WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.659 Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode 00:00:01.659 --> 00:00:03.839 of Vision Pros. I'm your host and coach, Fletcher 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:06.419 Ellingson. Today on the show, we've got Ginny 00:00:06.419 --> 00:00:10.339 Waller. And Ginny Waller is from Waller Consulting, 00:00:10.339 --> 00:00:14.320 also the brand that a lot of her clients refer 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:18.000 to her as, Capacity to Dream. Welcome to the 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.399 show. Thank you, Fletcher. It's good to be here. 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:23.640 Yeah. Capacity to Dream. I like that. Tell me 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:26.300 a little bit about what that means. So when I 00:00:26.300 --> 00:00:28.179 first decided that I wanted to have the business, 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:31.940 the idea that I really came to is that for nonprofits, 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:36.020 what is our big mission? What's our big overall 00:00:36.020 --> 00:00:38.200 focus is that we want to get to a point where 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:41.700 we're no longer needed in our world. And organizations, 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.149 especially nonprofits, tend to work on it. dime 00:00:45.149 --> 00:00:47.969 and try to do all the things. And I wanted to 00:00:47.969 --> 00:00:49.969 create a business that could help them build 00:00:49.969 --> 00:00:53.049 that capacity so that they were able to actually 00:00:53.049 --> 00:00:55.329 see their visions come to life and then be able 00:00:55.329 --> 00:00:57.149 to walk away and go do something else and save 00:00:57.149 --> 00:01:00.189 the world in another place. The idea behind it 00:01:00.189 --> 00:01:03.429 was build capacity to dream the vision. I like 00:01:03.429 --> 00:01:07.750 that. I like that. That's a neat goal. That's 00:01:07.750 --> 00:01:10.810 a neat vision. Hey, before we get into things 00:01:10.810 --> 00:01:15.209 much deeper, Start me off with a win. What's 00:01:15.209 --> 00:01:17.609 something that's going well in your world, professionally 00:01:17.609 --> 00:01:20.349 or personally? And the reason we like to do this 00:01:20.349 --> 00:01:23.230 is we want to remind people there is plenty of 00:01:23.230 --> 00:01:25.790 good still occurring in the world. And what's 00:01:25.790 --> 00:01:28.709 right with the world is always available. What's 00:01:28.709 --> 00:01:30.549 wrong with the world is always available. It's 00:01:30.549 --> 00:01:32.849 where we put our focus. So lay it on us. What's 00:01:32.849 --> 00:01:35.450 going well? Well, we have a lot of good things 00:01:35.450 --> 00:01:37.629 going on in both the nonprofit sector as well 00:01:37.629 --> 00:01:41.049 as my business. So with our business, we just 00:01:41.049 --> 00:01:43.750 launched what we call upshift. It's our strategic 00:01:43.750 --> 00:01:46.870 framework around strategic planning. And it's 00:01:46.870 --> 00:01:49.390 pretty darn exciting. The idea is that strategic 00:01:49.390 --> 00:01:52.219 planning typically has been done. in very much 00:01:52.219 --> 00:01:55.659 of a bubble like if you hire me and you uh you're 00:01:55.659 --> 00:01:57.980 you make post -its we're gonna go and we're gonna 00:01:57.980 --> 00:01:59.859 talk to your staff and we're gonna talk to some 00:01:59.859 --> 00:02:02.760 of your um financiers we're gonna talk to some 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:04.900 individuals that care about your post -its maybe 00:02:04.900 --> 00:02:07.599 your vendors um and we're gonna hear from a variety 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:09.020 of people but we're really gonna be listening 00:02:09.020 --> 00:02:11.819 to you right like you're the idea behind your 00:02:11.819 --> 00:02:14.680 business is where we want to take it for strategic 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.900 planning well in the nonprofit sector It's not 00:02:17.900 --> 00:02:20.699 true because you work for the public and it's 00:02:20.699 --> 00:02:24.319 the community's organization. It's not your organization. 00:02:24.659 --> 00:02:27.800 So really, we have designed strategic planning 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.580 so that it is focused on the client experience 00:02:30.580 --> 00:02:34.240 or the customer experience. And we listen to 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:36.139 the customer and the client. It doesn't always 00:02:36.139 --> 00:02:39.539 get you what you want if you're the CEO of your 00:02:39.539 --> 00:02:42.060 nonprofit, but it's going to get what the community 00:02:42.060 --> 00:02:44.780 wants and what the community needs. And so that's 00:02:44.780 --> 00:02:46.439 really where we put our emphasis. So we just 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.000 launched Upshift, and that Upshift is all about 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:54.379 centering on the client voice and maybe the prospective 00:02:54.379 --> 00:02:56.780 client voice, those voices we haven't heard from 00:02:56.780 --> 00:02:59.300 before. Who are we not getting to that we need 00:02:59.300 --> 00:03:01.379 to understand why we're not getting to them? 00:03:02.030 --> 00:03:04.050 So we've launched this. We've been doing it now 00:03:04.050 --> 00:03:06.729 for 10 years, but now we have it in a way that 00:03:06.729 --> 00:03:08.969 we can package it for clients who may even be 00:03:08.969 --> 00:03:11.669 on the smaller side and haven't before felt like 00:03:11.669 --> 00:03:14.490 strategic planning was in their reach. So that's 00:03:14.490 --> 00:03:16.849 been really exciting in the nonprofit sector 00:03:16.849 --> 00:03:20.129 as a whole. What we're seeing is that organizations 00:03:20.129 --> 00:03:23.310 for the first time ever are willing to look at 00:03:23.310 --> 00:03:27.120 what they do really well. and lean into that 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.780 and then consolidate or figure out ways that 00:03:30.780 --> 00:03:33.039 they can partner at a really high strategic level 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:35.580 with other organizations to do the other pieces. 00:03:35.900 --> 00:03:38.400 So you know how this works. A long time ago, 00:03:38.460 --> 00:03:40.400 nonprofits started picking up. Well, somebody 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:42.379 needs to feed the community and someone needs 00:03:42.379 --> 00:03:44.719 to house them and someone needs to get their 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:49.060 to take care of the other main needs that we 00:03:49.060 --> 00:03:51.139 need to do. And so they're doing all the things. 00:03:51.379 --> 00:03:53.460 And what we've really been trying to encourage 00:03:53.460 --> 00:03:56.879 for the past. five years or so is to have organizations 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:00.800 go after what they do really well which may be 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.759 feeding the homeless or feeding the hungry and 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:07.099 or the unhoused and then having someone else 00:04:07.099 --> 00:04:09.740 handle other pieces that they do really well 00:04:09.740 --> 00:04:12.439 and leaning into that and organizations are finally 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.759 doing it we're seeing actually community foundations 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:17.720 across the country willing to fund this and they're 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:19.839 interested in having these conversations with 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:23.170 organizations about And the strategic partnerships, 00:04:23.329 --> 00:04:25.709 but also merger and acquisition and seeing how 00:04:25.709 --> 00:04:28.310 that we can make ourselves bigger and better 00:04:28.310 --> 00:04:32.110 for mission and vision focus and without losing 00:04:32.110 --> 00:04:34.389 the impact. In fact, hopefully increasing impact 00:04:34.389 --> 00:04:37.069 and doing it with less money, because, of course, 00:04:37.129 --> 00:04:40.350 that's what we're dealing with. Yeah. Yeah. Neat. 00:04:40.350 --> 00:04:43.829 Yeah. Some really exciting things are happening 00:04:43.829 --> 00:04:46.029 and you're seeing some sounds like you're seeing 00:04:46.029 --> 00:04:48.930 momentum in the space. Yeah. Yeah, I think, you 00:04:48.930 --> 00:04:51.129 know, sometimes you need a little push and a 00:04:51.129 --> 00:04:53.910 lot of the financial situation, especially with 00:04:53.910 --> 00:04:55.529 organizations that have been heavily government 00:04:55.529 --> 00:04:59.970 funded in the last 30 years, even since inception, 00:05:00.170 --> 00:05:03.889 are now having to have these really hard conversations 00:05:03.889 --> 00:05:07.689 around who we are and where are we going? Because 00:05:07.689 --> 00:05:09.949 we no longer have the funding that we had before. 00:05:10.350 --> 00:05:13.680 And that. You know, that's an opportunity that 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:17.360 has allowed itself to make force people's hand 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.420 at exploring maybe things they wouldn't have 00:05:20.420 --> 00:05:22.220 done before. Partnerships they would not have 00:05:22.220 --> 00:05:25.899 looked at before. Yeah. Yeah. Forcing the hand 00:05:25.899 --> 00:05:29.100 into different levels of collaboration. Yeah. 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:32.759 Yeah. And really exciting because even partnerships 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:36.610 that heretofore may not have. even been on the 00:05:36.610 --> 00:05:38.689 table that they would not have even partnered 00:05:38.689 --> 00:05:41.529 with whether it's from the private sector or 00:05:41.529 --> 00:05:44.410 maybe a non -profit that they isn't actually 00:05:44.410 --> 00:05:47.610 not maybe necessarily value aligned we can help 00:05:47.610 --> 00:05:50.089 them start to work with those organizations so 00:05:50.089 --> 00:05:52.829 that they are having those conversations that 00:05:52.829 --> 00:05:55.540 they weren't willing to have before That's pretty 00:05:55.540 --> 00:05:57.819 exciting for me because when I go into a nonprofit, 00:05:58.259 --> 00:06:00.819 oftentimes there's so much cleanup that needs 00:06:00.819 --> 00:06:03.980 to be done. They're spread so thin. Staff are 00:06:03.980 --> 00:06:07.379 really burned out. And the answer lies in all 00:06:07.379 --> 00:06:09.079 of these partnerships in the community that are 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.220 also doing the work. They're just doing it in 00:06:11.220 --> 00:06:13.620 different ways. And how can we bring that together, 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:16.660 be conveners and really have a larger conversation 00:06:16.660 --> 00:06:19.379 to make a larger impact? Yeah, you know what 00:06:19.379 --> 00:06:23.579 is abundantly clear as we're talking, and it's 00:06:23.579 --> 00:06:25.680 no surprise because this, in my opinion, is how 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:30.980 life always works, but creation is always occurring 00:06:30.980 --> 00:06:34.319 through language, right? So what you're really 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:40.139 getting at is new conversations because in conversations, 00:06:40.180 --> 00:06:44.920 in language, creation... can occur and what i 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.139 heard you saying you in fact you use the word 00:06:47.139 --> 00:06:52.680 people are needing to be willing and and the 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:56.699 willingness is to have that is to open their 00:06:56.699 --> 00:06:59.600 mind expand their mind and have a have a different 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:04.399 conversation um and and as a result we can be 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:08.250 we can create newly would is that accurate Yeah, 00:07:08.310 --> 00:07:10.649 I think that's really it. It's like people really 00:07:10.649 --> 00:07:13.569 thinking about ways to do things differently. 00:07:14.230 --> 00:07:16.490 Before, there was money. So why do we have to 00:07:16.490 --> 00:07:18.170 do it differently? Let's keep doing it the same 00:07:18.170 --> 00:07:20.430 way we've been doing it all of this time. But 00:07:20.430 --> 00:07:22.889 now that there isn't any money, we really are 00:07:22.889 --> 00:07:24.329 going to have to have that conversation. How 00:07:24.329 --> 00:07:25.730 do we do this differently? And you know what? 00:07:25.889 --> 00:07:28.970 It might be better. And that's pretty awesome. 00:07:29.329 --> 00:07:32.449 Yeah, it could be better, right? It might look 00:07:32.449 --> 00:07:34.629 very different, but it could be more impactful. 00:07:35.410 --> 00:07:38.939 Exactly. There's a statement on your website 00:07:38.939 --> 00:07:42.379 that I really like. It says, nonprofit is a tax 00:07:42.379 --> 00:07:46.579 status, not a business model. Talk to me about 00:07:46.579 --> 00:07:51.720 that. I'm not sure how much familiarity you have 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:54.100 with the nonprofit sector, Fletcher, but a lot 00:07:54.100 --> 00:07:56.459 of nonprofits believe very much in that charity 00:07:56.459 --> 00:08:01.079 mentality. Our clients are needy. We're needy. 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.079 We're going to take your dollar and we're going 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:05.839 to squeeze every bit out of it and we're going 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:08.970 to not pay our people and and we're gonna ask 00:08:08.970 --> 00:08:12.449 everybody for a cut and try not to spend anything 00:08:12.449 --> 00:08:16.230 to make the money we're just it's we're gonna 00:08:16.230 --> 00:08:19.350 work really really at this low level and you 00:08:19.350 --> 00:08:21.310 and i both know when you're building a business 00:08:21.310 --> 00:08:24.009 you have to spend money you have to invest in 00:08:24.009 --> 00:08:26.709 that business to build the capacity that you 00:08:26.709 --> 00:08:31.329 need and oftentimes our clients adopt the same 00:08:31.329 --> 00:08:34.340 mentality as they as their clients that they're 00:08:34.340 --> 00:08:37.379 serving and that is what i'm always trying to 00:08:37.379 --> 00:08:39.720 say that as You're a business like you still 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.919 have to function. And yes, you should make money. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:44.379 And when I hear a nonprofit say, oh, but we're 00:08:44.379 --> 00:08:46.379 nonprofit, we don't need to make money. What 00:08:46.379 --> 00:08:49.799 do you want to be in business next year to help 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:51.899 your people? Well, then, yes, we need to make 00:08:51.899 --> 00:08:53.799 money. We're just going to put it back into the 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:57.299 organization versus into your pocket. And so 00:08:57.299 --> 00:09:01.019 it's really thinking differently about how what 00:09:01.019 --> 00:09:03.460 nonprofit means and getting away from that charity 00:09:03.460 --> 00:09:06.440 mentality that really is pervasive. And that's 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:09.909 why you get these. I always hear nonprofits say, 00:09:09.929 --> 00:09:13.909 I need, we need a new marketing person and we 00:09:13.909 --> 00:09:17.149 need a bus that takes people places. Well, you 00:09:17.149 --> 00:09:20.049 actually don't need. We have a mission and your 00:09:20.049 --> 00:09:22.169 clients are the ones who need it. So let's figure 00:09:22.169 --> 00:09:24.889 out how we as a business can get them there, 00:09:24.990 --> 00:09:29.690 can support that. Yeah. So good. Well, well said. 00:09:29.850 --> 00:09:33.500 Again, I. can't help but to bring it, bring it 00:09:33.500 --> 00:09:36.899 back to language again. You know, I think language 00:09:36.899 --> 00:09:40.559 matters and the, and the more accurate we are 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:43.399 with it, like instead of saying we need, like, 00:09:43.419 --> 00:09:47.320 how about we're creating, we're creating, we're 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.220 creating a new transportation opportunity for 00:09:50.220 --> 00:09:52.460 our clients. We're creating a new department 00:09:52.460 --> 00:09:55.460 head. We're create, you know, really because. 00:09:56.169 --> 00:09:58.669 Because we have an emotional reaction to the 00:09:58.669 --> 00:10:03.950 language that we use. And it also, if we say 00:10:03.950 --> 00:10:07.990 that, then our mind begins to expect that that's 00:10:07.990 --> 00:10:11.269 going to happen. So I love what you're talking 00:10:11.269 --> 00:10:14.690 about, kind of reframing and reeducating some 00:10:14.690 --> 00:10:19.629 of the nonprofit mentality and busting some of 00:10:19.629 --> 00:10:22.110 those myths. very good yeah that's what i always 00:10:22.110 --> 00:10:24.090 try to tell the clients is like you have the 00:10:24.090 --> 00:10:27.309 solution to the societal problem like that's 00:10:27.309 --> 00:10:31.009 amazing you don't need you have the solution 00:10:31.009 --> 00:10:33.629 for your clients and they're the ones who need 00:10:33.629 --> 00:10:35.950 so we just have to reframe that so yeah it really 00:10:35.950 --> 00:10:37.789 goes back to language and thinking differently 00:10:37.789 --> 00:10:40.090 but it actually affects the entire culture of 00:10:40.090 --> 00:10:42.350 the organization exactly i mean it's going to 00:10:42.350 --> 00:10:45.769 infiltrate everything that they do from you know 00:10:45.769 --> 00:10:49.490 top down if it's done right Yeah, exactly. It 00:10:49.490 --> 00:10:51.389 affects the culture of the organization. So, 00:10:51.450 --> 00:10:53.149 you know, if you're watching this or listening 00:10:53.149 --> 00:10:57.289 to this and in what she's saying is landing with 00:10:57.289 --> 00:10:59.809 you, then, you know, really reach out to her, 00:10:59.909 --> 00:11:02.409 connect, see what they can offer. Because what 00:11:02.409 --> 00:11:06.690 what she's talking about is and again, it goes 00:11:06.690 --> 00:11:11.230 back to your capacity to capacity to dream. You 00:11:11.230 --> 00:11:14.090 know, frequently when a nonprofit begins it. 00:11:14.490 --> 00:11:17.049 begins because there was a dream there was a 00:11:17.049 --> 00:11:20.529 vision and then what happens is business occurs 00:11:20.529 --> 00:11:24.289 and we weren't equipped to run a business but 00:11:24.289 --> 00:11:26.929 we had this you know incredible and inspiring 00:11:26.929 --> 00:11:30.850 vision and it's and it's beautiful but the business 00:11:30.850 --> 00:11:33.669 is a different component that most of us are 00:11:33.669 --> 00:11:37.129 not equipped for so you know jenny's jenny and 00:11:37.129 --> 00:11:42.370 her business here are here to help you run more 00:11:42.370 --> 00:11:46.250 efficiently run better uh step into that capacity 00:11:46.250 --> 00:11:51.210 and the thing that i really love that you said 00:11:51.210 --> 00:11:55.250 at the beginning of the show is you want to be 00:11:55.250 --> 00:11:58.889 able to help people do this so well that ultimately 00:11:58.889 --> 00:12:05.429 they can step away because that's that's that's 00:12:05.429 --> 00:12:10.210 like the ultimate in my opinion that's the ultimate 00:12:10.210 --> 00:12:13.269 success the ultimate accomplishment i set out 00:12:13.269 --> 00:12:17.370 to do this thing it's now running well i can 00:12:17.370 --> 00:12:20.190 go over here now and do what's next that's right 00:12:20.190 --> 00:12:22.850 yeah because the people who go into non -profit 00:12:22.850 --> 00:12:26.120 work They are problem solvers who have a passion 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.080 for trying to fix our world. I don't want you 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.440 centered on one issue for the rest of your life. 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.500 Like, let's get you spread out. Let's get you 00:12:33.500 --> 00:12:36.799 solving all of them. And there is such opportunity 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.700 for that. But you get bogged down. I had I worked 00:12:39.700 --> 00:12:41.860 with an organization. I used to work in the interpersonal 00:12:41.860 --> 00:12:45.200 violence field a lot and still do with my clients. 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:49.379 And I would hear them say. But we're never going 00:12:49.379 --> 00:12:50.940 to be out of business. There's always going to 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:52.799 be sexual violence. There is always going to 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.879 be domestic violence. And I'm like that right 00:12:55.879 --> 00:12:58.759 there is the mentality that you have bogged into 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.840 as a nonprofit. You have forgotten that you were 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.419 created to offer a solution to a problem. Prevention 00:13:05.419 --> 00:13:08.940 being one of those. And so if you're not believing 00:13:08.940 --> 00:13:11.879 that you're going to get to that vision, you're 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:14.360 not. i mean you're just not going to get there 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:16.840 and then then we don't we can't take you and 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:18.919 put you into another project for prevention of 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:20.919 something else because you're so good at solving 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.720 that problem um i believe that firmly like within 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:27.559 my soul that organizations really have to believe 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.879 that that vision is attainable and they're there 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:33.600 to fix it yes yeah and again language i mean 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.840 when i hit that language again it's all about 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.440 like how they're How they're saying it, how they're 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:40.399 portraying it, what they're there for. Otherwise, 00:13:40.460 --> 00:13:42.179 you're going to be in existence for another hundred 00:13:42.179 --> 00:13:44.620 years and you're going to still be begging people 00:13:44.620 --> 00:13:47.639 for money to keep your lights on. And we're going 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:50.059 to hear the same letters and the sob stories 00:13:50.059 --> 00:13:54.460 about how it's all bad and dark everywhere. And 00:13:54.460 --> 00:13:58.659 it's not it can be avoided and we can make we 00:13:58.659 --> 00:14:01.480 can do better than that. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:04.139 I think I think you said on your website, crisis 00:14:04.139 --> 00:14:08.919 averted. Yes. don't have to live there. We don't 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.240 have to live in the fire. It's not, it's not, 00:14:11.259 --> 00:14:13.580 that doesn't have to be that way. But I think 00:14:13.580 --> 00:14:15.440 that's just the mentality of a lot of nonprofits. 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.360 Yeah. So again, if you're somebody that's watching 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.080 or listening to this and you are involved in 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.940 a nonprofit running a nonprofit or just involved 00:14:24.940 --> 00:14:29.120 in it, you know, you, you may experience this 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:32.340 in your, your, in the culture. And so if, if 00:14:32.340 --> 00:14:35.500 you feel like, Gosh, we need a reboot. We need 00:14:35.500 --> 00:14:38.039 a reset. We need or we need a shot in the arm. 00:14:38.100 --> 00:14:42.960 We need some new thinking. Then you got to reach 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:46.000 out to her. And what's the best way to connect 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.750 with you? Well, the best way is to go on my website. 00:14:48.850 --> 00:14:51.389 So capacity to dream. That's the place to go. 00:14:51.789 --> 00:14:54.250 You're going to get all kinds of resources. A 00:14:54.250 --> 00:14:56.889 lot of the preaching that I have done today, 00:14:56.990 --> 00:14:58.929 because I do love to I do love to bring people 00:14:58.929 --> 00:15:01.490 to church. They'll see a lot of that on my website 00:15:01.490 --> 00:15:04.289 as well. And a lot of free resources, because 00:15:04.289 --> 00:15:07.340 I think it takes us. hearing things a few times, 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.179 especially when they're hard truth to be ready 00:15:10.179 --> 00:15:13.580 to actually take that next step of doing the 00:15:13.580 --> 00:15:16.580 thing and making the change. So there are a lot 00:15:16.580 --> 00:15:19.100 of resources, a lot of places to get ways to 00:15:19.100 --> 00:15:20.820 get in touch with me there, as well as to get 00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:22.759 in touch with other folks that are doing the 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.740 same work and live by the same mentality as I 00:15:25.740 --> 00:15:29.720 do in regards to what change can mean for the 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:35.419 nonprofit world. Cool, cool. So and the. Domain 00:15:35.419 --> 00:15:40.340 name again is capacitytodream .com. Capacitytodream 00:15:40.340 --> 00:15:43.019 .com. Go there, check it out. It's a great website. 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.600 It's really well put together. Lots of good information 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:49.600 there. And yeah, reach out. Start a conversation 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:54.919 and see what's possible. Jenny, so good to talk 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:56.559 with you today. Is there anything else you'd 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.159 like us to know before we wrap up? Well, I think 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:02.899 the last thing I would add is that nonprofits 00:16:02.899 --> 00:16:05.059 right now are experiencing a lot of change, right? 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:08.639 We're losing money, large funders. We're losing 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:13.000 our staff. CEOs, the C -suite, are moving out 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.740 of the sector so fast. that you wouldn't believe 00:16:16.740 --> 00:16:19.320 that there's something like 40 % turnover anticipated 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:21.919 over the course of the last year and next year. 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:25.659 Wow. So with that kind of change, you have an 00:16:25.659 --> 00:16:28.879 opportunity here to do it, right? This is when 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.360 there's no leader at the helm that's specific, 00:16:31.580 --> 00:16:35.340 that's tied to anything. Go for it. And at Water 00:16:35.340 --> 00:16:38.039 Consulting, we can assist with that to seize 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:40.539 that opportunity and to take your organization 00:16:40.539 --> 00:16:43.139 to a whole nother level you never dreamed of. 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.440 Yeah, and so thank you for that. And I want to, 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.919 again, spotlight something you just said. With 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:53.740 the level of transition that's happening in the 00:16:53.740 --> 00:16:58.100 nonprofit sector right now, hear what she said. 00:16:59.179 --> 00:17:04.079 It might be unsettling, but this is an opportunity. 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:09.920 So seize it. Love it. I love it. Thank you, Jenny, 00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:12.859 for being on the show today. It's time now for 00:17:12.859 --> 00:17:15.259 you all to get out there. Be a source of kindness. 00:17:15.380 --> 00:17:18.059 Be a source of contribution. You do have something 00:17:18.059 --> 00:17:20.779 to offer this world. And I believe in you. Thank 00:17:20.779 --> 00:17:22.759 you for being here today. I'm really happy that 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:24.799 you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. I'm looking 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:28.059 forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes 00:17:28.059 --> 00:17:29.839 continue to move forward. This is going to get 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:32.480 more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:34.559 as well. We'll invite people to participate in 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:36.740 the show. And thank you for giving us your time 00:17:36.740 --> 00:17:39.019 and attention. Have an excellent time building 00:17:39.019 --> 00:17:41.579 out your vision and becoming a Vision Pro. yourself.