WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.339 I'm not a big titles person, you know, I mean, 00:00:02.359 --> 00:00:05.980 but they do, they, they do, you know, they resonate 00:00:05.980 --> 00:00:08.839 with people. They do. So they give people context. 00:00:09.300 --> 00:00:11.779 Yeah. They're, they're valuable. They're valuable. 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:14.380 Yeah. Father, you know, matters to some people 00:00:14.380 --> 00:00:17.480 on my side. That's not a bad one. I, and probably 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:19.480 that's the thing I'm the most proudest of is, 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:23.039 is my son and, and kind of raising him, which 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:25.100 I love. So that's awesome, man. How old is your 00:00:25.100 --> 00:00:28.809 son? David is now turning up some light over 00:00:28.809 --> 00:00:33.009 here a little bit. David is now 11 years old 00:00:33.009 --> 00:00:36.869 and just an amazing kid and into basketball. 00:00:36.909 --> 00:00:38.929 I coached his basketball team this year. We went 00:00:38.929 --> 00:00:42.170 all the way to the championship game. Unfortunately, 00:00:42.390 --> 00:00:45.390 we were beat in the championship game. It was 00:00:45.390 --> 00:00:48.350 a tough team, but the road there was like straight 00:00:48.350 --> 00:00:51.850 out of the final fours. I mean, we won. Yeah, 00:00:51.990 --> 00:00:54.530 no, it was so cool. We won a game with six seconds 00:00:54.530 --> 00:00:58.750 left. son actually got fouled and sunk both his 00:00:58.750 --> 00:01:01.149 free throws and we tied the game so all right 00:01:01.149 --> 00:01:04.010 yeah we got a ball there we're ready we just 00:01:04.010 --> 00:01:06.870 shifted the whole theme of this podcast to basketball 00:01:06.870 --> 00:01:11.129 i love basketball i grew up killing it in basketball 00:01:11.129 --> 00:01:12.950 i love basketball and now i've gotten a little 00:01:12.950 --> 00:01:14.670 older my joints can't handle it so it's fun to 00:01:14.670 --> 00:01:17.170 see my son do it you know i mean but that's i 00:01:17.170 --> 00:01:21.239 love it yeah That's my go -to sport. I mean, 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:23.060 I've played every sport, but, yes, this is – 00:01:23.060 --> 00:01:25.299 Oh, it's the best sport. We've got LeBron here. 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:29.120 Oh, do you really? Oh, yeah, breaking the record. 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.939 Yeah, I got – in my son's room, I got Michael 00:01:32.939 --> 00:01:37.200 Jordan. I got three of his pretty respectable 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:40.659 cards that when I was a kid, I collected them, 00:01:40.739 --> 00:01:45.980 and I held on to them, and I dug them up years 00:01:45.980 --> 00:01:49.420 later. And I was basically turning over my basketball 00:01:49.420 --> 00:01:51.040 cards to my son because he had started to get 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:52.859 got into it. And I'm like, OK, I'm going to give 00:01:52.859 --> 00:01:55.579 you mine. And I actually brought. When did you 00:01:55.579 --> 00:01:59.879 do that? I just gave my son. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 00:01:59.939 --> 00:02:02.379 Well, here's the fun part of it is like I did 00:02:02.379 --> 00:02:05.459 that. And this was like two or three years ago 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:08.000 when I was just getting into it. And I open them 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.620 up and I found Dominique Wilkins and I found, 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.340 you know, Spud. I think I may have had a Spud 00:02:13.340 --> 00:02:15.900 Webb and a John Sally and all these big names. 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:18.639 But I found three Jordan cards and the process 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:20.900 we were like going online. It's so easy nowadays. 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:22.639 You can go on your phone or whatever and go, 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:24.759 what's the value? What's the value? And I brought 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.060 up one of the Jordan cards and the value came 00:02:27.060 --> 00:02:29.120 up was like two hundred and twenty five dollars. 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:33.960 And I was like, oh, let me let me take that one 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:37.360 and save it for when you're a little older. And 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:41.000 I and now it's in a case and it hangs on in his 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:46.300 bedroom. But, yeah, no, I mean, I'm such a fan 00:02:46.300 --> 00:02:47.819 of basketball. I'm such a fan of basketball. 00:02:47.819 --> 00:02:49.560 Oh, me too. Well, I'm born and raised in San 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:52.699 Antonio. Oh, really? Oh, okay, yeah. I'm a huge 00:02:52.699 --> 00:02:56.759 basketball fan. Oh, yeah, the whole Spurs operation. 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.340 Don't, don't, don't. Robinson, there we go. There 00:03:00.340 --> 00:03:03.620 we go. I grew up in the David Robinson era. Sean 00:03:03.620 --> 00:03:07.000 Elliott, David Robinson. Yeah, now they're killing 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:08.919 it again. But David Robinson, remember when he 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:12.129 had the double roll socks? That was such a, that 00:03:12.129 --> 00:03:14.629 was such a kind of like him thing. Like it was 00:03:14.629 --> 00:03:17.090 a little silly, but it, but for him, he was so 00:03:17.090 --> 00:03:19.110 big, it worked, but he used to roll that double 00:03:19.110 --> 00:03:22.169 roll on his stocks. Yeah. Robinson was awesome. 00:03:22.250 --> 00:03:24.909 But yeah, that's our good team. I was a bad boy. 00:03:24.909 --> 00:03:28.729 I grew up in Detroit. So bad boys. And, and, 00:03:28.810 --> 00:03:32.129 and, and, and I, and an ironic twist of my life. 00:03:32.430 --> 00:03:35.310 You know, I grew up. fan of the bad boys my brother's 00:03:35.310 --> 00:03:37.150 actually high school team got to play a game 00:03:37.150 --> 00:03:39.030 on the pistons floor when they were playing in 00:03:39.030 --> 00:03:43.289 the silver dome in detroit and so i got to sat 00:03:43.289 --> 00:03:46.150 sit down there and watch him play and i was so 00:03:46.150 --> 00:03:49.330 enamored and then afterwards watch a game and 00:03:49.330 --> 00:03:52.650 of course the bad boys 89 90 they were epic um 00:03:52.650 --> 00:03:57.169 and so then uh full circle my career brought 00:03:57.169 --> 00:04:00.780 me back So this was, I don't know, this was a 00:04:00.780 --> 00:04:02.860 couple years ago. This was a decade ago now, 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.740 but I was working on a regular basis running 00:04:06.740 --> 00:04:09.759 into Joe Dumars, and then they had the 25th anniversary. 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:13.199 So I got to meet Bill Lambert. I got to be in 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:16.879 the same room as John Sally. I got to, you know, 00:04:16.899 --> 00:04:18.779 Rick Mahorn, I used to work with him directly. 00:04:19.459 --> 00:04:22.060 All the bad boys. I got to meet Isaiah Thomas. 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:26.139 The only one I didn't meet was the most notorious 00:04:26.139 --> 00:04:31.100 is Dennis Rodman. He didn't show up at the 25th 00:04:31.100 --> 00:04:33.019 anniversary, and that was kind of a bummer, but 00:04:33.019 --> 00:04:34.620 everyone else was there, and it was so cool. 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:37.540 So, yeah, that's funny. That came full circle. 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:39.319 But, yeah, I'm definitely with you. I have a 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:41.620 deep love. And, yeah, you're kind of checking 00:04:41.620 --> 00:04:44.339 out my site there. I'd done some work with the 00:04:44.339 --> 00:04:46.300 Pistons recently, and that was that one piece 00:04:46.300 --> 00:04:49.980 with Sadiq Bey, who was there for like a second. 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:51.920 These players move around quick nowadays sometimes. 00:04:53.139 --> 00:04:56.120 But, yeah, so that was a fun full circle. Oh, 00:04:56.139 --> 00:05:02.560 man. I love it. That's what I noticed. I was 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:03.800 looking at these reels and I was like, okay, 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:08.220 you got clips with some serious, serious rock 00:05:08.220 --> 00:05:10.220 stars in life, people who have really crushed 00:05:10.220 --> 00:05:18.199 it. These NHL players, NBA. It's not easy to 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:21.040 gain opportunities in those circles. You've got 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:22.899 to be doing something. You've got to be moving. 00:05:23.850 --> 00:05:25.990 be making things happen go ahead you got a different 00:05:25.990 --> 00:05:27.990 thought yeah no i mean i mean i mean i do think 00:05:27.990 --> 00:05:30.490 there's some for you know there's there's some 00:05:30.490 --> 00:05:33.670 good fortune i think it's a mix i think it's 00:05:33.670 --> 00:05:38.060 like um Man, I look at my life. I've been really 00:05:38.060 --> 00:05:40.360 blessed, to your point. I have been blessed. 00:05:40.420 --> 00:05:44.079 I can't take a lot of credit for it. I do think 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.740 I'm talented. I think I've been given some great 00:05:46.740 --> 00:05:51.240 gifts. I've been blessed. I could go into this 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:53.899 more. I don't know if you want to jump down this 00:05:53.899 --> 00:05:56.240 rabbit hole of some of my work in pro sports. 00:05:57.860 --> 00:06:00.980 You know, the story of the NHL, which was really 00:06:00.980 --> 00:06:03.279 my first lead into the – if you want to hear 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:05.060 that story, I'll tell you the story of the NHL, 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:08.339 how I kind of got my foot in the door. I'm following 00:06:08.339 --> 00:06:09.819 you because I don't know where we're going with 00:06:09.819 --> 00:06:13.480 this. I want to. We can wait. We can wait. I'll 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:16.220 follow you. Well, I'm just enjoying it. Yeah, 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:20.420 yeah. Sure, sure, sure. Well, let's bring you 00:06:20.420 --> 00:06:23.399 back. For one, like that, I'd love to, you know, 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:25.139 because I was looking at this is like, OK, director, 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:27.759 bio and real. You got these different promotions 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:32.519 with Dodge Ram. You know, you got people in here 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.240 who are obvious like life heroes, like Noah Galloway 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:39.439 commercials for big companies and Animal Planet. 00:06:39.579 --> 00:06:42.600 And so, again, I appreciate your humility on 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:44.959 that. You're blessed and fortunate. I won't disagree 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:49.899 with the blessing aspect, but I also won't downplay. 00:06:50.350 --> 00:06:52.310 what it takes to produce that quality of work 00:06:52.310 --> 00:06:55.550 um you know what what type of commitment is required 00:06:55.550 --> 00:07:00.110 and so your uh your whole processes inspire me 00:07:00.110 --> 00:07:02.449 because the whole purpose of vision pros is to 00:07:02.449 --> 00:07:05.410 inspire visionary leaders and really it's inspired 00:07:05.410 --> 00:07:07.529 people to a lot i'm hoping a lot of people for 00:07:07.529 --> 00:07:10.250 the first time are like you know what i have 00:07:10.250 --> 00:07:13.790 a vision and i want to bring it to life i i also 00:07:13.790 --> 00:07:15.949 like the detroit pistons i also have an 11 year 00:07:15.949 --> 00:07:18.939 old son you know i also would love to do work 00:07:18.939 --> 00:07:20.740 like that, or I'm working on my process. And 00:07:20.740 --> 00:07:23.420 the whole process is designed to inspire people 00:07:23.420 --> 00:07:25.819 to step into their own vision, to own it, to 00:07:25.819 --> 00:07:28.339 do it, to make it happen. So the whole story 00:07:28.339 --> 00:07:31.420 matters, Barry. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, for 00:07:31.420 --> 00:07:35.160 me, your term vision is similar to my probably 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:37.600 favorite term, which is dream, which I think 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:39.259 they're two in the same. You know, your visions 00:07:39.259 --> 00:07:42.259 and your dreams are very similar. It's acting 00:07:42.259 --> 00:07:47.259 upon them. it's acting upon them in a in taking 00:07:47.259 --> 00:07:49.660 the risks and kind of the profound moments of 00:07:49.660 --> 00:07:52.720 like facing your fears to make them into a reality 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.040 that is really the difference between someone 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:57.680 having a vision and not having a vision i mean 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:02.079 i i have uh i've i've kind of gone through life 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:06.279 haphazardly at some level really and that's the 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:08.879 truth i mean you know my start my story starts 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:11.959 you know After college, I didn't really know 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:13.879 what I wanted to do during college. I kind of 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:17.120 followed what I understood, what my parents kind 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.180 of projected on me and what I understood maybe 00:08:19.180 --> 00:08:21.819 might be my path based on my upbringing because 00:08:21.819 --> 00:08:24.560 I grew up in the countryside of Michigan, literally 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:28.220 in a pretty sheltered life. and a farm kind of 00:08:28.220 --> 00:08:32.620 a home village -esque i say hybrid because we 00:08:32.620 --> 00:08:34.700 didn't have an active farm but we my mom had 00:08:34.700 --> 00:08:37.539 sheeps and and we had chickens and ducks and 00:08:37.539 --> 00:08:41.340 you know and so it wasn't a working farm but 00:08:41.340 --> 00:08:43.220 my mom grew up a farmer girl and she wanted to 00:08:43.220 --> 00:08:46.000 pass on some of that to us but i grew up you 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.220 know super small town and pretty sheltered and 00:08:48.220 --> 00:08:51.889 and after college i just I saved up $2 ,000. 00:08:52.110 --> 00:08:55.450 I had a car that I had paid off of Pontiac Grand 00:08:55.450 --> 00:08:58.330 Am, and I drove out to California, to Los Angeles. 00:08:59.230 --> 00:09:04.210 I was with a dream in my pocket, literally. I 00:09:04.210 --> 00:09:08.389 think what I had on my side, and this to your 00:09:08.389 --> 00:09:10.590 point of if you have a vision, kind of how to 00:09:10.590 --> 00:09:14.429 act upon it, what I had on my side was a certain 00:09:14.429 --> 00:09:19.019 sense that if I had the idea, And I had this 00:09:19.019 --> 00:09:20.840 at a young age and I, and I actually think it's 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.080 profound and, and I'm fortunate. Some things 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.379 I was not fortunate to have, you know, I'm not 00:09:26.379 --> 00:09:29.620 the greatest in academia or a greatest student, 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:31.759 but, but things that the trade -off for that 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:33.779 was like, I had a certain amount of wisdom and 00:09:33.779 --> 00:09:36.700 awareness on how the universe works and a, and 00:09:36.700 --> 00:09:39.500 a continual observation. I genuinely believe 00:09:39.500 --> 00:09:42.779 that God will fulfill the desires of your heart. 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:44.539 That's just like something deep within me. And 00:09:44.539 --> 00:09:46.720 I, and I genuinely believe that you can call 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:49.159 God universe. you can call it what you want out 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:54.419 there i i but you're you are given you are given 00:09:54.419 --> 00:09:58.460 dreams and visions uh for a reason because by 00:09:58.460 --> 00:10:01.019 fulfilling them you're you have the capability 00:10:01.019 --> 00:10:03.320 to make the world a better place i genuinely 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:05.320 believe that because when you're doing what you 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:08.620 love you're giving back something that only you 00:10:08.620 --> 00:10:10.879 can give and you're giving it back with love 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:12.740 and with passion and when you're doing that you're 00:10:12.740 --> 00:10:15.980 everyone's winning right but you have but for 00:10:15.980 --> 00:10:18.529 me like the the the trade -off in that was like, 00:10:18.549 --> 00:10:20.269 as I, as I kind of went through this life, I 00:10:20.269 --> 00:10:22.169 didn't have a degree. I didn't go and study this 00:10:22.169 --> 00:10:24.809 stuff. I didn't have a clue what I was doing. 00:10:24.850 --> 00:10:28.139 I just moved out to California. And I just kind 00:10:28.139 --> 00:10:30.980 of had a belief that it would work out. And one 00:10:30.980 --> 00:10:33.879 contact that I'd had from college introduced 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.600 me and I worked my tail off. And that and on 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.039 that set, someone like ended up taking a liking 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:43.059 to me and that rolled into bigger opportunities. 00:10:43.179 --> 00:10:45.960 And and by the climax of my time in Hollywood, 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.039 I was working on sets with, you know, and they 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:50.820 were at the time they were huge names. And and. 00:10:52.069 --> 00:10:54.509 early 2000s which was will smith and jennifer 00:10:54.509 --> 00:10:58.129 uh lopez who are still big names but like not 00:10:58.129 --> 00:11:01.110 not what they were in that time you know and 00:11:01.110 --> 00:11:04.370 and the list kind of goes on but um and so that's 00:11:04.370 --> 00:11:06.070 kind of where the journey started but it started 00:11:06.070 --> 00:11:10.259 with me going i'm i'm gonna call liz who's a 00:11:10.259 --> 00:11:12.419 friend she introduced me someone i just busted 00:11:12.419 --> 00:11:15.480 my tail i remember working i worked in the ghostbusters 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.799 uh the where they filmed ghostbusters i worked 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.340 in the firehouse yeah the very first job i ever 00:11:22.340 --> 00:11:26.159 did i got paid 80 cash and i worked in the i 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:29.659 worked a 12 hour 14 hour day uh and i filmed 00:11:29.659 --> 00:11:32.039 in the in the and we filmed in the firehouse 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:33.960 for some commercial that we were doing and forget 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.580 what it was where they filmed Ghostbusters and 00:11:36.580 --> 00:11:38.320 they still had the fire pole that was running 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.820 down through the middle of, of the station. And 00:11:40.820 --> 00:11:43.240 it was, and it was a huge, it was a 20 foot fire 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:45.419 pole and it was so cool. And it was just kind 00:11:45.419 --> 00:11:47.080 of cool. And I knew that they had filmed there 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.299 and it just had this mystique about it. And that 00:11:49.299 --> 00:11:51.580 rolled into me shooting on, working on a Buster 00:11:51.580 --> 00:11:53.860 Rhymes commercial. And so I don't know if you, 00:11:53.860 --> 00:11:55.500 I don't know if you know, Buster Rhymes, Buster 00:11:55.500 --> 00:11:57.759 Rhymes, he's still kind of big. He's not as big, 00:11:57.860 --> 00:12:02.879 but he was big. You know, he had like just light. 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.220 And I just remember, I was working and I had 00:12:06.220 --> 00:12:09.139 no clue I was a PA, which means production assistant 00:12:09.139 --> 00:12:12.440 for people who are out there. And PA is basically 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:14.700 do whatever. And I had no clue that I needed 00:12:14.700 --> 00:12:17.340 to even report into the production trailer. That's 00:12:17.340 --> 00:12:19.519 how little I knew about production. I just knew 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:21.720 I needed to show up. And I didn't know I needed 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:23.659 to check into the production trailer. I just 00:12:23.659 --> 00:12:25.759 started walking around set asking people if they 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.539 needed help. So people who know film industry 00:12:28.539 --> 00:12:32.019 know that. that big film industry at this level, 00:12:32.059 --> 00:12:34.179 they function just like any corporation. There's 00:12:34.179 --> 00:12:36.100 the electrics, there's the grips, there's the 00:12:36.100 --> 00:12:38.379 director, there's the camera crew, there's the 00:12:38.379 --> 00:12:41.860 food and craft services, there's talent, location 00:12:41.860 --> 00:12:44.080 manager, and the list goes on. And they're very 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.500 separate entities and they're all paid separate. 00:12:46.740 --> 00:12:49.279 And so for some random PA from Michigan to be 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:50.559 running around, hey, you need help, you need 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.820 help, you need help. And everyone loved me for 00:12:53.820 --> 00:12:55.980 it. I didn't even know what I was doing. They 00:12:55.980 --> 00:13:00.860 loved me for it. And literally on the first set, 00:13:00.980 --> 00:13:03.279 I was just like, people were like, I remember 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:06.220 the guy rolling the dolly off of a camera truck. 00:13:06.340 --> 00:13:08.799 And I was like, I just came here. I've been in 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:10.919 Hollywood for two days, and I'm working on a 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.480 Busta Rhymes set. And he's like, dude, you are 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:15.779 the true Hollywood story. You know, that used 00:13:15.779 --> 00:13:18.419 to be a series back in the day. And so it just 00:13:18.419 --> 00:13:21.610 went from there. So that's kind of how my career 00:13:21.610 --> 00:13:24.669 started. But it was like a mix of just childish 00:13:24.669 --> 00:13:28.549 naivete, a willingness to do anything. And I 00:13:28.549 --> 00:13:31.110 grew up in the Midwest. I was farming on my uncle's 00:13:31.110 --> 00:13:33.330 farm when I was 12 years old, baling hay. So 00:13:33.330 --> 00:13:35.090 I wasn't afraid of a day's work. You know what 00:13:35.090 --> 00:13:38.049 I mean? A 12 -hour day sweating and busting tail 00:13:38.049 --> 00:13:39.669 and running around meant nothing to me. So I'm 00:13:39.669 --> 00:13:41.409 like, all right, let's do it. I like to work. 00:13:42.029 --> 00:13:44.590 And I think that really gave birth to, you know, 00:13:44.590 --> 00:13:46.730 going back to the original piece that we kind 00:13:46.730 --> 00:13:48.809 of launched this rant on, which was, you know, 00:13:48.830 --> 00:13:50.830 vision pros and fulfilling visions and carrying 00:13:50.830 --> 00:13:54.230 out visions. Like that's the that's the I think 00:13:54.230 --> 00:13:57.350 maybe the term I might want to use is the kinesthetics 00:13:57.350 --> 00:14:01.490 or like the action based, the kinetic piece of 00:14:01.490 --> 00:14:04.090 kind of like what it takes to turn that vision 00:14:04.090 --> 00:14:07.710 into a reality. It was for me and it's been a 00:14:07.710 --> 00:14:11.720 very successful path for me at some level. Oh, 00:14:11.779 --> 00:14:14.620 we just got a master class, visionaries. A huge 00:14:14.620 --> 00:14:16.620 one. I'm going to go back to the quote that I 00:14:16.620 --> 00:14:19.120 absolutely loved. You said, God will fulfill 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.039 the desires of your heart. I think that's huge. 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.100 And especially when you take action like you 00:14:24.100 --> 00:14:27.120 did. All of this hard work, grit, tenaciousness, 00:14:27.179 --> 00:14:29.480 the things that you were able to give that you 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:31.750 learn on the farm. and then continued to sustain 00:14:31.750 --> 00:14:34.629 throughout your career, it led to this amazing 00:14:34.629 --> 00:14:37.309 opportunity. And you now got the book, The Unknown 00:14:37.309 --> 00:14:39.710 Adventurer. So we're going to look for that on 00:14:39.710 --> 00:14:42.649 shelves for sure. I'm sure we can probably find 00:14:42.649 --> 00:14:45.190 that online as well. So we'll put the link into 00:14:45.190 --> 00:14:48.149 it. And we might use this as an episode. In case 00:14:48.149 --> 00:14:51.700 we do, I'll end with our official outro. vision 00:14:51.700 --> 00:14:53.919 pros you know if you guys have a vision you don't 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:56.100 have to have worked with Will Smith and Jennifer 00:14:56.100 --> 00:14:57.879 Lopez you don't have to have worked with the 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:00.360 NHL you might be at the very beginning stages 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.379 of believing and dreaming top right hand corner 00:15:03.379 --> 00:15:05.379 you'll see the button that says be our guest 00:15:05.950 --> 00:15:07.990 Come and share with us what you're up to and 00:15:07.990 --> 00:15:10.169 go check out Barry Walton and his book and what 00:15:10.169 --> 00:15:12.169 he's up to within this media. He's got some amazing 00:15:12.169 --> 00:15:14.429 projects under his belt. We will see you all 00:15:14.429 --> 00:15:16.409 on the next episode. Thank you for being here 00:15:16.409 --> 00:15:18.289 today. I'm really happy that you tuned in to 00:15:18.289 --> 00:15:20.769 Vision Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing 00:15:20.769 --> 00:15:23.809 your reactions as these episodes continue to 00:15:23.809 --> 00:15:25.509 move forward. This is going to get more and more 00:15:25.509 --> 00:15:27.830 fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well. 00:15:27.870 --> 00:15:29.769 We'll invite people to participate in the show. 00:15:29.929 --> 00:15:31.950 And thank you for giving us your time and attention. 00:15:32.269 --> 00:15:34.870 Have an excellent time building out your vision. 00:15:35.309 --> 00:15:36.269 Become a Vision Pro yourself.