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Hey everybody welcome to Larry and Needles show.
Needles isn't here. This is kind of a special episode.
I got my brother Nick here.
You often hear us talk about No Shirt Nick.
Yeah. Here he is.
Wow.
And he didn't want to come on Larry and Needles show
for the longest time because you know
he didn't want to lose his employment.
But then I got shit canned anyway so here I am.
Laughter
All of that corporate cow-towing I did all for nothing.
Well it happens. I did that too.
Yeah that's the way of the world unfortunately.
You do everything for those bastards.
You miss funerals, birthdays, whatever.
And then in the end when they don't need you
it's like they never fucking knew you.
That's it. It's terrible.
That's really it you know.
But you know I was thinking about it.
I mean it's like.
Oh sure thank you.
Yeah I mean you...
And it's not like I'm bitter.
I mean I'm glad I did it for the amount of time that I did.
I gotta do this light.
Yeah yeah.
Because it set me up to actually.
You learned a lot too.
Yeah you learned a lot you know and it's like.
See how much better the picture got when I asked you that light bulb.
No I was thinking about it.
It's like yeah I...
Now I'm just the rocker but really if I was just doing one or the other
I wouldn't have been really that happy you know.
If I gave up everything for corporate.
I never did.
And then now that I'm out of it it's like
I'm glad I was making that money.
But basically you're in there and you know
you're not really having a soul.
You know they say you're not having any social interactions for real.
You gotta learn shit continually on your own dime.
And so to stay abreast of technology.
What do you mean on your own dime?
You know they you know in the beginning they used to maybe put you through a
training course here and there like back in the early days.
So you had to pay for that?
No you never had to.
Like a learning thing or...
You never had to.
Well yeah you had to pay for it yourself in the end.
But really you just kind of learn on the job.
But to stay abreast they always wanted you to work in some new technology.
That was trendy.
That was sometimes didn't last very long.
Sometimes it did.
And how do you learn this shit?
You learn all this stuff.
Yeah you're putting in you know not 40 hours.
But 50, 60, 70 hours a week.
I mean the weekends that you work.
Getting up in the middle of the night.
Doing all this shit.
And then you're right the second that...
Go behind the camera please ma'am.
Ma'am behind the camera.
Oh that's okay.
Joe?
Yeah.
Bring this up.
Yeah yeah not right the second time.
We're actually doing Larry and Neal's show.
Hi Gary.
Good how are you?
Good good.
How's your birthday?
Oh it's not yet but thank you.
28th.
28th yeah.
We could go by your mom on Sunday?
Yeah yeah yeah.
It's Tuesday but let's shoot for Sunday.
I'm supposed to record with the boys.
Cataclyne Sunday.
Will Jennifer come?
On Sunday?
Yeah.
Maybe.
You mean you didn't see her when?
For her birthday.
Oh.
A couple days ago.
But we were at my mom's.
Yeah.
Yeah we were.
Well we were yeah I was gonna say I mean her birthday was on a Monday so yeah now we went
out just me and her.
Yep.
But yeah that was cool so.
Okay Mary.
Love you.
Yeah so you know it's like it's pretty lonely even though you're in a like a corporate
setting you know and then you're in these meetings.
And then you're like everyone's out for blood.
Yeah exactly.
Everyone's willing to work you know a lot of the Indians and such they'll work fucking
90 hours a week.
Yes and for a lot less money.
Yeah yeah and so culturally it was it was a rough ride.
I mean it's rough riding technology and staying abreast of every twist and turn but then yeah
culturally I mean I've worked at places where I was the only token white guy in the sea
of Indians that were right from.
Oh shit.
Needles would love that.
Yeah I know he's a big fan but you know and you know what I mean I love the work ethic
the people were very nice everything was you know it was a great experience in a way.
Yeah.
I mean I have no ill will or bad feeling about it.
I mean if I were them trying to get out of a third worldish country.
You work for fucking 90 hours too.
To them this is like easy.
Luxury.
Exactly so people are shitin in the street.
Yeah exactly so I mean you know.
Needles would be able to tell you because he's got a map.
Is it right to be you know.
Shit.
Is it right to be working like a slave maybe not but is it is the American way the best
way now where people don't want to do jack shit you know and it's like.
Definitely not.
Yeah it needs to be somewhere in the middle.
That's where it comes in with these guys are saying you know we need to get some foreigners
in here some people that are smart and it's like well.
Exactly.
Why can't we use our own people and blah blah blah and they're getting mad at Elon Musk.
First of all Elon Musk is a fucking foreigner.
Right.
And second of all the reason is because they took all the fucking incentive away.
Yeah.
The kids don't want to learn because they're getting rewarded for mediocrity.
That's right.
And if you look at the Excel nobody gets any you know nobody nobody shines and so all the
engineers are these Indian kids and Chinese kids and Japanese kids.
Yeah.
Fucking valued learning.
Yep.
We have no we are we are values on joy and comfort and fucking luxury.
Yep.
And the American way.
Yeah.
And pronouns and feelings and things like this.
I mean it's like.
Yeah.
This is late stage democracy.
You know it's like we've built we've worked hard and we actually succeeded.
Now.
You know we've taken our eye off the ball and concerned with all of these social things
and you know right but really what I'm hoping and I think this is still true is that although
we don't have the we don't have the heavy hitters as far as the STEM disciplines you
know.
Right.
I think we still have the American spirit which is absolutely one of you know creativity.
But it is crumbling.
It is but boy I'll tell you you know I really feel filled with hope and even still you know
and and you know we've been down these roads and I just think like yeah you know hopefully
we're hitting our rock bottom moment where it's like oh we gotta wake up a little bit
yeah but.
Well it's not it's you know what here's what it is it's like a saw blade it goes down it
gets bad and then it gets a little better and then it goes down again and then it's it
always swings back and forth but every time.
Trajectory is still downward.
Still downward.
Yeah so it's a downward thing and we're not at rock bottom yet although every time you're
getting to the end of one of these saw blade tips before it swings back it seems like what
the fuck is going on.
Yeah.
People are crazy fucking what's going on.
Yeah yeah.
You know and so it will probably get worse but yeah we are probably at the tail end I mean
what is the actual trajectory in history for civilization to reign supreme or to be you
know jiving properly before everything crumbles everything crumbles eventually.
Yeah I mean the Egyptians had it going on the fucking Romans had it going on the Greeks
had it going on everybody had it going at one time.
Well we've been on a two and then they fucking I mean we've been on a 250 year old
250 year run so far.
I don't think that's very long to tell you the truth.
No.
I think that Rome I think those other empires lasted longer you know.
Yes they did last long.
Yeah.
Rome was at least like five to five hundred to a thousand years.
Yeah I think we I think we still have a while to go and even if we are on a downward trajectory
we're still the leader of the world so even in our death.
We're still better.
Yeah and the death could take a long time you know even if we're in our final throws
that could still take many many years.
And it's just because all the best people always want to come here because they do want to have
the life of luxury fucking you know fuck a beautiful girl and living in a great house
with a fucking Hanracar and the cool and all this shit.
Yeah.
And so they even fucking start to deteriorate when they come here.
Sure sure it's funny I played at a private party for some rich.
This weekend or.
No this was over the summer and you know I pulled up and I mean this paved driveway
going along all white Mercedes white this you know.
I was just like yeah the house was mad.
I'm like shit I should have charged more you know but it was it was an Indian guy you know
and then I saw his wife you know this real smoking hot blonde.
Was she.
Yeah and I look look at this guy man he's living the American dream but he loved it you know
and he was cool.
Oh man Indians are great.
Yeah they were partying hard too you know drinking hard and I was like dang man you know I said
they're not Muslims.
No they're not.
They're fucking party.
They're not and yeah and I'm like well what business are you in he's like we're in pain
management.
Oh man.
Interesting.
Super fucking money maker.
Yeah I had no idea what that all entails.
It entails probably pharmaceuticals.
Yeah yeah yeah he was doing well very well.
Damn well people definitely like managing your pain here in the US.
Yeah you know and and that's the thing you know and it's like that's why like you know
I look at that life and then I'm now I'm gigging only and like I'm thinking about.
Think about that guy and then now think about these motherfuckers that are homeless living
in the tent and how cold it has been the last couple of days.
Like homeless Tommy.
Yeah but he wants to live in the tent.
Yeah he does but I wonder what they feel like when it's zero like you know minus ten degrees
and shit.
Right right.
It's fucking cold.
It's super super cold.
Yeah.
Today I went and got coffee the car was not even warmed up by the time I was coming back.
Yeah yeah.
I was already home and it wasn't it still wasn't warmed up.
It was like fuck is it cold.
Yeah yeah.
The ice on my window and shit I couldn't scrape it off because my scraper's fucking
disrepair.
No doubt no doubt well yeah no and now like.
So wait how many Indians were at the party.
It was mostly all Indians but there was some neighbors that came.
Sure.
Doctors and lawyers and things but lots of.
Yeah and a lot of the Indian guys.
Anybody tip you at that one.
You probably get more tips at the dive bar right.
No you know what it's it's it's so weird tip you it's a hundo.
You know what I get some good tips up in Wisconsin actually but for some reason I made like like
last night I played in Barrington which you would think is a nice rich neighborhood but
you know I was in this place and it was all it was all guys you know and young guys and
you know they all got that.
Attitude well they got an attitude but they all look like they're homeless and destitute
so nobody looks like they have money at all.
It looks terrible yeah and it was mostly guys and I made a joke I said you know I'm really
glad that there's only guys here tonight because the last time I played here.
I accidentally got laid.
Yeah women were hurting themselves trying to get to me you know I was standing around
the other corner.
I kept I kept like harassing the shit out of these guys and then at the end they were
getting drunk and rowdy and they're shouting out all of these songs.
Todd Rungren blah blah blah long train running doobie brothers and then this one guy.
Did you know any of them?
You know what Steely Dan I played a Steely Dan song but then you play the song that
they want and then they don't even clap anyway so then they were you know they were getting
now they're getting into it now the beers are kicking in.
That's what they need.
Yeah and I'm having a good time you know it's a collegiate vibe.
The more you drink the better we sound.
Yeah yeah yeah and it's a very collegiate vibe so then I'm you know they're yelling
out you know 50 cent.
Did you play 50 cent?
Candy shut yeah I was playing such a wide variety you know and I was and I'm like you
know what I like these are good suggestions except your suggestion I'm like what is it
what are you talking about this guy is saying Texas by something blood and I'm like I don't
like the sound of that I don't know what that is I'm like next time I come here I'm gonna
get on everyone's suggestion except this guy I'm like I'm not doing it you know I was busting
the kids balls we were laughing but no you know what and then I'm there and yeah you're
bringing your gear in on the cart it's freezing out you gotta wind away to the side of this
building where they have one of these elevators that yeah it's on the second floor and the
elevator is literally like about the same dimension as this and it locks on the bottom
yeah so you gotta pull in your cart stand in there and then hold the button yeah you gotta
hold the button the whole time and it goes up like this it's going this slow yeah you're
going up the side of an outside building it's a glass shaft you know you're like so you
could see yeah and it's terrifying you're feeling like it's gonna like yeah and you
gotta pull up on a little ramp but every time I go there that the thing is always locked
and then they gotta like so I gotta run upstairs anyway tell the people to unlock and I'm always
running late I gotta tell the people to unlock it they unlock it then it still doesn't work
now you're messing with that for 10 minutes in the cold so then you you know you get up
there and now the door on the other side is an opening it's just a it's a crazy experience
and I pull my gear in and I'm setting up and but you know what all the time I'm doing this
I'm like it still beats being in an office but still you know it's it's one of those
things where now yeah because I save that money in the corporate life I'm able to live
off the cash flow of just being a musician yeah I did the straight musician part first
so that's why I have no money and now I'm too fucked up to sure get a job but yeah there's
one time check this out everybody does everybody thinks one way is the answer and the other
way is not the answer they're both bad yeah I did have jobs yeah yeah yeah but the one
time we're on this fucking we're on tour in Europe and this elevator was so we've got
this hotel hotel because sometimes the venue because part of the deal is they got to put
you up somewhere sometimes they would have an apartment sometimes they'd want you to
stay at the fucking venue oh man that's not horrible yeah sometimes they would have you
know money if it was a rich place and I think we're like in Munich or something and this
fucking hotel was sold and they had an elevator and we're like on the third or fourth floor
which is like a very tall hotel where we were and not many rooms so I think it was a shared
bathroom for each floor yeah it was fucking weird but shades of a hostel yeah the whole
the elevator was so fucked one person had to get in first because it was so small or
two skinny people so me and Franzi the girl went in we went up to the top and then Matt
and I don't know maybe it was Steve put in the all the backpacks like we each got our
fucking toiletries and shit and that came up so then we unload them when I get to the
top and then they each came up one at a time and I'm like man this is fucking the most
fucked up elevator and you know it would be faster building a staircase with a raw lumber
yeah oh man one time we were we used to play at this place in the city yeah we used to
play at this place in the city it had the most rickety elevator that usually they don't
use the elevator well they wanted us to carry our shit up three flights and I remember the
last time I played there I I said fuck it you know and I took my gear down in the elevator
and then I'm loading up my car and I just got it all packed up yeah and I'm driving
away and the guy come you broke at the fucking elevator you know I'm like see you later
I like fuck it man get the fucking thing fit you're making enough money I mean yeah I it
was like it was called it was on Clark Street it was called it was an Irish bar you remember
when we were making those recordings with I maybe with Steve's preparing and we would
pull in like we're playing at those big fucking nice studios down yeah and we pulled the van
into the elevator remember that place where we took the van up to the second leg pulled
the van into the thing so our van was in the fucking studio that was pretty fucking awesome
I seemed to have a vague memory of that yeah with the with the unless they had 40 foot
ceilings with those big things that were on those railings on top I wish I wasn't so smoked
out all those days that I have so little memory of any yeah you know what the marijuana
fucked you up fuck me up royal man and you know but I don't know if I would remember
I don't know if I ever remember that anyway yeah I don't know well that stuck out to me
that we're like wow this is really big time now that you're saying yeah fucking pulling
our van into an elevator and we're jamming and you could look over 150 feet away our
van is sitting in the same room with us it seems like it's like I should be able to remember
something like that well you know what I forgot one time was we were playing at this place
in Algern and I guess it was me Steve Fank and Jody Smith standing outside and some fucking
drunk I walked into an open manhole and like died and it really or fucked himself up bad
news ambulance and fire truck and sirens and they were going do you remember that I had
to pretend that you did because it was such a big scene that I didn't remember and I'm
like wow fucking my fucked up was I there at that yeah you must have been it was male
strong you know remember when we would play those gigs yes those dumps and I just remember
so ghetto yeah I remember Nick Coolman running that guy all the way across the room yeah
with rage yeah he was running people across the room with rage all the time yeah yeah
he still has a lot of rage does he yeah I talked to him from time to time I mean I I like
the guy but yeah he's you know it is it's like when you get older you get to be bitter
and you know angry about shit and I find you know what you got to just realize that you're
nothing yeah like it says in the Bible and Mike Tyson said it on a thing he's like when
when somebody was asking him I forgot what interviewer was you know how do you control
all the rage or how do you not get mad when people taunt you and stuff when you're out
and it's like because I realized that mm-hmm it doesn't matter because I'm nothing you're
not only nothing but when you really realize that wow I'm alive I've got my health I'm
breathing yeah there's no need to get mad because yeah I used to you know I used to
be a lot more hotheaded yeah but now that I've been like you know I was used to be in the
richest guy in the room and this and that now that I'm humbled you know it's like people
that I worked with never knew that I was a rocker and all the rock people never knew
that I had a yeah so I love the fact that you know when I come into a place you know
oh you know and I'm like they're like who are you I'm like I'm the band guy I say you
know and I always say band guy even though I'm a solo guy because it's like all the connotations
of that I'm like I don't care if you think I'm this that the other thing yeah so I just
you know humble myself and people get crazy with me now and before I would have been so
pushing guys but now I just I go with everything getting crazy so back okay Killian was still
in the band catechronic back in the early days and we played live on some one of these
pot youtube TV show that one of these guys had it was either G Bay or JB something like
that one of those guys and so we played and we're getting all these comments you know
because there's a lot of people watching and there was all these really good comments and
you guys are great blah blah blah and then there was this one guy starts commenting this
sounds like the kind of music that I that someone would listen to in their little red
sports car going over to their boyfriend's house to get fucked in the ass you know so
he starts commentating that we're faggots you know and yeah and me and Tony and Bobby
were fucking laughing our asses off and I'm like we can't even show this to Steve because
he will start a war with this guy yes he's one of those guys you know with about four
more comments sure sure like you know you guys are you suck you know sure sure and it was
funny and but Killian would have fucking been pissed yeah you know it's funny even told
him because he really would have wanted he would have been really wanting to kill someone
that night yeah man you know what it's like and he's always getting kicked off of Facebook
and stuff and yeah yeah he's raging you know and that's the thing you know it's like people
are practicing rage more and more on these social platforms but really when you get people
doing something like that hating on you that's a sure sign you've made it and yeah really
you know it's good anyway because I don't know if it's good but like I like to be those
girls man all those girls loved them but there was still an equal amount of people that wanted
to fucking kill them yeah yeah well you know everybody can't like yeah I posted I've been
posting regularly on YouTube yeah you just gotta get behind whatever it is right once
you reframe the the thing it's like it's okay but still and all I posted a video the other
day we don't kill each other yeah I posted a video the other day got like almost no views
initially but one guy gets on there and he's going on this four comment rant oh yeah it's
like doesn't even make sense it's like he's drunk and really that kind of screws up the
algorithm though when you see all this just negative stuff you know and I actually reported
it as harassment you know yeah and then I hid the guy from the channel because I'm like
you know what and then I learned that I could actually filter out certain comment on your
channel on the YouTube channel yeah so I went in and I put in a bunch of keywords that will
automatically block the comment and even if someone's posting like a URL of their own shit
I don't let people post URLs of their own shit I'm like you know what even though it
doesn't matter even though I don't really respond to the negative comments directly it's like
ah maybe I could filter some of this noise out because yeah the algorithm will say like
oh there's a lot of negative shit going on here this isn't good you know so we'll still
fuck you up a little bit. Well it could be you know. We thrive on negative comments.
Our main comments are mostly people correcting us. So you should have no end of the comments.
The comments are good you know but you know what and it's like well that's the whole thing
anyway you know like it's you see people online getting enraged about everything it's like
it's perfect they actually they rage as if their rage is justified no your rage is never
really justified yeah you just you're just a rageaholic in search of a reason to be raging
and if you are you know there's a never ending supply of rage of reasons to be raging about
yeah on on Facebook and Twitter. Well here's the other thing though that's that's pussy
shit anyway. Oh yeah they're gonna rage to your face that's a whole nother scenario.
Exactly now someone raging to your face then you want to sidestep that person. Exactly.
Yeah yeah but you know what else you know is my theory is is no grown man unless they're
you know trying to market some business from a grassroots level no grown man should be
expounding on any social platform. Hell no. If I wasn't trying to grassroots market my
own endeavors you would never see me on any social platform I don't have the need to
right espouse my political views I don't have the need to show what I've had for dinner
but you know you're trying to comment on it. Yeah because here's the thing I mean you're
having fun with this but you know but really if you weren't doing this you wouldn't be
on you're not fucking with face you know. I've never fucking typed one sentence. Exactly
what grown man fucks around with Facebook. And that's even the hard thing about like
the band and stuff I don't even I have three Facebook accounts that three different manager
type people in my life through three different bands have said you gotta get on Facebook
what do you mean you're not on Facebook. That's why I got on Facebook. So then I get
on there. Is it on Facebook is it on Facebook. I'm like these alright I'll put it on Facebook.
I don't even bother going on there at all I got Instagram I really very minimally advertised
my band I feel like a fucking ass it's almost it's it's cringy it's cringe mountain. Nobody
cares nobody cares here's the other thing you know what I wrestle with this all the time
being on Facebook or any kind doing anything for your band on socials is I call it climbing
cringe mountain you know you you have to climb the mountain yeah but here's the thing that
I realized is that when I'm getting a bad response that's good when I'm getting no response
that's also good there's so many people that are lurking Mary's getting the phone call
from her sister it's bad you know there's so many lurkers that are just watching you
and it's like my thing is like hey I'm out here just trying to you know I'm not talking
nonsense I'm not espousing my views I'm just out here making mention of something that
I'm doing and the other thing that I never do is invite or cajole or say oh you know
I go and see your band why I never do that I just say here's where I am it's informational
only I never invite I never show any kind of you know because I know it's like this
is all bullshit I I'm doing this little solo career so I have to do the grassroots marketing
but if I'm doing it I want to be as as least cringy as I possibly can like this like this
punk rock tacos thing I go to fucking a hundred percent probably Facebook sure promoted and
you know they get hundreds of kids there and it's like okay that's pretty wild you know
they can get a hundred kids there almost every that's awesome man yeah it's like big that's
all from just the computer so nobody knows they know who I am now but at the beginning
no one knew who I was because I never posted I never got on there because they're all getting
on there saying hey blah blah blah yeah and so mm-hmm I never did that and mm-hmm it's
weird but I do like doing this yeah it's fucking funny and you know I think it's funny when
I come in mom's house or like you know Christmas or whatever Easter mom's birthday everybody's
watching it already yeah no you know what I've watched a lot of episodes and you know I've
laughed with you guys I've laughed at you guys but you know one and it's like at least it's
a little bit real too whereas maybe maybe you know maybe it's coming off a little harsh
sometimes but we're in this homogenized yeah YouTube world where everybody so make sure
you like and subscribe and they're all trying to be this cutesy thing and I never say that
but like right now I don't say it yeah like and subscribe but mostly what I just say is
tell your friends and you know mm-hmm or even tell mostly you should tell your enemies yeah
you think someone's an asshole or something you should tell them about yeah but you know
I'm kidding you know but whatever whatever it is here's like any creative endeavor do
it not because you're gonna succeed or fail but just do it because you know you want to
do it yeah exactly to be creative and to and to have fun like oh I'm doing this original
band and nobody's tipping me out and yet they're going to see cover bands I see guys whining
like this on line really yeah and I'm like dude if your band is good you'll get somewhere
if it's not you know do you ever hear a restaurant say well you're not coming and supporting me
we're selling raviolis if your raviolis are good they'll be fucking if they're not they're
not good so quit whining about it that's the climate of the day yeah whiners well that
too but also that people unless you're at a specific venue mm-hmm like punk rock tacos
or you know some place in the city that's specific and people want to hear originals
every other fucking single place in the suburbs and most of the outskirts they just want to
hear the familiar shit that's it and sing along and and yeah want to use their brain
they don't want to be fucked up they want to drink yeah here's something they already
know yeah absolutely yeah that's the problem and so these guys that complain about the
thing if you're playing in your original band and that's the that's where you're coming
from then you're playing at the wrong venue because there is a place probably that the
guy won't share only 12 people show up and he digs the music and then you'll build something
up you know that's how that works oh yeah and you know what would happen when we would
go on tour man every time it was more and more people you know it's like fuck this is
awesome but yeah we would expect that in the very first fucking time out we would have
said oh this sucks I'm fucking right on my guitar it's it's any artistic thing if you're
gonna even get there as a slow grind and you know did Picasso make paintings because or
van Gogh you know he died he died during lifetime no right Picasso was but van Gogh you know
he was commissioned to do big yeah sculptures and Michelangelo is famous yeah he would take
commissions and then not even do the work because something else would come up yeah or
you'd have a bunch of apprentices roughing out getting them close to where he could come
in and fine tune yeah he had a he had a he had a studio going with and with employees
Andy Warhol there was another guy that painted these massive dimensional oil paintings and
he was very prolific and he also had guys you know prepping and starting the canvas
off and he would you know you know it depends but the bottom line is is like van Gogh he
died penniless and without any fame but he was gonna do that no matter what this was
what he did you know what I mean or even Charles Bukowski the famous poet and author you know
this guy they're not saying I'm gonna do this to be the most famous writer in the world
exactly when they start out eggs I like I write a bunch of songs that nobody gives a fuck
about but it's like am I by the way I'll do some shameless thought I'll do some shameless
advertising through your nicks got a new album out it's called yellow means go yeah referring
to you know yellow the color and go step on the gas get the fuck out of you know like
too many people slowing down at the yellow light you should just punch it right through
or even figuratively if you're not getting a hard no you know keep going baby yeah yeah
it's a real good album it's some fucking good rock and roll but yeah this is an age of like
where you know people are so inauthentic in a way you know what I mean and it's hard to
be authentic it's hard to be authentic is so old and so quickly yeah yeah so really you
just gotta be about your business and my theory is is if not every club wants me great if
not everybody's heard of me great if not everybody has come and seen me that's good because that
means there's still somewhere for me to grow up yeah exactly like you know I I love it people
you know see me all the time I never heard of you I've never heard of you I'm never I'm
like why should you have heard of me you know like I'm just the guy out here and I don't
want to be the most popular anyway I just want to have a band yeah but that's pretty cool too I
just want to have gigs and be booked you know I'm in this band now we're called choke on it and
nice and is this your lumbard guys yeah yeah and you came up with the name obviously and they
said we'll go with it well yeah it was kind of a fight to get that but they didn't want that it
was good but you know what we're some of the other things it's funny I can't get into it but we're
just trying to get together a half hour to play at this punk rock tacos yeah playing on February
21st we practiced yesterday man they want to practice tomorrow but we were sounding pretty good
yeah I'm kind of excited and you play guitar yeah so the other some of the other bands would because
a killian we're gonna be called the killbillies oh that's a good one but of course there is a
band called the killbillies yeah yeah it's too good to not be taken yeah and what was the other
one he came up with and I'm like again that's too ah let me think of it and I'm like again that's
probably taking he's like no way and I'm like dude it's too good there's so many fucking bands
now that if you come up with the magic like it's amazing no one was called catechronic mm-hmm that's
a good one yeah mm-hmm but you know like bands like the jam they're in it really early mm-hmm there's
no way you can call that all those really good simple ones yeah gone mm-hmm you know you got the
who and then they had them and then what are you gonna be yeah yeah yeah hey what mm-hmm yeah that's
cool man so you guys are playing at the punk yeah taco play when is your gig February 21st
it's a Friday oh it's a Friday show you have to do the Larry Neal show on another night you'll be
preempted are you gonna do another show tonight with the nice is Kiki and Mike kind of yeah
nice nice yeah no I I wrestle with that a lot you know it's like but really I just look at it as
head this is what's been put in front of me you know to do this is my job I go at it yeah you
like through as my mantra yeah you know I some days it feels lonely and you know but I'm like ah
it's no more lonely than working in the corporate setting you know and you're always having to
be in a band yeah because here's the thing I would be on tour I'd be in these beautiful places and
I think man I wish I was here with someone I liked mm-hmm right I wish my wife was here
or someone else but now they were assholes and I'm with right now so a lot of time I would be off I'd
either be looking for drugs or trying to chat up some check or whatever and ignoring those guys and
you know you spend a lot of time with them in the van I got my god back on drugs because I was
spending too much time along with people I don't know I was in the no not that they were on drugs
I was spending time with you're talking about Gary no no I no I was straight with my whole tenure
with them but I was running the band and I made my own decisions no when I was in the corporate
world and you know did that a couple years with the other band you needed something online yeah I
was I was with I had the game face on in the corporate world then I was with these guys who
really weren't my friends it turned out and I was like it was like a hug and it was a hug in a
hugless world so I fell back into that bad habit you know but now I now I just want to raw dog it I
call it raw dog and you like you got a raw dog it don't yeah yeah and you know what and like I
think like you know it is life you know if you don't do anything if you're not eating for fun if
you're not drinking smoking getting high doing anything right is life boring yes life is not
supposed to be so exactly but that's another that's another fundamental tenant of American society is
that I need to be constantly I need back to the if I'm not eating drinking smoking getting high
then I need to be doing something on the phone you know I need to be playing a game how about
just being bored because really the the that's where the creativity comes from you got it man you
read my mind that's exact when you are bored that's where inspiration lies in the boredom and you
know it man thinking of a song or painting a picture while you're scrolling you can't you're
right and you can't even begin to let your mind wander and dream about what you want to do next
unless you're fucking bored you know you know the people would be like well what are you doing
you're daydreaming I'm like yeah cuz daydreaming is important you know it gets mad when I show
this because I'm autistic but this is this is the painting that I show all the time of Trudeau
now he's retiring or quitting or whatever but Nick painted that right when I was daydreaming
my birthday mm-hmm I'm looking at this guy and you know and then all of a sudden you know I'm
just sitting there bored and I'm like oh god he would look perfect with a little Hitler mustache
and look at that now you got that beautiful piece right there yeah no I was in lieu of a birthday
present he wrote on the back of that it's like my birthday card but you know happy birthday
mm-hmm this card is your present yeah that's and that's what that's what's fun you know like
I've got some small watercolor sheets now to paint the hand cards and stuff like that like
for Christmas and stuff but no you know getting to that you know exactly like now instead of
doing something where I'm entertained I'll force myself to do something creative and not that it's
like gonna result in something a masterpiece right but I find the more I flex that muscle the more
the ideas come and better the chance of getting the master yeah just start whether you feel like
you want to or whatever it's like nothing else to do a lot of songs before he hit behind blue
eyes exactly you know I had someone asking me the other day they're like oh but you know I was
showing them some of the outlines for some of the video ideas I have coming up because I've been
posting a little more religiously just doing like you're done yeah I'm getting inspired from what
you're doing I saw your last video the little thing talking to the people about how to succeed in
yeah yeah right you know and so each like 10 minutes or I think I'm doing 15 minutes but but
each one it's like I'm like I I totally didn't do that right with the lighting I had the sound
jacked up I did this wrong but even doing like three and quick succession I'm like learning
learning learning yeah but you know what else though that looks pretty professional I saw you
had your little magnetic yes yes that's and you're using your it's a gimbal yeah it's a DJI
eyes fucking nice yeah so here's the story with the camera I brought it to a gig and I'm raging up
it's following me I got it set in back of this table this is on a Sunday and everybody's it's
it's set up on a stand you shouldn't run directly into it and this guy ran directly into it runs
the run and it was a guy that I didn't like the look of even from the very from the jump
street you know one of these guys and I shouldn't stereotype but you know something to do it right
in unfortunately but it's something to do it like you know everyone wears ball caps nowadays but
just this guy and he's looking at me like I'm a dumb ass you know and I'm looking at him like
and sure enough the guy plows into my stand the bike pops out because I have it in a in a clip
hits the ground breaks the breaks the camera yeah so I never buy the protection package usually
but I did in this instance so I called up the next day I'm getting a new one sent to me for
$35 only so but in the meantime I was so distraught I bought another one you know I'm like these
things are too fucking fragile so now I got two of these well here's the thing I'm gonna use them
really really think about where you're gonna place that motherfucker well here's yeah what no I need
to use gaffers tape and tape it into the clip you know that way if they hit the stand and even if
the rocks the stand might not go down the guy didn't knock the stand over thing fell yeah he
bumped the heated so how mindless and this is this is what gets frustrating is is I don't even
mind I don't mind a lot of things I don't mind people being mindless I don't mind either I don't
mind going to somewhere and actually having everybody in the place ignore me because of the way I
look at it I'm a background character in the story of their life and they're a background character
in the story of my life I don't need to interact with you get exactly I'm gonna play stay in the
background though don't knock my shit over there's gonna be kids right up in the front they're gonna
be mashing they're gonna be fucking going crazy probably people jumping up on the stage nice you
know I love it you know it's gonna be out fucking yeah that's cool too ready for that I don't mind
getting rowdy either you know and guys interact with me and sometimes a guy'll touch my base and
you know do whatever a little forward really I and I and you know what I do now I just look at
them and then I make a comment and I just say you know this isn't TV you know we you know I'm a real
person this is reality you know I just I have some fun with it but no you know what I don't mind
people yelling things out I don't mind getting rowdy just don't knock my camera yeah back to the
camera these other extra microphones yes are they workable on another yes it worked perfectly
yeah do you think we could use them for this I have a transmitter so yes we could you know there's
a dongle and so the audio would be amazing yeah so here's the thing I don't know what you got going
here well we plug it into the board and and then right and then that sound card runs into where here
the computer got yeah so you know what we can do is instead of you know this dongle that's going
into the computer with a USB you would just plug the transmitter for the little microphones into
the into that thing exactly and then theoretically it would transmit to that and then that would
transmit into here and I think you'd have to select it as a sound source and yeah these sources
here so you'd only be an audio input source you couldn't combine them with another set depending
on how many you know put them through the board but you got multiple USB on there so maybe you
could select multiple sound sources so one of them would be that transmitter would be the focus
right right and one of them would be the transmitter that I have with the two mics I don't know if
you could pick two things but yeah you know that would be a little technical challenge but we could
look into that but yeah I like those mics and then you know what's cool is that they are fucking nice
oh yeah and I do my editing and okay so now could you run with the camera could you run more than
two mics with the transmitter it's only two mics per transmitter I believe so yeah but you know
and I'm doing some bass instructional videos now so what I'll do is and this there's got to be a
better way to do this as well but I want the you know so I'm playing along to like tracks and I want
that to be pristine so I'll record with this and I will record the audio of me playing into reason
you know I do a little clap to sync up the audio and then in Premiere Pro I just line those up
your shit is perfect yeah so my voice and your voice exactly so you'll see that on an upcoming
video that you know I'm having music come through but I'm also just talking into this and yeah
so needles and kinky well kinky might realize not needles realizes but mm-hmm it's a lot of work
being the producer running all the shit it really is and so that's most is most fucking shows like
this had the guy some computer geek off in a you know he's working his ass off and change in
camera angles for you once in a while like we've been on this static angle you know what
I like well this is a good angle for this particular episode because it's just you and I it
doesn't really need to be in and much as much as a widescreen plus people know then what you look
like a little bit sometimes on the other show you know I know it's like switch to the wide angle
but no it and it's fun to just it's fun to just do something instead of scroll on your fucking
phone you know and and have an unscripted real conversations that aren't you know so predetermined
you know there's not enough of this kind of thing in life when you think about it everybody
nowadays oh okay so we're gonna get together for you okay when does it start when does it
end how about just coming and letting it start and end whenever you know what I mean how about
just doing something that's not scheduled down to the last minute you know and that's it so
people have to do that though because nobody you know everybody's appears feels like they're
just so busy all the time and you know busy doing what I mean not much you know some people are
doing shit though people are over scheduled and yeah I mean like I just wound up here because my
tooth right so I'm going I'm at this gig I have an implant here and I'm chewing a piece of fucking
gum and my tooth comes out right seconds before I got to start playing and I'm just like motherfucker
so even like that so like the last gig I did where it's going great people are going apeshit the guy
knocks the fucking camera down now I'm fighting not being pissed off tonight I'm in there so I was
in Barrington let Port Barrington at Broken Or last night and tonight I'm in Barrington as well
at Maretti's you know nice yeah which is a big-ass place it used to be good food they do they do
and you know what and exactly like I don't mind anything you know it'll be freezing and they got
it's this long a handicap ramp which is real steep incline I got to drag my shit up in there but I
saw I was in Maretti's with Sherry Mary and of course in Virginia and there was a guy that
started playing yeah piano wow and like a keyboard he had right yeah he's playing some similar songs
to what you do and stuff and he's playing you know a lot of shit that I would play too nice and I'm
thinking and this was a while back mm-hmm and I'm thinking man I'm better than this motherfucker right
here and both Mary and Sherry agreed sure absolutely you are and I'm like this guy's getting a gig
at Maretti's and he's only this fucking good on the piano well yeah you know one my mind man
and people didn't seem to again nobody seemed to notice I was probably the only guy yeah noticing
they're like he was substituting his own chords here in there and they're quite playing things
right that would drive me when I was drives me fucking same same when I was in a band yeah
when I was in a band that was the biggest drag is that it was like it's like we'll learn the actual
chords you know I'm like that we were just doing that sounds good you know and then they would
make instead of going back and relearning it the right way they would make me change what I was
playing to match what they're doing I'm like let's just do it like the record first and then if you
want to change it because it makes sense then change it don't start off changing it just because
you can't hear what the actual chords are yeah I'm a I'm a stickler for that yeah but no but you
know what and you're saying that and it's like I'm thinking well yeah the pool of people that they
have to choose from I mean they booked these they have a they have a large chain and I've been playing
a like mostly all of them but now I'm so booked up in advance that I'm not going to have many
dates available for them unfortunately and so you'll see me drop out of the mix a little bit
and at least in the summer months and then they'll have to put in some other guys that who are you
know maybe not as booked as I am you know because they might not do they might not have it all
together you know if they booked this same fucking guy hopefully yeah I mean that's why I think you
should like if you want to gig hard you know just for the fun of it I think if you got your
shit together I think you'd be getting the gigs you know what I mean and you know but
you know you like working the band thing and the band thing is fun yeah you'll have to see my new
video that just dropped like all those demos the five pros and cons of being a band mate versus being
solo and why I'm now team solo yeah yeah but here's the thing about the band too okay yeah Tony and
Bobby aren't perfect right but they're cool oh that's fine yeah guys that stay in their lane that's a
good thing but also um the demos I made with the drum machine with me playing the bass and doing all
the overdubs and show those guys you know remember the first demos I sent you of those three songs
I like them recorded them but even though the sound quality might be a little less on the band
one just because of the volume we play at the vibe it's still better yeah I was noticing better even
though it's not perfect well I was noticing that we're gonna redo them so they swing more yeah well
I was noticing that so you can do you know two things you could bring the band recording up to
snuff audio wise but you can also learn how to like me you know like when I'm playing my electric
kit and then I have this uh I don't know if you have reason drums you know that that might not be
a module that you have so they have this thing where it's like you know once you map the MIDI when
you play it on the kit they have these rooms they have room mics they have overheads yeah
dude you could choose from all these different snares open bottom mic top and bottom this and that
I mean adding distortion by the time you're done with it it's like man I got a real drum sound
so quickly and easily wow yeah and that's why I'm like yeah this isn't a real band but at the same
time the hassle is so less. Now we play with the Jamet Ryan's house, Ryan the kid that's in my band
who who by the way gave me graciously that guitar this guitar is awesome. I gave him a pv amp
T.S. Scho and uh it needs some repair
you know I was like shit I'll fucking fix that thing up because those drums I have on that
yellow means go sound sufficiently shitty. But just kid Jason his roommate has and we jammed at
his house a couple times once maybe uh the kid has uh the V drums yes yes the V drums yeah I had
riches V drums for a long time it's pretty cool they're they're fine you know what I mean it's
like the V drum sounds now probably are improved but I'm telling you all old yeah it might be old
but all you need to do is capture the MIDI performance and then like I dirty it up to the
point where it's like those drums sound like shit again but yet they sound good. We use them
practice no like we we practice in the in his bass so they're great for that and you're not at an
excruciating volume. We're still at an excruciating volume they got that shit going through a fucking
huge car and PA that looks like we would have had when we were kids. Yeah yeah old school shit yeah
yeah but no but yeah the speed of working with MIDI and you know recording in the box and you
know every metal album you hear nowadays with the blast beats. All MIDI sounds. It's all replaced
anyway it's all quantized it's all replaced. It's not only. None of it is real if you're making a
real studio. Do you remember Nick would have Nick Coleman would have triggers two bass drums
and would have to get the sounds to match. Jeff was always trying to get them to be similar.
That's a thing of the past man. I mean now they got the double pedal. None of these metal guys
making an album nowadays. I mean the amps are simulated the drums are simulated. That's the
best thing about catechronic. Nothing simulated. Everything's locked to a grid the vocals are
auto tuned the fucking harmonies are generated. I mean so it just depends on how you know
catechronic is off the fucking grid. Even recording you know to reel to reel and those are all
things of the past you know. But it's great because what it's done is it's democratized the
production of music to where you know like my yellow means go right now. Yeah I mean I got like
something like forty something thousand fifty thousand streams on that album. Damn yeah that's
awesome and you know and you know what I didn't have to spend a dime to make it and I released it
for forty nine dollars well it would have been nothing but I wanted to leave a legacy you know
so I mean so what it cost me forty nine dollars to release it but now what I'm doing my you know
what I did I made a I made a playlist it's called Raw and Rowdy Garage Rock Essentials and I just
have that album all my hardest songs I have Stooges I want to be your dog then Double-Minded
Woman from my album then something by some the what is that the the cramps you know and then I have
so I have all these I put together a playlist that's loaded with my songs as well as Garage Rock
Classics. Yeah and then I'm spending five dollars a day on Facebook and Instagram ads which are
it's like I don't I don't even look at it it's just got the cover of my yellow means go and it's
linked specifically to Double-Minded Woman and I let the AI algorithm figure out who my best
audience is and they figured it out and listening to the music and looking at everything you know
who they've come up with people that are into psychedelics astral projection and all this crazy
shit that I would have never got and these people are listening to the shit out of this thing and
well I'll tell you what man and you know what and five dollars a day so if you believe in an album
and you have to wear with all to spend five dollars a day you could get people listening to your
shit now the the kicker on this is if this playlist begins to gain traction I could become a
playlist curator and then go on sites like Submit Hub and things like that and have people pay me
to come up and play to listen to their song to go oh do I want this on my playlist which is now
gain traction so now I could make the money in order to fund the advertising budget and have
the thing be a self-perpetuating wheel of advertising I should be my manager well I'm
giving it to you this is the secret right here man I need someone to do everything but you don't
you know you got to do it baby you got to do this shit this is how you do it so that's so
the fact that the fact that I don't need to go to a studio I don't need to go to a record label I
don't need to I don't need to beg anyone you guys can't see on tv here but this is quite a fucking
studio that we're in too yes it is it is it's tremendous you only get to see little corners
of it here and there yeah yeah but no but you know what I place is amazing I've been all brought to
us by Tom's free clinic automotive and veterinary services oh no I I want you to go you know further
into the box you know like the drums I am I'm gonna start doing a lot more go into the box as a
matter of fact you can record him and still quantize the live performance if you need to
whatever you need to do you know but this man we I all those drum beats I made were not obviously
I made all of those and did he learn those beats I didn't even show him I just wanted to see what
he did first I showed Robert yeah so he would know what was going on it's more important yeah
and does that he copped the bass lines that you wrote maybe not really yeah I don't know he doesn't
fucking seem to pay attention that much yeah no he he's he's it sounds good whatever they did I
think he did cop the bass I like both versions and I do like the looseness of the live version
but at the same time yeah you know and we can mix that live version yeah we're gonna record all three
of those songs and actually there's a fourth song that I didn't send you that Robert wrote called
me the people it's fucking really good and I played bass and he played guitar yeah yeah that's so
fun you know I mean yeah no I mean I'm listening to some groups now man like this cosmic collective
and uh South Hill experiment it's like just so raw and but yet jazzy it's the new jazz you know JD
back and domey you know this kid he's a monster on the drums you know and you just listen to
their stuff and you're like and they're and you know what and they're young kids the kids like 18
they're jamming with people like Herbie Hancock want to be like playing with them and stuff and
the guy Lewis Cole that I saw yeah I mean you saw him you know he's like I mean he's a machine you
know yeah laying they're laying down there's some groove machines out there yeah and he's playing with
mono neon and shit you know that guy can't miss you know but you know what's funny about mono neon
like well he doesn't have the commercial appeal he does not he's so he's so he's so he's so good but
yet when I click on his shit on Spotify and I don't listen to it I don't like listening to it you know
but now Lewis Cole when I click on his shit I'm like this is like sounds amazing but with my neon
when he's playing with someone else he's awesome yeah like when it's some other band and he's sitting
in he is fucking killer he's the guy you want on bass when he does his own shit he's fucking too
crazy to fucking reign it in he's more worried about how crazy the vocals are yes it's it's you know
what he's letting a little pretension slide into the mix you know about that little fucking chicken
wing necklace he had I sent you that clip right yeah but you know what and this is where he's drawing
inspiration from now and and here's my theory is that he's a tremendous introvert yeah but he knows
that he has to be this extrovert in order to do it so he's like just running into it like crazy
walking if it wasn't a five string I would have bought one dude just because of how it looks they're
like 15 hundo man I would have bought one yeah they're nice they're nice I mean you know what I
got the fretless now and I love it I might have to get a five my direct sound get an Ibanez five man
my direct sound with the uh using the Mustang the fender I love it or Robert's champ yes no buzz
man I think that was your bass remember we recorded that track on the direct channel dude even my
even my top end like four thousand dollar bass has buzz and shit when I turn up enough high end yeah
yeah it's a piece of shit you know I did this uh last video with my jaguar um short scale uh
that strings are totally dead but you know I eq'd it to do make it sound pretty good but I'm thinking
of getting some uh some noise canceling pickups in there because I like that little bass yeah
and it's fun to play about those little fuckers we have I love this bass so we have a jag here but
it's fully it's full length I'm not yeah that one I'm not as fond of but I love this Mustang man
that is like I want that thing man like so bad yeah that is a nice one yeah I'm getting sick of my
bass I had to do a truss rod adjustment on the fretless actually it was buzzing out on top
a lot yeah so I'm looking on a fretless yeah so I gotta do it a little bit more but um okay but
yeah so that's why I was in in the neighborhood today is this tooth yeah they were putting it back
in the guy so here's what happened to me fuck man we're in fucking we were in somewhere I we're in
on tour we're gonna be gone for a month we're in Europe in Germany something like that proud it was
mostly Germany my tooth comes out on the second day one of my back teeth for a chocolate reason
oh and so it broke in half so I took the broken in half piece and I placed it back into the empty
socket and when I got back home my dentist told me that was a great idea oh really yeah and I didn't
even really hurt my tooth is already fucking rotten you know yeah well that's my mom and dad calling
all right well I guess this is a good time to sign off yeah it could be a natural breaking point hey
Larry and needles show wow my day I wish needles could have been here for this episode in Kiki I do
I do and I don't you know it's hard to it's hard to get a word in edge wise with Mike sometimes
he's a non-stop machine yes and again I gotta thank Tom Street Clinic Automotive and uh
uh veterinarian services for keeping us going and thank you for tuning in