WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.980 Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode 00:00:01.980 --> 00:00:03.759 of Vision Pros Live. I'm your host and coach, 00:00:03.899 --> 00:00:05.980 Fletcher Ellingson. So glad you're here. I'm 00:00:05.980 --> 00:00:08.980 so glad you're in this conversation because it's 00:00:08.980 --> 00:00:11.419 a conversation of inspiration. It's a conversation 00:00:11.419 --> 00:00:15.259 of motivation. It's a conversation of... expanding 00:00:15.259 --> 00:00:19.780 our knowledge base and the opportunity to create 00:00:19.780 --> 00:00:23.579 possibility so welcome to the show uh my guest 00:00:23.579 --> 00:00:27.620 today is joanne merrick and she is from the leadership 00:00:27.620 --> 00:00:31.300 recipe welcome to the show joanne thank you so 00:00:31.300 --> 00:00:35.320 much great to be here hi everyone yeah hey um 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:39.100 so before we get into what it is you do uh i 00:00:39.100 --> 00:00:42.619 want to start out with the win because it's we're 00:00:42.619 --> 00:00:46.380 habitually program to look for what's not working 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:49.479 in the world. And that's easy to find. But I 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:51.520 like to remind people that we can also create 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:54.200 a habit of looking for what is working well, 00:00:54.259 --> 00:00:57.520 what is feeling good. And so lay it on me, Joanne, 00:00:57.560 --> 00:00:59.119 what's been going well for you in your life, 00:00:59.179 --> 00:01:02.369 either professionally or personally? Yeah, great 00:01:02.369 --> 00:01:05.430 question. So I guess a couple of things. Connection 00:01:05.430 --> 00:01:08.109 with other people in my industry that I have 00:01:08.109 --> 00:01:10.250 known for a long time. You know, I think when 00:01:10.250 --> 00:01:12.930 we when we've had careers, you know, for myself, 00:01:13.030 --> 00:01:15.569 it's expanded over 20 years, especially in the 00:01:15.569 --> 00:01:18.569 learning and leadership development space. Reconnecting 00:01:18.569 --> 00:01:22.340 with people that I initially met. you know, 15 00:01:22.340 --> 00:01:26.099 years ago in Hong Kong when I lived there and 00:01:26.099 --> 00:01:27.939 worked for a company called Juniper Networks 00:01:27.939 --> 00:01:31.500 and starting to do more live sessions like this, 00:01:31.540 --> 00:01:33.799 like LinkedIn live sessions, streaming sessions. 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:36.819 And we're talking about the importance of coaching. 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.519 We're talking about the importance of great leaders. 00:01:39.700 --> 00:01:44.189 And we're also talking about AI. and what's going 00:01:44.189 --> 00:01:47.689 on in the ai space which for me is just absolutely 00:01:47.689 --> 00:01:50.849 mind -blowingly fantastic right now with the 00:01:50.849 --> 00:01:53.069 amount of time that you know some of these ai 00:01:53.069 --> 00:01:56.480 tools are saving people on a day -to -day basis. 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.640 And we're just expanding our horizons every single 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.959 day with every single prompt that we put into 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:05.819 any AI tool that we might be using at this particular 00:02:05.819 --> 00:02:08.280 point in time, I believe. And I just think the 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:10.879 AI tools that are being created right now are 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.539 just getting better and better and better. So 00:02:13.539 --> 00:02:16.180 I've been really excited to kind of really dive 00:02:16.180 --> 00:02:20.520 into my old relationships, revamping, revitalizing 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.300 those relationships, relying on the friendships, 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:26.780 work friendships that I've had. in the past while 00:02:26.780 --> 00:02:29.759 kind of expanding my knowledge my experience 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:34.780 in the ai world yeah that's great so so what 00:02:34.780 --> 00:02:38.479 i heard you say is there's uh your what feels 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:42.199 good in your life is reconnecting and bringing 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:44.560 some energy to those those relationships in your 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:48.319 life um and that is so important because when 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:51.900 we think about it and i really invite our listeners 00:02:51.900 --> 00:02:54.219 to really consider this what i'm about to say 00:02:54.219 --> 00:02:58.780 is that Life is always happening in relationship. 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:03.379 Right. Period. Like you and I are in a relationship 00:03:03.379 --> 00:03:06.219 right now. Now, before you hopped on this call, 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.680 I was still in relationship. Relationship with 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.800 what? Well, I'm in a relationship with the chair 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:13.819 I'm sitting on. Like if I bring my attention 00:03:13.819 --> 00:03:17.000 to it, I notice there's like, oh, I'm sitting 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:20.139 in this chair. I'm typing on this keyboard. If 00:03:20.139 --> 00:03:24.479 I look over to my right at the lamp. i'm suddenly 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:26.939 in relationship with that lamp life is always 00:03:26.939 --> 00:03:30.099 occurring in relationship and so what i love 00:03:30.099 --> 00:03:33.639 about what you said is what would happen if we 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.319 maybe we became intentional about the relationships 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.180 we're in if we became really intentional about 00:03:40.180 --> 00:03:42.699 the energy that we're bringing to them uh uh 00:03:42.699 --> 00:03:45.340 you know what what could what might be possible 00:03:45.340 --> 00:03:48.539 if we just raised our awareness of that right 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.780 yeah absolutely and and raise our awareness of 00:03:51.780 --> 00:03:54.219 how we are being impacted by those objects or 00:03:54.219 --> 00:03:57.039 things or people or relationships but more importantly 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:00.620 how we are impacting other people yeah or how 00:04:00.620 --> 00:04:03.180 we are impacting our environment in the most 00:04:03.180 --> 00:04:06.080 positive of ways because i truly believe that 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.340 you know what are we in life if not the impact 00:04:08.340 --> 00:04:12.580 we have on other people in particular so focusing 00:04:12.580 --> 00:04:15.620 on having the most positive impact on people 00:04:15.620 --> 00:04:19.589 things circumstances our environment is um just 00:04:19.589 --> 00:04:22.250 so so important and i think it's a choice that 00:04:22.250 --> 00:04:25.209 we can make every single day i just got goosebumps 00:04:25.209 --> 00:04:30.610 and i'll tell you why um yeah because this is 00:04:30.610 --> 00:04:34.889 this is such uh an exciting question and i love 00:04:34.889 --> 00:04:37.910 it when people go deep with me and so again i 00:04:37.910 --> 00:04:40.730 want to ask our our listeners to really like 00:04:40.730 --> 00:04:43.550 just pay attention to what she just said she's 00:04:43.550 --> 00:04:46.610 and get curious and this is an opportunity to 00:04:46.610 --> 00:04:50.439 get curious What kind of impact are you making 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:55.420 in your relationships with other people? What 00:04:55.420 --> 00:04:58.279 kind of relation, what kind of impact? I mean, 00:04:58.339 --> 00:05:02.079 take a moment and answer that for yourself. Am 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:06.399 I being a source of kindness? Is my impact kindness? 00:05:06.500 --> 00:05:09.720 Is my impact contribution? Is my impact a sense 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:13.819 of levity? Is my impact a sense of hope? Is my 00:05:13.819 --> 00:05:18.649 impact a sense of positivity? Or not. Right. 00:05:18.810 --> 00:05:22.550 Like answer that question. And and if you don't 00:05:22.550 --> 00:05:25.470 care for the answer, this is your opportunity 00:05:25.470 --> 00:05:29.069 to get curious, like what's driving that and 00:05:29.069 --> 00:05:33.629 what what do I want my impact to be in my relationships? 00:05:33.790 --> 00:05:36.889 Love that question. Thank you so much for bringing 00:05:36.889 --> 00:05:40.300 that to the table. Absolutely. This came to the 00:05:40.300 --> 00:05:42.959 fore for me when a dear friend of mine passed 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.180 away five months shy of his 50th birthday, Fletcher, 00:05:46.220 --> 00:05:48.519 and it was a really difficult time for me to 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:51.579 go through. But you come through these things 00:05:51.579 --> 00:05:54.899 at the end of the day, and that's what my relationship 00:05:54.899 --> 00:06:00.000 with this particular person left me. And I truly 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.259 believe that the impact that we have on other 00:06:02.259 --> 00:06:04.639 people is within our control. You know, we just 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:07.699 need to be a little bit more thoughtful about 00:06:07.699 --> 00:06:11.720 it every single day in, you know, every single 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.839 way. And to your point, get curious and ask ourselves, 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:19.759 what impact are we having? And what if we're 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.100 not happy with the answer? What might I do to 00:06:22.100 --> 00:06:27.699 change that impact for the positive? Our relationships. 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:29.759 to get back to what we were originally talking 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.079 about, in my opinion, are one of the most important 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.800 things in life. And not only with family, you 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:39.339 know, family's important, but for me it's been 00:06:39.339 --> 00:06:43.680 the friendships, my friends, that I've managed 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:48.339 to be very appreciative and grateful for over 00:06:48.339 --> 00:06:52.379 the time and to never, ever, ever take that for 00:06:52.379 --> 00:06:58.110 granted, ever. Oh, gosh. That is such a good, 00:06:58.110 --> 00:07:01.470 good point. And, um, well, we are just, we're 00:07:01.470 --> 00:07:04.490 just going to take some sidebars here because 00:07:04.490 --> 00:07:07.589 this is so rich. Um, um, when you mentioned that 00:07:07.589 --> 00:07:11.810 about friendships, I heard a podcast recently 00:07:11.810 --> 00:07:14.889 and the topic was called, it was, it was oriented 00:07:14.889 --> 00:07:19.089 for men and it was, the topic was where have 00:07:19.089 --> 00:07:23.250 all my male friendships gone? Right. And, uh, 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.680 It was such a wonderful podcast episode. This 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:29.579 guy was so just articulate and so vulnerable. 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:32.759 It was really refreshing. But one of the things 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:35.519 he said about his friends was that I'd never 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:39.839 really considered this. He said, you know, we 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.579 all have friendships in our life. And if you 00:07:42.579 --> 00:07:45.060 remember early on when you were developing friends 00:07:45.060 --> 00:07:48.959 as a kid, it was more than a friendship. It was 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:52.040 a love. It was a love there. There was love. 00:07:53.100 --> 00:07:56.699 you loved your friends like it wasn't it may 00:07:56.699 --> 00:07:59.620 not have been a romantic um love but you were 00:07:59.620 --> 00:08:02.279 in love with them i mean and i remember that 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.519 that feeling like i couldn't wait to be with 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:06.939 my my buddies you know i couldn't wait to get 00:08:06.939 --> 00:08:10.720 home drop my my books off and run back outdoors 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:14.939 i loved being with them i loved my my friends 00:08:14.939 --> 00:08:18.519 i loved my friends and so these relationships 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:22.910 are so important because consider just to be 00:08:22.910 --> 00:08:26.129 open up to the possibility that I'm actually 00:08:26.129 --> 00:08:30.509 in love with these people, right? Sometimes we 00:08:30.509 --> 00:08:33.389 say it, sometimes we don't. Yes, exactly, right? 00:08:33.490 --> 00:08:35.269 And sometimes we say it, sometimes we don't. 00:08:35.269 --> 00:08:38.870 And, you know, and men are a little more shy 00:08:38.870 --> 00:08:41.330 about it, you know, if I'm going to paint with 00:08:41.330 --> 00:08:44.570 a broad brush. But anyways, yes, so friendships, 00:08:44.850 --> 00:08:49.490 they're so rich. So, yeah, really, really. We 00:08:49.490 --> 00:08:51.549 want to get curious about like, yeah, am I feeding, 00:08:51.549 --> 00:08:54.570 am I feeding that relationship? Exactly. You 00:08:54.570 --> 00:08:56.490 know, am I telling the people that I love that 00:08:56.490 --> 00:08:59.830 I love them? Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I know 00:08:59.830 --> 00:09:02.250 I get, I understand that from a male perspective, 00:09:02.309 --> 00:09:05.490 that can be a little bit challenging at times, 00:09:05.549 --> 00:09:08.129 but it's something that I try and do every time 00:09:08.129 --> 00:09:12.029 I leave any conversation that I have, because 00:09:12.029 --> 00:09:14.389 it's important. And you never know when you might 00:09:14.389 --> 00:09:16.750 have a last conversation with someone, as I found 00:09:16.750 --> 00:09:20.389 out quite. And the relationships that I think 00:09:20.389 --> 00:09:22.470 we have and we build over time are part of our 00:09:22.470 --> 00:09:25.049 legacy as a human being. You know, that's what 00:09:25.049 --> 00:09:27.470 we will leave behind when we leave this earth. 00:09:27.730 --> 00:09:32.009 And, you know, I like to ask the question sometimes 00:09:32.009 --> 00:09:36.190 in my programs, you know, how if people are thinking 00:09:36.190 --> 00:09:40.009 about you, if they hear your name in conversation 00:09:40.009 --> 00:09:43.649 or what's the first word that might come to mind 00:09:43.649 --> 00:09:46.850 for them about you? Yeah. Or what do you want 00:09:46.850 --> 00:09:50.929 it to be? Yeah. You know, and start leaving that 00:09:50.929 --> 00:09:55.529 kind of impression with people because you are 00:09:55.529 --> 00:09:58.350 leaving a legacy in everything you do and every 00:09:58.350 --> 00:10:01.669 experience that you create with and for other 00:10:01.669 --> 00:10:05.690 people. And it's really important. I think we 00:10:05.690 --> 00:10:08.470 take it for granted sometimes. So let's not do 00:10:08.470 --> 00:10:11.269 that anymore. Yeah, that's right. What we're 00:10:11.269 --> 00:10:13.730 talking about here, folks, is bringing intention 00:10:13.730 --> 00:10:17.190 to our relationships. Yes, definitely. Yeah. 00:10:17.269 --> 00:10:21.710 Yeah. Love that. Well, Joanne, let's introduce 00:10:21.710 --> 00:10:27.750 you. You are Joanne Merrick. Your brand is The 00:10:27.750 --> 00:10:31.669 Leadership Recipe. And what I'd like to hear 00:10:31.669 --> 00:10:34.090 from you now is because we are on Vision Pros. 00:10:34.750 --> 00:10:39.720 What's your vision? Yes, my vision. I guess this 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.539 is part of the legacy conversation as well. So 00:10:42.539 --> 00:10:44.659 having worked in management and leadership development 00:10:44.659 --> 00:10:48.720 now across five continents, 22 countries, I was 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:50.559 born in Australia, if folks are wondering what 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:53.759 my accent is. I've lived in Australia, obviously, 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.139 in Hong Kong for three and a half years and now 00:10:56.139 --> 00:10:59.779 based in the US. And working in the management 00:10:59.779 --> 00:11:02.100 and leadership space, I think the role of a manager 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:04.759 is becoming more, and leader, you know, I use 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:07.399 the term kind of together, although the skills 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.840 associated with them can be very different. But 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:15.200 I would like to think that managers and leaders 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:19.360 take their roles so much more seriously than 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:22.379 they do now or they ever have in the past in 00:11:22.379 --> 00:11:24.940 terms of the impact that they're having on other 00:11:24.940 --> 00:11:28.269 folks. And ideally, obviously, the people that 00:11:28.269 --> 00:11:30.669 work for them or report directly to them, but 00:11:30.669 --> 00:11:33.590 also people that are their peers and maybe even 00:11:33.590 --> 00:11:35.470 their managers or their leaders that they're 00:11:35.470 --> 00:11:38.309 working with. And to be super conscious about 00:11:38.309 --> 00:11:42.090 the impact that they are having on those folks. 00:11:42.330 --> 00:11:46.389 I think that the relationship between a manager 00:11:46.389 --> 00:11:49.250 and their direct report is absolutely underestimated 00:11:49.250 --> 00:11:52.330 in terms of the impact that it can have, particularly 00:11:52.330 --> 00:11:56.779 on the direct report. And my vision is to create 00:11:56.779 --> 00:12:00.500 a world where managers are much more aware of 00:12:00.500 --> 00:12:02.340 the impact that they have on other people and 00:12:02.340 --> 00:12:05.139 start to do more of what they really can do to 00:12:05.139 --> 00:12:09.480 have a more positive impact, to take a more positive 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:13.000 approach. And that starts with what I wrote my 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.440 book about, which is called Game On, Is Management 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:18.500 Your Best Career Play? And that's about helping 00:12:18.500 --> 00:12:21.539 folks make a more conscious decision to step 00:12:21.539 --> 00:12:24.840 into the world of management rather than the 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:27.779 typical trustful exercise that exists today where 00:12:27.779 --> 00:12:29.960 people get promoted into a role that they have 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:33.960 no idea what it entails other than from what 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:35.740 the experience that they've had as being managed 00:12:35.740 --> 00:12:38.559 themselves. So my vision in a perfect world. 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:42.320 is that such an important relationship between 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:45.639 manager and direct report is seen as a much more 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.360 significant one with much more awareness of the 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:50.600 impact that each have on each other particularly 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:53.379 managers on their direct reports and to make 00:12:53.379 --> 00:12:56.419 it so much more positive and so much more engaging 00:12:56.419 --> 00:13:02.539 as a result yeah such a great uh vision and such 00:13:02.539 --> 00:13:06.679 an important topic what i heard you say is your 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:13.100 vision is to to empower managers to raise their 00:13:13.100 --> 00:13:16.980 awareness of the influence that they currently 00:13:16.980 --> 00:13:22.139 have and and can have um and this is so important 00:13:22.139 --> 00:13:28.080 because the experience of your life i mean wherever 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.759 you are in your life the experience of your life 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:37.080 is 100 percent reliant on your level of awareness 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:40.460 Yes. Right. You are only going to experience 00:13:40.460 --> 00:13:45.779 that which you are aware of. And so so if we 00:13:45.779 --> 00:13:50.779 want to see significant gains in our impact in 00:13:50.779 --> 00:13:54.080 the quality of our relationships and what is 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.919 possible, then we have to begin to intentionally 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:00.720 raise our awareness. Now, so I really appreciate 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:05.120 that. Now, some people listening might be thinking, 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:07.909 well, I. Okay, that's great. I kind of get it, 00:14:07.929 --> 00:14:15.590 you know, theoretically. Right. But how would 00:14:15.590 --> 00:14:19.590 you suggest that I bring intention to raising 00:14:19.590 --> 00:14:24.450 or expanding my awareness? We have to be curious. 00:14:24.990 --> 00:14:30.690 We have to be asking more questions. especially 00:14:30.690 --> 00:14:33.450 as managers. Like, how did that meeting go for 00:14:33.450 --> 00:14:36.250 you? What went well? What could I have done differently? 00:14:36.950 --> 00:14:40.070 Maybe not every one -on -one, but every few one 00:14:40.070 --> 00:14:44.470 -on -ones, you know, show some curiosity about 00:14:44.470 --> 00:14:47.610 how am I as your manager? I want to learn. I 00:14:47.610 --> 00:14:49.169 want to get better as your manager, like being 00:14:49.169 --> 00:14:53.110 humble enough to acknowledge. that there is an 00:14:53.110 --> 00:14:57.889 element of esteem or there's an element of authority 00:14:57.889 --> 00:15:01.490 that comes with that role. And with that authority, 00:15:01.769 --> 00:15:04.409 with that esteem, comes a responsibility for 00:15:04.409 --> 00:15:06.370 you to be curious as to how you can get better 00:15:06.370 --> 00:15:09.409 and how you can, to your point, become more self 00:15:09.409 --> 00:15:11.909 -aware around the impact that we're having on 00:15:11.909 --> 00:15:15.210 other people. You know, sometimes there's a gap 00:15:15.210 --> 00:15:18.289 between the intention behind a behavior or what 00:15:18.289 --> 00:15:20.629 we've said or how we've said it and the actual 00:15:20.629 --> 00:15:23.230 impact that that behavior or what we've said 00:15:23.230 --> 00:15:25.190 or how we've said it has had on another person. 00:15:25.899 --> 00:15:28.139 And if there's a huge gap between our intent 00:15:28.139 --> 00:15:30.740 and the impact that we're actually having, we 00:15:30.740 --> 00:15:33.940 need to be aware of that. The equation is that 00:15:33.940 --> 00:15:38.259 our intent needs to equal our impact in order 00:15:38.259 --> 00:15:41.220 to have effective communication and to become 00:15:41.220 --> 00:15:44.399 better managers every day. And the complexity 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:47.299 associated with this lecture is that we are all 00:15:47.299 --> 00:15:50.080 running on a treadmill. We are going at a million 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:53.320 miles an hour to get results, to get outcomes, 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:56.659 to get our job done. And people are struggling 00:15:56.659 --> 00:16:00.519 with this element of their relationships. And 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.179 it is so important because just if we took a 00:16:03.179 --> 00:16:06.879 little bit of time out to spend looking into 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:10.720 these areas as managers and as leaders, we could 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.820 excel the outcome. We could excel in our results. 00:16:13.980 --> 00:16:17.779 We can excel in our relationships and obviously 00:16:17.779 --> 00:16:22.820 make the better everything and everyone around 00:16:22.820 --> 00:16:27.190 us. And I truly... I truly believe that. And 00:16:27.190 --> 00:16:30.149 on the converse side of that, I've just seen 00:16:30.149 --> 00:16:34.350 so much damage personally and professionally 00:16:34.350 --> 00:16:38.330 to some of these relationships between managers 00:16:38.330 --> 00:16:40.629 and their direct reports that are life -changing, 00:16:40.830 --> 00:16:45.889 that are lifelong. And I think we need to take 00:16:45.889 --> 00:16:48.289 the role a lot more seriously than what we... 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:51.279 than what we are i think organizations need to 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.759 take the role much more seriously and i know 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.200 some great companies offer fantastic training 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:59.539 associated with how to be a great manager but 00:16:59.539 --> 00:17:02.200 my research suggests that a lot of people are 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:04.140 promoted to the role of manager around about 00:17:04.140 --> 00:17:07.740 the age of 28 to 30 but they don't actually attend 00:17:07.740 --> 00:17:11.079 any formal training until their their early 40s 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:16.279 they go over a decade struggling and impacting 00:17:17.339 --> 00:17:20.700 in sometimes the most negative of ways only to 00:17:20.700 --> 00:17:22.980 find out you know way too late when the damage 00:17:22.980 --> 00:17:25.579 is done and i'm i just don't that that damage 00:17:25.579 --> 00:17:32.240 is just too significant and yeah we need to step 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.500 up and and change and change yes it's too important 00:17:37.349 --> 00:17:41.210 So much good stuff you just touched on. And this 00:17:41.210 --> 00:17:42.970 last thing you're talking about, you know, is 00:17:42.970 --> 00:17:44.890 commonly referred to as the Peter's principle, 00:17:45.049 --> 00:17:49.230 right? Where a person is promoted out of matter 00:17:49.230 --> 00:17:53.730 of course, but not necessarily because they're 00:17:53.730 --> 00:17:55.730 the best person for the role. It's just like 00:17:55.730 --> 00:17:57.869 they're either next in line or this seems like 00:17:57.869 --> 00:18:01.349 what should be next, but without the training, 00:18:01.529 --> 00:18:06.670 right? And then they only can manage at... at 00:18:06.670 --> 00:18:10.029 their lowest I mean at the at the quality that 00:18:10.029 --> 00:18:13.529 they have which is no training right or minimal 00:18:13.529 --> 00:18:17.009 training and so there's this revolving door frequently 00:18:17.009 --> 00:18:19.450 for managers and then the and the person who's 00:18:19.450 --> 00:18:21.170 hiring the manager is like god we're just we 00:18:21.170 --> 00:18:24.009 just can't find anybody good no no it's that 00:18:24.009 --> 00:18:26.710 we haven't we haven't set them up for success 00:18:26.710 --> 00:18:29.869 right so coming back I want to highlight a few 00:18:29.869 --> 00:18:31.450 of the things you mentioned because I want our 00:18:31.450 --> 00:18:34.930 viewers to really get this gold we asked the 00:18:34.930 --> 00:18:38.710 question How do we intentionally, if we all agree, 00:18:38.849 --> 00:18:42.609 first of all, that if we want to experience greater 00:18:42.609 --> 00:18:46.450 breadth in our life and life is the sum of our 00:18:46.450 --> 00:18:50.170 awareness, then to do that, we raise our awareness 00:18:50.170 --> 00:18:52.029 intentionally. How do we do that? And he said, 00:18:52.109 --> 00:18:56.470 we get curious. We begin asking questions and 00:18:56.470 --> 00:19:03.130 really, if you really want to grow quickly, welcome 00:19:03.130 --> 00:19:08.640 feedback. ask for feedback be humble yes like 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:12.220 the fastest way to grow is to to for people to 00:19:12.220 --> 00:19:14.980 ask the hard questions like where can i improve 00:19:14.980 --> 00:19:19.859 right what what do you perceive as um some of 00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:22.559 my weaknesses or or stumbling blocks help you 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:25.420 know give me that feedback when i started you 00:19:25.420 --> 00:19:27.480 know for much of my life i was just committed 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:31.119 to being right um you know we all love being 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:35.279 right right and and and when i realized how much 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:43.440 it was hurting me i made a commitment to start 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:45.980 pointing out when i was wrong when i didn't know 00:19:45.980 --> 00:19:49.400 the answer and just taking responsibility so 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.759 in my i'm thinking of a particular uh company 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:54.880 that i used to work at i mean at company meetings 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.420 when they would say like who did this i mean 00:19:57.420 --> 00:19:59.740 i would just be like could have been me oh that 00:19:59.740 --> 00:20:02.880 was probably me or like Or if somebody asked 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.160 me a question like, gosh, you know, I think it's 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.720 this, but I've been wrong so many times. Let 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:09.720 me double check or let's bounce it off somebody 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.539 else. Or if I was wrong, like, oh, yeah, that 00:20:12.539 --> 00:20:16.039 was me. I just own it. And I became really comfortable 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:20.160 with owning where I was wrong, made a mistake. 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.000 And I'm telling you, Joanne, that was freeing. 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:28.140 Yeah. Right. It didn't feel like it at the time. 00:20:28.220 --> 00:20:30.500 But now in my life, when I could just be like, 00:20:30.579 --> 00:20:32.750 oh, yeah, that was me. Yeah, I make mistakes. 00:20:33.130 --> 00:20:35.690 Yeah, like it's so there's so much freedom there. 00:20:35.789 --> 00:20:40.230 So get curious, welcome feedback and and get 00:20:40.230 --> 00:20:44.069 familiar with your vision. Know what your vision 00:20:44.069 --> 00:20:46.930 is, you know, become familiar with it. So it's 00:20:46.930 --> 00:20:49.930 so you start living into it. And then you and 00:20:49.930 --> 00:20:53.230 I love what you said. I can't remember the exact 00:20:53.230 --> 00:20:55.589 words, but you're talking about managers being 00:20:55.589 --> 00:20:59.269 impactful, effective. And I think if you're a 00:20:59.269 --> 00:21:02.059 manager. some of the three of the things you 00:21:02.059 --> 00:21:04.480 can continue to ask yourself if you really want 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:09.720 to grow does my team feel heard right do they 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:15.099 feel heard and if you don't know the answer to 00:21:15.099 --> 00:21:18.380 that then i invite you to like really focus on 00:21:18.380 --> 00:21:20.900 that the way you know if a person feels heard 00:21:20.900 --> 00:21:24.279 or not is that you're parroting back to them 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:26.940 what you just heard them say using their words 00:21:26.940 --> 00:21:29.380 you know right and so they're gonna you you should 00:21:29.380 --> 00:21:32.200 be able to at least repeat back what you just 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:34.700 heard so they feel they have the experience of 00:21:34.700 --> 00:21:38.240 being heard do they feel supported and finally 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:43.359 do they feel safe yep right so these three things 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:46.059 are the the the fundamentals of building this 00:21:46.059 --> 00:21:49.930 thing called trust Absolutely. Absolutely. Right. 00:21:50.529 --> 00:21:53.150 So I'd like to take that one step further. I'd 00:21:53.150 --> 00:21:54.930 like to take that one step further. And I hope 00:21:54.930 --> 00:21:57.029 I've got a little background noise. So I hope 00:21:57.029 --> 00:21:59.529 that's not too distracting. I'm not hearing it. 00:22:00.150 --> 00:22:05.690 Making other people feel relevant. You know, 00:22:05.710 --> 00:22:09.470 having a sense like valued, appreciated, understood, 00:22:09.630 --> 00:22:13.950 you know, is all important in building trust. 00:22:14.549 --> 00:22:18.240 But for me, the word relevance. And this gets 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:21.299 back to our friendships too, you know, as well. 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:24.359 And I think to your point around before when 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:26.339 you said there's a love there, there's that strength 00:22:26.339 --> 00:22:29.039 of a relationship there that we can call love. 00:22:29.940 --> 00:22:34.039 You know, I like to ensure that other people 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:37.500 feel relevant in my life and I like to feel relevant 00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:41.799 in their lives as well. You know, I was listening 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:44.880 to a podcast myself the other day and they were 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:50.519 talking about tribal dynamics. And even one of 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:53.140 the three -year -old children in the tribe feels 00:22:53.140 --> 00:22:57.279 relevant because he or her have been tasked with 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:01.140 looking after the goats that give the milk to 00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:03.880 the tribe, you know, even as a three -year -old 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:07.980 to feel relevant. And I think that is a very, 00:23:08.099 --> 00:23:12.019 I don't know, maybe misunderstood or less acknowledged 00:23:12.019 --> 00:23:18.420 word. because I think we all like to feel relevant 00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:23.319 and if managers thought to themselves or we think 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:25.559 to ourselves in terms of our relationships with 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:28.519 other people how might I be making other people 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:32.160 feel relevant in my life right now and that might 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:34.920 be showing some appreciation it might be thanking 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:37.980 them for something it might be asking them for 00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:42.500 help Because we all love to help other people. 00:23:42.579 --> 00:23:45.519 There's a neuroscience associated with the importance 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.839 of that. If someone comes to me asking me for 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.000 my help in something, if I can do it, I'll absolutely 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:53.240 love to do it. And I'll feel relevant and important 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.559 in their lives as well. So, you know, there's 00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:01.779 a multi -dynamic going on here. And I would really 00:24:01.779 --> 00:24:05.059 love to, maybe that's my vision, Fletcher, is 00:24:05.059 --> 00:24:08.559 for everybody to feel relevant. no matter where 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:12.579 you are or what you're doing in your life. That's 00:24:12.579 --> 00:24:15.140 beautiful. Yeah. That is beautiful. Thank you 00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:17.440 for helping me bring that out. I appreciate it. 00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:21.720 Yeah, that is absolutely beautiful. I love that. 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:28.619 Imagine, imagine if everybody really, truly felt 00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:31.160 like they were relevant, like they mattered. 00:24:31.500 --> 00:24:36.940 Yeah. Right. Ah, that's gorgeous. Gosh, so much 00:24:36.940 --> 00:24:39.359 good stuff. I hope you all are enjoying this 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.460 conversation as much as I am, because this is 00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:46.180 why I love podcasting. We get to connect with 00:24:46.180 --> 00:24:49.720 people all around the globe who are being a source 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:53.299 of contribution, who are raising the bar for 00:24:53.299 --> 00:24:59.180 really intentional living. So love this conversation. 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:04.819 We're just about up against our time here. Would 00:25:04.819 --> 00:25:07.839 you do me a favor, Joanne, and let people know 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.700 how they can connect with you, how they can get 00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:14.299 a copy of your book, and maybe there's some managers 00:25:14.299 --> 00:25:17.619 listening who are like, dang, man, we really 00:25:17.619 --> 00:25:20.839 need to bring this person in, like get some clarification 00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.420 in our own culture going. What's the best way 00:25:23.420 --> 00:25:25.960 to get a hold of you? Thank you. Yeah, so just 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:30.480 Joanne. J -O -A -N -N -E. I know it's not a very 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.019 common name. People often ask me, how do I spell 00:25:33.019 --> 00:25:36.599 that? At theleadershiprecipe .com. My website 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.680 is theleadershiprecipe .com as well. And my book 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:43.619 is available on Amazon and its title is Game 00:25:43.619 --> 00:25:46.759 On, Is Management Your Best Career Play? And 00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:48.960 it's designed to kind of really help folks make 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.640 an intentional decision to become managers by 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.900 detailing... all of what they need to know before 00:25:55.900 --> 00:25:58.740 making such a pivotal and important career decision. 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.460 And I'd love to connect with folks on LinkedIn 00:26:01.460 --> 00:26:04.119 as well. If you're listening, please do reach 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:06.579 out to me on LinkedIn. I do a lot of posts day 00:26:06.579 --> 00:26:10.380 to day. And I also do a weekly LinkedIn live 00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:13.880 session talking about AI and coaching as well. 00:26:14.019 --> 00:26:17.579 So I'd love to connect with you. Right on. So 00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:21.789 good. So good to have you on the show. Let's 00:26:21.789 --> 00:26:23.930 see here. And you said, oh yeah, there is also 00:26:23.930 --> 00:26:27.690 some sort of assessment tool on your website. 00:26:27.769 --> 00:26:30.670 Is that accurate? Yes, there is. In my book, 00:26:30.730 --> 00:26:33.289 I detail an assessment that folks can complete 00:26:33.289 --> 00:26:36.990 to determine whether management is the right 00:26:36.990 --> 00:26:41.190 thing for them now or at some point in the future. 00:26:41.609 --> 00:26:45.089 And I created that using an AI tool, which was 00:26:45.089 --> 00:26:48.789 fun to create myself. And it's available on my 00:26:48.789 --> 00:26:51.549 website. And there's also a 360 element associated 00:26:51.549 --> 00:26:54.589 with that too. So you can send a link out to 00:26:54.589 --> 00:26:57.589 other people to get their determination as to 00:26:57.589 --> 00:26:59.849 where you're at as it relates to some of the 00:26:59.849 --> 00:27:02.630 skills that I've identified in my book that are 00:27:02.630 --> 00:27:04.710 important for becoming great managers as well. 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.460 That's that kind of self -awareness element that 00:27:07.460 --> 00:27:09.240 I built into that lecture that we talked about 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:12.160 earlier. It's not just what I think. You know, 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:13.940 it's really important to be open to what other 00:27:13.940 --> 00:27:15.880 people think as well. So I built that into the 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:17.900 tool. So that's a free tool that's available 00:27:17.900 --> 00:27:20.319 from my website. And I would love to connect 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.259 with folks if they do do the tool. Give me some 00:27:22.259 --> 00:27:26.160 feedback on how that went for them. And I would 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.740 love to continue the conversation. Right on. 00:27:29.220 --> 00:27:32.509 Well, thank you so much, Joanne. The website 00:27:32.509 --> 00:27:36.390 is theleadershiprecipe .com. Joanne Merrick is 00:27:36.390 --> 00:27:40.390 the author, speaker, and coach. Reach out, get 00:27:40.390 --> 00:27:43.369 in touch, and now it's time for you all to get 00:27:43.369 --> 00:27:46.029 out there, be a source of kindness, be a source 00:27:46.029 --> 00:27:47.930 of contribution. You do have something to offer 00:27:47.930 --> 00:27:51.000 this world, and I believe in you. We'll see you 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.599 next time here on Vision Pros. Thank you for 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:55.579 being here today. I'm really happy that you tuned 00:27:55.579 --> 00:27:57.900 in to Vision Pros Live. I'm looking forward to 00:27:57.900 --> 00:28:01.180 seeing your reactions as these episodes continue 00:28:01.180 --> 00:28:02.940 to move forward. This is going to get more and 00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:05.000 more fun. We'll have more and more engagement 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.079 as well. We'll invite people to participate in 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.259 the show. And thank you for giving us your time 00:28:09.259 --> 00:28:11.519 and attention. Have an excellent time building 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.880 out your vision and becoming a vision pro yourself.