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Alright, welcome in to Vision Pros Live.

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With Jackson Callum, I'm your show host.

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We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs

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and guests, guest leaders who are building fantastic visions out there.

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Ultimately, I just want to go through some of the things

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that might help you with your vision.

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If you have a vision that you're pursuing,

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and if you'd like to apply to be on Vision Pros

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Hey, hey, hey, and welcome in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm your host, Jackson Callum, founder of First Class Business,

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co-founder of Able Health, CEO of Podbooker,

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and I'm excited to have Anna Schup joining us today.

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I'll bring her on in just a minute.

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She is the founder of Summer Solstice Coaching.

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Now, while she's young, she has an incredible amount of wisdom

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and knowledge under her belt,

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which is one of the greatest reasons why I'm excited to have her here.

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I know a lot of people in the market who don't have

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an authentic level of confidence that seem to just struggle

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with their own identity.

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whether that's you going into a role as a new profession,

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whether that's you as a parent trying to show up,

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whether that's you in your professional world or just, you know,

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she's a massive blessing.

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I've always said that when it comes to learning how to live life,

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I would rather focus on the hours that we've spent focused on our craft

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rather than how old somebody is, right?

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who's been a pilot for 40 years,

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but maybe they've only flown that plane a hundred hours

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versus somebody who has flown for 10,000 hours and is 22 years old, right?

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They have a lot more wisdom under their belt with that subject.

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Well, that's Anna when it comes to confidence.

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She just radiates confidence.

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I love her demeanor and her personality.

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So without further ado, let's bring on board and unlock a little bit of that.

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And if you can take away any notes about her confidence

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and what she puts down, it's going to be a tremendous blessing to your life.

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So Anna, welcome to the show.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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I'm so excited to be here.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Anna, how old are you?

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I am 26 years old, almost 27.

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26, 27.

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you've gone out on your own, you've established yourself for at least a couple of years.

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whether you're 40, 50, 60, sometimes people miss the boat completely.

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So my first question for you out the gate is,

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have you always been bold and confident?

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strong females in my life and strong parents who really taught me,

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really adapting to, you know, your morals and your values and keeping those close to your heart.

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There are times where, you know, that confidence didn't always shine, right?

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of how to be even more aligned to my passion and purpose and just be so bought into it

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I love it.

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and ultimately people who are visionaries, right?

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Somebody who has a vision about something that's not currently here, right?

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I want to hone in on what you said about strong females.

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Who are these strong females that were in your life?

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Who's built you up?

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just such strong females in my life.

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famine and everything like that.

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and everything, and it was just so beautiful.

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it's just amazing the amount of work that she's put in for our lives

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and isn't apologetic for it.

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I love that.

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with the right mentors in place.

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my five sisters and my mom, they were extremely important

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and guiding me at the same time.

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you know, and masculine role models.

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okay, which people are going to help me get to my next level?

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It's super important to have people in your life

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who can help you grow.

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What's your overall vision?

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what's your vision for those who are listening

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and those who you work with?

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about stress, and about physical ailments as well

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by using out-of-the-box solutions for both type bays

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and business owners.

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of telling us who we are, who we need to be,

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how we need to act, and everything like that

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and how we should become.

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It's really defying that stereotype

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and building a legacy that is so aligned to you

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I love it.

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fears of rejection, fears of not being enough,

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up-bringing, my parents are also perfect, right?

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help them, excuse me, unlock that confidence,

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that passion, that happiness that's already inside them.

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that they have the power to connect with themselves

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they're just like blips on a radar.

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into their passion and their purpose

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of self-confidence, right?

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And how do you actually partner and nurture those needs

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and emotions that are coming out?

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from the pain.

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we want to run the other direction.

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And I actually just posted about this on my Facebook page.

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I think it was yesterday, but kind of the theory behind the cows

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and buffaloes.

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but the storm cloud just keeps chasing them.

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if there's a storm cloud that hits,

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the buffalo actually runs through it.

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and strength and just believe that they can weather the storm

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and go through that pain.

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you're able to again, build that confidence within you.

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that little child in you wants or needs in that moment.

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that self-confidence is becoming so aware

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with yourself and what you're needing

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and then actually tackling it head on with no fear.

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That's awesome.

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A wonderful moment.

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My best friend has an inside joke

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and he calls me the Buffalo monster.

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So I'll take it now that I know the self-confidence.

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It goes hand in hand with that for sure.

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I'll take it.

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I tell people like be the buffalo.

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Be the buffalo.

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That's great.

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That's awesome.

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So other asks.

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So it sounds like, you know,

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this has a little bit to do with fight and flight.

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some of us have a tendency to be fighters.

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That's me.

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And my nature, I fight, you know,

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and other people have this tendency to,

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to be flight and nature.

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Both, both aspects can be strengths when honed appropriately.

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Both acts at both aspects.

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Both personalities can be weaknesses.

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If you're not careful and you go too far off the deep on one side or the other.

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So do you tend to gravitate towards coaching people who are more flight

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mindset or people who are struggling and dealing with maybe being over aggressive

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as fighters?

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I'm just curious.

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Oh, it's a great question.

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I'll also say there's two other components aside from fight and flight.

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There is.

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Yes.

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There is freeze and there is fun.

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So with freezing, people just kind of get stuck in fawning.

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It's you kind of creep back just a little bit.

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It's kind of being more of that like submissive or more subordinate.

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most of the time I gravitate with clients who have more of that freeze

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mentality.

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Again, with working with people who are overachievers or their type A's.

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A lot of times they hit those perfectionist tendencies of,

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I have to make the right decision.

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If I don't do this, what's going to happen?

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And again, they get so caught up in the what ifs and hows is that they're,

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they just kind of keep going around, around, around like in a hamster and a

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never ending wheel.

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And because of that, they don't act.

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And inaction is actually an action within itself.

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So I help a lot of clients, especially in that state,

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not that I don't help any of the other states because in the United States,

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not that I don't help any of the other states because in life we oscillate

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between those, right?

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But people who just kind of feel stuck, they're like,

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I don't really know what I'm doing.

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I don't really know what to do.

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I'm so scared and things like that.

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And really breaking down.

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Well, why is it that you're scared, right?

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And a lot of it, again, it comes back to that inner child development that I was

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talking about earlier is really breaking down.

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So what are some of those beliefs systems that you started to believe about

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yourself that aren't the truth?

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You know, do you think that you're not enough?

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Do you think that you have to perform to receive love?

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Do you not feel accepted?

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Do you not feel wanted?

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And then actually under one understanding how that's played out in your life.

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But then to how do we actually start healing those gaps and holes within

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your heart?

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So, yeah, again, like I said, most of the people are in that freeze category,

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but it really just, it spans based on the situation who you're interacting

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with, what environments, like a ton of different things.

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Absolutely.

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So if I want to make a quick note, if you aren't in it already,

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join Anna's Facebook group, the soothing stress collective to continue to stay in

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touch with her, you know, and also you get access to a free meditation guide

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amongst other help.

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So with that said, going back to these concepts, now you taught me about this

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fawning thing, by the way.

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I hadn't considered it and I probably would have had to use a dictionary.

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Had you not mentioned what fawning is, that's kind of how fight-centered I am.

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So freezing and fawning.

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And so describe for me a little bit further, what is somebody's demeanor like when they

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have a tendency to, do you say a tendency to fawn?

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Is that the proper use of the word?

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Yeah, yeah.

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With fawning, it's more as opposed to like running away, it's just being a little bit

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more reserved if you kind of think of like a deer, if you will, who's just like a little,

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kind of like a little baby and it kind of falls into that imposter syndrome, if you will,

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of like kind of falling backwards and just like kind of letting everyone else take storm,

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if you will.

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You mentioned they tend to become more subordinate.

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That's a word I'm very familiar with.

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And a concept as well is, you know, for those again who are looking for simpler, you know,

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it's akin to being willing to be submissive or even if you go to the extreme, a slave,

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you know, to a given scenario where you're willing to allow somebody else to control

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your outcomes for you.

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And, you know, we are all slaves to some degree in what we do in life.

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You know, and some people are so scared of that word itself that I want to talk about it,

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they might attack, but, you know, if I have a vice, for instance, in my life, something

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that I have to do, well, that's me being a slave, allowing that subject or that matter

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to control my mind and control my heart.

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And basically, I am being acted upon by whatever that is.

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So I've kind of strayed a little bit from the concept, but each one of these elements,

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they seem like things that you study out and you look for solutions to.

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Is that correct?

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Yes, exactly.

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Exactly.

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It's really understanding kind of why it is like why it is that the behavior is happening.

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Is it something that mom told you or something that dad told you to act like and then or

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maybe somebody else within your childhood because all of our experiences are built from our

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childhood, like we are like sponges when we're kids.

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And then from there, it's kind of undoing some of those unhealthy patterns and reframing

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your mindset into who is it that you actually are and what is it actually that, you know,

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we need to cultivate here.

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So, okay, so one of the questions we have for you on here is what makes you different than

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other coaches, but I actually want to stray from this a little bit.

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Yeah, a lot of people think they have to go to a therapist or a psychologist or a doctor

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or a psychologist or a psychotherapist.

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Right.

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There's so many different layers of coaching.

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If you will, there's lifestyle coaches, holistic, you know, the spectrum is quite broad.

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I'm going to say right now that I've worked with a lot of therapists and I've met a lot

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of them.

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Most of the ones that I met and that's a big reason why they are in their careers.

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They're not necessarily in a great position to heal or provide healing and guidance.

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And then there's what you're doing.

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I don't think you have your doctorate.

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I'm just guessing.

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I don't think that.

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I do not.

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I'm the good guess.

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So let's talk about the perhaps the pros and cons or what's different about what you do

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than each of these other types of coaches.

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Because I think it's helpful for those who are listening to know, you know, like what are

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your strengths and who should be gravitating towards you?

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What types of solutions do you create for people and what's going wrong in the market

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in terms of what are people running into that's not helping them that is commonly accepted

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as used for a helpful.

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So all over the map with that.

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Oh, I love this.

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I love this question.

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So I'll kind of tackle the first part in terms of, you know, therapists, you know, things

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like that.

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And I think I never say no to therapy.

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I think therapy is great.

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And I think it's beneficial and I totally condone it because that is for me, like I've been

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to therapy when I was in like a relationship or even like for myself, I've gotten therapy.

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It is very beneficial.

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I think the thing that could, where therapists can improve on or kind of where it goes astray

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is that, you know, kind of like what you were saying, people with very high level degrees

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of education.

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So whether it's, you know, their doctorate, their masters, whatever, they have a lot,

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a lot of logic, which is awesome, right?

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I mean, they give you, you know, all the self care guides and the self help strategies will

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tell you a lot about this.

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Did you think about it this way?

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And that's filled with a lot of logic, which is great for our adult brains, but it's

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missing a key component.

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It's missing the emotion.

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We need to feel some of those things.

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And like I said, because as we become adults, we start to delve into this logic, thinking

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all these belief systems where in actuality, we're abandoning our inner child.

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child. So how do we actually connect with that little boy or little girl who just wants to feel

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and just wants to feel loved? So I think that's the thing when it comes to therapy that was,

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for me, missing at least. And, you know, for other people as well, sometimes what therapy

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does as well, not only do they just give you the self-help and self-care strategies, all that kind

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of stuff. But one, they figure out, or I'm sorry, they don't figure out what's the best way for you.

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They just throw it at you and hope that you can apply it. But then also, the answer is medicine.

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Like, oh, well, you're depressed or oh, you're, you have anxiety, oh, you're stressed, here's some

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medicine. I'm like, well, that's not actually the answer either because that's such a band-aid solution

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to the problem. I kind of call it the whack-a-mole, if you will. People just like, okay, I'm going to

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handle this problem, boop, knock it with medicine, but then something else pops up. And that's

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something else could be digestion issues or digestive issues, hormones, nutrition, just

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like so many other things. Suicidal thoughts. It's like, okay, I'm depressed, but you're going to give

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me medication for it, but then it's going to possibly make me more suicidal. Like, you know,

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that's what I call the band-aid solution. So in terms of differentiating-

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When doctors admit that, you know, like that's something to be aware of. They're making their

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best guess off of a professional set of questions, but often without the necessary blood work tests,

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you know, and other assessments that are necessary because they know how much it costs.

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And most patients are prohibited in their ability to, you know, research their own health and

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well-being. So, you know, it's, I don't want to piss people off, but, you know, it's kind of akin

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to being a lab rat. And, you know, it's going to make some people unhappy. But, and I've done,

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I've been there. I've done that. I've tried that too. And so I've gone the medication route.

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I've talked to therapists in my life and not that, again, it's not that every medicine is bad,

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but how many times are you going to let yourself be the whack-a-mole, you know, be the mole in

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the process? Like, you know, the lab rat, so to speak. Like that was just, it just seems so dangerous

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and scary to me. To put your, to put your own emotional ability to master who you are, how you

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feel in the hands of a pill. Yeah. Yeah. That's scary. It is. It is so scary. It's so scary. And

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just, you know, all the damaging effects that it has long term is even scarier. Again, it's the whole

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concept of the fall, the fall, the fall. You go full circle with that real quick for the, for the

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trollers, the ones that are about to troll on this and say, why not give Anna a shot? Right?

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What's stopping you from at least having a conversation with somebody like Anna, you know,

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who's got a company? You can hate all you want, you know, on, on, on this concept. You get mad.

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You can, you can say, well, that does, that's not true for me. Or you get defensive for the people

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who need the medicine. Like I get it. I, we understand your side of the argument. But if

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you're so emotionally wound up about this, that you're not even willing to explore options, right?

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And talk about it. That might, if there's your sign, right? There's your sign that you should

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probably consider having a conversation with somebody new because not every therapist, not every

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coach, not every program, not every one on one session is equal. And I've also been to some

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therapists who do too much guidance, even though they're not supposed to, they're not supposed

483
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to guide you in psychology. They're supposed to ask questions to you. And so if you find one who's

484
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starting to kind of get antsy with you and control your life or control your decisions or tell you

485
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:24,200
what to do, in large part, from what I understand, they're going outside the balance of what they're

486
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,560
supposed to be doing. So that's again, you get a break free from those rules, Anna, with what you

487
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do in coaching. But what, what percentage of what you do is listening and hearing people out,

488
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:42,040
what percentage is guiding. And I know it's not going to be exact, but you know, in most cases,

489
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what does that look like? Yeah, I would say honestly, it's, it's actually split into three ways,

490
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right? So I would say about maybe 10% of it is that guiding that you're talking about, you know,

491
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the self help and the self care strategies, because putting those in place and maintaining those are

492
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important. The other part I would say, probably about 30% or so is asking and just listening. I

493
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,520
think it's really important to ask the right questions. And like what we were talking about

494
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with doctors, they ask the very surface level questions. Well, have you felt like this recently,

495
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:26,280
this, this, this, but how about like, well, have you felt like this all the time? What were you

496
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:32,440
motivated by as a child? What excited you as a child? Have you felt this way? Like those kind

497
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:40,600
of questions, again, really getting to the root cause. Yeah, yeah. But I would say 60% of it,

498
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honestly, is self discovery and breakthrough. I'll kind of ask some questions, but that allows the

499
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person to kind of probe and think like, Oh, I never thought like that before. Well, let me, let me

500
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think about it this way. And we actually go through an encounter where we actually tap into that inner

501
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child inside of you, like, okay, now that you're feeling all these, let's see what like your little

502
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kid is saying. And I just, I just kind of sit and watch. I mean, like, I kind of provide some guided

503
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questions. And they're very, very simple of like, so what is resonating for you? What's coming up

504
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for you? And they'll just excavate all of these things and emotions and memories that from when

505
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they were four where they felt this exact same way and then carrying them through to a place of

506
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peace and calm. And then afterwards when, you know, we come out of that little encounter, if you will,

507
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they're like, wow, like, I feel clear, I feel better, like, I don't feel as stressed or as anxious.

508
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And I actually had a person as well, I think this is both on the soothing stress collective and on

509
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my Facebook group, but I had a person, she was an entrepreneur. And when we first started, she's like,

510
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I literally, I am under so much stress and anxiety, like, I literally can't move my hands. She's like,

511
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I'm in so much pain, like I have a lot of flare ups, you know, like, eczema rashes, like, I have

512
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brain fog, just all this kind of stuff. And just in like 30 minutes, just asked her a couple questions,

513
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took her through what that inner child is needing and feeling. And after it, she was literally like

514
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crying. She's like, Oh, my gosh, like I have tears in my eyes. And I, this is the first time I've been

515
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able to move my hands this morning. And it's like those kinds of things where it's required no medicine,

516
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it didn't require extensive hours, no cost. It was just, Hey, talk to me a little bit. What are you

517
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doing? What's coming up for you? And exactly, that's all that we need in our lives. We're, as humans,

518
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,640
we're very complex, but we're very simple at the same time. We just want to be wanted and loved,

519
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:15,000
heard and look, and it's, it's not unusual for those of you who are listening to not understand yourself.

520
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:21,400
Yeah, I think that's so important to embrace and realize is that you're often too close to yourself

521
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to be able to figure out what's going on. And it's so important to be able to open up. I know

522
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there's a lot of masculine people who would hear this section, that you're talking about all this

523
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inner child stuff and be like, Oh, I mean, they're scared of it. And I'll be honest, like as a man,

524
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like it's kind of a scary subject. And I was thinking like, why is that, you know, I think a portion

525
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of that is because as men, we are commonly told to grow up. Yeah, your feelings, you know, that we

526
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are, you know, that we shouldn't be so childish, that we shouldn't be so immature, right? And

527
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there's a lot of truths, you know, to those statements, we've earned that as a gender,

528
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you know, it's not it's not an unfair statement. But if we put an unfair focus on it, right? Or if

529
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we if we accidentally ignore that inner child, like you talk about, or never learn to surface it,

530
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because we're just trying so hard to stay away from it, you know, and be that masculine provider,

531
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you know, or that person who has to has to be stoic in nature, I love stoicism, by the way,

532
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:31,480
but it's often taken to an extreme or utilized in the wrong way, where they got some of the concept,

533
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:37,400
they've learned how to how to not talk about their feelings, you know, but that's not necessarily

534
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healthy. So I'm excited for people to pick up with you on that one. I do want to shift gears a little

535
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bit into stress and entrepreneurship. So we're going to go to a totally different topic. This

536
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lady reminds me like, Whoa, you know, I'm thinking this person, they can't move their hands, and

537
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they're dealing with those types of things like that. What a tough career to choose, because

538
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:07,000
entrepreneurship is full of challenges. And the unknown is rampant in your life, you got to have

539
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like a buddy buddy feeling with the unknown, you know, in order to really survive entrepreneurship

540
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:19,560
sometimes. So let's talk about stress and entrepreneurship. Is it healthy? Is it not

541
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:28,280
healthy? What types of guidance do you have for entrepreneurs who are, you know, in battle with

542
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:36,840
stress, perhaps on a daily basis? Yeah, oh, good question. So I would say just kind of to set the

543
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stage with it, is that really being attuned to who you are, and like your passion and your purpose

544
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,840
in getting healing for any self limiting beliefs or fears that might be in your way,

545
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:57,240
that's important for everyone. But that's really, really, really, really, really important for

546
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:03,960
entrepreneurs. With the entrepreneurial mindset, it's, or entrepreneurial, but entrepreneurial

547
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:12,120
life, if you will, it's 80% mindset in 20% business strategy and tactics. Oftentimes,

548
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:21,800
entrepreneurs, I give it 95 and five on it. It is. And it's a lot of it is mindset. And oftentimes,

549
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when entrepreneurs first start, they flip the script, and they think they have to focus on all

550
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:32,120
these tactics and strategies. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, like, you really need to get bought

551
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into like, who you are, what, what do you have authority in? And how can you actually tell

552
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that story to the world? And you are going to have it is just the game of entrepreneurship is,

553
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,520
you know, it's not going to be a quick game, you know, you just have to be in it for the game.

554
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:59,800
But your, your business is just the vehicle for which you disciple or you communicate your

555
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,560
passion and purpose to others. Your business is just the vehicle in which you do it. And, you

556
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,680
know, with entrepreneurship, it's, you know, it does take time. And there are going to be trials

557
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and ups and downs. And there are going to be those naysayers who actually tell you, you are not

558
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:25,960
wanted, your ideas suck. And it's like, how do you actually kind of tune back in, become grounded

559
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:32,040
again, in your centeredness, like, when a stressful situation pops up for an entrepreneur. And again,

560
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,080
this is for anyone as well in this case. But when a stressful situation pops up, do you just

561
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white knuckle it and just keep, well, I'm going to just keep going, going, going, or do you take

562
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a pause and say, Hey, I'm noticing that I'm stressed. Let's see what my inner child needs.

563
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And then get some healing in there. And that'll bring you back down to a place of balance.

564
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,720
So that's really, really important.

565
00:36:55,720 --> 00:37:04,920
Right. It won't, oh, sorry, our connection's cutting a little bit. But I want to calibrate one

566
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,520
small thing that you said, we can agree to disagree on it for sure. But I think it will be

567
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:17,400
helpful for both of us and our audiences. And that's that time can be, time can be part of the

568
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:24,920
equation, right? Most people don't hit it big fast. And at the same time, depending on your

569
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,480
limiting beliefs, right, your ability to have that open mindset and the abundance mindset,

570
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,800
oh no, I've seen entrepreneurs hit it quite fast and hit it very well quite fast. Is that the,

571
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,280
you know, the rule or is it the exception to the rule? It's the exception to the rule. We're

572
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,920
talking about people who are extremely well balanced individuals that figured these formulas

573
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out faster than most. So that those exceptions do exist. But it is very helpful to realize that

574
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that most people, like if you're part of the rule group, time is going to be a factor if you have

575
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,800
limiting beliefs that are holding you back. And you don't want to be, you don't need to be ashamed

576
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:10,200
of that. It sounds like one of the things that you, you recommended to, in relation to dealing

577
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with stress is that we need to be open to more balance in our lives. Right. You can be, you can

578
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:23,640
try to sprint a marathon every day. Right. But that's not how you successfully prepare for

579
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,920
or run marathons. So let's talk about regaining balance as a business owner. What are some things

580
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:34,360
that entrepreneurs could be doing? Some simple things, right? That take two, five, 10 minutes

581
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to regain their balance and to feel less pressure from the stress. Yeah. Oh, such a great question.

582
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:48,200
So that's a great question. And again, a lot of this is going back to the basics. So, you know,

583
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,960
this isn't just for entrepreneurs and business owners, but it's also for, you know, just people

584
00:38:53,960 --> 00:39:00,120
in the ring of it when it comes to imbalance and stress, but it's constant, not constantly,

585
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:08,040
but it's periodically kind of assessing like, Hey, like in my day to day activities, what does my

586
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,960
balance look like in terms of work, play and rest? I kind of divide them into three categories.

587
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,040
Are you like burning the midnight oil and not giving yourself to like,

588
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:26,920
have some fun or maybe just rest and relax? Because the play and rest actually feed into your work.

589
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,600
It actually helps you grow and work even faster. Because what I used to do is just work, work,

590
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,400
work, work, work, thought that was a great solution, you know, before I became a business owner.

591
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But then my productivity was super low. I was super unhappy, all that kind of stuff.

592
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,960
So it's really assessing those things. One, kind of where you're at. But then two, giving time for

593
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yourself to think about what does work look like for me? What does play look like for me? What does

594
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rest look like for me? And making sure, especially as you're a business owner, that you're blocking

595
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:06,600
off that time within your calendar. So maybe playing for you looks like going to the gym.

596
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,560
Some people love going to the gym. Are you blocking off that time in your calendar?

597
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:18,200
Maybe rest looks like reading a mystery novel that you haven't read in ages and it just excites you.

598
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Block that time in your calendar throughout the day. And making sure that you can put yourself

599
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first and balance those areas so that you can show up for your career. You can show up for yourself.

600
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And you can also show up for your family and loved ones. Because if you're out of balance,

601
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you become irritable or unhappy, that spills around the people around you and your clients.

602
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Your clients actually know and even prospects, they know, like, ooh, she's like on edge or he's on

603
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,680
edge. Something's, something's kind of off. So, you know, just making sure that you're doing that.

604
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,960
And then of course, like affirming yourself each day, like this is something I do daily is just

605
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:08,280
really thinking about, okay, like, what happened today that I'm really grateful for? What are some

606
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:15,240
things that I want to affirm myself in? Like, I am loved. I am wanted. My business is going to grow

607
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:20,680
despite the hills and valleys, like just those kind of things and actually visualizing it,

608
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,640
whether it's a post-it note, whether you create a vision board, you know, whatever that may be,

609
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,720
so that you can see it and it's subconsciously programmed into your brain. So it's, again,

610
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:37,320
another way to kind of rewire those neurological pathways that we were talking about before.

611
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,720
And again, it kind of brings you back. It centers you into who you are and why you're doing what

612
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:50,680
you're doing as a business owner. I love that. Rest, play and gratitude. And I love that you

613
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:56,040
brought up that, you know, you have to figure out what play is to you. You know, you mentioned the

614
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gym. I freaking hate the gym. You know, I do my best, but that is not playtime to me. I play pool.

615
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:13,800
That makes me feel better. That's my game of choice now that I've had a back surgery. That also

616
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:20,280
changes the reason why I'm not a big fan. Or for rest, I go sit by the pool at my apartment complex,

617
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which is a really nice environment. There's a golf course right behind me. You know, I watch the

618
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sunset and I get done the easier things for work, like the communication that I love in those moments.

619
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There are things that we love to do in our business. There's things that we don't love to do.

620
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:47,320
Right. And so some of those can actually fuel us, depending on, again, recognizing what you do

621
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:53,880
and don't like about what you do. So you mentioned the confidence. Well, you mentioned specifically

622
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that with some entrepreneurs, you can tell, right? If they're stressed, you know, if they're on edge

623
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:08,440
or whatever. It is pretty easy to see, especially when I have a LinkedIn automation tool. Right.

624
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:14,440
So I got my LinkedIn automation messages going out and I'm contacting leaders, you know, and one of

625
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,280
the things that I'm using right now is a line that says, can I get your opinion as a leader?

626
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:25,480
You know, very simple question and you can't tell it's automated. Most people probably presume it is

627
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:31,640
because almost everything on LinkedIn is automated. But what is so ironic to me is how many of these

628
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:39,240
holistic wellness coaches and, you know, or professional executive leaders

629
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:46,280
react in such a negative way that's not a very good reflection of what they portray themselves

630
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,880
as being in the market. You know, they dive into this super negative tone right away without giving

631
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:59,480
it a chance. And, you know, I understand why they do it. But that's not how, that's not how

632
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:07,000
A-list leaders respond or react. You know, if we want to be that A-list leader, then we've got to

633
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be more in control of our emotions and not try to, you know, if I get a negative message on LinkedIn,

634
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I ignore it. I don't have time for it. You know, I don't want to make time for it. So it is, it is

635
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telling. It's funny to see. So shifting gears to those who you can't tell with, right? There are

636
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:31,080
lots of entrepreneurs I found have an extreme confidence about themselves built on great virtues.

637
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And at the same time, have chaos going on in their life. They have, they're really struggling.

638
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You know, they have some serious problems, whether it's because COVID and what happened

639
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,360
with that, and they're still trying to recover from it. Or they are, you know, worried about the

640
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:56,200
banks right now, what's going on with that or affected, you know, by loan rates, you know,

641
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or whatever else it is that could, you know, they have employees who are quiet quitting.

642
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:07,320
There's a lot of factors that could be going on. It's my alarm telling me we're done. So

643
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:15,000
but real quick on that note, what advice do you have for the confident entrepreneur who's

644
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,880
quietly dealing with, with bigger problems? Why should they come and talk to you?

645
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:29,080
Oh, yeah, that's a good question. I think with that, it's again, just really getting to the root

646
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:38,360
of it. Because what happens is, despite all these external things that happen, that shouldn't affect

647
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:45,960
our internal locus of control. What happens in the outside, they're just circumstances, right?

648
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,560
And you have to think about actually break it down to what are the thoughts that I'm thinking?

649
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:57,160
What are the emotions that I'm feeling? And as a result, what are the words and actions? And

650
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:03,320
that's a lot of the work that I do with my clients is breaking down some of those things, and especially

651
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:10,680
entrepreneurs as well, because we have these excuses like, Oh, well, the economy, all of this,

652
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:16,120
all of that. And then you start getting worried, which brings you to a triggered state. And when

653
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:22,920
your brain is in a triggered state, you can't make decisions. It's very, very hard to make decisions.

654
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:30,360
So it's, okay, how do we actually come back and remove that trigger, if you will, so that you

655
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,080
can make decisions going forward? And I know it's something I've dealt with personally, like,

656
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,440
I was doing my taxes last week, and I started getting nervous about my finances. I was like,

657
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Oh, my gosh, like, Oh, I'm doing this. Oh, what does this bank look like? And I started getting

658
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,440
worried, worried, negative thoughts spiraling. And I was like, this isn't going to be effective

659
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:58,760
for myself and my clients. So let's just pause. Let's go back to my, let's kind of go back and

660
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,640
rethink what I need to do. Because I thought, Oh, do I need to get like a full time job? Like,

661
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,680
do I need to get more part time jobs? Like, what should I do? But then when I kind of

662
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:14,760
recentered myself, asked the questions that I usually ask my clients, take myself through an

663
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:21,080
inner child encounter, all my little girl needed to hear is that everything's going to be okay. And

664
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that the Lord is going to present opportunities that are going to be forthcoming. And then once

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I kind of cleared that chaos, if you will, that chaos that was just built in my own brain, I was

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like, Okay, I know what I'm going to do next. I'm going to, you know, do this decision, do this

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decision, do this decision. So again, it's kind of this chaos. It's only what we make of it. We

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can choose to fall into the chaos, or we can choose to think differently and resiliently.

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Well said, and vision pros out there listening, this was an absolute honor and blast. I learned

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so much in this myself. And I'm grateful for you. As a vision pro, remember that if your vision

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is also to be built, right, if you have not laid your first brick, or you're in the process of

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building that first house, if you will, where you have a refuge, it is perfectly fine to be part-time

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on the vision and make sure that you are building a sustainable lifestyle along with it. Don't be

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afraid to do that. And you're a fantastic representation of building visions the right way.

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I look forward to seeing your vision unfold over the next couple of decades as well. And thank you

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so much for being here. Vision pros connect with Anna any way that you've seen us post.

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Dive into her Facebook group. Feel free to say hi. And we will see you on the next show. Everybody

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have a fantastic day. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Thank you for being here today. I'm

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really happy that you tuned into Vision Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions

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as these episodes continue to move forward. We optimize them as the months go by. This is going

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to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well. We want to invite people to

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participate in the show. And thank you for for getting to know us. Thank you.