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Hey guys, welcome back to more of Mel the coolest part in the game where I pick people's brains about things that really keep me up at night.

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I'm your host Mel and on today's episode of Roaring 20s I'm joined by Brendan McNamara who I will personally be using as a therapist and counselor to talk me out of my fear of turning 20.

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So I really do apologize in advance but you're stuck here now and there's no getting out of it. So would you mind introducing yourself to my listeners please?

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Do I keep you up at night?

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Not you dude!

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I'm kidding, I'm kidding Melody listen there is nowhere, I don't think anywhere I'd rather be than on this podcast right now.

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Oh my god that makes me so happy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah you reached out to me in the summer about this and I'm glad we manifested it. You manifested it.

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Yeah, I know I'm so happy you're here.

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And also can I just say everyone, I was talking to my friends about this and I was telling them that you were my guest on this and so many people were hyping you up about this topic.

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So my expectations are so high so you have to live up to them honestly.

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Alright, alright hopefully I won't let the people down but I'm happy to be here. I'll tell you one of me a tell a little about myself.

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My name is Brendan McNamara, I'm from Arlington Massachusetts about 25 minutes north of Emerson College.

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I go to Emerson College, I'm a sophomore, I'm a business and creative enterprise major.

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I'm a point guard for the basketball team.

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I have two awesome siblings, I love my parents, I love my life, I love who I am and who I'm becoming.

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Such a huge life story, thank you.

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It's a synced way to put it, that's all.

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No, it's great, a little overview of who you are.

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So this, I talked about this in my first episode about how I had a really reflective summer and it's really going to be a recurring theme in every episode because this summer was like crazy reflective

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and I don't think I've ever thought about my life and my person as much as I did this past summer.

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So just a quick question before we really dive into everything, is there really, oh also Brendan is 20.

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I am 20, I'm turning 21 in November 3rd so it's going to be madness out there when I'm stepping on the scene.

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Oh my god, okay. Well yeah, I just wanted to make that clear, I'm 19, he's 20 and that's why I chose him for this episode and also because I think you're very insightful honestly and we've had some pretty good conversations.

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That's really nice of you Melody.

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Thank you so much, I am a nice person. But, is there really a drastic difference between your teens and your 20s?

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I wouldn't say so, I think psychologically a little bit because you start to say to yourself, alright I'm within the 20s and so when you look ahead at later in the 20s or 26, 27, 28, whatever, you start to project and think, okay, am I going to be married by then?

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So you start to, I think in a way, take yourself a little more seriously but I think some of it also is you've got to stay young, you've got to stay curious, you've got to stay a little naive but also willing to learn and make mistakes.

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But yeah, being 20, which is kind of crazy and then now turning 21, I think it's just continuing to take yourself seriously and your own life and what's important to you and starting to figure out what the main things are, what your priorities are and kind of weed away the things that are distractions or just are detriments in your life.

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Which I think when you're a little younger, 16, 17, even 18, you think are so important but as you get a little older, and I'm feeling a little older but I'm still just about your age, you start to realize some of those things just don't carry a lot of weight.

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So I wouldn't say it's a huge difference but I just say it starts to hit you where you're like, okay, I'm entering the road of the 20s where by the end of this, who knows, am I going to be married, am I going to have children, like, that's a long way away and not something I want to think about at all but it kind of reminds you that you got to start to get your shit together a little bit.

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Yeah, so you really touched on so many things I want to talk about. For me, the thing that scares me the most is kind of the domino effect once you enter that 20. So, 2021, 22, 23, like it just, it's just going to go on and on and on and I'm like horrified at that.

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I don't know why, I swear people are going to think I'm so dramatic but like, I don't know, I'm just like, heart is pounding out of my chest when December 27th comes because like, for me, when you turn 20 it's like, okay at 18, like you can vote, you're kind of adult-ish, whatever, but when that like, from teenager to like not having that teen like prefix to your age, that's like, oh my god, like, I have to rely on myself more.

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I have to like, kind of stray away from like, leaning on my parents, kind of that vibe. So it's just horrifying to you.

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But that's normal, that's normal to think that. I don't think you're alone in that. And yeah, I think that's a very normal and reasonable feeling to have, I'd say. Yeah, sometimes, I repeat a year of high school, when I transferred way back sophomore year, so I'm like a little older.

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And sometimes I think about even the fact that like, I'll be 23 when I graduate college, which is kind of normal, I guess 22 is standard, but a lot of people are a little older, and I'll be like, Jesus Christ, like, I'm going to be old, and then once I'm done, it's like, shit, I'm almost 24, whatever.

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But then I'm just thinking that there's so much transpires in these years you learn so much you gain so much wisdom and knowledge from mistakes and just letting yourself live and being present in the moment that you can't look too far ahead because if you do that, it'll just fuck you up and you'll get overwhelmed because I do it a lot and more ways than just my own life.

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I think about, you know, obviously, like, the people I'm going to have in my life, I think about my ambitions, I think about where I'm going to be, but some of it's just, it's all a rabbit hole, you just got to be in the moment.

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Yeah, speaking of rabbit hole, like I have a story time again back to the reflective summer. When I was back home in Haiti, I had like, I'm this I need to scratch out this memory from my brain I had just one week where I went out literally every single day and like when I mean, like I went out, I

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partied I drank, I, whatever I did what a teenage girl does during her summer right and after like the Sunday following that whole week of like binge partying.

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When I woke up on that Sunday, I had the craziest case of Sunday scaries that really like kind of flipped a switch in my head I woke up I was like, you need to stop like you need to get your shit together because this is not something like, I guess it's normal.

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I'm on vacation but I don't know just the thing the events that occurred during like my nights out shit like I did, I was like dude, you need to wake the fuck up like looking at myself in the mirror I was like, like it was an out of body experience like I was talking to myself.

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So I just want to know have you ever had like, did you have like a flip switch in your mind.

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I have moments when that happens I wouldn't say I could point to one specific moment where I look at myself and I'm like, I gotta get my shit together I'm all over the place but there's moments where I can feel when I'm not being myself if like I did go out or I'm with people who I went out because I wanted to maybe try to fit in and just be out for the night and you get like FOMO or whatever.

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And then the next day, you're just kind of like I wasn't even myself. I'll get those moments and then it makes you want to get back on track and redirect to what's important to you and and keeping the main thing the main thing in your life whatever that may be but yeah those happen to me pretty often but I don't overreact too much I think I've had moments where I overreact even last year I struggled being at college.

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And I have days where I just always wanted to go home on the weekend fortunate for me it's close but I also relied on it a lot and there'd be mornings I'd wake up.

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And for those who go to Emerson I was in a light well and those who don't there's no natural light that comes to the room so you wake up.

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It's pitch black it could be 4pm could be 4am you'd have no idea and I'd wake up and I'd always sometimes I'd feel like a rush of anxiety of like fuck I feel all over the place I feel disorganized what I do last night.

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Like that wasn't me and then you just want to get out of there so yeah that's the light well I'm so sorry about that.

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It was brutal you realize the small things you know people say the little things matter natural light makes a ginormous difference and now this year I have some natural light coming through my window when I wake up and it gives you a level of inspiration.

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But when you're in a dark room when you wake up I mean how the hell do you expect me to just get up with ease no it ain't gonna happen and it's just it was fucking miserable.

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So to circle back to the point of having those like wake up scarries yeah it happened to me a bit too much last year but with experience Melody you get better at navigating it and I'd say that I don't overreact when they happen and if they do happen then you see it as just a moment of growth.

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And speaking of growth I kind of want to dig into your brain a little bit and for you to give me some advice about like growth and living in the present and how do you go about like growing you know.

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You want advice? I would love some advice.

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I'd say one thing that's really freeing a few things that I've had to realize and I think frees you up is one you know you got to control the controllables and not try to control the uncontrollable factors because there's a myriad of them and if you try to think of all of them it'll just overwhelm you and it'll just

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play mind games with you. That's one. Two I think a realization that we all have to make at one point is realizing we're not all that important. I think there is a feeling and I get it and especially with social media is like you post something and you're wondering how people are going to react to it.

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And in your mind you might think oh they're going to look at this and be like in your mind you might think the worst and they might be like oh shit what is that pose or what is he doing in this photo he doesn't look good. People don't actually give a fuck.

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Okay they look at it they look at it they look at it they might like it maybe they'll send it to a friend if they're really flattered over you.

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So there's two things they'll either send it or they're flattered great or if they want to send it and they're talking shit about you well guess what they have their own insecurities that they got to figure out and that's their own problem.

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But I think when you live in a way where you think everyone is viewing you and looking at you with a judgmental view that can create fear and that'll create hesitancy and you might mask who you really are.

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But when you just remember that in a way yourself you're not that important. In other words, people around you don't actually care that much because put yourself in the shoes of someone you see on the street does something that's embarrassing.

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Are you going to go talking about the rest of the day no you might tell one person, and then it passes by within the next few minutes and if you do harp on it all day then you're a loser, and you got to do your own introspection.

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So I think that allows you to just be who you really are when you are your most authentic self then you get to unleash the best in you.

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So I'd say accepting that you're not that important can be can be healthy.

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I like that point. I feel like that's a very hard pill to swallow.

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It is. It is. And you are really important to a lot of people.

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Oh for sure.

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I mean that's what I was going to say, but I think this when we are just going out in public or in the grand scheme of things.

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The whole public eye. I mean I don't envy people who are in the like under a microscopic lens in the public eye.

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But even for them I bet that's something I mean I've seen interviews from people who are being judged all the time that's like their life they get critiqued athletes, all kinds of public figures.

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I feel like they say in different ways as well. It's like how you didn't make me so why would your opinion of me like I'm not going to let it break me.

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I mean the only person the only opinion of you that matters is your own not others.

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Yeah I agree with that a lot and I kind of want to go back to the like the social media subject because that's something I've been working on a lot because I used to put so much value in social media.

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Like you said like if when I used to post something I used to literally like close my phone or like delete the Instagram app because I'd be like checking all the time like who like this who commented it who like who shared it or whatever.

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And it was really like very detrimental to my mental health because like this is the shit you're putting value on like are you serious.

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There's so many other like things that will be productive to your life like other than social media that you need to put your focus on because like like I don't know.

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I don't know I had to do I took an like how do you call that like when you take a break from social media.

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Kind of a cleanse type thing over the summer and it felt really good.

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I didn't have snapchat for like three months I was like wow like this is so refreshing.

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It is like I.

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It is I started prioritizing other things I started reading more I started I restarted journaling I had lost touch with journaling.

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I know you're a big journal.

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Guys I used to take a class with the bread man last semester every morning 8 a.m.

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homeboy pulls out his little journal and starts journaling the entire class.

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But I admire that because like I mean it's an outlet.

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It is it is it's a friend who will never tell you secrets.

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So never talk back to you and it's a friend you have no need to impress just like that's just so let it all out.

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Yes I started putting more value into those types of things like I don't I think I saw maybe three friends over the summer apart from that I spent the entire summer with my family.

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I was kind of forced to because like I was back home but like it was really awesome and like I'm not going to stop using this word refreshing.

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It was just like a like a breath of fresh air just like slapping me in the face and it was really like I don't know it was awesome.

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But you keep getting me very good segues speaking of friends and you call your journal friend which I'm not going to comment on but my best friend one of my best friend.

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That's awesome for you.

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But speaking of friends I grew apart from a lot of people and I think that's something that comes in your 20s and as you grow and whatnot.

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Do you have any comment on that or like elaboration.

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Yeah 100 percent.

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I think you break away from high school a bit.

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Even last year I was holding on to high school for a while and you grow to know everyone in your school and everyone knows you.

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And then with time you start to realize who you really stay connected with.

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I transferred high schools too so I still have like my core friends from my hometown and you start to just realize that people are in your life for different reasons.

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You have different kinds of friendships like I have friends who I played basketball with my whole life.

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I'm still real close with I don't see him as much but when I do see him it feels like I've no time has been lost.

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I have friends who you know I have these deep kind of conversations with and who I connect with on a deep level.

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I have friends who I just go out with and have fun and life isn't too serious.

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And so I think you need to balance those people and what's pockets of your life you want those people in and whether it brings value or detriment.

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But you have to just accept another thing that's good to accept that people are just going to fade away and they do their own thing and you do your own thing because it goes both ways.

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It's like I have friends who I haven't heard from in a while who I was real close with in high school.

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But then on the other end they might be thinking the same thing I haven't heard from him what happened to him he went all ghost on me.

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So it's a two way street and you a lot of it's just rude and being busy and being sucked into your own life and the things going on in a different path different direction trajectory with college or whatever endeavors you go into.

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So it's interesting the people that do end up saying sometimes it's not who you expected to be. I have some friends with high school who I wasn't even that close with.

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But some of them go to school closer around Emerson like outside Boston.

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I'm close with them because they're just around and I have some friends who went farther away.

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And so I just don't actually don't see them or talk to them as much.

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But it's something you just got to accept that people come in and out of your life for a reason and some every person is in your life for a different reason.

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They bring different value and it goes both ways. You bring that value to them in different ways.

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Yeah. I 100 percent agree with that. But again I feel like that's a well for me personally it's a really hard pill to swallow especially like I recently.

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Well not she's not dead but like I recently lost one of my best friends like we're not friends anymore right.

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Yeah. So I'm going to tell you it just goes to show that like you're going to be OK at the end of the day.

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Even if that person leaves your life. So we even best friend we had been best friends for probably like 10 years or like close to 10 years.

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And I was in Miami like over December break and it was kind of not rocky but like we weren't talking as much as we would have like previously.

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And so and we share the same birthday. And so I text her I was like hey let's like throw a birthday party like I'm turning 19 you're turning 18 whatever.

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And like everything went through like the we had a fun time. I had a fun time at the party.

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But then like things started kind of going south like I don't even know how it happened but I don't want this to be like me calling her out or whatever.

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But we both said nasty things to each other and eventually the friendship like faded out right.

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And I was crushed because I had just gotten broken up with two and I was like fuck.

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Like I lose my boyfriend and my best friend isn't here to support me.

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I was like holy fuck like what am I like I swear I was dying inside because like OK boyfriend whatever like it hurt for a little bit.

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But that was temporary. But this girl I thought was going to be in my life forever like bridesmaids on my wedding made of honor or whatever.

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And the fact that like she left my life and it came without a warning and I was like oh like panic mode was just turned on you know.

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But then here I am months later I'm fine I'm doing great I have my friends here.

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I don't know it just goes to show I think you were saying this earlier that like we shouldn't put too much of a worry on temporary things.

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Yeah you know yeah you will. Yeah like things so much transpires with time was one thing time always does is it tells.

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Time always tells and you just got to let it tell and with time sometimes you realize like that had to happen like breakups suck. You just lose one.

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I've gone through break they suck. But you never take so long to accept it and heal from it.

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But then finally with hindsight I'm so I tell his 2020 and that saying is for sure true because you see things so much clearer.

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Wow I struggled so much last year but for some reason I now look back on last year and I'm like damn like that was a great year.

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But it was what I struggled a lot but I gained a lot out of it.

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I stuck with it and all that but in the moment I was like get me to winter break get me to Thanksgiving break get me to Christmas March break get me to summer.

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And then with hindsight it's like damn I feel like I loved it here I just didn't realize it so you just got to let.

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Let should happen. Let's just happen and then let yourself reflect once you have a less of a judgmental view on it and you can really just kind of measure it with a value before and after.

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Yeah I definitely agree with that. Also something that I kind of wanted to touch on is the whole idea of comparing yourself to people because that's something that I really really struggle with like to this day.

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And I don't know I think personally because I think you know this I was a dancer for a long while and I think that my issue with like comparing myself to other people really stems from that because people really push like dancers against each other and it's like I need to be like this.

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I need to be this skinny I need to be this good at dancing and I think that just like grew with me like as I got older. So did my like fear of like not being as good as the next person so kind of want to hear your thoughts on that.

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I think it's natural to compare yourself for sure and sometimes it's can be beneficial to gain some kind of measuring stick but as it pertains to like your ambitions and who you want to be or who you're trying to be I think what what another thing that's really freeing is

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like celebrating other success whether it's your friends or maybe it's people you don't know you don't need to celebrate everyone's success because you're not rooting for everyone you don't need to root against anyone but the people you're rooting for the people around you like

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celebrate their success because envy just strips so much joy from things and the like being on a team and always playing basketball my whole life like when you celebrate the success of others your teammates and you want them to do well as bad as you want success for yourself.

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What happens is it gets returned and one of the best feelings is when you do something that deserves recognition or gets recognition and everyone's there to celebrate you and appreciate you for what you're doing that is one of the most invaluable and special

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feelings that you can have but if you're someone who's always envious and not really rooting for others and clearly seems affected by other people doing well when you're not doing as well or not getting as much attention then when your success comes around it's going to be a ghost town because no one wants to root for you when you're just bitter and all you're doing is being envious so it's a natural feeling to have like I'd be lying if I said I never compared or still don't sometimes but

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you also just feel a sense of peace when you're like very secure with who you are in your own journey and you can celebrate the success of others and I think you might get into it but that's a value of the brand my brother and I have more than different appreciate celebrate elevate celebrating the success of others so when yours comes other people celebrate you and allows you to live a little more freely.

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I agree with that like I've definitely gotten way better at it before it was like again back to social media everything reverts back to fucking social media and its toxicity like I it was so bad at one point that I literally had my mom lock away my phone for and it's like an entire two months I was like do you need to take this shit away from me like I'm going bonkers.

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It is it's so social media I totally agree it's such an obligation like it's a world that you feel like you have to stay in touch with and it drives me fucking nuts I actually been off snap for two weeks now.

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That's awesome and I stay off I am I feel great I can imagine I've missed some things and people are probably like this asshole why is he not responding but fuck them because it's making me feel better and I'm spending more time just in the moment and with my life but yeah even still Instagram like I go on there and I try to convince myself we have a business so I have to you know be active on there but naturally you end up going through the fucking rabbit hole and yeah it consumes you.

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But yeah I'm with you so much of it roots back to just the phone and then social media and it's like if you get away from that you realize how simple life can be you know you got your people got your priorities and you know you got your family or the people you really want around you and it's really as simple as that and then you got you know your day to day just taking the punches as they go instead of getting consumed in a whole different world and then being at war with yourself.

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That's that's just the worst.

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I also feel like living in the moment is such an important thing I remember over the summer.

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Me my brother and my two cousins we went on a trip up north right and it's like the most beautiful place you could ever imagine in Haiti.

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And so we got there and then like we had a really nice night together and then the next day we were going on a boat day right and so obviously I'm like oh shit boat I'm going to take some cute pictures whatever end up leaving my phone at the hotel so all the way like on the way I'm like oh like I'm having the worst time of my life I'm like shit I'm not even going to be able to take pictures what the fuck like this is annoying like kind of this this feeling of like I won't be able to brag about like what I saw today and I'm like oh shit I'm going to take some

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pictures of what I did and then I got there and totally forgot the phone existed for God the phone existed until I got back to that hotel room and I had the most amazing day of my life it was awesome.

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I don't know like throw away my phone sometimes right and it's like what sucks about the climate of social media we live in it's like if it ain't posted it didn't happen.

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Yeah. So it's like if you went somewhere had this awesome time you know if you didn't post about it then it probably didn't happen when in reality it's like the people could have the best summers but they didn't post all summer and you might think oh are they okay.

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My impulse sometimes is like I'll see people who haven't been active in a while I'm thinking to myself like damn I hope they're good but in reality they could be doing fucking better than all of us who are on this app but they're just you know they're living a great life and they're just not choosing to promulgate every little thing they do.

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So yeah that's another thing about the older I'm getting to it's like I feel I'm off Snapchat at least for now I'm sure I'll get back on at some point very little but like I got to be like a relationship away from being done with that app forever.

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So, and then I think about like Instagram's all right I think I need to just minimize how much time I spend just the scroll world, but it's obviously a way to kind of promote or market yourself like it's your own brand.

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Yeah. Having a brand it does help so I utilize that and then. Yeah, but I mean I'm ready to hang it up with with Snapchat. No, and then take talk to I'm not really on but.

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Yeah, it's like, oh yeah to you starts to beg, what am I doing here like I'm watching memes that probably like 16 year olds are at home creating.

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You know, I mean that's fair enough like I'm really over the whole Snapchat thing like I'm over it so much. I don't use it anymore like it's just, I don't know it's kind of useless to me.

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But we're kind of gearing towards the end of this whole episode but so when I first met you guys the first day of class, walk in this class see this blonde boy and then like we're doing introductions, and he's like, I have a business and I'm like, oh damn he's got his shit together.

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So I want to know like what went into that like what drove because you're, you're still young I know 20 I'm like, oh 20, but that's still young like you and your brother have this business.

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And like I want to know about it.

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So let me let me add this to two melodies horn one of the best things someone can do. Now I'm not expecting it but melody immediately wanted wanted to buy a hoodie and so she bought a hoodie. That's always the key to touching a soft spot in me so I appreciate the support.

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So more than different yeah my brother and I started when I was 16. 16 yes it's been about four and a half years he was 20, he's about four years apart.

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And so we started as a clothing brand and we didn't really have much of a plan we just, we said to ourselves we want to start something that embodies the people we strive to be and invites others around so we played around with the word different for a while because I've always

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felt, you know, we've always been the kind of popular sports kids but felt a little misunderstood always like I wasn't. I always felt like I wasn't one of just another one of them.

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We were different and then we were just mess around for a few weeks trying to figure out what click and more than different hit. And we're like that's the one then we came up designs, and we just silk screen printed white t shirts in my basement for a few weeks.

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And then we just like plain white gilding shirts went to like Michaels and bought a ton and bulk and so scream printed them like drive them with a heat gun. And then once we had enough we put it on like our personal Instagrams and like we're calling Mac

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was my brother call Mac Mara and I are starting a clothing brand called more than different swipe up if you want a shirt, and so many people so I've done we sold them for like 10 bucks that was the end of my sophomore year at Arlington High School so it was like the last week so I was showing up to school with

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bags and shirts and we were just slinging them out and weren't making much money but it was just to get it out there. And the love was pretty overwhelming and so we started being like okay like let's start a website. Let's start to expand some of the offerings we have we got into

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hoodies. And then, then when I went to Nobles transfer this prep school it started to take off, everyone was buying hoodies which was really cool and then we hit a point where it was like okay people like brand the hoodies are cool we have a lot of different colors

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but then it was like, we need to make clear what the mission is. And the mission is being more than different break it down two ways. Well the two I'd say it's a lifestyle brand about being authentic and ambitious but in more than different being more than. That's the point of being ambitious

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that is when you see more in yourself you start to see more in others that's how you start to interact with the world and I think you look internally and you start to see more potential in who you are more to unlock in yourself. You have a level of empathy when you look at others and you stop judging them with a quick view because you see there could be way more to them because I know there's way more to me. Yeah. And then being different that's your authenticity everyone has it in their own way and they just got to choose to let it let it be in their own way.

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So it's a pretty ambiguous meeting in terms of who a lot like resonates with it which I think is why it's really cool it's not just like an athlete's thing it's not a boy's thing. It's all walks of life and so we started like a podcast had all kinds of different guests that that epitomize what is to be more than different. We interviewed them let them tell their story kept going with the clothing start a blog and just kind of like a little bit of a

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story. I kept going with the clothing start a blog and just kind of kept going ever since and it's it's been tough because you got to just maintain my brother now works full time. I'm in college college athlete but I love it. I worked all summer on it. We had a big basketball tournament. I saw that.

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Yeah. You guys give out scholarship. Yeah. So that's awesome. Yes. The money we this is the second year we did it. But last year and it went the same this year. But last year we were all proceeds on the event went toward a college scholarship for students in the area to apply for. And we raised enough for two fifteen hundred dollars scholarships.

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And so they they'd write a like five hundred word essay basically question essentially being you know given the definition what it means to be more than different seeing more yourself more and others.

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How does this how is this pertinent in your life. And we got all kinds of amazing stories and we were able to give them out to a couple of recipients that were deserving and hoping to do that. Well we will do the same this year. We're just

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finalizing all the money. It was only like three weeks ago we had the tournament. So we're just round it all up and then we'll release the application. So I love it. I think why I mean so much to me is because it is the lifestyle paradigm with which I try to live my life. I try to see more myself see more and others.

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I try to be authentic and be ambitious and try to bring people that are around me and in my life along with that mission and encourage them to be who they really are and feel celebrated. So that's why it means a lot because it's simply just how I try to live my life and I get to market it and wear a bunch of clothing that has it on.

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Guys he's decked out in MTD merch right now. I am I am I even brought my MTD water bottle but hey Melody if you're not going to be the one to gloat it who will. I'll gloat it for you. No I know you do I'm just saying you know if you're the founder of the brand and you can't wear it then who's gonna. They're fucking enough. I always got to rock it. So thanks for asking. There's no better feeling than being asked about more than different because we definitely put a lot into it but no yeah still it's still growing it still needs a lot more.

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It's still growing it still needs a lot of work to do but for listeners you can go follow MTD the movement on Instagram you can go check out more than different dot com your one stop shop for all more than different content merchandise blogs. I write a lot of blogs I like to think I'm not a bad writer we have great podcast and yeah you can you can hear the whole story about what more than difference really about some more than different dot com folks. Thanks for the thanks for letting me get the plug.

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Because I'm not screaming at like the promo I'm screaming at like how your voice change and got so much more professional and marketing like but no that's awesome I think that's one of the main reasons why I chose you for to be in an episode of my podcast because I think that's really like inspiring and like that kind of motivates me I like I wake up every morning and I'm like damn Brendan has has a business. Every morning you wake up. Every morning with you in my mind I'm like God I gotta push like I.

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I gotta get my money I've got to stay motivated you know so I do it you got an idea like I'd say my base piece of advice on starting something like going in on some kind of business endeavor that with hindsight I wish my brother and I maybe knew is like having more of a plan going in like we kind of just adapted on the side on the fly and we're like alright this thing actually kind of hit let's let's put it on the fly.

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Let's put some more into this but yeah like you know there's a lot of highs and lows there's days where it's like shit is this really going to work but you got to stick with it and I'd say having a plan and stick into it but also being able to adapt is really important but yeah Melody if you get some I'll be one of your big supporters so if you start something I'm all for it.

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Thank you so much well guys I think we can talk about this topic forever and ever because it's something that I'm still very fearful about but that's that's all the time we have for you right now thank you so much for tuning into today's episode of more of Mel roaring 20s shout out to Brendan for being here it's such an honor to have you on the podcast I'm so happy you gave me some of your time out of your day and I was going to ask you for a piece of advice.

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But you already gave it before I asked. Yeah well listen this is a wonderful podcast and forget what I'm saying about the business you started the podcast that takes courage Melody that takes courage.

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Trust me every time I put my podcast out whenever we do episodes where we clip something out and post it like I feel vulnerable because you put yourself out there and it's your voice and you're speaking and you're trying to feel like I have a sense of credibility but I know there might be people who listen and they're like

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what does he tell you why is he saying this my own girlfriend said ex-girlfriend said some bullshit like that to me I hope she's doing well I hope she's doing well I do hope she's doing well I'm not going to bring out my anger but I'll say it takes courage so I admire you for doing this and I admire because you're doing it way better than me by the way even though I just gave this advice you're doing it you have such a great plan with all this like I know you've been pumping these out when we do a pod if it's a guest then we plan if not I'll kind of text my brother like pod

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tonight and we kind of just let it rip so you're doing it better than I am in terms of the podcast stuff and keep it up and I'm gonna go make sure I'm subscribed to the more amount you have to like how you're a guest and you're not whoa whoa whoa we'll talk about this after oh stop it now but anyways guys I hope you enjoyed listening to today's free therapy session with Brendan I was gonna call it an episode but it was really a therapy session and I hope people got some from it hopefully I don't sound like a

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I'm just a fucking idiot but yeah I guess just speaking from experience rather than

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trying to be a therapist I'd say a lot of it's just rooted in experience that way I

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don't get it crucified for sounding like I know what I'm talking about

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I'd say it's just all learning experiences yeah thank you for sharing

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today and I love you all so much and I'll see you next time on more of Mel