Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the sheep get
shared podcast. I'm your host Austin Creed and
my friends I listened to something this morning
that really blew me away. I did not know that
there was a debate It wasn't really a debate.
It was more of a conversation gone wrong between
CGA shout out the CGA coach Greg Adams and Alex
Wilson, I don't even know much about Andrew.
Sorry, Andrew Wilson. I don't know much about
him. All I know is he's a more conservative kind
of re he's supposed to be a more like red pill
guy apparently but he's more like the Christian
conservative type red pill guy you know the type
right the type that tells you oh just get married
just basically do everything the the antithesis
of what we talk about on on this show essentially
go for the ecclesiastics version of marriage
Uh, if you're a Christian, you're less likely
to get divorced, be more invested in church,
be more spiritual, be more of a Christian. And
the church is going to bat for you and just pour
yourself in a community in the church and tithe
and, um, pray you don't get divorced. And, you
know, if you integrate yourself enough with the
Christian church, then your wife's just going
to roll over and your wife's going to always
be fit. Always want to have sex with you. All
this stuff, right? Versus coach Greg Adams if
you've never if you've never listened to him.
I've listened to him for years. I Think I'm one
of the few white guys who listens to him. I love
coach. He's fantastic. Um But when it comes down
to it They're very different people and the reason
I bring this up is not because I want to hype
or dick ride anybody the reason I bring it up
is because What it was an interesting parallel
between truth and ideals If any of you are more
Christian or more, if you're more religious,
you get this ideals conversation every single
day of your life. Everybody who's also religious
will tell you, Oh, don't care about the, I don't
care about reality. You need to shoot for this.
You need to emulate God. You need to emulate
Jesus. You need to emulate ex -prophet. You need
to emulate this pastor, this theologian. You
basically need to emulate everybody. except for
people they don't like you need to not embrace
reality and said shoot for the ideal and the
reason I love this conversation even though it
went horribly wrong in a lot of cases because
I listened to a majority of it was this truth
and ideals conversation coach is more of a truth
guy as in he gives it to you straight when it
comes to pause by the way on that he gives it
to you straight when it comes to Look, this is
the reality of life we're living in. This is
what is happening out here outside the church,
outside your bubble. This is the world. This
is the world you're living in, whether you like
it or not. This is reality. This is what girls
are doing. This is what most men are experiencing.
I understand that in your dream world. This is
what you want to happen, but this is not what's
actually happening for most men That is what
CJ talks about at length on his show now you
contrast that with what Andrew Wilson was talking
about and Instead what he was talking about what
I've heard my whole life I've heard this my whole
life the malarkey of oh just get married just
go for it. Just shoot Just submit to God submit
to a church Reverend and pour yourself in the
church And, uh, pray it works essentially. And
it's more likely to work out and just, just go
for it. It's essentially the, uh, the prescription
that they give, which for some people it works
and that's great and fantastic for you. But the
problem is for most men, that's not how it works.
And, and on top of it all, you're selling men
something that most of them cannot achieve. You
can't sell people hope. without giving them a
false reality that they think they're living
in. Let me explain. If, for example, if Andrew
Wilson, if his philosophy, which is what a lot
of traditional conservatives preach, if it was
achievable, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
If it was norm, we wouldn't be having this conversation
because I would be agreeing with him and I'd
be going for it. In an ideal world, I agree with
everything he said. But the problem is We don't
live in this ideal world. We do not live in a
place in America, in the Western world. We don't
live in a place that supports the type of situation
he's describing with his ecclesiastic marriage.
We don't live in it. It's not an achievable thing.
Now, if it's some people roll the dice and roll
a yacht seat, the answer is yes, they can. But
here's the problem. You cannot control that now.
I wanna shift gears for a second and tie this
in and it'll all make sense, I promise. Now,
a lot of people spend most of their life trying
to grapple with something they can't control.
They wanna say, oh, capitalism's no good. Oh,
well, women aren't doing this. Oh, well, I wish
the church did that. And I used to do that, by
the way. I'm not doing it anymore. We're in season
two of this show. Fuck these people. I don't
care what they talk about. I until let me tell
you like this. If you're a person who's religious
and you're listening to the show, God bless you.
You're great. Here's a problem. Unless you can
give me as a non married man who grew up in the
church, unless you could give to me right now
this so -called ecclesiastic marriage that Andrew
Wills is talking about, unless you can give me
a tattoo free, debt free virgin woman. who's
a Christian that sit there and I'm not gonna
control her or do anything like that. I have
no desire to control women. But unless you're
gonna give me somebody who's there and wants
to be part of my program, is gonna get on board
with what I wanna do and is gonna sit there and
listen to me while I help her and build up this
family. Unless you can give me that, you better
stop talking. I don't give a fuck what you're
talking about. Fuck off. I fucking hate it when
I have to listen to these people lecture me about
what I should want. Well, you should want this.
You know what I want? What every other man is
wanted. But guess what? Oh, too bad. You can't
really have it or you can get some of it, but
not all of it. And at any point in time, even
if you're getting what you want, it can be taken
from you at any time. I have a guy with a Ferrari
who drives by. If she's suddenly wants to go
have a black guy phase, I'm white. Oh, she suddenly
wants to go off with a girl trip to Las Vegas.
All of a sudden, boom, all that hard work, everything
is gone. Now, again, some people can make this
work. Me, I work too hard, have too many things
going on in my life to put myself in this position.
I refuse to beta -cuck myself out and put myself
in anagra - Okay, okay. My mind's going too fast.
I got to slow to train down a little bit. OK,
let's back up, back up, back up, Austin, back
up. If in law school, not law school, in my pre
law studies, we learned about. The idea of you
can't lopsided agreement too much in one person's
favor, because it's called. Unjust enrichment.
You cannot lopside an agreement to the point
where one person is basically getting nothing
out of the agreement while the other party gets
everything. It is called unfair or unjust enrichment,
and it's illegal. Now, you apply that to a corporation,
they have those rules. For some reason, people
don't see marriage as a business, which it is,
by the way. And whether you want to accept that
or not is a business merger. You, yes, you listening
to the show, whether you be male or female, you
have, if you are a United States citizen, a social
security number. That social security number
registers you as part of the social system. So
you are your debt, all your capital gains. Everything
is tied to your social security number, your
credit score, you name it. When you marry somebody
else, That ties together. Now, her debt is your
debt. Your debt is her debt. Your gains are her
gains unless you get a prenup. And etc. And so
on and so forth. This is how it works. Now, with
all the debt and whatnot in American society
because of student loan debt, credit card debt,
business debt, you name it, a lot of people are
unmarriageable just off of their finances alone.
So I didn't hear any of them bring that up. Maybe
they brought that up and I missed that portion
of the show. But in that conversation, I did
not hear one time about, hey, how are you gonna
make this so -called ecclesiastical marriage
work when you marry this woman who has $90 ,000
in student loan debt from her days in college?
How are you gonna make that work? Or should you
even make that work? Because... That's unfair
enrichment. All of a sudden she has you to pay
the debt down because now the debt is your problem,
too. Where is that in the conversation? I didn't
hear that part. You might say, Austin, this is
not important, you're getting off topic. No,
I am not getting off topic. This is all part
and parcel of why the dating and relationship
and marriage marketplace looks the way it looks.
Because the number one reason for divorce or
struggles in your relationships, even if they
don't break up, is money. Money is a number one
problem. So why don't I hear more people talking
about this? That is a reality. That's one of
the reasons why when I was listening to this
conversation slash debate, I was flabbergasted
that I didn't hear him bring that up once. It
was all about love. It was all about what should
be and what the politicians are going to be and
what the church does. Not once that I hear about
the conversation relating around money. Which
to coach Greg Adams' credit, shout out to the
coach. He wrote about this in his book, The Evolution.
He wrote about this. Calling them debt demons.
That's one of his things. Now. My friends, here's
the issue. The issue is I understand people who
want to agree with people like Andrew Wilson.
They want to agree. That if you just do blank,
then everything will work for you. I understand
your desire to believe this. I want to believe
it. You may not believe you might not want to
accept that, but I do. You really think that
I don't want to be married. You think that I
don't want to have this relationship. The answer
is I do. I do. But here's a problem. This is
why I wrote Biblical Bachelor, one of my book.
This is why I wrote it. It's not. conceivable
in most people's cases anymore. Or even if it's
possible, it's not the investment it was. The
50s were a blip on human history. They were not
the norm. We're not going back. Well, no matter
how much we retrospect, no matter how much we
wish for it, it's not coming back. The 50s are
gone, it's not coming back, but here's the problem,
people are selling you a dream that only if you
go to church you're immune to this, and it's
not true. It's just not. I wish it was, but it's
not. Divorce is a disease and it's contagious.
One of your friends gets a divorce, or someone
she knows at work gets a divorce, guess what?
Now she's more likely to get divorced. Statistically
speaking, she is more likely to become divorced.
And you can't control that. Zero. You have zero
control over that. But this is why this conversation
was so interesting to me, because Andrew kept
going back to the same talking points, which
was, well, this is what should, this is what
ideally, this is what marriage could look like.
He was talking about what should, would, or couldn't
versus coach was talking about what it is. And
this truth versus ideals is what we see in this
entire dating marketplace. We see what we want
to see and wish for X, but we know we're getting
Y. Even though we want X, we're getting Y. We're
not getting what we think we're getting or delude
ourselves in thinking that we might get it someday.
That is the truth. Again, you can make things
work. I am not saying you can't. What I'm telling
you is that you are not Going to get the full
story and the odds are stacked against you even
if they're not right now They could five years
from now ten years from now and you've lost all
that time. You've lost Everything that now is
marital property. You are on the hook You are
on the hook That's why when I talk about prenups
and I hear women like score. I see them score
them when they talk about it It's cuz they know
this They don't want to sign it They want to
walk away with your money. Or at least have the
option to pull the ripcord and know the parachutes
there. That's what they want. They always want
that get a jail free card like we're playing
a Monopoly game. This is not a Monopoly game.
This is life. And you might say, well, Austin,
it's the prime breadwinner who is on child support
and blah, blah, blah. Yes. Which means men 90
% of the time, if not more. And this, my friends,
is not new to anybody who's paid attention. But
what's new is that religion is really being called
to the map for the first time, and I'm here for
it. I'm here for dispelling the delusions that
the church is this bastion's last haven of traditionalism,
and it's just not true. In fact, I care to wager
that a lot of men who are traditional conservatives
actually are more, quote, misogynists than guys
like me. I'm not here trying to change and control
women. They are they're the ones out here trying
to control women Have you know get their reverend
and tell their wife to hook up with them to give
them marital, you know, there's a missionary
That's what they want. I'm not I'm not telling
women to do that. I'm telling women Hey, you
want to be our program is you want to go crawl
after Chris Brown? You want to go after these
people go ahead. I don't care what you do. Go
ahead Me I'm gonna keep building up to the point
where I want to own the label that Chris Brown
works for that's what I want That's how you win
gentlemen is understanding you can only control
yourself You accept reality even if you have
ideals you do not lose touch with reality Otherwise
you lose touch of control over yourself Because
all of a sudden you've lost yourself to the land
of make -believe as opposed to the here in the
now Which is what's gonna help you win? And I
know you don't want to hear this I didn't want
to hear it either, but guess what? Good medicine
tastes lousy and we need more of it. We need
medicine that's gonna heal our vision Not the
make us see something that's not real or might
be half real and not half and you don't know
which is which That's dangerous You haven't seen
it I recommend you see it I think it's something
that a lot of dudes are gonna be split down the
middle on and rightfully so because this truth
and ideals conversation so many people try to
kind of bring the two together. And I understand
it. You might argue I try to do that. But I'm
more about the truth now. I was once very idealistic,
not anymore. I don't believe in this idealism
anymore. I believe that, yeah, of course, things
should be this or should be that, but it's not.
And I don't see that changing anytime soon. So
I'd rather focus on surviving and making sure
that I can win as opposed to making sure that
I sell you a dream that's not even true. or that
some of you might be kind of live out 70 to 80
% of it, maybe, and that's if you're lucky. And
if you fail, you lose the game of life itself
and you set yourself back 20 to 30 years. My
friends, you let me know if you've seen this
and what you thought about it. If you haven't
seen it, I recommend you go see it because everything
I just said will make tremendously more sense.
My friends, take care of yourselves. I'm out
of here. Peace out.