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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the sheep get

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shared podcast. I'm your host Austin Creed and

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my friends I listened to something this morning

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that really blew me away. I did not know that

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there was a debate It wasn't really a debate.

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It was more of a conversation gone wrong between

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CGA shout out the CGA coach Greg Adams and Alex

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Wilson, I don't even know much about Andrew.

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Sorry, Andrew Wilson. I don't know much about

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him. All I know is he's a more conservative kind

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of re he's supposed to be a more like red pill

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guy apparently but he's more like the Christian

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conservative type red pill guy you know the type

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right the type that tells you oh just get married

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just basically do everything the the antithesis

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of what we talk about on on this show essentially

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go for the ecclesiastics version of marriage

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Uh, if you're a Christian, you're less likely

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to get divorced, be more invested in church,

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be more spiritual, be more of a Christian. And

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the church is going to bat for you and just pour

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yourself in a community in the church and tithe

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and, um, pray you don't get divorced. And, you

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know, if you integrate yourself enough with the

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Christian church, then your wife's just going

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to roll over and your wife's going to always

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be fit. Always want to have sex with you. All

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this stuff, right? Versus coach Greg Adams if

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you've never if you've never listened to him.

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I've listened to him for years. I Think I'm one

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of the few white guys who listens to him. I love

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coach. He's fantastic. Um But when it comes down

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to it They're very different people and the reason

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I bring this up is not because I want to hype

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or dick ride anybody the reason I bring it up

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is because What it was an interesting parallel

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between truth and ideals If any of you are more

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Christian or more, if you're more religious,

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you get this ideals conversation every single

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day of your life. Everybody who's also religious

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will tell you, Oh, don't care about the, I don't

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care about reality. You need to shoot for this.

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You need to emulate God. You need to emulate

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Jesus. You need to emulate ex -prophet. You need

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to emulate this pastor, this theologian. You

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basically need to emulate everybody. except for

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people they don't like you need to not embrace

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reality and said shoot for the ideal and the

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reason I love this conversation even though it

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went horribly wrong in a lot of cases because

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I listened to a majority of it was this truth

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and ideals conversation coach is more of a truth

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guy as in he gives it to you straight when it

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comes to pause by the way on that he gives it

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to you straight when it comes to Look, this is

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the reality of life we're living in. This is

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what is happening out here outside the church,

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outside your bubble. This is the world. This

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is the world you're living in, whether you like

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it or not. This is reality. This is what girls

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are doing. This is what most men are experiencing.

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I understand that in your dream world. This is

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what you want to happen, but this is not what's

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actually happening for most men That is what

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CJ talks about at length on his show now you

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contrast that with what Andrew Wilson was talking

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about and Instead what he was talking about what

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I've heard my whole life I've heard this my whole

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life the malarkey of oh just get married just

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go for it. Just shoot Just submit to God submit

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to a church Reverend and pour yourself in the

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church And, uh, pray it works essentially. And

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it's more likely to work out and just, just go

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for it. It's essentially the, uh, the prescription

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that they give, which for some people it works

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and that's great and fantastic for you. But the

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problem is for most men, that's not how it works.

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And, and on top of it all, you're selling men

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something that most of them cannot achieve. You

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can't sell people hope. without giving them a

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false reality that they think they're living

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in. Let me explain. If, for example, if Andrew

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Wilson, if his philosophy, which is what a lot

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of traditional conservatives preach, if it was

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achievable, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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If it was norm, we wouldn't be having this conversation

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because I would be agreeing with him and I'd

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be going for it. In an ideal world, I agree with

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everything he said. But the problem is We don't

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live in this ideal world. We do not live in a

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place in America, in the Western world. We don't

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live in a place that supports the type of situation

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he's describing with his ecclesiastic marriage.

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We don't live in it. It's not an achievable thing.

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Now, if it's some people roll the dice and roll

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a yacht seat, the answer is yes, they can. But

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here's the problem. You cannot control that now.

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I wanna shift gears for a second and tie this

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in and it'll all make sense, I promise. Now,

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a lot of people spend most of their life trying

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to grapple with something they can't control.

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They wanna say, oh, capitalism's no good. Oh,

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well, women aren't doing this. Oh, well, I wish

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the church did that. And I used to do that, by

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the way. I'm not doing it anymore. We're in season

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two of this show. Fuck these people. I don't

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care what they talk about. I until let me tell

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you like this. If you're a person who's religious

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and you're listening to the show, God bless you.

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You're great. Here's a problem. Unless you can

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give me as a non married man who grew up in the

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church, unless you could give to me right now

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this so -called ecclesiastic marriage that Andrew

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Wills is talking about, unless you can give me

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a tattoo free, debt free virgin woman. who's

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a Christian that sit there and I'm not gonna

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control her or do anything like that. I have

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no desire to control women. But unless you're

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gonna give me somebody who's there and wants

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to be part of my program, is gonna get on board

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with what I wanna do and is gonna sit there and

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listen to me while I help her and build up this

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family. Unless you can give me that, you better

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stop talking. I don't give a fuck what you're

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talking about. Fuck off. I fucking hate it when

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I have to listen to these people lecture me about

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what I should want. Well, you should want this.

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You know what I want? What every other man is

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wanted. But guess what? Oh, too bad. You can't

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really have it or you can get some of it, but

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not all of it. And at any point in time, even

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if you're getting what you want, it can be taken

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from you at any time. I have a guy with a Ferrari

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who drives by. If she's suddenly wants to go

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have a black guy phase, I'm white. Oh, she suddenly

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wants to go off with a girl trip to Las Vegas.

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All of a sudden, boom, all that hard work, everything

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is gone. Now, again, some people can make this

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work. Me, I work too hard, have too many things

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going on in my life to put myself in this position.

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I refuse to beta -cuck myself out and put myself

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in anagra - Okay, okay. My mind's going too fast.

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I got to slow to train down a little bit. OK,

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let's back up, back up, back up, Austin, back

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up. If in law school, not law school, in my pre

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law studies, we learned about. The idea of you

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can't lopsided agreement too much in one person's

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favor, because it's called. Unjust enrichment.

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You cannot lopside an agreement to the point

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where one person is basically getting nothing

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out of the agreement while the other party gets

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everything. It is called unfair or unjust enrichment,

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and it's illegal. Now, you apply that to a corporation,

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they have those rules. For some reason, people

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don't see marriage as a business, which it is,

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by the way. And whether you want to accept that

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or not is a business merger. You, yes, you listening

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to the show, whether you be male or female, you

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have, if you are a United States citizen, a social

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security number. That social security number

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registers you as part of the social system. So

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you are your debt, all your capital gains. Everything

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is tied to your social security number, your

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credit score, you name it. When you marry somebody

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else, That ties together. Now, her debt is your

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debt. Your debt is her debt. Your gains are her

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gains unless you get a prenup. And etc. And so

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on and so forth. This is how it works. Now, with

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all the debt and whatnot in American society

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because of student loan debt, credit card debt,

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business debt, you name it, a lot of people are

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unmarriageable just off of their finances alone.

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So I didn't hear any of them bring that up. Maybe

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they brought that up and I missed that portion

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of the show. But in that conversation, I did

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not hear one time about, hey, how are you gonna

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make this so -called ecclesiastical marriage

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work when you marry this woman who has $90 ,000

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in student loan debt from her days in college?

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How are you gonna make that work? Or should you

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even make that work? Because... That's unfair

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enrichment. All of a sudden she has you to pay

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the debt down because now the debt is your problem,

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too. Where is that in the conversation? I didn't

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hear that part. You might say, Austin, this is

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not important, you're getting off topic. No,

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I am not getting off topic. This is all part

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and parcel of why the dating and relationship

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and marriage marketplace looks the way it looks.

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Because the number one reason for divorce or

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struggles in your relationships, even if they

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don't break up, is money. Money is a number one

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problem. So why don't I hear more people talking

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about this? That is a reality. That's one of

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the reasons why when I was listening to this

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conversation slash debate, I was flabbergasted

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that I didn't hear him bring that up once. It

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was all about love. It was all about what should

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be and what the politicians are going to be and

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what the church does. Not once that I hear about

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the conversation relating around money. Which

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to coach Greg Adams' credit, shout out to the

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coach. He wrote about this in his book, The Evolution.

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He wrote about this. Calling them debt demons.

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That's one of his things. Now. My friends, here's

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the issue. The issue is I understand people who

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want to agree with people like Andrew Wilson.

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They want to agree. That if you just do blank,

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then everything will work for you. I understand

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your desire to believe this. I want to believe

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it. You may not believe you might not want to

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accept that, but I do. You really think that

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I don't want to be married. You think that I

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don't want to have this relationship. The answer

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is I do. I do. But here's a problem. This is

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why I wrote Biblical Bachelor, one of my book.

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This is why I wrote it. It's not. conceivable

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in most people's cases anymore. Or even if it's

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possible, it's not the investment it was. The

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50s were a blip on human history. They were not

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the norm. We're not going back. Well, no matter

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how much we retrospect, no matter how much we

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wish for it, it's not coming back. The 50s are

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gone, it's not coming back, but here's the problem,

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people are selling you a dream that only if you

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go to church you're immune to this, and it's

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not true. It's just not. I wish it was, but it's

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not. Divorce is a disease and it's contagious.

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One of your friends gets a divorce, or someone

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she knows at work gets a divorce, guess what?

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Now she's more likely to get divorced. Statistically

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speaking, she is more likely to become divorced.

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And you can't control that. Zero. You have zero

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control over that. But this is why this conversation

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was so interesting to me, because Andrew kept

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going back to the same talking points, which

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was, well, this is what should, this is what

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ideally, this is what marriage could look like.

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He was talking about what should, would, or couldn't

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versus coach was talking about what it is. And

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this truth versus ideals is what we see in this

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entire dating marketplace. We see what we want

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to see and wish for X, but we know we're getting

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Y. Even though we want X, we're getting Y. We're

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not getting what we think we're getting or delude

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ourselves in thinking that we might get it someday.

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That is the truth. Again, you can make things

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work. I am not saying you can't. What I'm telling

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you is that you are not Going to get the full

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story and the odds are stacked against you even

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if they're not right now They could five years

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from now ten years from now and you've lost all

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that time. You've lost Everything that now is

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marital property. You are on the hook You are

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on the hook That's why when I talk about prenups

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and I hear women like score. I see them score

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them when they talk about it It's cuz they know

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this They don't want to sign it They want to

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walk away with your money. Or at least have the

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option to pull the ripcord and know the parachutes

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there. That's what they want. They always want

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that get a jail free card like we're playing

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a Monopoly game. This is not a Monopoly game.

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This is life. And you might say, well, Austin,

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it's the prime breadwinner who is on child support

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and blah, blah, blah. Yes. Which means men 90

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% of the time, if not more. And this, my friends,

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is not new to anybody who's paid attention. But

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what's new is that religion is really being called

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to the map for the first time, and I'm here for

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it. I'm here for dispelling the delusions that

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the church is this bastion's last haven of traditionalism,

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and it's just not true. In fact, I care to wager

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that a lot of men who are traditional conservatives

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actually are more, quote, misogynists than guys

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like me. I'm not here trying to change and control

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women. They are they're the ones out here trying

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to control women Have you know get their reverend

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and tell their wife to hook up with them to give

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them marital, you know, there's a missionary

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That's what they want. I'm not I'm not telling

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women to do that. I'm telling women Hey, you

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want to be our program is you want to go crawl

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after Chris Brown? You want to go after these

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people go ahead. I don't care what you do. Go

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ahead Me I'm gonna keep building up to the point

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where I want to own the label that Chris Brown

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works for that's what I want That's how you win

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gentlemen is understanding you can only control

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yourself You accept reality even if you have

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ideals you do not lose touch with reality Otherwise

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you lose touch of control over yourself Because

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all of a sudden you've lost yourself to the land

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of make -believe as opposed to the here in the

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now Which is what's gonna help you win? And I

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know you don't want to hear this I didn't want

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to hear it either, but guess what? Good medicine

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tastes lousy and we need more of it. We need

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medicine that's gonna heal our vision Not the

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make us see something that's not real or might

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be half real and not half and you don't know

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which is which That's dangerous You haven't seen

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it I recommend you see it I think it's something

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that a lot of dudes are gonna be split down the

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middle on and rightfully so because this truth

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and ideals conversation so many people try to

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kind of bring the two together. And I understand

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it. You might argue I try to do that. But I'm

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more about the truth now. I was once very idealistic,

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not anymore. I don't believe in this idealism

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anymore. I believe that, yeah, of course, things

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should be this or should be that, but it's not.

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And I don't see that changing anytime soon. So

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I'd rather focus on surviving and making sure

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that I can win as opposed to making sure that

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I sell you a dream that's not even true. or that

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some of you might be kind of live out 70 to 80

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% of it, maybe, and that's if you're lucky. And

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if you fail, you lose the game of life itself

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and you set yourself back 20 to 30 years. My

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friends, you let me know if you've seen this

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and what you thought about it. If you haven't

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seen it, I recommend you go see it because everything

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I just said will make tremendously more sense.

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My friends, take care of yourselves. I'm out

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of here. Peace out.
