn't there.

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No, it wasn't connected.

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We, because I'm some of this stuff and I was like, I remember learning an anatomy, but

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I didn't realize how important it was.

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Yeah.

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It's all connected.

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Right.

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And I like to, one of the things you guys talk about is parents know their kids.

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So watch them.

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And we tell parents all the time, go watch and sleep.

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It's creepy, but don't watch them.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Three to five nights a week, maybe for a week or two, just go in there for about 15 minutes,

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watch them.

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You're going to see the snoring.

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You're going to hear the grinding.

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If you hear it and see it, there it is.

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Yes.

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The nightmares, the, you know, walking.

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The bed, wedding, late.

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Yeah.

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Sleep, walking.

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Yeah.

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It's all there.

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It's all there.

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So I know, I know you guys do it as early as two days, which I still can't get over.

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I love that so much.

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Well, but I know the ADA says by your first birthday.

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So let's just start with that one.

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So if a child comes in, Dashburn, what does that first visit look like?

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That's a great question.

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And so before they even come in, we usually will have a phone call and go over what we

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do for the kind of practice that we are.

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Because really we want to have people who appreciate the education and the technology and the effort

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we're putting to growing, helping them grow their child to their best potential.

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The paperwork, they're asking questions about the birth story.

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And you know, so some of the parents just, they don't understand.

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No, like why are you asking?

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I wouldn't know.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Anyhow, but of course it's a very friendly place that you can tell from our website.

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So in any case, so there's a lot of gathering information.

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What has this child been through?

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Do they have teeth now?

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What do they take to look like?

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So the teeth, if they're coming properly, they should be like picket fences.

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Like you could fit a nickel between each of the teeth.

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But if they're already like two teeth are coming and they're already crowded like that, light

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bulb should be going.

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The office should be starting to worry.

481
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:12,720
And we want to find out like what they're doing at home in terms of feeding and posture.

482
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,640
And you know, like so many things as we're very proactive, preventive oriented because

483
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,960
especially with what we know.

484
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,840
And so like we know that by five months of age, your brain is ready for the input for

485
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,240
chewing and that reflex, it's waiting for it.

486
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,400
And so we want to make sure that the child is getting whole foods and that chewing input

487
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:41,240
is what helps that neurology part about the chin, the jaw, the bottom jaw growing and

488
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,800
coming forward.

489
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:48,200
And so it's really important that parents introduce chewing whole foods.

490
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:54,200
And because if you miss that window of five months of age, five to six months of age, the

491
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,240
brain might start to feel like, okay, they don't need this anymore.

492
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,320
So it gets delayed that process of growing a lot of jaw.

493
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,720
So it's really important.

494
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,720
That's why we say two days of ocean when we see them at two days, we're asking them to

495
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,440
come back every three months so we can follow up properly.

496
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,920
But the ones we made at age one, we figure out where are they on, how are things going,

497
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,120
are they meeting milestones, are they on track for the growth of their jaws?

498
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,440
Obviously, we check to make sure they don't have cavities who teach the parents how to

499
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,440
care of them.

500
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Stay out of the fire range.

501
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,440
So they don't have to deal with like that.

502
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,440
Like that.

503
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,440
Or let's grow the face.

504
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,440
Yeah.

505
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,440
Yeah.

506
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,840
Lots of questions, you know, to get back to what we're doing to that, for them at age

507
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,400
one, lots of asking, lots of questions, lots of educating, and then also getting the kid

508
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:55,920
and the child much just like a custom and acquainted with the practice and acquainted

509
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,400
with things in their mouths or acquainted with just like being in the chair and all

510
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:07,680
of that and just having a good time so they equate good memories to coming to the dentist.

511
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,280
I love that.

512
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,280
That's brilliant.

513
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,000
And I've heard you mention, I've heard you mentioned a couple of times now growing the

514
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,000
face.

515
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Yes.

516
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,200
And Susan Maples mentions that as well as Dr. Tasha.

517
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:27,640
I mean, that's such an amazing, such an easy statement, but it is such a dramatic and amazing

518
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,640
shift.

519
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,640
It's perfect.

520
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,640
It's actually.

521
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,640
Yeah.

522
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,280
How do you explain this to parents to get them?

523
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,880
I mean, because that's, I know as a parent, if I walked into a dentist back, you know,

524
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,360
my children are old now.

525
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:47,240
I say, well, they're not that old, but and somebody had said, you know, growing the face,

526
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,360
I would have been, you know, wait, wouldn't be growing because it sounds kind of mutant

527
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,360
fast.

528
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,440
But, you know, now with all the knowledge of two years with calf, you know, I get it.

529
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,320
We're talking, you know, baby, we need things like this, but how do you explain this to

530
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,320
parents?

531
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,080
I think I'll start now, let Dr. Linda start too.

532
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:12,760
But I think because we actually call our program growing healthy faces.

533
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:19,480
And so just being able to let them know that this is such an important part of, and they

534
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,560
know it already, as far as like cosmetics, right?

535
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,840
Because the dentist really just like, make it pretty.

536
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,880
So, you know, it doesn't become, it's not too difficult to kind of explain and say,

537
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,600
okay, to make everything nice and healthy, good job on good, you know, eye level, things

538
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,600
like that.

539
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,560
These are the things that it requires, right?

540
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,960
And this is why it's important.

541
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,480
And then maybe kind of add in, did you know the sleep is important?

542
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,240
Did you know, you know, this kind of putting, especially when they come in very early, this

543
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,640
putting in those nuggets.

544
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:02,120
And then also, typically we have like a screening form and we have like different videos, QR

545
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,280
codes, different things where we're like, hey, we're going to be seeing you for a while.

546
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,760
So this is our first time we're giving you lots of homework.

547
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Next time you come, we're going to talk about I want you to bring lots of questions, even

548
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,160
if you have questions beforehand.

549
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,400
So we're very open to having sometimes parents leave and they're like, what is this, then

550
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,840
they want to have a meeting.

551
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,840
Right.

552
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:29,680
So we're open to having meetings and just being open to being their resource for these

553
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,320
weird questions or weird topics that seem to that come up for them.

554
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,960
You're always there for it.

555
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:41,720
So explaining it is, you know, giving them some of the things that we see, but then also

556
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,480
how it relates to the whole body and things like that, maybe relating to their history

557
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,040
of as well.

558
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,800
And then answering a ton of questions.

559
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,360
Yeah, which is great.

560
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,920
And that's a lot of visuals to it as well.

561
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,360
So, you know, how I bet.

562
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:03,120
So when we do ask that question about nursing and so we tell them why it was important and

563
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,440
why and if that hasn't happened, why it's important for it to happen so that the child

564
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,760
can continue to grow properly.

565
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,040
And then you're right, as a parent, you know, even me, when my doctor looked in my mouth

566
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,560
and say they had sleep apnea, I rolled my eyes.

567
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,560
So and with everything I know, everything I knew at that time.

568
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,280
So it's usually difficult for parents to make the connection between your teeth and the

569
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,840
rest of the body.

570
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,120
But ultimately, that's our goal.

571
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:39,560
And that's one of the reasons we were actually very happy to do this podcast because we want

572
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,840
as many parents as possible to ask questions.

573
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:49,400
So when the provider tells you, oh, it's just a tongue, it's just a mild tongue.

574
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,000
You know, see that tongue tie or not, because you can't, you're not mildly pregnant.

575
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Exactly.

576
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,480
It's mild sleep apnea.

577
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,480
Okay.

578
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,480
Mild sleep apnea.

579
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,320
How many, what is mild?

580
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:07,080
My child is not breathing or subspeeding four times every hour that they sleep.

581
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,680
And mind you, four times is the 10 seconds or more that is recorded.

582
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,840
So if it went 9.99 seconds, that's not recorded.

583
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,520
But is that good enough for your child?

584
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:19,520
Right.

585
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:43,040
You are listening to Airway First with today's guests, Dr. Linda Dean-Diru and Dr. Crystal

586
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,880
Dean-Diru.

587
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,720
You can find out more about the Children's Airway First Foundation and our mission to

588
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:54,400
fix before six on our website at childrensairwayfirst.org.

589
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,720
The CAF website offers tons of great resources for parents and medical professionals, including

590
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:09,360
videos, blogs, recommended reading lists, comprehensive medical research, podcasts, and so much more.

591
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,360
Parents are encouraged to join the Airway Huddle, our Facebook support group, which was created

592
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,360
for parents of children with airway and sleep-related issues.

593
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:24,960
You can access the Airway Huddle support group at facebook.com backslashgroups backslashairwayhuddle.

594
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,560
Are you a medical professional or a parent that's interested in being a guest on the

595
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,120
show or maybe you have an idea for an upcoming episode?

596
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,920
Then shoot us a note via our contacts page on our website or send us an email directly

597
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,160
at info at childrensairwayfirst.org.

598
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,680
As a reminder, this podcast and the opinions expressed here are not a medical diagnosis.

599
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,480
If you suspect your child might have an airway issue, contact your pediatric airway dentist

600
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,120
or pediatrician.

601
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,920
And now let's jump back into my interview with today's guests, Dr. Linda Dean-Diru

602
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:11,800
and Dr. Crystal Dean-Diru.

603
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:20,440
So, yeah.

604
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,440
Right.

605
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:28,480
And I was thinking about this when you mentioned it earlier, because just, you know, I'm thinking

606
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,600
about some of the other podcasts like with Dr. Leal, for example, and you brought in some

607
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,200
visuals.

608
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:40,400
This really can impact children in such profound ways, you know, things that I never even thought

609
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,720
about, like when they turned sideways, their heads were forward or we fixed their airway

610
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,040
and suddenly this, you know, dip in their neck is gone.

611
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,040
We're straight.

612
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,040
Yes.

613
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,800
You just don't think about that as a parent.

614
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,800
Exactly.

615
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,800
Exactly.

616
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,800
Right.

617
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,800
Right.

618
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,800
The dentist tricks my child's posture.

619
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,440
And that's just, that's insane.

620
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,440
Yeah.

621
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,000
But then when you really unpack it, it makes sense.

622
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,000
It makes sense.

623
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,840
And the other part too, even just teaching, and this is what we feel good about when we're

624
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,840
working with our four or five year olds, teaching them how to know about their own health and

625
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,840
be aware.

626
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,920
Beyond just our airway or our growing healthy basis program, every child that comes in or

627
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,680
their dental health visit, they're in a learning lab brought to you by Susan Naples.

628
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,280
We're in a learning lab.

629
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:37,120
We, you know, we love that concept and being able to educate children on their own health,

630
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,120
right?

631
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,760
And they become their own advocates.

632
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,760
Yeah.

633
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:41,760
They may not.

634
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,760
They start telling their parents, you know, I don't want that fruit.

635
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,760
That's for my life.

636
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,800
There's one they have, there's like food works good for you.

637
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,400
Like it's, it's a little, and the mom comes back and they say, I take him, when I come

638
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,960
to the grocery store, he tells me, I don't want this food.

639
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,960
I don't want that food.

640
00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:59,960
I want this one.

641
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:01,960
So I love that.

642
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Oh, that's fantastic.

643
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,960
That is fantastic.

644
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,480
That's a fun part.

645
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,480
I bet.

646
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,480
I bet.

647
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,160
And then, and then also, you know, that's impacting their health span.

648
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,160
That's not just right now.

649
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,720
I mean, you're setting them up for life and that's, that is priceless.

650
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:25,600
So Dr. Linda, I have heard you mention, I want to get this correct here.

651
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Exactly.

652
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Oral health affects the child's self-esteem and how they interact with other people more

653
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,800
than you realize.

654
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,000
Absolutely.

655
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:41,920
And that's a part that I get quite emotional about because most kids, they don't say how

656
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,920
they're feeling.

657
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,160
They don't know how they're feeling.

658
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:50,280
And all the years I have practiced, there have been very few times when a child comes

659
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,200
in and they say, oh, this hurts.

660
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,200
That hurts.

661
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,640
You know, besides, of course, if they fell and they broke something.

662
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,720
And so, but sometimes you open their mouth and they're a mouthful of cavities and the

663
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,720
parents have no clue.

664
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:07,320
And they never said anything to the parents, obviously.

665
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,440
But I can imagine as an adult, it would be, you would want someone cut your head off if

666
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,800
you had half of what that child was going through.

667
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,800
And sure.

668
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,280
And the story that comes to mind recently, I have an 11-year-old who's a new patient

669
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,280
to us.

670
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,480
And, you know, we're trying to get her to kind of open up and stuff.

671
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,680
And I should say, no, I don't smile.

672
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,080
I said, oh, I don't hear that.

673
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,480
What do you mean by that?

674
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,440
She said, I just don't want to smile.

675
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,680
I said, is that because you don't find things to smile about?

676
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,520
Or is there something that's bothersome with your smile?

677
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,200
Because I never want to say, you're okay.

678
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,400
Or, you know, don't look good.

679
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,400
Right.

680
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,400
Don't look good.

681
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,440
And so she said, I just don't like how my teeth look.

682
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,120
And so when I smiled, I feel like my teeth are just the way they are.

683
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,760
It makes me look like a beaver.

684
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,160
Oh, my heart sank.

685
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,160
And my heart sank.

686
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,160
So do you imagine being an 11-year-old?

687
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,640
No, going into junior high, which is already.

688
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,640
Exactly.

689
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:18,240
And so it just broke my heart from the inside.

690
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,280
And so you have to find a way to say, you know, I hear you.

691
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,960
I see you.

692
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,000
And this is easy fix, you know?

693
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,600
So we got to make her feel good about that.

694
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,400
By the time she left that appointment, she said, okay, when do I come back?

695
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,880
And so, you know that that's going to be a change in her life.

696
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,400
So, but kids don't know how to say that things hurt.

697
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,160
Sometimes they have headaches, but they don't know when we ask the question.

698
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,920
We can just see from their faces.

699
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,920
The clenching.

700
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:56,280
The dark circles under their eyes, the touch to the jaws is so tight.

701
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,320
And then you say, how often do you get headaches?

702
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,000
And they say all the time.

703
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,000
And the parents go like, no, you don't, because they don't know.

704
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,440
They've never told their parents.

705
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,720
So as a fact, I wouldn't know to ask my child, you're having a headache, unless of course

706
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,400
you're sick, you know?

707
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,000
So the kids are very resilient, but they keep on a lot of things.

708
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,520
And sometimes they keep on because they're looking at us as parents and they don't want

709
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:25,120
to bother us, or they just don't understand what it means anyhow.

710
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:30,120
That's why it's important as a provider, if you're working with children, it goes beyond

711
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:35,520
just what you're seeing because you have to help them for their whole body and their whole

712
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,520
psyche.

713
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,200
For me, that's the most important.

714
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,080
Their psyche, because once their psyche feels good, everything else is easier.

715
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,080
It falls in line.

716
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,480
Absolutely, for sure.

717
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,160
And kind of along this line, you have a passion.

718
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,360
And not just for this, I will tell parents, please go read your website.

719
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,480
I'll put the link in there.

720
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,480
It is phenomenal.

721
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,720
But it comes through on your website, this passion you have for special needs children

722
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,200
as well.

723
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,440
So where does that come from?

724
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:15,440
And how does your philosophy of whole body care support them in a way that other dentists

725
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,440
don't?

726
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,720
Now, I'm not begging on other dentists, I'm just talking in general, the way you approach

727
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:21,720
it.

728
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,480
Yeah, well, you don't know what you don't know.

729
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,480
Exactly.

730
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:31,840
But I'm originally from Nigeria, when we trained, we trained like you were going to be the physician,

731
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,520
the only doctor in a 50 mile radius.

732
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:40,920
So having a concept of whole health has always been the way my mind works and the way that

733
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,080
I choose to practice.

734
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,880
And so when a child has special health care needs, it's not only that child who is affected,

735
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,320
it's also the parents and the caregivers who are also affected.

736
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,600
But you got to understand first of all, what you're dealing with in terms of their medical

737
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,600
issues.

738
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:07,240
But at the same time, you're looking at this child, there's someone else, there's somebody

739
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:10,680
inside of them looking to express themselves.

740
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:16,880
And so as a practice, we're looking, what can we do to help that person inside of them

741
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,880
show up more?

742
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,480
They're not going to be perfect, but they're going to be perfect for who they are.

743
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,280
And so that's what we help parents with.

744
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,320
We do a lot of guided programs for them.

745
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:34,800
Sometimes we have to see that they come just to visit, walk around, we show every process,

746
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,800
what's going to happen.

747
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,640
We see to all our patients, and especially them.

748
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:45,320
Some of them, they just know, I have the one that just texts me before his appointment,

749
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,320
he said, I'm coming.

750
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:54,320
I'm coming to see you, when is my appointment?

751
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,400
But anyhow, you've looked for them.

752
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,000
And a couple of them are also in a very healthy-faces program.

753
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:09,600
Because what we understand with the body and neurology and some of the tools that we use,

754
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:16,960
especially that non-surgical laser, we know that if we can get their bodies working better,

755
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,720
if we can get the nerves strabling, if we can get the fascia flowing, they can access

756
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,680
more of who they are.

757
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,080
And so, yeah, a little bit more than what they would have otherwise been.

758
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,760
So we, you know, so many parts of our program, so many things that we've seen a lot of kids

759
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:40,120
get healthier, and some of the ones who didn't really have access to language being able

760
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,040
to be more expressive.

761
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,040
It's not just what we do, like I said, it's a whole village.

762
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,640
But what they do will help some of the other parts, all of it come together.

763
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:56,880
So like sometimes after that, laser therapy, they go for their OT appointment, the OT appointment

764
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,880
is easier.

765
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,720
Oh, they see the cranial osteoporosis, the cranial osteoporosis feels like your work is

766
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:02,720
easier.

767
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:09,600
So again, when you're looking in this powerhouse of our face and getting it to be the best

768
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,840
it can be, your whole body settles a lot easier.

769
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,960
Absolutely makes sense.

770
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,560
So I want to completely just shift gears.

771
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,080
And I want to talk about sealants before we run out of time.

772
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,480
This is something we do get a lot of questions about, not our wheelhouse.

773
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,680
So how do we advise parents?

774
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,720
You know, I know there's a lot of discussion around whether or not it's safe, we're the

775
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,720
long term effects.

776
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,760
So how do you advise parents when it comes to sealants on tea?

777
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,640
That's another great question that you have.

778
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,800
And again, being proactive, preventive, we're really, we're big on sealants.

779
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,520
And for practice, actually, I opened the practice in 2000.

780
00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:03,640
And from that, at that point even without knowing so much about what the BPA, the plastic

781
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,960
stuff that is in sealants that most people are concerned about, the sealant that I chose

782
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,280
at that time had no BPA, it was BPA free.

783
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,280
So I've always had, okay, I'm going to get it as healthy as I can.

784
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:23,800
And so the thing with sealants and the way I explain it to a lot of the parents is that

785
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,320
naturally our grooves are very deep.

786
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,480
It's a place where the toothbrushes can only get to.

787
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,880
You can get beyond it to clean it.

788
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,880
And over time, the bacteria and food will settle into those grooves.

789
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:44,400
What sealants do is to make that surface a little flatter and easier to clean.

790
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,920
And so that way it will help you prevent getting cavities on them.

791
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,680
But that's a good sealant.

792
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,400
And that's a monitor sealant, as a matter of fact, we're so passionate about making

793
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,600
sure that good sealants that we have what we call sealants for life program.

794
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,360
Because every time they come for their checkup, when looking at those sealants, not just looking,

795
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:10,920
we take a super photo, what we call a super photo, which is just not a camera that takes

796
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,320
photos of a tea.

797
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:17,160
It actually has light that can penetrate that deeper like two millimeters beyond our own

798
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,160
eyes.

799
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:24,120
So if that sealant is starting to break or crack, you have to have it replaced.

800
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,760
And so that's the part that helps you to keep it preventing cavities.

801
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,840
Obviously, depending on what some kids are chewing ice, they're grinding their tea and

802
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,560
they're chewing on toys and things like that, their sealants are going to break more often

803
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,040
than others.

804
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:48,080
But the biggest part, which was one of the parents that taught me and helped me to explain

805
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:54,400
to parents, when eventually she didn't want to get sealants, and then the child got a

806
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,520
cavity.

807
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:00,840
And so I had to fix the cavity and I explained to her what we were going to do and what we

808
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,840
needed.

809
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,800
We needed to remove the cavity and put a filling in there.

810
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,920
Yes, we use lasers to remove cavity so you don't have to get numb.

811
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,560
So it's comfortable that lasers can use or have an affinity to water.

812
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,360
And cavities have more water than teeth itself.

813
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,000
So it selectively takes up the cavity.

814
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,560
So you still have most of your tooth structure intact.

815
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Wow.

816
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,560
Okay.

817
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,840
Then I said, then I got to put this plastic filling in there.

818
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,560
She said, you got to put a plastic filling?

819
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,240
I said, mm-hmm.

820
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,000
So that's a resin.

821
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,680
And so I said, she said, I didn't know that.

822
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,160
I would have done the sealant instead.

823
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,080
And I said, okay, you just taught me something.

824
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,520
So whenever I'm explaining it to parents, I would say you can prevent.

825
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,480
Yes, it is plastic.

826
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,480
It's BPA free.

827
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:53,960
Yes, the resin.

828
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,760
But when you get a cavity, now I got to remove the tooth structure.

829
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,240
It's a living thing.

830
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:04,720
I've got to take some of it out and let this compromise for life because every time you

831
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:09,520
got to redo it, you got to take out a little bit more tooth structure and stuff like that.

832
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,720
So this is just putting a sealant.

833
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:12,720
Yeah.

834
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:13,720
And sending everything.

835
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,960
And then keeping to maintain it as well.

836
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,680
So yeah, I'm not going to lie.

837
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,080
I'm sitting here with my tongue, messing with my tooth because I have a sealant and I'm

838
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,160
thinking, hmm, should I do that?

839
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,160
Has anyone checked that?

840
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,160
I should have told you.

841
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,160
Yeah.

842
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,160
How long has that been there?

843
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,160
Yeah.

844
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,160
Now always have them check them.

845
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,840
And if you have to replace them, just say go ahead and replace my sealant because it's

846
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,480
infinitely cheaper, is infinitely better for you than having to get a fill.

847
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,280
I'm going full cavity.

848
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,280
Yeah.

849
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,280
Gross.

850
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,280
Yeah.

851
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,360
So let's talk a little bit about nutrition before we go because you did give a nod to

852
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,960
Dr. Maples and her program.

853
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:59,280
So because nutrition, as we're finding out, it's going to impact everything if you eat

854
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,280
crud.

855
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,280
Guess what your sleep is going to be?

856
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,280
It's going to be crud.

857
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,600
And if your sleep is bad, it's mental health.

858
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,320
It's all connected.

859
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,560
So when you talk to parents, what kind of foods are you telling them?

860
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,520
This is what, you know, let's push your kid towards these kinds of foods.

861
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,680
That's a great question.

862
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,280
That's a great question.

863
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,480
I didn't know.

864
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,480
Yeah.

865
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:26,040
But a lot of times we are letting parents know that healthiest foods are whole foods

866
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,960
as if we were, you know, back in the Stone Age and things like that.

867
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:37,480
As whole as possible that doesn't interfere with obviously allergies and whatnot.

868
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,960
It's definitely things where they're chewing, especially when they're younger.

869
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:48,320
Whole apples, whole fruits, not the processed foods.

870
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,760
Nothing that's from a packet, nothing, even the fruits.

871
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:51,760
No pouches.

872
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,760
Exactly.

873
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:53,760
No pouches.

874
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:59,520
So anything that doesn't allow the child to really work the food, if they can have meats,

875
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:05,640
have them eating on meats, have them eating the chicken bone or thigh bone or whole drum

876
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,840
stick, even as young as one year old, you know, just the younger the better, it's fine.

877
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:17,000
And being able to have nutritious food does definitely help, even help to prevent cavities,

878
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,840
obviously, because of feeding the bones and the teeth of the mouth, but then also for,

879
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,920
like we said, for sleep and reducing inflammation, right?

880
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,920
So lots of whole foods as much as possible.

881
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:31,920
Yeah.

882
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,560
We're telling that.

883
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,240
And even when they're younger, like when they start feeding the first time they started,

884
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:44,000
which is usually five to six months of age, I will tell them, give them that whole carrot,

885
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:50,680
give them that whole cucumber and let them struggle with it because they could get frustrated

886
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:51,680
and that's okay.

887
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,440
But they're developing a hand-eye coordination as well.

888
00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,400
So that's also part of what the importance of having them have whole foods are.

889
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,400
Let's not be messy.

890
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,400
Yeah.

891
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,000
Just let them do it.

892
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Just let them be.

893
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Just let them be.

894
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Just let them do it.

895
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Yeah.

896
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,880
And I would like to publicly apologize to my daughters now, the little juice box and juice

897
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:11,880
pouch daughters.

898
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,880
You did what you can, you know?

899
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:15,880
Mama didn't know.

900
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:16,880
Mama didn't know.

901
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,880
Make sure you know.

902
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:18,880
Out pouch, yeah.

903
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:19,880
I know.

904
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:20,880
Hey, you know.

905
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,880
We don't shame.

906
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:22,880
We don't shame.

907
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,880
Because life is what we didn't know.

908
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:26,880
We didn't know.

909
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,880
And even if you're going on trips and things like that, we don't want to be like, you know,

910
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:37,160
we don't want the child not to be at school and be different per se or be at a birthday

911
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,160
party.

912
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,160
Different.

913
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,160
So, but just don't buy it at home.

914
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,160
Right.

915
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,160
Right.

916
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,640
Have a treat when you're out and then when you're home, you have a carrot.

917
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,640
Right.

918
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:47,640
Right.

919
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:48,640
As much as possible.

920
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:49,640
As much as possible.

921
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:50,640
Do the best you can with it.

922
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,640
This is difficult.

923
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,360
Making choices, making healthy choices are difficult.

924
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,360
And today's world is hard.

925
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:01,400
And you know, you don't have the time that is required to just stay and go grind your

926
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,120
food and start to make it come scratch and all that.

927
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,880
So, we recognize that.

928
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:12,280
However, it's just that there's some parents who really, really are into it and the others

929
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,480
will slowly walk themselves to it.

930
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,320
And even if it's just one item that you replace with the whole food.

931
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,320
Step forward.

932
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,320
That's a step forward.

933
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,320
Absolutely.

934
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,680
Yeah, we're all in that same parenting struggle, both, aren't we?

935
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,200
It's just, it is.

936
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,200
Right.

937
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,200
It really is.

938
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,400
At the end of every episode, I always want to hand it back to our guests because y'all

939
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,880
are the experts and your work parents are here to hear about.

940
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,400
So, what message or is there something we didn't cover?

941
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,560
What would you like to leave parents with today?

942
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,480
Let's see.

943
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,760
Well, it's, this is great.

944
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,320
Being a paying attention to your child.

945
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:04,040
If you're noticing any problems, like if you're hearing them breathing or they're moving and

946
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:11,040
tossing around, if you feel like their sleep is not restored or they have tantrums, like

947
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:17,840
you just can't explain and don't let anyone tell you that is in your head or that is a

948
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,400
fad or that it's what you've observed is not true.

949
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,520
So just follow your gut and ask more questions.

950
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,400
If you go to the first provider and they say that, check up on yourself, you know, read

951
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:36,280
up on yourself or read up by yourself, get information for yourself.

952
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,960
And for the parents whose kids are a little bit older, the sooner the better, but it's

953
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:41,960
never too late.

954
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,720
I'm still in treatment myself and, you know, it's working.

955
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,960
It's about increasing the lifespan.

956
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:50,960
That's right.

957
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,920
It's increasing how you are living on earth and things like that.

958
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,520
And definitely my takeaway is breathing through the nose.

959
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,200
It is absolutely tantrum paramount.

960
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,120
And so if you're not able to do that, that's when you start asking a lot of questions and

961
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,360
see, definitely have to find somebody to help you breathe through your nose.

962
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,640
And it may seem simple, but it's not.

963
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,640
And it's not.

964
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:14,640
Yeah.

965
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:15,640
And it's not.

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And I would like to leave you both with, because this has been for me, just an overwhelming,

967
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wonderful, beautiful podcast.

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And I appreciate it.

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Thank you for your time.

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From reading your website and now having the opportunity to spend time with you, one of

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the things you mentioned, I'd like to add to it.

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You said when you work with children, you want them to feel like, I see you, I hear

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you, but I would add, I love you because clearly you guys do very much.

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We practice from the heart.

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So it is very, very clear, but you know, that's just, I tell them when they walk in that door,

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they're mine.

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It is incredible.

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I know.

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It's really amazing.

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They are.

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I say it all the time, wherever you see me talk, I say, they teach you.

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And so because of that, I'm privileged and honored to be able to learn from them and

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be able to help them because they become the voice, their voiceless sometimes.

984
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So being able to help there and lay their anxieties and anything that comes to making

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them healthy, that's our goal, their teaching and they're going to be out in this world

986
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teaching other.

987
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That's true.

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That's the goal.

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Yes.

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Thank you both so much.

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It's our pleasure.

992
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Thank you for having us.

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Thank you for having us.

994
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We're really enjoying it.

995
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We've had a good time.

996
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Yes.

997
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Yes.

998
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We could talk forever.

999
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We're out.

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We're out.

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We're out.

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We're out.

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Well, that's it.

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Thanks again to Dates Guest, Dr. Linda Dean Daru and Crystal Dean Daru for sharing their

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amazing insight and each of you for listening to today's episode.

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