hey everybody welcome back to another episode
of vision pros live i'm your host and coach fletcher
ellingson i'm so glad you're here i'm so glad
that you are in this conversation because in
these conversations we're meeting people and
discussing vision and a vision is a clarified
story in the mind that we are efforting to bring
into the physical realm this is a topic that's
always of interest to me i love the creation
process from story to reality today on the show
we've got paul pape welcome to the show paul
thanks for having me i appreciate it yeah and
uh you are with gamify business yes yep that's
correct we're going to jump into what you do
and who you help but first we want to take just
a moment and i want you to share something that's
going well in your life either professionally
or personally we want to remind people that we
are the cause of good in our lives despite what
else is going else on in the world we still can
create good feel -good events situations so lay
it on us what's going well for you One of my
clients just finally hit the seven -figure milestone
in their business through my help. Kind of rerouted
the business there and it started climbing into
the right direction and they finally hit that
one. So that was a big win for all of us. And
my second one is kind of a personal one, but
this Wednesday I turned 50 years old. So it's
a huge win for me in that regard. Yeah, right
on, right on. Welcome to the 50s Club. That's
great. You know, in many regards, if you arrived
at your 50s, you beat the odds. A lot of people
don't make it there. Right. Yeah. And and you
look like you're you look like you're in good
health and able bodied. So right on, dude. Just
plowing through it still feels like 40s. Yes.
Hey, so gamify business. I took a look at your
website, but I'm not going to spill the beans.
But I will say that it definitely piqued my interest.
It looked like something unique. It looked like
something different. And I like that you're talking
to addressing a different type of mind, a way
that people process. But I'll get out of the
way. What does Gamify Business do and who do
you help? So Gamify Business is essentially...
The ability to become an entrepreneur, the twist
that I have on it is that we don't use the traditional
means of doing business. There's no NBA required.
My level of entry is if you can have a lemonade
stand, you can be an entrepreneur. What we do
instead is we use. terminology and framework
that is very familiar to most people, which is
gaming. If you've ever played a game on your
phone or on a tabletop or whatever, if you understand
the basic parameters of gaming, then you'll understand
this approach to how to run a business. And so
the people that I'm actually working with, they
are creative -based people. As a creative -based
person for over 20 years, I've... worked in many
of the entertainment industries, either behind
the scenes or in front of the camera. And what
I've learned is that a lot of creative -minded
people don't think linearly like a lot of business
-minded people do. And so I had to come up with
a framework that worked well with people who
kind of thought differently. So instead of trying
to approach something with a linear approach,
we do it more of a cloud -based, kind of more
story -based. telling and making it more of an
adventure rather than a burdensome task, I guess
is the best way to put it. Yeah. So I really
like this approach too. I like the whole concept
because one of the things I've always worked
into my curriculum with my clients is that life
is a game, right? I mean, whether you don't have
to agree with that or the people who are listening,
you don't have to agree with that. I mean, to
me, life is a game. And I'm sure you can speak
to this way more. But it's like, if it is a game,
then you want to get curious, like, okay, what
are the rules here? What are the rules? What's
the objective? Who are the other players? Who's
the central player? So am I on the right track
here? Yeah, absolutely. And the point of it is,
and especially from like my roles, if you're
looking at this in the background, you can kind
of see I have like this bar looking thing and
it represents the tavern and I represent the
barkeep or the wise old sage, the guy that you
go to that isn't the star of the show. I'm not
the hero that's out there. You are. and that's
the whole point of it as a gamified version of
your business you are the star of your adventure
and there will always be supporting characters
around that but the reality is is the dragon
that you're fighting is success and so what we
want to do is we want to build you up your character
build up your kingdom and then find the right
party members hence the the tavern motif here
to help elevate you to the most well -rounded
version of a business that you can have so that
when you do go out to slay the dragon, that you
are successful in it. Yeah, that's fun. I like
the way you explained that. And I, again, I want,
you said something really critical there and
I want our viewers and our listeners to hear
this. In the story or in the game of life, you
are the central figure. you are the main protagonist
you are the star and that's not an arrogant thing
it simply can't be any other way correct right
and that means that everyone around you is a
supporting actor it doesn't mean they're not
important they're simply not the central figure
they may be close to the central figure they
may be once or twice removed so and and i love
this because and i love the uh terminology it's
a they're a supporting actor right they are so
you pick your cast that are going to support
you and what paul is saying is like he's going
to be one of your supporters he's going to you're
going to cast him into your game into your book
into your movie as a person who's there solely
to support you did i get that accurately that
is absolutely correct And it's exciting because
when you realize that you call people into your
life, and when you realize that that's actually
what we do, then you can begin to do it deliberately.
You can begin building a team. And you want somebody
like Paul on your team because he's programmed,
if you will, in this game. He's programmed with
the sole purpose. of aiding you for your success
and accomplishment. Yes or no? That's correct.
And the great thing about being about having
me in that is that my years of experience, my
interactions with other adventurers on their
path helps you along the way. So you don't have
to know everything. You just have to know someone
who does. And so as the barkeep, the person you
can saddle up to pull up a drink and then ask
those questions, the questions that you really
just don't know, but you're too afraid to ask.
That's what I'm here for. And let me tell you,
as the barkeep, everyone's whispering to me all
the things. you'd need to know and so it's the
best persona that i can have i thought about
the wise man in the cave with the sword that
says it's dangerous outside take this but then
that's too isolationist and so i thought no let's
do a barkeep because then that's somebody we're
all familiar with yeah and this is so this is
really quite clever and i really appreciate it
because when i think of all the movies that i
see so many of them have these scenes where they
are at a bar and there is the there is the the
bartender and they're asking questions of the
bar of the bar keep right and and and sometimes
that bartender is extremely critical in like
giving a tip right or giving a warning or giving
encouragement or giving some uh self -reflection
right yep uh it's really and and because that
barkeep is hearing so many conversations that's
correct yeah this is brilliant i love this i
love that you set yourself up as as the as the
barkeep that is so cool all right so another
question for you um because our show is called
vision pros and so i want to know like i know
you've got a purpose a mission but i want to
know like really What is your vision? So my vision
is to allow people to truly understand that being
successful, being your own boss, being an entrepreneur
is not a Mount Everest that requires years and
years of training and studying to mount. The
reality is, like I said earlier, you can have
a lemonade stand. You understand the basics of
entrepreneurship and that. Following your dreams
is not something that should be you should be
scared of. It's an adventure. It should be fun.
It will be scary at times, but the best adventures
often are. And so I want people to just recognize
that in themselves, that there's so much more
to life than the daily drudgery of a nine to
five and that their adventure awaits. It awaits
every single one of us. You just have to be willing
to take that first step out your door towards
adventure. Yeah, this is fun. So, again, I want
to encourage our listeners and viewers to really
contemplate what he's saying. Like. Entrepreneur,
the entrepreneurial journey is an adventure.
Absolutely. And we love adventures, right? Yes.
Yes. That's what makes life worth living. Right.
Right there. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean,
like when we go to the movies, we love a good
like Indiana Jones type movie or a Mission Impossible.
Right. Those are adventure movies. Yeah. Which
which then we just then then you and I, we have
to ask our listeners like. What kind of movie
are you in right now? Are you in a tragedy? Are
you in a comedy? Are you in a romance? Are you
in an event? You know, what kind of movie are
you in? yeah and and is your movie going your
way or is it or does it suck right are you looking
for do you need a new cast do you need a new
yeah right most of us need a new cast absolutely
well and the thing is is like every movie just
like every movie there's nuance to it and you
know i I have a lot of people say, well, you're
geared towards because it's gaming themed or
you're geared toward kids or young adults. And
I'm like, no, some of my clients are in their
60s and they're like, I need something different.
I need a side hustle. I need clarity. I want
to I finally am out of the rat race and now I've
got time to approach something new, but I don't
know where to begin. That's exactly what this
is for. So there's no there's no age limit on
pursuing a dream. It's it should be fun. It should
be daunting and scary. And that's what I'm for,
is I am the guy to help put you at ease. I'm
the one who can say, if you just take these few
steps, you'll get down that path. You'll start
where you want, you know, towards the destination
that you want to go and that you should enjoy
every bit of it, no matter how stressful, no
matter how exhilarating it can be. It's all part
of the journey. It's all part of the fun. So
cool. I'm really appreciating what you're doing.
I feel very enthusiastic about this. The reason
is it is so fresh. This is such a fresh approach.
Like this is one of the most unique interviews
I've done just by the fact that you showed up
in character. You've got the set. I mean, this
is brilliant. But not only that, because it really,
as soon as I went to your website, like I was
like. I began to self -identify, right? There
was a relatability because I am a creative type.
And, and so if you are a creative type and you're
listening to this, I encourage you to, to, to
visit Paul's website, check it out. He's got
some, so what I saw there and you, and you expound
on this, I saw some books you were offering.
Is that correct? Tell me a little bit about what
those books are and what people can expect in
those books. So I have three books that I offer.
Here's one of them. This is the one that started
it all. This is the Creative Players Handbook
to Business. And this is a self -led book. If
you're one of those people who are an adventurous
type that doesn't need a lot of support in it,
this one is self -led. And inside of it, it starts
with... The very basics. It starts with your
character sheet, you yourself. And then from
there, what we do is we figure out what is the
seed to your business. And believe it or not,
it only takes two questions. A little bit of
introspection, but only two questions. And then
from that seed, we plant it and we build your
business around it. And so everything that's
in here. can help to lead you to building that
business itself. The book has a compliment book,
which is the workbook, which you can actually
fill in, has the same information that's in here.
And then inside this, there are also my trials
and tribulations. I found over time that the
best way to learn is through stories. through
storytelling. If somebody has had a mishap, we'll
remember that nugget. And those are, this book
is chock full of them. Everything that I'm asking
somebody to do, I give you a reason why, usually
based on a story. And I'll let you in on something
nine out of 10 times. It's because I screwed
up. And I learn from it. And a lot of people,
they don't want to be the one to screw up. So
let me take that hit for you, you know. And then
at the end of this book, there's also four appendices
filled with resources that will just help you
get on there. And so once you finish this book
and the workbook that goes with it, then you
have a 90 day plan of action. This actually creates
your business plan for you. And you have a 90
day plan of action to start earning real world
money as soon as you finish this. Then the other
book that I have is. This one here, which is
the Game Master's Guide to Business. This is
what teaches you how to be the storyteller of
your adventure. Because when you're going out
to meet new people, when you're going out to
sell, don't sell your stuff. Sell yourself. Because
you're the reason. that people want to invest
in the thing that you're selling if we wanted
widgets we'd go to amazon but if we want something
from an entrepreneur it's because we're investing
in the person behind it and this book here really
helps you to understand the story that goes behind
your adventure so that when you are pitching
it to other people you're not just selling stuff
you're selling yourself and my third object which
is going to be posted here in the next week or
so so probably well we'll see when this comes
out but is a familiar digital familiar training
program that i'm doing because if there's one
thing that an entrepreneur wishes they had as
a clone let me tell you if i like my wife constantly
saying if we'd only find another paul you would
be set And so what I did is I figured out how
to utilize AI to not go out and search the Internet
and give you generic responses, but to technically
take my mind and I can now converse with a digital
clone of myself. And so it becomes my familiar
and I use it to help me to bounce ideas off of
myself because I know what I'm trying to do.
And it's hard to explain to somebody else who
doesn't understand the nuances. But I can I can
gauge and I can brainstorm. I can do all these
things with myself. And it's not. an echo chamber
because the way I set it up it actually will
tell me if I'm wrong which I love I love it to
be able to give me point and counterpoint say
no no that's the wrong direction because then
you know that it's truly not an echo chamber
and that you're not just hearing what you want
to hear this is actually riveting conversation
with a clone version of yourself so that it'll
be offered here in the next week or two whoa
that sounds fascinating I can't wait to to get
a preview of that like i mean when you post on
your website i mean that sounds absolutely cool
the ability to have a conversation and bounce
ideas with yourself um that's able to give you
feedback or interact um that sounds so cool uh
wow okay I've taught it to so far to six. You
know, I try all this out and I've tried it with
six other clientele from all different walks
of life and ages and jobs. And every single one
of them has come back to me and said, you have
shortcutted my life by by 80 percent. Like everything
that all the doubt that I had, all the misdirection
that I thought I was going in, it recalibrates
because. Believe it or not, you've got a lot
of the answers and no coach is ever going to
come in and change completely how you do something.
They're going to help to hone the edge of the
sword. And so you already have the skill sets
there. But sometimes you lose the forest through
the trees and you don't know what you know or
you forgot because, you know, we know we got
a lot going on. You know, you're wearing 50 hats.
And so to be able to sit and contemplate with
yourself in a direction that you want to go,
it's enlightening. You're like, oh, I forgot.
That was that was the mission or that was the
thing that I was supposed to do. And it helps
to bring it back. And when you're looking for
clients, you can literally put your client in
there and say, is this a good fit for me? And
you will tell yourself yes or no. How awesome
would that be? Rather than. Yeah, it's and so
it's it's so incredibly useful. I use it a lot.
And so right now I have six different clones
of myself and they all wear a different hat.
But it depends on how I'm approaching my business
as to whether or not I'm I need that specific
clone. Interesting. And is this like through
like the use of AI agents? Yes. Yeah. So but
the key to it with that AI and I know we're getting
sidetracked here, but the key to the AI agent
is that we turn it off from using the Internet.
We we give it the knowledge base that we want
and the knowledge base is your knowledge. And
so the more information you can tell about yourself.
So just as an example, when I'm talking to me
about, say, Gamify business. I wrote these books.
I upload the books. That's my knowledge base
right there. And then the key to it is to have
it ask me more questions to clarify. And then
I just spend my time. And I don't type everything.
I know people are so averse to having to type.
long things i talk i talk on my phone as a voice
memo i upload it and say there's my answer and
then it keeps on learning but it stays within
the knowledge base that you have and so when
i'm asking about my business it only structures
around my business now if i have it's one just
wanted to search something that's on the internet
i can toggle that ability on and off but for
the most part you don't want outside interference
you want to have a discussion with your true
knowledge that's the best way to do it okay so
we're we're We're not approaching. We have arrived
at a new way of doing business, conducting business,
researching business, getting curious about business.
We have arrived at a very new opportunity. I'm
so fascinated by this. If you're listening to
this or watching this, and you are too, I want
to find out more. Paul, give us the details.
Where can we connect with you? Yeah, just head
over to my website, which is gamifybusiness .com.
And if you're curious about this, but you're
not sure about the investment, if you just enter
your email address, you'll be able to download
the first two chapters of my book, The Creative
Player's Handbook. So you can understand the
process that goes into this and the steps that
are involved. And you'll even get a little bit
of a taste of the nugget of wisdom that you'll
get inside there. And it does ask you those first
two questions, which... I know they say don't
give away all the milk for free, but in this
one, I think it adds so much value to it. So
go and check it out. Download the free copy.
You won't get a follow -up or anything from me.
I just want you to have access to it. So it's
gamifybusiness .com. Well, I'm going to do it.
So you can expect to see my email address come
through. I want to see what you're doing. This
is fascinating to me. And when will the AI part
of it be? your website it should be there within
a week or two I'm finalizing the package right
now it is it it's an addendum to this so there
is a book compartment a book part to it but it's
also a digital download so because a lot of the
way that you talk to AI is it's through prompts
and I don't want you have to type any of that
so you can copy and paste to put it in there
and then there's also a video version of me explaining
again because it's all through story how best
to approach putting this information into it
because I Love to ideally do it one -on -one
with all my clients. And my clients I do that
with, but I just can't hit everybody. So it's
a downloadable class, but it's also a book that's
either virtual or not. So I'm just kind of putting
all the pieces together now and then we'll be
able to have it out in about a week or two. Got
it. Wow. Okay. Fascinating. Gosh, I'm so glad
that we connected today because this is unique.
This is the first. Excellent. And I do a lot
of interviews. Well, good. Yeah. So I'm super
excited. I hope the people listening are as well.
This sounds like it could be a game changer for
many entrepreneurs. So I acknowledge you for
the work you've done and putting all this together
and bringing it to the market. This is fantastic.
Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. We're
just at the top of our time together, so any
last words before we say goodbye? Have fun, and
remember that business is an adventure. Don't
be an NPC, all right? Play your life. Right on,
dude. So good. All right, now you know what it's
time to do. It's time to get out there. Be a
source of kindness. Be a source of contribution.
You do have something to offer this world, and
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