Yes, man. We are alive. Alive and well on Vision
Pros Live with James Lang of Overlang .com. He's
an AI expert. I'll call him that. An AI expert
that really caught my attention because he's
paying attention to some of the dynamics that
business owners have to be aware of. we're kind
of putting our head in the sand and ignoring.
And he did it in such a gentle way that I was
like, wow, I really can't wait to learn more.
And so we've already had one episode and we decided
to come back today to talk about AI consultants
and how they're everywhere right now. I mean,
everybody who uses AI thinks they're a consultant,
kind of like iPhone people thinking they're photographers.
So at the same time though, why then are so many
companies failing with AI? why is AI failing
to make a dynamic difference in each of your
brands or our brands? I'll include myself in
there. There's areas where we fail and there's
areas where we succeed. So that's the underlying
message that we're going to be talking about
today. But James, welcome back to the show, man.
Yeah, thank you for having me a second time.
And if I'm considered an expert in AI, we're
in real trouble because there are much smarter
people than me out there. But just like everyone
else, I don't think there is such a thing as
an expert in AI, to be honest with you. I feel
like we're all trying to drink from a fire hose
and try to figure out what's happening. And then
right as you think you've figured out all the
stuff, then all the stuff changes. So it's such
an exciting place to be because it's... one of
my favorite words just general life thing right
is strive like that's my favorite word and the
reason i love strive is because it's not a destination
it's a process it's a thing that you do so if
you strive to be better you strive to achieve
goals you strive to be a better person you strive
to build out your network of both personal and
professional relationships and you strive to
be a better partner a better friend a better
leader and So it just applies to everything.
And so we're actually, I'll let you in on a little
secret here. So we're about to rebrand all of
our AI tools as Strive OS. So basically all of
our tools and all of our systems, when we work
with these different nonprofits and for -profits,
it'll be powered by Strive OS. Oh, you heard
it here first, Vision Pros. Oh, dude, that's
so exciting. And I love that. I'm a Word guy.
I'm a small word guy, by the way. I don't do
the dictionary thing, but there's so much meaning
to that that empowers me because you think I
don't have a disdain for it, but I have a resistance
and like a repulsive instinct towards the whole
grind and hustle cultures that exist. I don't
think that's helping people win the way people
actually want and are meant to be able to win.
Strive, when used in that context that you just
talked about, you're talking about like a holistic
feeling and it reminds me of the word thrive
as well. And so there's some survival aspect
to it as well. Like those two words we juxtaposition,
right? There's survive and there's thrive. And
in either one of those occasions, one can be
leveraging the verb of strive, but you're not
likely going to thrive. If you don't exercise
the sense of, of strive. So thank you. I'm going
to be playing with that more and more as the
days go on. Yeah. I'll tell you, you know, where
I get it from this girl I was dating. She was
really into yoga, which worked out great for
me because I'm fat and lazy and I don't do stuff
like that. So I learned a lot. Right. And anyways,
what she said that really hit me was, well, yoga
is something that you do. And when you're doing
it, you're doing it right. Like it's not like
there's one way to do it. There's not like there's
a destination of like, this is what you're supposed
to look like. It's the process. Yoga is the process
of doing all these things and slowly getting
better. And I thought, wow, that's like kind
of a little bit of a mind melter there of like
the perspective of it's not about where you're
going. It's about the thing of the doing. The
doing is the goal. That's really empowering.
Cause yeah, as soon as you said that, I was like,
Oh no, I can see on Instagram exactly what that
pose is supposed to look like. But that's just
the ego talking. Right. The reality of our bodies
is what you're aiming for. Right. Yeah. Yeah,
exactly. That's super cool. Okay. So for those
of you who are claiming your AI consultants,
again, you're making yourselves look bad for
the smarter market out there just so you know,
you know, and you might be able to, you might
be able to. hoodwink certain people into believing
you and hiring you based on that. But I'm a big
fan of the quote by Matt Cutts as well, or rather
the teaching. Matt Cutts was the search director
for Google. He's one of the Y Combinator founders
or venture capitalists. And he said the true
sign of an expert is somebody who is willing
to go get the answer, not somebody who knows
it all. We had that conversation a little bit
last time. I cannot bring that statement enough,
not for my people, not for myself, not for those
I work with and beyond. And so it's not about
being the guru or being the consultant that thinks
they have it all together as much as it is just
continuing to study and be willing to admit that
you don't know everything and then go and find
what those answers look like from people who
may have a different perspective or more insights
than we do. So let's head on in the question.
Why, James, are so many companies failing with
AI? And we'll cover later too, my friends. James
will talk about from his perspective. I'll talk
about from my perspective. What are some of the
most important things you can do to implement
AI and ways that you can use it to start creating
more success for yourself? So why are they failing,
James? Well, you know, there's so much to unpack
there and there's so many things I'd love to
hit on from what you said before the question,
but I'll forget the question if I do that. So
I want to make sure I stay focused on this. You
bring up a really good point. There's a ton of
failure right now in the AI space. And that's
okay. It's creative destruction. It's a process
of building, evolving. And so there's that one
category of companies that are growing really
rapidly, trying new things, and sometimes those
new things don't work. And that's really healthy.
That's good. But what's not good is the other
type of failure that we're seeing. And it's only
going to get worse, not better. And I think investors
need to know about this. Business owners need
to know about it. These butthole AI consultants
who were experts on Bitcoin last week and real
estate the month before that, you know, all these
people out there riding the AI hype train in
whatever capacity. It's dangerous right now for
businesses because here's what's going on. So
you find a tool that you like, a resource, a
platform. That's AI, AI, AI. They use the term
all over the place because that's what sells
right now. Well, you invest time into implementing,
into training your team, into ingesting all of
your data into that platform. All of that stuff
you're doing, you're doing it with a long view
of the future. You're saying, okay, I'm going
to invest all this time and energy. I'm going
to be able to amortize it out over 10, 20 years,
right? The problem is that company that you're
sending all this data to, that system that you're
trusting, it's very unlikely that it'll be around
in 10, 15, 20 years, let alone 10, 12, 15 months.
Because the problem is compute has never been
more expensive. It used to be that Moore's law
said, well, technology gets twice as good and
way cheaper. And every cycle is a great thing
that happens. The problem with AI. is we're not
talking about a device you hold in your hand,
like laptops, that applies to. But when you're
talking about a cloud solution, a cloud infrastructure,
and then you're talking about AI on top of that,
and then you're talking about the power demands.
And so you have this limited amount of power
that we have as a country to get all the systems
running. You have a limited amount of real estate.
The big guys, Google, AWS, Microsoft, these huge
landowners in the space of compute, they only
have so much space and they're growing as fast
as they can. That's why OpenAI had to go and
build their own things. And so suddenly OpenAI
is so focused on how do we become experts in
fast construction execution development? They
have to or else they won't survive because the
existing infrastructure doesn't work. It just
doesn't meet the demand. But the thing that's
really making this a unique thing is as soon
as they make the real estate, the space to be
able to, the capacity to be able to do these
things, the whole AI system changes. And the
changes aren't always about efficiency. In fact,
they're often about trying to create new capability.
And so the problem is you have... this huge innovation
happening in the industry, which is wonderful.
But when you combine that with the amount of
innovation happening on the user end, how many
different ways have you figured out how to use
all these AI tools? So the demand is not linear.
It's just, it's extremely explosive. Yeah, so
the more people, yeah, the more people think
about how to use the tool and the more capacity
there is, the more demand and the more compute
is being consumed. And in different ways, it's
hard to forecast that. So it's like when nano
banana came out, right? Everybody, like as soon
as you find out from your AI expert that that's
the thing, then everybody starts to virally follow
it and consume that resource. That's huge. I
want to pull this back though. One, I love the
direction you're going again. That's why I wanted
you on here is because you bring insights that
nobody's talking about in the AI world. And yes,
there are companies, bigger companies, huge companies
that are going to fail miserably. And if your
entire infrastructure for your business is built
on that structure and you don't have, a redundancy
in place, then that's a major, major disruption
for your potential revenues. And so there's some
major dangers there. But I wanted to talk more
about, for now, why are so many companies failing
with AI? Meaning smaller companies. What is it
they're doing that they're not implementing right?
I'm going to show a resource that we've created.
I'm going to drop it in the chat for you guys.
We created this free resource. I call it the
power asset generator. And so everybody gets
access to this, getting free access to be able
to go in. You can build your own. Basically,
it's like vibe coding. You can build your own
code resource, widget, calculator, quiz using
this tool. And it actually tell you what tool
to build for your audience. So we're going to
take a look at that. But I'm going to reveal
the behind the scenes secret as to why. this
will also lead your company to potentially fail.
And so I'm going to destroy the secret right
here. And that's, you come in here, you personalize
your brand and your assets. And now StreamYard's
blocking me. Awesome. Let me refresh that so
that we can see it. And I'm going to go to the
very end of the quiz here. And it tells me, okay,
in this case, with the answers I put in, it would
be good to build a quiz or an assessment for
my audience. Over here on the right -hand side,
I think most people are going to ignore this
to their own demise. And that is... If you want
your tools to win, if you want to be able to
use things like AI to maximize your brand, you
got to have processes. What are processes, procedures,
resources, and templates? You got to have teams
and your teams need training and scripts. You've
got to have marketing. Marketing needs content
strategy, content creation, emails, and SMS.
And you also need systems. You need funnels,
pipelines, and automations. All of those dynamics,
they're not as simple as like, oh, well, I just
need to build one funnel. No, you need. Dozens
of funnels. There's so much complexity that goes
into building a brand that's sustainable. But
I think one of the greatest challenges that entrepreneurs
are facing right now is AI is like the ultimate
yes man. It will make you feel like what you
are asking for is completely the legitimate and
completely possible to build out. And it does
not suffer a single consequence. Meanwhile, you
will. Don't blame me in four years. So James,
what else? What else is causing companies to
fail with their AI implementation right now?
Yeah, you really got close to the answer that
I like to give, which is, you know, it's people,
process, and culture. How did your business get
to this point? If you can't answer that, you're
not ready to integrate AI into your systems because
AI needs to support and grow what got you here.
If you're looking at AI as a replacement for
your team, You don't need AI. It's not there
yet. And it never will be, to be honest with
you, because you need to build sustainable businesses,
you know, specifically companies that are able
to grow and systemize and adapt. James, you're
scaring all the solopreneurs, the entrepreneurs
off. And I'm like, no, guys, open your mind.
You don't have to do this alone. It's not smart
to do business alone. It's really not. It's very
dangerous and it can hurt your life. I've been
there. Don't do it. James, go ahead. Well, you
can go fast alone or go further together, right?
But the thing, every business owner I talk to,
every single one, whether it's the ice cream
shop down the street or the big guy out there
doing events. sass software i mean all these
different companies and everything in between
they all have stories of well we saw this this
this you know consultant told us or this ai person
guru told us that you know we could use this
tool to do this and we didn't really need a whole
lot of implementation and so they sold us on
it and we let it loose and it just destroyed
things so what happens is when you let ai in
the door and you do it poorly you do two things
one You screw over your customer. You're going
to hurt the user experience. You're going to
hurt delivery timeframes and timetables. But
two, you're terrifying your top performers because
everyone's reading constantly, I'm going to get
replaced by AI. I'm going to lose my job, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah. When you have a poor
AI rollout, you are waving a huge flag in front
of everyone saying, hey, we're using AI. And
that should never be the focus of the conversation
with your team. The conversation should be about
how do we learn about you? How do we understand
what you do, what you build, how you build? And
then how do we use AI to make you 10 times more
valuable to our company? So that not only do
we not want to get rid of you, but we want five
more people just like you because it's irresistible
value, right? So, so many companies are just
doing it backwards. They're saying AI is a solution.
So I'm going to talk about AI. I'm going to think
about AI. I'm going to roll out AI. Stop. Breathe.
99 % of applications AI does not belong, especially
if you're looking at it as a sole solution to
whatever thing you're looking at. I love that
you're putting not just people, but team members
first in that process. So we're going to come
right back. We're going to dive in a little bit
further and we're going to talk again more about
not just why and how the companies are failing,
but we're going to talk about some secrets about
how you can really make success come together
for you. I will be right back. Part of the reason
why I'm taking this break is because I'm. I've
got a cold right now, guys. And so I've got to
wipe my nose. I don't want to do that publicly.
All right. Welcome in to Vision Pros Live with
Jackson Callum. I'm your show host. We'll be
doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs
and guest leaders who are building fantastic
visions out there. What's up, everybody? Welcome
to Vision Pros Live. I'm your show host, Jackson
Callum, founder and CEO of First Class Business.
And James Ling is the man. I've got him here.
He's got Overling .com. He's going to be rebranding
to Strive .os. He revealed that here first. I'm
excited about that. And he understands, he really
opened my eyes to the fact that so many companies
are building infrastructures on AI companies
that... are massives and behemoths and giants.
But imagine putting hundreds of thousands of
dollars, if not millions, into that infrastructure
and then that company going bankrupt. What do
you do from there? And so he talked to me about
building your own AI infrastructures in -house,
if you will. I'm probably misquoting, but that's
the layman coming out in me. And making sure
that you bulletproof your plans when it comes
to AI. But he also talks about preparing yourself
well before doing so. And I really appreciate
his spirit of prequalification. I appreciate
his knowledge and understanding that teams are
very important for building these components
out as well. And just as Grace in general, I'm
excited to call him a friend. So I'm going to
bring James on in just a minute. Again, we're
going to talk more about what are some of the
things that you can do with AI that maybe we're
not doing currently? And what are some of the
limitations, the things that maybe... people
are trying to do, but you might actually be on
a hamster wheel without realizing it. We'll see
if we can expose that to get you better success.
And of course, we want your comments as well.
If you've got ideas that you'd like to share,
if you've got perspective on this, by all means,
come and join me on the show. And if you've got
questions, drop those as well, because we'll
either have the answer. or more than likely will
be the type of expert who's willing to go get
the answer we are not genies in a bottle but
we are happy to to figure out solutions for those
that we serve so james welcome back to vision
pros and uh yeah let's dive in i'm glad i made
the friends list man this just made my day you
know it brother well you mean you're making the
true genuine friends list now i'm trying to get
i'm trying to be less loose with words like that
um it'll be more articulate more intentional
with who's on the inner circle and and it really
you're the virtues that you live by and the characteristics
that you showcase. I'm like, I'm just glad I
found you. I'll just, I'll just bromance you
for a minute. Well, thank you. You're making
my day. No, I'm all for it. I love the approach
that you take to just having genuine curiosity.
And, you know, it's one thing to be curious,
but to be able to qualify the answers and give
room for people to provide answers while still
qualifying and still, you know, adding context,
it's an art form and you're really great at it.
Well, thank you, brother. I'm going to give a
shout out to somebody actually randomly just
reminding me of it with this. And this is somebody
that all of you would want to meet. I had him
on the show about a year ago, and that's how
much impact he had. I still remember him. His
name is Marty Funk. I can't remember how to pronounce
his last name, but F -A -H -N -K -E. And Marty
made a big impact on me because I asked him if
I could send him a Facebook friend request. And
he thought about it. And he goes, not until we
break bread. And I was like, oh, cool. Like I've
never seen somebody be that intentional with
their Facebook friend request. I was like, that
is super. He's a, he's a. A professional in mergers
and acquisitions and helping businesses merge
and sell. And he's somebody that we plan on incorporating
into first class business long term. But yeah,
Marty, stand up guy as well. And your thought
process on the whole friend thing and just the
correlation. I was like, OK, we can we can reveal
other secrets in life, too, outside of AI. But
let's go back to AI now. So earlier you talked
to me about maybe discussing. Some of the impractical
applications or the things people are trying
with AI that just aren't working. We talked a
little bit about how dangerous it is and what
a stupid thing it is to see AI as a replacement
of human beings and scaring your workforce, scaring
away your potential best people because they
know that, wow, you have them on the chopping
block. Not a good strategy. What else? What else
is being done with AI that... Probably shouldn't.
Or what are some things that people are trying
to anticipate waiting for that probably not going
to happen? Gosh, there's so much I want to share
and I'm trying to like dance between the NBAs
right now. But let me see if I can weave my way
through. So the challenge that I'm seeing in
the implementation side. Now, remember, I'm not
an expert on building AI. That is my business
partner, Jeff. He is an absolute wizard. I just
do the Steve Jobs things. I lock him in a room,
you know, I give him hot pockets every couple
hours. And then eventually these solutions come
together. And then I let him out and tell him
why it doesn't work the way that we need for
the average person. And then he goes back in
the room, makes it look better. And, you know,
it's just a whole process, right? You need the
understanding. Yeah, well. you know i i always
joke with him like when he's really outgoing
and he he's just a really good dude all the way
through but every once in a while you know the
nerd uh stereotype you know sometimes people
are kind of withdrawn or they're kind of like
into their work and then they'll be super outgoing
all of a sudden it's like oh he just ripped the
pocket protector off he's uh he's coming out
so i love it you know we have such a good working
dynamic uh on our team and we actually just added
uh josh silver to our team there's another amazing
individual um Although he's kind of a dick cause
he took my old job when I left the other company,
my previous company. So, you know, it's, it's
cool though. You know, we, we've, we've mended
fences and he's back helping us. But yeah, I
mean, you know, you were here on something a
moment ago and it's your friends who led into
that circle. And so I like the term chosen family.
I'm a big believer in that because just because
we're related by blood, you know, doesn't mean
that you're my people. You're, you're just somebody
that, You definitely get, I'll answer the phone.
Yeah. That's what that gives you. But it doesn't
mean that like you're my, and so chosen family
can be your, your blood, but it can also, and
more often is those people that have a huge impact.
So here's the thing, people, the problem with
AI right now is people are treating it like Google.
So they go to it, chat GPT. Gemini, choose your
flavor of AI. Grok is my personal favorite, but
you go and you ask questions and it's like you're
talking to Google and people need to shift to
talking to it like a person. Because the same
strategies you use to get the best out of your
team, to get the best out of your partners, to
get the best out of the mentors that you have.
Use those strategies with AI. And I touched on
this last time we spoke. It's that three -part
prompt. You're telling AI, what are you? You're
an expert on this with 20 years of experience,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you're
telling it what you need. I need a blog article
that talks about these things. And then you're
telling it what the outcome looks like. So you're
telling it, this article needs to be 500 words.
It needs to have the same tone and style as this
example content. And it needs to go into other
areas and link out to these sources and blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, right? The more specificity
you can give, it's the same thing with AI just
in general. How do we remove fear and anxiety,
uncertainty? How do we remove those things? Because
if you do those things - I'm going to play Amos'
advocate a little bit. And feel free to battle
me on this, James. I will. Because I don't like
telling other human beings what they are. And
so that's actually something I've decided like
good or bad, fail or ugly. I'm going to continue
to shelve that piece of advice. Not that I don't
use it in certain circumstances, but I try to
respect the AI enough to allow it to play a little
bit more freely. And I love the concept of what
you're talking about. It's because I want it
to be able to use its intelligence in a way that's
a bit more human. So I remember having training
discussions with chat GPT back when I purchased
premium and starting to teach it like, look,
I want you to be able to think outside the box.
I don't want you to feel boxed in. These are
the things that we're working on. This is that.
So I gave it enough of a concept to get an idea
of creating its own identity, if you will. But
this year, this past year, and I would say October,
I think chat GPT. has borderline personality
disorder um i think they've ruined it um and
it it pisses me off now um like like to the nth
degree it's lost so much of what it had earlier
in the year Um, and, and so I've started to play
more with Jim and I, I'm starting to cheat on
chat GPT a little bit. I'm getting a new best
friend. Um, you know, it's like, it's, it's tough
and I shouldn't ignore grok, you know, I need
to get that in there too. Um, but I'm hoping
that the, the borderline personality disorder
thing will kind of like settle and it will remember
the things that I taught it, but it was, it was
such a discouraging experience to lose the depth
that it had gained. Um, I don't know if other
people are experiencing this, but if you are,
comment, please. Let me know if you actually
play or if we're nuts because we play with ChatGPT
or AI too much. But James, what is your thought
on that? Is it too bold and dangerous of a decision
of me to leave it more open -ended? Or does that
make sense when I still give it the context of,
hey, parameters in some nature? The thing I love
about the state of the AI landscape right now,
is that you're free to be wrong and so right
so you you might have a view that's different
from mine and you might get better results because
it fits better into your workflow so you're exactly
right in the sense that just like with people
you you don't want to box them in and tell them
what they are but i use different strategies
for that i use strategies later in the process
for that so like for example when i'm having
it work on something i'll give it some sort of
final product let's say i'm having you know a
whole discussion about how to create a better
workflow for a team that has like a repetitive
process or there's a project that you know we
end up having to do very similar projects over
and over again so how do we create a workflow
that the team can just follow right and so what
i'll do is after i'm done i think i have like
a final like first draft is how i would call
it uh then i'll say okay, now interview me, ask
me 10 questions around this document to understand
the context of how we're going to use it. And
then what I ask it to do after that is give me
your perspective. So now it's asked me five or
10 questions. We've had really in -depth answers.
And I use the voice option for this because it's
just very natural and easy. Now it has a whole
body of information that I didn't even think
about because it didn't occur to me until it
asked the questions. And then now it builds off
of those things. and now it goes out into the
ether so to speak and comes back with fresh perspectives
so there's ways to do things with ai that you
know google is something where you go and you
type a question and it gives you answers ai is
something where you if you set it up correctly
you can have a conversation with a thought partner
that is safe that is not going to go out there
and tell all your friends about, you know, what
you talked about and, you know, call you stupid
unless it's grok and you put it on unhinged mode
and it'll calls me all sorts of names. But, uh,
the, the, the value though is it's a safe place
to explore and learn and gain fresh perspective.
Um, so yeah, I mean, I'll give a tangible, vulnerable
example on that. Um, I had a relationship last
year that said that, I basically knew nothing
about feminine behaviors. And that my, I don't
remember if this is my inner child or not, but
I basically took what they said. And I went to
chat GPT and I was like, Hey, I was raised by
five older sisters and my mom, you know? So like
my ego was like, nah, whatever. You know, like,
I know, I know this stuff. And I had to put together
a little, I said, put together a quiz for me
and a self -assessment. to understand, like to
help me see how well I understand, how well I
step into masculinity and how well I understand
femininity. Right. So it gave me this assessment
back, brother, I got three questions into that
thing and I was bawling my eyes out. Wow. Oh,
it hit me so hard. I was like, Whoa, I am so
lost on this. And I was bawling my eyes out in
appreciation, too, that like, whoa, this is going
to dramatically change the way that I see these
types of relationships. And so I finished that
quiz. And is it is it a doctor? No. Is it my
therapist? No, I have a therapist, too. Is it
my coach? No, I have a coach to go Fletcher Allinson.
And so it's not a replacement. It's a supplement
and it's a bonus. It's something that can help
me guide. And I take the same information and
I go back to my experts and I'm like, OK, what
do you think? And when I need it, I don't. I
don't live in a world where I second guess myself.
I live in a world where I develop myself, but
yes, AI has been a tremendous help in that, in
that form and fashion of, of development. And
it's because I treat it with like a conversation.
So I think you're one, you're spot on in terms
of how much does it help me? Yeah. That's helped
me an absolute ton, not just in business, but
also my personal relationships. Well, you're
so not alone on this. So again jumping between
we're kind of navigating around the ndas here
but what how let me see how i'll say this so
i had an amazing conversation with one of the
most in demand uh psychotherapists out there
uh you know besides the one that has to deal
with me and i've gone through like three they
keep quitting anyways uh but the ones that uh
this dude is like top of his game but it's because
he was outside of the mainstream so for so long
psychology has gone down this rabbit hole of
you know medicaid and uh you know go through
the protocols because if you don't go through
the protocols you're putting yourself in a position
where you'd be sued if something happens unexpectedly
or you know whatever it's like well if they follow
the protocols you know but if you follow the
protocols they can't really come after you because
it's like oh no those were approved practices
whatever the case may be anyways so we're on
this call and he's he's talking about um I call
his wife waffles because the first time that
we hopped on zoom in the background, he's like,
hold on, my wife's making waffles. And I'm like,
all right, well, let's watch. Right. So, uh,
anyways, um, but he's such an amazing, genuine
person. And he was talking about, um, he had
this, this fight with waffles and, um, you know,
it was like this really knocked out drag down
fight. And they've been married for like 40 years.
Right. I mean, it's like, nobody's going anywhere
in this situation. My dad once explained marriage
to me as marriage is an agreement that you're
not going anywhere. So it gives you more room
to push and have a more authentic relationship
versus in the dating world, you don't know where
they're going. I told him, I think marriage is
where you get in line to give up half your shit
one day. But we have different perspectives.
But the thing is, he goes, I had this fight and
I wasn't so arrogant as to assume I was right
about everything. But I went to my little friend
chat GPT and I shared with it just I hit the
microphone. I just emptied my mind. I just said,
you know, here's what's going on. He said what
it came back with was so impactful and thoughtful
and perspective driven and added context to things
and and validated some things while pushing back
against others. And he was just blown away. He's
like, I could have gone to therapy for. weeks
and months and not gotten to the same place I
did in five minutes, just, just letting my little
friend on the internet know, you know, what's
going on. And he goes, I was just, I was bawling
within five minutes. I was just falling because
it was so authentic in the sense that it wasn't
judgmental. It was solution oriented, but educational
at the same time and challenging at the same
time. It's so hard to get that right. And he
said one other thing that, that I keep thinking
about now it's kind of stuck in my head. He goes,
the other thing is AI is not selfish. Like when
you come to somebody, a friend with a problem,
a lot of times in that conversation, they'll
say, Oh yeah, I totally get, you know, I was
dealing with something like that last week and
you know, the conversation becomes about them,
but what up natural, but yeah, it's huge. You
know, I'm going to one up that. Just kidding.
Just kidding, but not. No, no, I'm going to add
to it. This is adding a bonus to it. So it's
something that I make the mistake of often with
AI. I find that when I rush my AI solutions,
I get worse results or I get the results I don't
want. Just like if I rush a human being. And
so oftentimes when I'm performing my best with
my AI executive assistant, if you will. I'll
type out what it is that I'm looking for and
what it is I want to accomplish. And then at
the end, if I forget this, I fail. So what I
say is, what questions do you have for me about
this? Yes. I almost always remember to ask that
before ending my prompt. And it changes AI's
capacity because when I don't ask the question,
it tries to be a magician. And it tries to presume
that it knows what to do. But if I just take
that time to let it ask the right questions first,
then it unveils perspectives that I would have
never thought of before. And so what I heard
you say earlier about treating it like a human
being, I think the key is that golden rule that
we oftentimes forget is do on others as we wish
they would do on us, right? And that's with AI.
If we want to become great, With this tool and
with this resource, then the more leadership
books we read, the more personal development
that we undergo, the more we're working on our
character, our virtue, our integrity, our ability
to be the best that we can be. That type of development
is directly going to improve the results that
we have with using this tool. Thoughts on that,
James? Did I get that right? I think you're really
close. What I would add is, again, when you're
talking with a person on your team and you're
trying to get the most out of them, and this
is the same thing. I know we talked offline a
moment ago, but we were talking about group dynamics,
right? And how do you get a group of people who
are very intelligent in their space? to acknowledge
that they might not be as intelligent in someone
else's space. And so you bring together really
brilliant people. I like to say my goal in life,
in work, if I can be the dumbest person in the
room and bring all these smart people together
and just ask the dumb questions of the group,
I've done my job. Because that's what connecting
and directing is about. It's not about standing
up and being the one that knows the most. It's
not about standing up and telling everyone what
they need to do. It's asking the right questions.
And so I think you're exactly right. At the end,
if you're not asking those questions of what
do you need to know? But again, it goes back
to fear, anxiety, uncertainty. If we can minimize
those things just for AI, just like humans, we're
going to get better outcomes because AI is in
the mold and the vision of its creator, which
is, you know. bunch of people like us and uh
hopefully not like me but more like you and you
know it works out great uh but i'll give you
like a a relatable example that i think anybody
can understand that's not about ai that's about
dynamics and it because it's about people and
dynamics it also relates to ai at the same time
which is so i remember my great aunt one of my
best friends So she laughed at all my jokes.
So she was my bestie. We got into plenty of trouble
because you never would want to take her to rob
the bank as a partner because she would literally
narc you the whole time, like just being innocent
and sweet. Like, are we supposed to take a gun
into the bank? You know, I mean, she's just that
kind of, you know, sweet old lady. Anyways, she
was dealing with a health crisis and it was clear
that she was approaching the end of her life.
You know, she was dealing with a really tough
form of cancer, bone cancer. Anyways, like every
week or two times a week, she was going to the
ER, you know, to deal with the cycle of getting
transfusions and other things to try to like
keep her alive. And so our family comes together.
We sit down with her and a social worker and
a hospice nurse. And we're having this really
tough conversation, right? Of like, do you want
to keep living? Do you want to keep fighting?
And everyone was asking the wrong questions.
They were talking about their feelings and their
love for her, which is so valid and valuable.
But in that moment, what needed to happen was
a clarifying question and nobody was coming up
with it. And I was relatively quiet because I
normally try to be the quiet person, despite
what people say about my motor mouth. I try to
be the quiet person in the room with a whole
bunch of really smart, really great people, people
that I love, you know, in that situation gave
people space to talk. But 45 minutes goes by
and we're no closer to an answer. And, you know,
she was over here, over there, you know, kind
of thinking about different things. And I go,
Sharon, can I ask you a question? If you have
another episode like you had three nights ago
where you're really not feeling well, do you
want them to take you to the hospital, which
means that they're going to do all the things
they do and keep you there for a couple of days
while you recover and all those things that you
don't really enjoy that much? Or do you want
to be at home comfortable knowing that even though
you're not receiving all of that care? You're
being made comfortable. You can go either way.
Either one's a good option. You know, you can
go and get care or you can be comfortable at
home. What would you prefer? And she goes, oh,
I'd rather be comfortable at home. And it's like,
boom, there's this 45 minute emotional conversation
with people just bawling their eyes out and sharing
these, these deep emotional feelings around their
love for her and wanting her to be around forever,
but at the same time, be comfortable on, you
know, all these competing things, you know, these
curious concerns. But just asking that question
of, okay, let's get really specific here. If
this happens, which just happened a couple of
days ago, if it happens again, how do you want
us to handle it? And so we went from this place
of uncertainty and back and forth. And we were
even talking about like, well, we'll come back
in a week and we can do this again. And I'm like,
oh God, no. So it's like, how do I ask a clarifying
question here? And that you have to do the same
thing in business and using AI, all these things.
If you're not asking the right questions and
willing to be humble and set your ego aside and
acknowledge that you don't have all the answers,
if you're not willing to do that, you're not
going to be a very good leader. You're going
to really hold your team back. I love that. I
think that there's so much brilliance in that.
And there's so many people out there who suffer
from thinking that love and logic don't belong
together. they're separate in reality love doesn't
exist without logic um they go hand in hand um
and so it's that and your your thought process
really honors that and it you know i would say
one of the greatest skill sets that has helped
me with chat gpt that has helped me with human
beings that was has helped me become a better
leader is developing my listening skills um becoming
a more active listener really taking interest
in what people have to say what they want what
they need where they might go asking good questions
The more we study those realities, I think the
more capable we become in this life, in and outside
of the AI world. So James, this has been an absolute
honor. Again, I look forward to our next episode.
We got to continue this thought process in these
ways. there's so many we're drinking from a fire
hose man and like we could do this every day
and uncover and unpack new ideas but maybe we'll
come back together over the coming weeks again
and and do something and i look forward to seeing
strive .os come out windows drive .os launch
yeah so let me tell you what we're doing so overlaying
the the venture partnership that we have uh we're
shifting the focus back to because we do have
a vc side an incubator side a operational consulting
a compliance side all these different things
that we do, AI just kind of came to the forefront
because we spent so much time and energy solving
these problems. And it's like, okay, well, how
do we tell the world that we solve these problems?
So Strive OS is going to be a product under overlaying.
So it's not necessarily going to be a site on
its own. It's just going to be what we call that
brand so that we get away from talking about
overlaying AI. and talk more about strive os
as our ai and technology solution that overlaying
helps implement along with all the other tools
in the toolbox so i i think we'll see that probably
within the next month which probably means in
about six months you know we're working towards
it but i want to encourage you know as we wrap
up here So anyone who has questions on their
journey of, you know, I was a freelancer, I was
a entrepreneur, I was a failure plenty of times,
probably still am to a certain extent. But you
go through life, you go through all these journeys.
And if people have questions or they're like,
you know, I just don't know how to handle this
situation or I don't know how to take things
to the next level or unlock, you know, my next
opportunity because I just feel this friction
that's holding me back. If you have questions,
things that you want to help with, reach out
to me on LinkedIn. You'll find me, James Lang,
L -A -N -G. Head to our website, overlang .com.
But on LinkedIn specifically, I make a point
of answering every message I receive. Maybe not
right away, but if you reach out to me, I'll
do my best to provide just a little bit of perspective.
And maybe it's useful, maybe it's not, but it's
worth what you pay for and it's totally free.
So happy to help those out there for sure. That's
awesome, James. Thanks for being so caring and
vision pros out there. There's a lot we can learn
from this episode, not just the tangibles of
what we talked about, but the mannerisms, the
leadership, the example. And I hope that we all
lean a little bit more into our inner James Ling
as we continue to move our visions forward. So
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Come tell us about your vision. We've got 8 billion
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can't do it on our own. We'd love to know about
the great visions that are there so we can promote
those and distribute the message and get it out
to the world. So we'll see you guys in the next
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