Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode
of Vision Pros Live. I'm your host and coach,
Fletcher Ellingson. I'm so glad you're here.
I'm so glad that you are in this conversation.
Why? Because these conversations are loaded with
nuggets of wisdom, nuggets of insight, nuggets
of suggestions and curiosity that will help you
grow, expand to that next level and create what
it is you want to create. And the main way we
do that is by conversing with other people who
are doing it. Today on the show, we've got Chaz
Wolf. He's from Gathering the Kings. Chaz, welcome
to the show. Thanks, Fletcher. I appreciate the
opportunity to be here. A blessing and thanks
for sharing your audience. Yeah, you bet. Before
we get into what it is you do and who you help,
and we want to find out. What's going well in
your world? And the reason we take time to do
this is because it's easy to focus on what's
not going well. In fact, I've been masterfully
practiced at that for most of my life. But I'm
practicing noticing what is going well. I'm practicing
noticing where I can make a difference, where
I can improve. So lay it on me. What's been going
well for you personally and or professionally?
Yeah, I love it, Fletcher. We start almost every
single call with wins as well for that exact
reason, creating new neural pathways around the
things that we want to focus on. And so, yeah,
man, the things that are going well in my world,
my kids just this past weekend, all three of
my kids who raced BMX all took a state championship
trophy home first place. This huge trophy, my
youngest is six. The trophy was as large as he
was. It was pretty fun. And in business, through
Gathering the Kings, we host a family mastermind
vacation each summer. We just hosted our largest
one back in June, and we're already planning
for next summer. We're already almost as many
families sold to next summer as just came with
us just a few months ago. And we just couldn't
be more excited about what we do for families,
entrepreneur families specifically. And so that's
just going really, really well. All right. I
love that. Yeah. So we're celebrating your kids
and their accomplishments, celebrating what's
been going well in you and gathering the Kings.
And that's cool. So before we get to your vision,
the organization is called Gathering the Kings.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Tell me, what is it that
you do there? And let's just dive into it. And
what's your vision? Yeah, the vision is that
we help multiply entrepreneurs, family, and wealth.
And we do that through helping business owners
understand how to scale their business profitably,
work less, and to be intentional with their family.
I think that the cool things that we get to do,
like with the family mastermind that I mentioned,
we teach their kids about entrepreneurship. Those
are just like the cherry on the top, it feels
like. But I'll talk business all day long with
entrepreneurs who are... growth -minded, down
-to -earth, family -oriented, because we share
the same values of wanting to win, not just in
the money category, my bank account. I want to
win in that. Don't get me wrong. But I just think
there's so many more elements of success. And
so that's really what Gathering the Kings does.
That's the vision. That's what we're creating.
That's what we've been creating. And as we progress,
it always unfolds, sometimes in predicted ways
and sometimes in unpredicted ways, which is always
fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. so really good so what's
important and i want our clients or not our clients
but our listeners and and to hear and our people
who are watching this is um yeah you help people
on their road to success and accomplishment um
and you know we're we're in the same space here
as in the coaching space and helping people um
empowering people And I think it's really important
for our listeners to understand what success
is. And I'm just going to offer my definition
of it. And you can chime in if you want. Because
a lot of people, we throw that word around a
lot. And I think there's a very big difference
and distinction between success and accomplishment.
And what I want our viewers to hear is you can
be successful without the accomplishment. And
I define success as knowing who I am, knowing
my desired outcome and taking consistent action
toward that outcome. If I'm doing those three
things, I'm successful. Yeah. Right. Now, I may
not have reached my accomplishment yet. Right.
Right. But the accomplishment. But because how
many people do we know who have all the accomplishments
and yet they don't feel successful? Yeah, that's
right. Right. So we got two different things.
But I love that you're helping people have that
sense of feeling successful so that they can
produce those desired outcomes. The feeling that
precedes the outcome is really important. Would
you agree with that? Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah. So
let's talk about what does Gathering the Kings
look like? What is this? Is this a mastermind?
Is this a group? What is it? Yeah. Yeah, that's
a great question. First off, I agree with your
definition of success. The language that we use
is called winning in all areas. And we've broken
that down, your business, your family, your health,
your joy, and your faith. And I think that in
order to be winning, you have to identify where
you are in those categories, what it takes to
move the needle in those categories, and then
to be able to take action on those things. So
almost, not the exact definition, but... our
definitions are pretty darn close um and i love
that because you're right um i'm winning i'm
winning in all areas it doesn't mean that i'm
perfect and it definitely doesn't mean that i've
achieved all that i'm going to achieve because
even on a scale of 1 to 10 what i have found
is that when i quote unquote reach the 10 then
the scale turns into 20 or you know or it resets
and now 10 becomes one um because at the end
of the day we're all on this journey uh called
life and i just happen to believe that my potential
I'll actually never reach it. That's the game
that I get to play is reaching for all that I'm
meant to be, that I'm created to be. And I get
every waking moment to be able to. to go after
that. And so, yeah, so as far as Gathering the
Kings, the structure, yes, we've got a mastermind
community, you know, where high performing entrepreneurs
come together. We've got a community app. We
do live Zoom calls. We do in -person events.
We try to mix up the environment and we're pretty
experiential. You know, I think a lot of entrepreneurs
learn from, from doing as, or, or. Getting in
motion as opposed to just sitting and listening,
although there's definitely an element of sitting
and listening and being a student. I'm a big
fan of that, actually, but I just know that in
today's world, attention spans are less. We're
preparing for an event. We'll be in Boston next
week. A good chunk of our members will be out
there. We'll have a very experiential weekend.
We'll start with the Red Sox game and we've got
some cool stuff downtown planned on Saturday.
But in the midst of that, I've got some speakers
lined up throughout the weekend and we're going
to plan to grow and develop and transform. And,
you know, the relationships will be transformed.
But a lot of times what most people don't recognize
in an event like that, especially with what we
do as a mastermind community, is that. The conversations
that are going to happen at dinner that I didn't
facilitate or the conversations that are going
to be on the transportation from the game back
to the hotel are oftentimes the most powerful.
And I didn't facilitate it. I didn't organize
it. But I did kind of in a way. I gathered everybody
together, right? Gathering the kings. And I just
brought everybody to the same table and I allowed
the conversation to happen, which is is is cool
because it doesn't have to be me. Right. I like
a little bit of humble pie here that. Yeah, sure.
I figured out a couple of things, but there's
plenty of other people that have figured out
a couple of things. And I think that we're more
powerful together than we are separate. So, yeah,
that's so good. And I'm really appreciating this
conversation. And I and I there's a couple of
things that I want our viewers and listeners
to really tap into. What you're talking about,
you didn't use this word, but what you're talking
about, I believe, is proximity. Yeah. When we
get into proximity, we have new access to, well,
opportunity. Yeah. Relationships, insights, compensation.
Right. Right. So. And one of the things you said
on your website was one of the biggest enemies
of the entrepreneur is isolation. Yeah, it is.
Yeah, I'm raising my hand right now. I've been
there, done that, right? But when we break out
of isolation and really pay attention to this
thing called proximity, things can begin to shift
rapidly. And that proximity. Like you said, that
might be on the bus ride to the game or it might
be at the at the at the lunch while you're waiting
in line. You know, it's any. Are you in proximity?
Who are you in proximity to? Yeah. Yeah. I say
the five people that you're around, you become
most like, you know, the one word that sticks
out to me as far as proximity. I love that word.
To me, it's always been courage. Like if I can
get around Fletcher. Right. And even in our time
here today. It's like, if you can do it, I can
do it, right? You put on your pants the same
way that I do. I put on my pants the same way
your listener does. And so someone might be listening
to this going, okay, you got this big fancy title
or this big fancy intro of who Chaz Wolf is,
is a serial entrepreneur, you know, a millionaire
by 29, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Regular
dude, grew up single mom family, had nothing
handed to him, literally read books to learn
because I didn't go to college, nothing. And
so. If I can do it, you can do it. And I think
you're right. You get all the value of proximity
of the tactics and the this and the that. I have
just, for me, I've just needed courage, man.
Like if I can get into a room and I can see you
winning, that's why I love you started with the
win, man. It's like, if you can win, then I can
win. If you can set a target and then take consistent
action towards it per your definition of success,
then I can, you know? Yes, yes. And I love that.
And when we are gathered together, we get to
see that up close. We get to see other people's
stories up close. We get to see and be with other
courageous people. Yeah, that's right. And that's
inspiring. That's infectious, right? Yeah, people
walk away from an event and they go, what did
you get from it? What are you walking away with?
And sometimes they say something like, well,
I heard so -and -so, they do this marketing campaign
and I'm going to give it a shot. That's every
now and then, but most of the time they're walking
away going. Man, I just – I feel like I can go
accomplish the whatever or run up the hill or
run through a wall, whatever they – however they
would describe it. It's because they got around
to the people who they see themselves in, and
they're like, well, shoot. They're dealing with
the same stuff. My crazy entrepreneurial journey
that feels heavy, it is, but guess what? If he
can carry it or she can carry it, I can carry
it. And guess what? If we're together actually
carrying it, the whole thing gets a whole lot
lighter. Yeah. Yeah, I love all the stuff you're
saying here. And by the way, if you're thinking,
oh, yeah, but Chaz, you know, he's got all this
experience. He's got something special. He's
got that it factor, that X factor, whatever it
is. What I want you to hear, he just said, was
talking about courage. And whenever I hear people
talk about courage, I immediately know they're
just like me because what they're actually saying.
Is I have a, I have fear. Yeah. Because the only
time that you can be courageous is when fear
is present. Right. So good. Yep. So I love already
what Chaz is saying. I can identify with him
because he's talking about being courageous.
I know that he has fear and I can relate to that
because I got a lot of it. Got a lot of fear.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, and we get together with
those other people and we realize, oh. I'm not
the only one that's fearful. Right. Yep. Yeah.
In fact, in fact, it's not just, I'm the only
one. It becomes normal. Like my crazy becomes
normalized and it's like, Oh, you know, the,
the stressful moment that you hear that, you
know, that you feel the entrepreneur is just
like, you know, head or the hands on their head
and they're on their desk and you're not going
to make payroll, whatever the scenario is that
you've got this picture in your brain of this
stressed out entrepreneur. And then you get around
with humans like, Oh no, no, no. That was just
me last week, buddy. And then a breakthrough
comes through or whatever. You make the deal
or – like that is the story actually. It's not
necessarily a constant up and down per se, but
we just live a different life as entrepreneurs.
And to know that it's normal, you walk away and
you walk – you come back and you're like, oh,
okay. Well, if it's normal – then then it's no
big deal i'm not going to let every blow hit
me so hard i'm actually taking it into proportion
of going oh this is just part of how this is
just this is just it okay cool no this is what
i signed up for no big deal you know yes yeah
yeah i really appreciate that um i recently joined
a mastermind and that's one of the things that
i i i enjoy about it every week is that it's
it's affirming like oh yeah This isn't just me.
It is actually the norm. This is par for the
course. The entrepreneurial course is a roller
coaster of ups and downs. I mean, that's life
in general. But if you're in that entrepreneurial
game, man, expect those highs up, high down.
Well, the truth is, is that we wouldn't have
it any other way because the way that we're wired,
generally speaking, we use the predictive index,
but there's probably three or four profiles that
an entrepreneur fits into most likely. And that
individual doesn't like. the basic ride at the
amusement park and and that's why they became
an entrepreneur there's this one part of them
that's just like oh my gosh another up and down
but then but then if we took that away from them
and gave them a smooth road they'd be they'd
be bored instantly and they would go create an
up and down you know they got their own tire
just to figure it out you know like this is just
what we do as entrepreneurs you know so You have
to, you have to like normalize it. So you embrace
the up and down and going, Oh, this is actually,
you know, it's not what I just signed up for.
Yes. But it's like, I get to enjoy it. Right.
Cause this is, this is actually what brings me
joy, even though it's stressful and it gets my
heart rate up. This is how I'm designed, you
know, to, to operate. Yeah. You get it. And,
and a couple of times on this already in our
conversation, you, you use the phrasing like
I get to. Yeah. Yeah. This is a privilege. This
is an opportunity. Yeah, I get to do this. I
get to experience this. And it's so such a different
perspective than like, oh, my God, I have to.
Right. Right. I mean, the opposite is go get
a job. I mean, I guess go get a nine to five
and every entrepreneur rolls their eyes and goes,
yeah, right. I'd rather work 80 hours for myself
than 40 hours for someone else. And although
I don't I'm not a proponent of working 80 hours,
I think that that autonomy is how we're designed.
And so it's like, OK, great. Well, what you signed
up for is. um some some strategy and some think
so we gotta we gotta we gotta solve those uh
so that because this isn't gonna stop you know
right right no it's not gonna stop uh until the
game until the ride's over yeah um so if someone's
listening to this and they're like i like what
i'm hearing interesting um gathering the kings
having a community having a mastermind yeah um
maybe no one's ever done this before Talk to
the person who's never really stepped forward
and thrown their hat in the ring and joined a
mastermind or a group like yours. Yeah. The person
that's thinking, I've not done this before, but
that sounds interesting, probably falls into
one of two categories. The person that has a
little bit more self -doubt where they think,
well, what could I bring to the table? And that
individual needs community and needs other entrepreneurs.
They need proximity like you talked about because
they need to have courage. They need to have
belief like breathed into them because when you
start hearing tactics and strategies and stories
of other people that have done what you're trying
to do, it elevates the game immediately. I can't
tell you how many times someone has come to us
in that same fashion of like, well, I don't really
know what I bring to the table. I know that we're
all obviously created in God's image and we all
have value and then we all have our own experience.
And so your experience, although maybe you feel
like it's less than, still offers something unique
to the story of the group. And so I would say
put your hat in the ring, as you mentioned, because
one, you don't know what you don't know and people
need to hear your story. And more than anything,
you probably need to hear theirs as well. For
the other person that's considering that thinks
that maybe. They've got it all together and they're
wondering, well, who's in the room? Who could
I really get value from? Which is fine. There's
no big deal. It's kind of how masterminds work.
You know, the $1 million guy doesn't want to
be around the half million dollar guy. The $5
million guy doesn't want to be around the $1
million guy and so forth and so on. And so, okay,
so who are you going to be around? Well, first
off, I would challenge the way that you're thinking
a slight bit. And I would say that if you're
only looking at revenue, then... You may not
fully understand what it means to be successful
because I can find you a lot of very successful,
financially speaking, people who don't have a
quality marriage. They don't know their kids.
And I don't want to know from those people because
to me, the value of having all of it is way more
important. That doesn't mean necessarily that
you should get around just a bunch of small business
owners who are family oriented. That's not what
I'm saying. But I'm saying that you should open
up your mind to. How can I win in all areas of
life? And sometimes there's things that I can
learn from other people who maybe have a smaller
business than me because they figured out a couple
of other components. Cool. The other thing is
that, sure, you should be skeptical around who's
in the room. And I would tell you that the people
that are in the room inside of Gathering the
Kings range from obviously the million -dollar
guy to the $30 million guy. But everywhere in
between is going to be a family -oriented, down
-to -earth, growth -minded person. And so I would
say that we've got different tiers specifically
designed so that that person can make sure that
they're in the right spot and that they're feeling
like they're pushing to the next level. I think
that getting around peers is important. I think
around getting around people who are bigger than
you is important and being around people who
are smaller than you is important. And so I think
there's a mixture of all of those things that
that person needs to probably understand that
they need for success. Yeah. Yeah. Well said.
And basically, just to recap, you have value.
You will get value. Yeah. Show up, right? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Because if you don't show up, then
you can't engage. You can't have the enlightening
conversations that you mentioned earlier, whether
we're at the ballpark or on a Zoom. And otherwise,
it's just something that you say that you do
that you don't. And that's not really success
anyway. Yeah. And, and I also want to just take
a pause and highlight this other thing that you
have brought forth a couple of times, you know,
you were, you're talking about winning and, and,
and for me that, that phrase could have been
triggering years ago because it would have highlighted
the fact that I wasn't winning and I was losing
and I would, and it would have felt competitive
to me. But years later, when i hear you saying
this i'm i i really want to ask our listeners
to ask themselves this question like am i winning
yeah am i winning in my marriage right i mean
we're not talking about a competitive here we're
not comp you're not competing with your is your
marriage winning right right is it is it is it
growing is it expanding is your parenting Are
you winning in the arena of parenting? Are you
connecting? Are you having authentic connection
with your kids? In your finances, is your account
growing? Is your money working for you? Are you
learning more about how to get your money to
work for you? Are you setting yourself up for...
uh later success and accomplishment you know
ask yourself am am i winning in my life and just
have answer it you know are there areas where
gosh you know i'm not winning the way that i
would like to be winning sure yeah let's get
curious right i mean isn't we want to get curious
about where am i winning where am i not and How
can I, if it's important to me, to improve that
area, right? Yeah, of course. Yeah, it all starts,
it all, growth starts with intention. And so
what you're talking about is being aware of where
you are first, right? You can't go to the destination
of B if you don't figure out first where you're
at, which is A. And so the roadmap then can begin,
the roadmap of intention, you know, because all
of the winning that you're talking about, all
those areas, nobody's going to write down a 10.
which is great, good for you. And so then you
can identify whether you're at a three or a seven.
Well, what is a 10? And okay, great. So now we've
got A and B and we start building the roadmap
of the intentions that I can take in your finance
or in your business or in your kids or whatever
the scenario is or your health. Like, okay, the
next 90 days, like, what does it look like? What
are the intentions that I'm setting? What are
the actions that I'm going to intentionally take?
To be able to to be able to hit the targets and
sometimes sometimes we hit them. Sometimes we
blow past them Sometimes we don't and we have
to reset the target. Okay, cool Let's hit them
again for the next 90 days and let's hit them
again for the next 90 days and and that that
now becomes a rhythm of just What successful
people do you know? Yeah, I like I like let's
let's let's repeat that That becomes a rhythm
of what successful people do And if you didn't
hear what he said that rhythm is setting an intention
taking intentional deliberate action noticing
the results and then reassessing resetting or
celebrating right yeah that becomes the rhythm
um and so if you feel like on this entrepreneurial
journey like god i've been here before yeah because
it's a rhythm yeah yeah yeah right yeah really
really good um So let's tell people how they
can get in touch with you, how they can check
out what your mastermind looks like. I've investigated,
but let's hear from you. Tell us where to go
and how to connect. Yeah, gatherinthekings .com
is our website. You can take a look at some of
the cool things we do there as a mastermind community.
If you're specifically interested in our family
mastermind vacation that I kind of mentioned
that we do in the summer times, we've got one
set up for 2026. That'll be June of 2026. We
do them typically in June every single year,
so even if you're listening to this years later,
I'm sure it'll still be there. But gtkfamilymastermind
.com, we'll give you all the details there. You
can book a call with our team to learn all the
details. We're pretty curated from a mastermind
or the family stuff. As you can imagine, I'm
there, my wife's there, my kids are there, or
the circle of kings that I've developed is highly
curated. And so we have an interview process.
It may or may not be right for you, but we're
happy to chat and to see if it is. Right on,
right on. Chas, thanks so much for being on the
show. Really, really appreciate the work you're
doing in the world. Thanks for being a source
of contribution. And I'd love to have you back
in a few months and hear what else is new and
what the impact that you and your group are making.
Again, thanks for being on the show. Yeah. Fletcher,
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