something is really bad. So I went and clicked to learn more. And yeah, the first point on invalid
traffic is that it's artificial traffic boosting your own views. And it immediately clicked to me.
It immediately clicked to me that, oh, there was of course just right now, artificial
traffic, but watching and visiting my YouTube channel.
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, dogs, cats, robots, and everybody in between, especially you,
Mr. Auto GPT agent, we know you're listening this week. Welcome to HTTTA. I am your host, West of
SynthMind, SynthMind West. And I'm always joined by the galleon, the gleeful, the golden haired
Grace herself glittering on the other side of this call, the galaxy of inspiration herself,
Miss GoToGo. Gee, how are you this week? Usually after such introduction, I would say I'm
fantastic. Good. Then message received. But this week, I'm not so well, to be honest.
Wow. So what brought that about? Well, our beloved topic of auto GPT, I got my hands on it,
and it was not as friendly as I thought it would be. So my experience, at least the first encounter
was definitely a very traumatizing, I would say. Well, let's tell some of our listeners what auto
GPT actually is. I'm sure people are familiar with chat GPT at this point, if you're listening to
this podcast, but what auto GPT is, it's an initiative by some folks. You can get the
repository on GitHub right now. It's a program where there's an interface via a kind of DOS command
prompt window. It's the fastest growing repository in terms of like stars on GitHub ever.
112,000 stars and forks. Oh, how many forks? 19,000.8.
So what that means to folks that aren't, you know, coding on a regular basis or into that side of
things, that means 119,000 people have downloaded this program, run the code to install it and
execute it. And then another 19,000 have taken the base code for this and started to play with it in
other ways. So the way it kind of works is you have on chat GPT, we know it's not hooked up to
the internet. There's no internet access with chat GPT. It's trained on a dataset that only goes up
through September, 2021. It can't necessarily execute a command outside of chat GPT and it relies
on continuous prompting. You have to kind of keep prompting it, you know, to get an output.
Auto GPT can access the internet and it works autonomously by having two separate kind of like
GPT 3.5 or four agents talking to one another and collaborating. One's prompting the other,
others doing the search, then they prompt back based on that results. And it has long-term memory.
So it'll memorize what it's doing over the course of time. That's what it is. And people are calling
it a Baby AGI, artificial general intelligence, because it can essentially kind of think for itself.
But not to mix it with hugging face Baby AGI, spin off project, which is actually no code
and that browser smaller version just to get the feel of it. In Baby AGI project, you input your
open AI key, you give a goal and it starts executing what should be steps taken to reach that goal.
Dave So I think the best way to illustrate what we mean by how to interface and use this goal,
Kota, would you tell us your experience with Auto GPT this past week?
Kota Yeah, sure. So just to provide you with a background, I'm not a coder, if you may.
I'm familiar now with GitHub and I always wanted to learn Python. And I know HTML,
done some web management stuff. So I'm kind of familiar with some coding stuff, but not to the
extent that I can comfortably say that give me code and I will know what to do with that.
Dave Sure. Kota So that being said, when I'm learning about something and this auto GPT has
been coming into my emails, people were asking, I knew what it was. I was keeping an eye on that.
But I decided to get kind of my hands dirty and actually try it.
Dave So you went and found yourself a Python 101 book and figure it out how to clone a repository.
Look at you. You're practically got a computer science degree then over the weekend, it seems like.
Kota So this is the funny part. And in my video I made about this topic, I said that it's both
fascinating, but both scary if you think about it. It took me half a day from getting GitHub
to getting Python to copying repository. And the funny thing is, looking back now can reflect,
I did not go on YouTube to watch tutorials. I used chat GPT to help me. For example,
one of my hiccups was that Python was not running. And apparently I installed the latest, latest Python,
like 11. How you write is like Python 3 instead of pip. And I was like, I don't understand. I'm
doing everything right and it's not working. And then I copied the whole description how to install
auto GPT, gave it to chat GPT that it knows what I'm talking about. It knows what I should be doing
or what I should be using. It was going back and forth. And once I was like hit it run and it worked.
And I was like, what? Dave You've just described the entire coding experience, not just for yourself,
but for every developer out there, which is, hey, I think I got this working. This is good. This is
exciting. Wait, why is it not working? Like what? Unexplicable feeling. Like why is it not working?
Why is it not working? Like this should, I'm doing everything right. And it's a, you put a colon or a
backslash in the wrong place on line 172. But then the feeling of just sheer bliss when it works.
You are like, I am the smartest person alive. There is no other way to describe it.
Yes. But this feeling was very short lived. I know that we are teasing, but okay, I'm getting to that.
Yes. I got it running. And to be honest, I was kind of taking a step back. I was like,
okay, it works. So I was so preoccupied making it work, but I did not really think what do I want
to ask? Like how should I go about that? I posted on YouTube and on LinkedIn and also in our community
and learn prompting just to get some ideas. And one kind of basic one is what consumes a lot of
my time is researching ideas, but also content for making YouTube videos. I spent a lot of time
diving into topics and I was like, okay, so if AutoGPT would actually gather some ideas maybe for
me, but also scout the internet doing some research, maybe finding some articles, which I was not
aware of. So the way it works is you give it a persona, role prompting, right? And then as many
as five goals for it to try to accomplish. So what was your persona and then the goals that you gave
it? The first time I went with the name, so I did Ben. The first test, I wanted to see how it
understands what does it mean viral video and what it would do. So I asked about viral video ideas,
which would get a lot of views and also engage people. For the goals, it was understand what is
viral, research topics, which are relevant to my YouTube channel. And this is where mistakes
started happening. And then yeah, write a script, YouTube titles and all that. First, it started
researching what is viral video and what you should do. And that was very disappointing, very basic.
It literally went to the top Google results. But then I pushed on the fact that it needs to be
contextual. It has to be for my YouTube channel. So on the first try it seemed, and I was checking
what ideas it gathered. On the first try, it started pushing that, okay, talk about technology
so that I should do gaming. Because that gets viral. Yeah, sure. Go to go the Twitch screamer.
Maybe I should try. Maybe this actually was not a bad advice. Maybe you know something you don't.
Exactly. Actually, we just got Nintendo Switch. Anyway, beside the point, I gave feedback. So
this is what you do. You can continue like each command. You can say yes, continues. You can also
give it number of commands. So yes, 10 would mean that it will run 10 commands automatically,
with no intervention from you. N is that you shut it down. It exits. And there is this whole other
thing with just continuous mode, which is absolutely not recommended. I have not tested it yet.
It's expensive. Exactly. And I want to talk later about this, the whole cost side, because I see a
lot of misinformation that auto GPT is free. Going back to that, you can also give feedback. So I was
trying to give that, hey, I am got to go. And it needs to be contextual. Okay. So then you can see
how it talks to itself, right? But also talks to the agents it creates. So it created agent, which
needs to research viral videos. It created an agent, which needs to eventually understand who I am.
And then another agent was writing scripts. And those consult with each other. So it would say,
hey, the agent who writes scripts need to go and consult with the agent who knows viral video ideas.
So it just made a whole production department for you basically. Right. And then I saw that, yeah,
it says that, okay, I need to watch got to go videos to understand context and identify her best
performing videos and understand her audience. And whether it's all great. And it did. It found my
videos. It wrote who I am, took the description from YouTube. And the thing is I always have my
YouTube analytics on just to see what's going on. And I saw this pop up almost instantly. And I'm
very aware that this two things could be completely unrelated events, just like statistically, it can
be right. There is also a chance. However, this pop up was saying that ad revenue will be affected
on some of your videos because YouTube detected invalid traffic. And I was like, what? Immediately
I saw ad revenue affected. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, something is bad. Because if YouTube does
not want advertisement be involved with you, something is really bad. So I went and clicked
to learn more. And yeah, the first point on invalid traffic is that it's artificial traffic
boosting your own views. And it immediately clicked to me. It immediately clicked to me that,
oh, there was of course just right now artificial bots watching and visiting my YouTube channel
watching. And of course, if it's me or if it's auto GPT, they need to sit through the ad. That
agent probably didn't like to sit through the ads. So now I'm talking about this with a smile,
but I can tell you that I definitely panicked because it was a lot of work to grow this YouTube
channel. And as a small YouTuber still, even though it's getting to 30,000 soon, but still,
it's small YouTube channel and just seeing that all the effort you put and all the work could be
affected by simply like, it's just ironical. I wanted to make better ideas and better videos
and probably damage my channel. So it was really sad. I went and contacted YouTube support. And as
a content creator, you have this chat for content creators. And I started talking with them and told
that I'm seeing this pop up. And I said that I was playing with auto GPT and I used Google API
and to allow it to browse. And then basically this happened. And I was like,
what is the consequences? I would just like kind of was like panicking kid. And we were like,
yeah, that's probably it. We can't do anything about it now. Just don't do this again. And you
should be fine and takes time and to show which videos will be affected. I will see kind of later
revenue. However, now I posted on YouTube this video about auto GPT telling the story. And I
cover multiple aspects of that, but what I learned and was kind of like pondering about what happened
because of course we have to talk about this, that we don't know how auto GPT or multiple agents
browsing internet, bowing on websites, getting to your Gmail, using all the plugins which are
coming out, how it all affects. And we've been fighting bots, Twitter bots, YouTube bots,
you know this on YouTube, WhatsApp, join got to go on was, oh my God, it takes me so much time
to just delete those. So we've been fighting those. And now we have tools where any new like myself
can set up in half a day and deploy. So I just want to say one thing that of course, what this
exposed that I didn't have any bad intentions, but anybody with bad intentions can do these things.
But my theory is that this happened to me specifically because I use the same email
to create Google API as my YouTube channel. So that's one aspect and YouTube is owned by Google.
Another aspect is of course, my API didn't use any VPNs. So to detect that it is me, myself
driving traffic and therefore I should be penalized or I should stop because as a creator
doing it myself, I think it would be different or at least I hope that it's not the same case
if I do and say, hey, research this YouTuber and auto GPT goes on that YouTuber's channel and watches
and boom, suddenly that YouTuber is affected. I saw a lot of comments in my YouTube channel that,
oh, so this is what can happen. And we don't know that that's a thing. We don't know what's the
answer, right? Because another aspect is you yourself now can be like, hey, a friend in,
I don't know, whatever country set up an account, auto GPT and asked to drive 100,000 views, watch
my videos 100,000 times. Right? So all these kinds of things, of course, I thought about it a lot and
I don't want to put all the ideas out in the wild, but that's definitely concerning how Google's
going to react. Will we have to just simply move to Bing? Because Bing is like, yay, AI forever.
Yeah. They're linked in with open AI. So yeah, that's it's the AI wars have begun. That's for
sure. Yeah. So overall as a conclusion, auto GPT in general as a results for me, it was looping,
running and errors. Yeah. It was a little bit disappointing besides what happened. Now it's
kind of, I just hope that with YouTube, we are friends again, content creators are not going to
be friends again. Content creation with auto GPT for my specific channel is off the table.
Off the table. Yeah. And I tested the browser integrations like God mode, agent, GPT, baby,
I G I. And of those, I can say that if listeners actually want to give it a try for me, God mode
was the closest, the cleanest experience because you still see what it's doing, has this files,
which you can at any moment open and read. It was getting me a lot of errors throughout the process,
but you just need to refresh. But yeah, Wes, I need to ask you, did you try it and any stories
from your side, you need to balance it out. So thankfully I can retort this week with probably
more positive example of how auto GPT, specifically the God mode website integration version of it
helped me out, but I would love to share the first time that I used it. So I definitely have been
trying out some of these auto GPT and different types of derivations of it that have come up
since its release probably about two, three weeks ago now. So the first time I tried it,
I think this was the thing that kind of was like, Oh, this is kind of different. You know, we take
the transcripts from these podcasts and I'll feed them into the GBT algorithms and just have it
parsed through that for the key topics, build some outlines and use that to help write our articles
for our newsletter each week. So I had the podcast as a text file, the transcript, put it in a
location and then said to do just that. You're a tech blogger, tech writer, you know, parse through
this, make the outline like this, put it in a text file. So what I didn't realize is I put the file
I wanted it to sample from our transcript in the wrong directory. All right. You have to put it in
a specific directory within the auto GPT folder. So what auto GPT did is it went, Hey, I don't see
this file. Let me search the internet for how to do a window search. Then, okay, I found how to index
and find the file. Let me research on Python, how to move it to the place I need to. So then it moves
this little text file just into one more sub directory that I had it pointed at when I could
have easily just redone it and refixed it. And I was just like, I'm looking back through the logs
and like, whoa, like before it even started doing what I was asking, it corrected my mistake for me
by going through that pathway on the internet, which was just like, yeah. So that was the first
example. I was like, whoa, this is a little different. Where I find it does very well is with
kind of like multi-layered advanced searches of information. Let me give you an example. I have
a family friend whose daughter is applying for colleges, wants to be a veterinarian and go to
college with a veterinarian program, that's, that's cool. They live in the Southeast US. So we were
talking and I was naturally talking about AI and stuff, cause that's all I talk about. So I bring
this up and say, well, Hey, where is she searching? Ah, she's looking through these programs, but you
know, trying to, it's just, you know, it's not as clear. Obviously it's a challenge. So I'm like,
well, what are some of your specific things you're looking for? So what was it being the
Southeastern United States would like it to be less than 25 K a year, or have some sort of in-state,
you know, discount that we can take advantage of. We'd like it to be a pretty top tier program.
And then it'd be really helpful if we had information about what grants our daughter
would be eligible for. So we can also start working that. So I said, I got a solution for you. Let's
try to put it in auto GPT. So in and of itself, that's something that would take multiple
individual searches. Hey, what's the top 10 colleges? What's the top 10 colleges in the
Southeast that have a veterinarian program? How much do each one of those individual colleges cost?
There's not a lot of aggregators of all of that kind of information in a lot of places, you know,
it exists separately from one another. But to even pull that all together in the past would always
be something that we would have to do in a spreadsheet or on some notes. However, so in
about five minutes, it came back with a spreadsheet of the top 10 programs in the Southeast colleges
that had veterinary science school, the annual tuition costs, even found the application deadlines
for each one of those schools for this calendar year, and then the link to the website. And then
it had a list of like three or four different grants or scholarships that they do. And they're
like, this is, we would have done hundreds of searches, this would have been months of time.
This is like, even if it's, she doesn't even go to one of those, it's a great starting point
to at least go, hey, let's just start here and then figure out, not have to spend all this time
just building that list and then have that, did I miss something? Feeling. It's just to your point,
this is kind of like our thinking, how we search our research is completely transforming. And to
your point, I want to make a video, something in lines of, I tested thousand AI tools. Let's say
that I'm not a hundred percent yet committed, maybe it will end up a hundred. I'm just calculating
now how long it would take. And my thinking was like, okay, so to start that, I need to create
Google Sheets, start mapping out companies and links. And then I caught myself as like, what?
No, like, why would I do that? I can just go, okay, AutoGBT, this is a specific website,
the library of latest AI tools, get them all into Google spreadsheet with these type of columns
and that I can just go and be like, boom, click, open, test it. I want to see, do you have to pay
for it? Is there reviews? Like all these things just in one place right now in front of me. So
this is what's kind of, you catch yourself in the old habits, but actually rethinking how we work,
that not leaning back to the old ways is going to be kind of a new challenge.
Oh, I think what a lot of people are struggling with exactly what you're describing, you know,
we're still, we're very conditioned this way to be creative and then still have to have enough in
the tank to then go execute, right? These AI tools obviously make a lot of stuff very easy, but if you
use them in a much more creative fashion, where you're descriptive, where you're giving examples,
where you're doing some more advanced prompt engineering, that, you know, the creativity
is still all there, then it's just the commodity of execution that has now changed. Because I don't
have to do as much executing actual typing, but I'm still going to take it and then add half a dozen
sentences to it, edit 10 other ones. And it's still a hundred percent me, you know, I just had some
help getting to that 80% starting line. And then I'm probably able to even pour in more creativity
and because there's ideas and maybe I didn't think of or sources that I wouldn't have used. So I think
that you hear a lot of people saying it's going to disrupt all these industries. Yeah, it probably is,
but how about the way that it can do it positively? I don't think any copywriter loves the act of
copywriting, like typing it out itself, but probably enjoy the act of ideating and being
creative and trying to figure out how to convey the message that they need to, you know, for their
client. So what you just described there is a perfect example of just your shift in, you know,
kind of how you view execution of, okay, here's the way I've always done it, but wait, I have this
other option over here. Let me see what's behind door number two and maybe that can be a better
result. True, but also we need to talk about all the other aspects and we don't need to be specific
about AutoGPT because one, it feels like in our environment, it's a huge thing. It's exploding,
just the star's number on GitHub. I think it's the biggest project ever there, but the reality is
that probably less than 0.1% knows about it. And, you know, one aspect is what happens when more
people know about it, but on GitHub page, it very specifically says it's an experiment.
Yeah. Right? So we also need to look into this, okay, this is an experiment. And for example,
we know that ChatGPT will have plugins, access to very specific dedicated databases, like health
database or Zapier or whatever database you can think of, plus browse on the internet. So for me,
AutoGPT feels much more like a feature than a product on its own. And this is kind of like,
you just start brainstorming, okay, what's possible when you have all this autonomous agents
doing the things for you. And I very much think that, or at least I would like to imagine what
the future is, the future is bright. And the way we work is actually that each of us have this
dedicated little assistance, which actually use computers. So I like how mid-journey founder
David was talking about that, how we interact with computers completely change from, you know, just
keyboard, joystick, touch screen, mouse. What if we are moving A towards voice commands,
purely just talking as you would talk with your assistant in a meeting. And then of course,
we can talk about nanotechnology and circuits and directly into brain, like brain waves and all that.
But that's probably 2024. So let's stay in 2023. That's next Thursday, Gona. That's next week's
episode at this rate. But what are your fears? Do you have any fears after using this or you're
completely positive? I am the cautious optimist with all of these, with a capital O in that
optimism. Just because for me, and I've described this on a prior episode, the space it now frees
up because I'm 80% there with a task is just so worth it to me. And it's my favorite thing in the
world to show people that I'm sharing these tools with coaching, training, anything. That sense of
wonder when they see this work for the first time and you could see it, this changes the way I could
work. This changes the way I could plan how my family goes on a vacation. This changes the way
I can interact with people. So I get more time to do the things I really enjoy. So I lean heavy into
that. But I understand that people think that the cost is going to then be people being creative,
people using it for malfeasance and bad intentions. Yeah, I mean, there's going to be that too, but
hasn't that also occurred with every new technological kind of shift anyway? Absolutely.
Yeah. People thought that internet was a fad. But another aspect why, for example, why I think that
AutoGPT is more like, I very much see it as an experiment and more as a feature, the current
setup of that and the cost. Because this is why I wanted us to touch on that because you still use
your OpenAI key. And this is an interesting dynamic how actually the people who benefit from that is
OpenAI. It's literally driving revenue. And because of each step and the way it's set up,
it's using so many tokens. It's just burning through them. I don't want to say annoys me,
but I see, for example, in LinkedIn, so many posts from people who are probably like me who don't code
and don't know that much ins of this technology, promoting this as, hey, now businesses are going
to be transformed. And this is amazing. And then telling even that it's for free. And it's just,
we shouldn't promote, let's say, experiments, which are very insanely costly without a testing
and deeper understanding. And as any startup, giving it time as an MVP to be in the market,
to see how it evolves before we can make any kind of conclusions and start pitching this
as transformative thing for businesses. There's definitely much more than just a monetary cost,
too. I alluded to the fact that this gets expensive. The GPT-4 algorithm, which is the
latest, the greatest, the newest for about every thousand tokens, so 750 words that goes in or out
is about 12 cents. So if you have these two agents talking to one another, everything that they
prompt, then go search, and then assemble is all tokens. So that example I gave about the family
friend who's searching for colleges, just getting that information together was about $4.50 worth of
tokens. So tremendously valuable to them. I had no problem doing that, but then I kind of sat back,
I'm like, oh, I don't think I needed the latest and greatest to aggregate and pull this data. Let me
be using 3.5 for some of this stuff. 4 might be better if I'm asking it to develop a book or
screenplay or something much longer. On another flip side, we just mentioned about 19,000 forks
on GitHub. I don't see that going away. And I don't know, have you joined Discord channel of
AutoGPT? I think I'm on the one for Godmode. I haven't been very active in that yet, just because
it's during this podcast, the time we've been recording this podcast, 7,500 new AI sites have
actually come out. So there's a little bit of things to parse through these days in the world
of AI. It is a exciting time no matter what, but I think just on that, that's probably a great place
to wrap things up for this week. So for Go2Go and Wes the Synth Mind, happy prompting everybody.
Happy prompting everybody.
Thanks for listening to How to Talk to AI with your hosts, Go2Go and Wes the Synth Mind.
As always, you can check out the show notes and links at howtotalkto.ai.
That's all for this week's episode. Happy prompting everyone.