WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.399 Susan, would you please tell us a little bit 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:04.719 about yourself and what you're up to? Sure. Thank 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:07.259 you, Sue. And I'm excited to be here too. So 00:00:07.259 --> 00:00:11.779 the current hats I wear are author, speaker, 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:15.599 and transformational coach. And that's probably 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:17.780 where we'll spend a lot of our time talking about 00:00:17.780 --> 00:00:21.019 what the heck does that mean? And why am I doing 00:00:21.019 --> 00:00:24.300 it? In past lives, and I've had a few iterations 00:00:24.300 --> 00:00:28.839 of careers, I've been a HR executive, I've worked 00:00:29.179 --> 00:00:32.179 internationally and run global teams and had 00:00:32.179 --> 00:00:35.320 a whole first career in television journalism 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.359 way way back in the day that was the original 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:43.479 straight path and then life happens so we'll 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:47.039 go frontwards and backwards and it's that brief 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:50.479 story is really why i'm so interested in helping 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:54.539 people through life transitions That's amazing. 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.700 I love this. You've had entire careers that some 00:00:58.700 --> 00:01:01.840 people might stay in for 30, 40, 50 years, and 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:04.620 you've just kind of built and built, and now 00:01:04.620 --> 00:01:07.319 you're on this. So tell me a little bit about 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.019 what is your vision for the people that you serve? 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:15.519 So my vision at this stage of life is to really 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:21.159 help people to grow, not stagnate, through uncertainty. 00:01:21.900 --> 00:01:24.379 And the uncertainty we get hit with, we can say 00:01:24.379 --> 00:01:27.739 the world right now is uncertain, but it's really 00:01:27.739 --> 00:01:31.019 the uncertainty in our lives during big life 00:01:31.019 --> 00:01:33.799 transitions. It can be a career change, a relationship 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:37.620 change, a physical move, a physical diagnosis 00:01:37.620 --> 00:01:41.040 about our bodies that brings us to our knees 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:46.200 and makes us question. the life that we had planned 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.579 and where we thought we were going to go and 00:01:49.579 --> 00:01:52.859 in getting into coaching to help people through 00:01:52.859 --> 00:01:56.060 these transitions i realized there's a lot of 00:01:56.060 --> 00:01:58.939 great research as to the components of transitions 00:01:58.939 --> 00:02:03.019 and as i reflect on my many transitions and i 00:02:03.019 --> 00:02:05.739 alluded to you know career change moving across 00:02:05.739 --> 00:02:09.460 the globe um i didn't get into you know struggles 00:02:09.460 --> 00:02:11.879 with infertility and any of those other things 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:15.310 that If you've lived any amount of time, and 00:02:15.310 --> 00:02:19.669 I'm 61, you experience. And so part of it was 00:02:19.669 --> 00:02:22.870 understanding what I could take from my own experience. 00:02:23.490 --> 00:02:26.349 For the years I was an HR executive, and that 00:02:26.349 --> 00:02:29.490 was more than 20 years, I got really great training 00:02:29.490 --> 00:02:33.030 in coaching, career coaching, executive coaching. 00:02:33.250 --> 00:02:35.909 But I wanted to take that to a different level 00:02:35.909 --> 00:02:40.949 and really say, when we are redefining, some 00:02:40.949 --> 00:02:45.810 aspect of our life we can be really battered 00:02:45.810 --> 00:02:49.050 about, right? There's an ending, there's a messy, 00:02:49.150 --> 00:02:53.030 messy middle that always lasts longer than what 00:02:53.030 --> 00:02:56.569 you want it to. And then there's even when the 00:02:56.569 --> 00:03:00.310 new thing comes, is it what we hoped? Who are 00:03:00.310 --> 00:03:04.250 we in the new world? So my vision for those I 00:03:04.250 --> 00:03:07.750 serve is to be there for them, to help them navigate 00:03:07.750 --> 00:03:14.539 their transitions with growth and with curiosity 00:03:14.539 --> 00:03:17.759 and with joy. Because right now these transitions 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:20.919 can make us want to curl into a small ball and 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:25.199 just pray it's all over soon. And we don't grow. 00:03:25.379 --> 00:03:29.180 That's how we stagnate. And so the real vision 00:03:29.180 --> 00:03:33.639 is about growth for the people I work with. I 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:35.680 mean, that's beautiful because like you said, 00:03:35.860 --> 00:03:39.110 we all go through these things. There's just 00:03:39.110 --> 00:03:42.330 no escaping unless you are in stasis and nobody 00:03:42.330 --> 00:03:46.289 lives like that. No. And then it's hard a lot 00:03:46.289 --> 00:03:48.610 of the time. And it's it can make it where you're 00:03:48.610 --> 00:03:50.409 just like you said, I just want to go to sleep 00:03:50.409 --> 00:03:52.469 for a thousand years till this is done. That 00:03:52.469 --> 00:03:55.610 type of thing. And that we miss out on all the 00:03:55.610 --> 00:03:58.610 the joy that is right there in the messy middle 00:03:58.610 --> 00:04:01.810 with us. So that's that's so cool. So how do 00:04:01.810 --> 00:04:05.370 you work with people on this? So number of tools, 00:04:05.490 --> 00:04:08.759 because although. transitions are inevitable 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:12.259 and they can hit on any level. And the stages 00:04:12.259 --> 00:04:14.680 of transition are really well known. There's 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.839 an ending, messy middle, and a new beginning. 00:04:17.339 --> 00:04:20.779 What is unique is what works for each person, 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:24.720 right? So fortunately through my training and 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:26.420 different certifications, there's a bunch of 00:04:26.420 --> 00:04:29.600 tools. One of the tools that I found accidentally 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.720 is actually what I wrote a book about now a little 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:36.139 over a year, and it's art journaling. uh that's 00:04:36.139 --> 00:04:39.600 just a tool it works really well for some people 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.180 because it gets you out of your your thought 00:04:42.180 --> 00:04:47.860 loops and into that curious creative space which 00:04:47.860 --> 00:04:51.579 is what you need when you're in the space of 00:04:51.579 --> 00:04:55.699 i don't know my life i've heard the phrase like 00:04:55.699 --> 00:04:58.579 feels like it's been flushed down a toilet i'm 00:04:58.579 --> 00:05:01.589 in a lifequake and I don't even know how to move 00:05:01.589 --> 00:05:06.970 forward. Moving into curiosity and out of a doom 00:05:06.970 --> 00:05:12.629 loop can be so powerful. And I always feel like 00:05:12.629 --> 00:05:15.470 I need to explain this to people. When I introduced 00:05:15.470 --> 00:05:17.410 the concept of arts journaling, it is not about 00:05:17.410 --> 00:05:19.829 creating art. It's never about showing anyone 00:05:19.829 --> 00:05:24.230 your art. It's about using that right side of 00:05:24.230 --> 00:05:29.560 our brains to just tap into our more. holistic, 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.300 authentic self. It's play, it's curiosity. I 00:05:33.300 --> 00:05:36.360 mean, the book title is like art for your sanity. 00:05:37.019 --> 00:05:40.720 And there's been so much great research on how 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:43.259 that, but that I will tell you doesn't work for 00:05:43.259 --> 00:05:46.420 everyone. Some people are really uncomfortable 00:05:46.420 --> 00:05:49.519 that even as we work through exercises. So that's 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:52.939 one tool. We do breath work. We do values work, 00:05:53.060 --> 00:05:55.779 as that makes sense. We can do role play. We 00:05:55.779 --> 00:05:58.600 can burn things. There's a whole series of tools 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:03.779 because each tool at each stage is going to meet 00:06:03.779 --> 00:06:07.000 the person where they are. There can be a lot, 00:06:07.100 --> 00:06:10.019 about half the changes that occur to us, we want. 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:15.740 We instigate. About half happen to us. And there's 00:06:15.740 --> 00:06:18.779 a whole different process when you have suddenly 00:06:18.779 --> 00:06:22.550 lost. your dream job or a relationship that you 00:06:22.550 --> 00:06:26.269 thought was forever has fallen apart or, or, 00:06:26.329 --> 00:06:29.470 or any of those things that we may not have chosen, 00:06:29.470 --> 00:06:31.949 but we are facing could be a diagnosis change 00:06:31.949 --> 00:06:35.230 in a loved one. And you want to use tools to 00:06:35.230 --> 00:06:36.769 meet that person where they are, because they 00:06:36.769 --> 00:06:40.930 may be in a stage of, you know, shock or surprise, 00:06:41.110 --> 00:06:45.290 anger, rejection, right. Whatever that looks 00:06:45.290 --> 00:06:49.889 like. And so. Finding what resonates with the 00:06:49.889 --> 00:06:54.810 person at that time and helps them to process 00:06:54.810 --> 00:06:57.810 what they're going through is really important. 00:06:58.050 --> 00:07:01.550 Like I said, I found art journaling to be so 00:07:01.550 --> 00:07:09.089 easy, so inexpensive and have such a low barrier. 00:07:09.290 --> 00:07:10.970 You don't need a coach. You don't really need 00:07:10.970 --> 00:07:13.829 anyone. I have a free downloadable. pdf on my 00:07:13.829 --> 00:07:15.829 website to get people started that i thought 00:07:15.829 --> 00:07:19.350 i just want to share this because you can meet 00:07:19.350 --> 00:07:21.589 the whole program and sometimes you just need 00:07:21.589 --> 00:07:26.589 a very small little tool to help you i like that 00:07:26.589 --> 00:07:28.970 it's that sense of maybe unlocking that doom 00:07:28.970 --> 00:07:31.670 loop that you talked about right just maybe one 00:07:31.670 --> 00:07:34.930 pull one little string edge of the string and 00:07:34.930 --> 00:07:37.990 maybe it could unrock unnav unravel a little 00:07:37.990 --> 00:07:40.870 bit you know yeah i mean the doom loops are are 00:07:40.870 --> 00:07:46.839 i think human nature. And unfortunately, it's 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:48.480 like a groove that gets deeper and deeper. I 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:50.639 think of like tires spinning their wheels and 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:53.379 snow and mud, whatever you've ever had your tires 00:07:53.379 --> 00:07:57.959 spin, wheels, it gets deeper and it gets harder 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:01.300 to get out of. And just getting that little bit 00:08:01.300 --> 00:08:04.540 of reframing, right? It's another popular term 00:08:04.540 --> 00:08:07.839 to get you out of that and to show that there's 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:10.579 more possibility here than what you're feeling. 00:08:11.129 --> 00:08:14.209 oh that's it's so huge uh being able to get out 00:08:14.209 --> 00:08:17.970 of that and be in a more resourceful state that 00:08:17.970 --> 00:08:20.970 changes everything now it's like oh okay the 00:08:20.970 --> 00:08:24.110 sun did come up i'm not dead yet i'm still here 00:08:24.110 --> 00:08:27.350 i'm gonna you know there's options uh what does 00:08:27.350 --> 00:08:29.170 that look like though doing the you know so i 00:08:29.170 --> 00:08:32.409 love this it's not for art display it's not actually 00:08:32.409 --> 00:08:35.190 to create art what does it actually look like 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:38.580 So different people are going to show up differently. 00:08:38.700 --> 00:08:42.320 The premise is to go back to a time, I call it 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:45.580 your inner child artist, about anywhere from 00:08:45.580 --> 00:08:48.659 four to six. The research shows that after about 00:08:48.659 --> 00:08:51.539 age seven or eight, anyone who doesn't identify 00:08:51.539 --> 00:08:54.639 as an artist got some messages of like, ah, that's 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:57.720 not how you draw a tree or whatever it may be. 00:08:57.860 --> 00:09:00.000 So you're going back to a point where you just 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.740 had fun and you felt like what you did was fantastic. 00:09:05.719 --> 00:09:09.299 recommend scribbling exercises, doodling exercises, 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:14.419 very timed, messy exercises. I also recommend, 00:09:14.580 --> 00:09:17.139 and I'm a passionate believer in this, that if 00:09:17.139 --> 00:09:18.820 you don't have some supplies around the house, 00:09:18.860 --> 00:09:21.600 maybe a kid you can steal them from, if you're 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:24.600 going to go out, buy the least expensive things 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:27.620 you can. find because that keeps the inner critic 00:09:27.620 --> 00:09:30.220 at bay i joke all the time i have yet to meet 00:09:30.220 --> 00:09:32.919 an adult in the workshops i've taught and in 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:34.840 any of the feedback i've gotten who takes themselves 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.740 really seriously holding a crayon or a glue stick 00:09:38.740 --> 00:09:43.179 i mean think about it it's it's so great because 00:09:43.179 --> 00:09:45.580 everything we tell ourselves as we go through 00:09:45.580 --> 00:09:48.960 life and we rack up successes or failures or 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.120 things that didn't work there's that voice sort 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:56.500 of score keeping and If we had a fancy paintbrush 00:09:56.500 --> 00:10:01.500 or even a really nice pastel color, all of a 00:10:01.500 --> 00:10:04.700 sudden there's sort of two voices. Maybe I'm 00:10:04.700 --> 00:10:07.659 an artist and just didn't know it, or I'm terrible. 00:10:07.740 --> 00:10:10.480 I can't draw a stick figure. Either way, you're 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:12.860 telling yourself a story and everything in between. 00:10:13.419 --> 00:10:17.759 With a crayon. You just don't as an adult, particularly 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:19.340 when a person says, we're doing this for three 00:10:19.340 --> 00:10:21.860 minutes. I'm putting on, put on your favorite 00:10:21.860 --> 00:10:24.440 song, blast it. And I want you just to scribble 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:25.899 or do whatever you want. Three minutes, fill 00:10:25.899 --> 00:10:28.820 a page. Because when you introduce constraints 00:10:28.820 --> 00:10:35.419 with fun, some music, that's where that creativity 00:10:35.419 --> 00:10:40.419 and that. That bruising voice of perfectionism 00:10:40.419 --> 00:10:44.019 just dies away. There isn't space when you're 00:10:44.019 --> 00:10:47.899 engaging your senses, right? Your hand is doing 00:10:47.899 --> 00:10:50.639 something. Your eyes are seeing it. You're listening 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.500 to music. It's a really, you know, somatic experience 00:10:54.500 --> 00:10:57.860 in that you're using a lot of your senses. And 00:10:57.860 --> 00:11:00.299 it gets you, it's like, I'm going to use an old 00:11:00.299 --> 00:11:02.519 analogy here, but if you think of a vinyl record 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:04.759 that gets stuck in a groove, it's literally like 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:07.820 picking up the needle. and going to a whole new 00:11:07.820 --> 00:11:11.700 new song so good i love that so i've taught people 00:11:11.700 --> 00:11:15.600 how to you know mostly how to write um that's 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.539 been a big thing and there's a lot of that interior 00:11:18.539 --> 00:11:21.159 like the fifth grade english teacher that has 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:24.039 the red ink and she's like no no no no no and 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.179 i said you know when we're writing why it's so 00:11:26.179 --> 00:11:28.440 hard sometimes to write is we've got the critic 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:30.580 going as we're trying to have the writer going 00:11:30.580 --> 00:11:34.070 and that's that doesn't work So for writing, 00:11:34.250 --> 00:11:36.370 it's cool. If you close your eyes, well, you 00:11:36.370 --> 00:11:38.129 got to put your fingers on the right keys first. 00:11:39.870 --> 00:11:42.070 And then close your eyes and write. It's like 00:11:42.070 --> 00:11:44.549 your interior critic can't keep up with your 00:11:44.549 --> 00:11:47.450 output. It sounds like it's the same thing, like 00:11:47.450 --> 00:11:51.049 a secret entryway into letting that artist out. 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:54.200 Right. Because nobody is there herping at them 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:57.100 saying that is wrong. Yeah. So, Sue, I love the 00:11:57.100 --> 00:11:58.840 fact that you shared that because that's that's 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:01.480 exactly right. I mean, going back to years ago 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.179 when I was a journalist and writing, I read and 00:12:04.179 --> 00:12:06.720 it was like Julia Cameron's Artist's Way. It 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:08.379 was like just the morning pages. You're just 00:12:08.379 --> 00:12:12.000 writing. No critic. And it's interesting because 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.919 my first career was in that. I had a lot of blocks 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:19.049 about writing a book. That was what. my master's 00:12:19.049 --> 00:12:20.889 degree was in, it was in journalism. And so when 00:12:20.889 --> 00:12:23.690 I went to write about art, I actually had to 00:12:23.690 --> 00:12:26.570 make a deal with myself. It was for 30 days. 00:12:26.830 --> 00:12:28.269 I was going to write for 10 minutes. I was going 00:12:28.269 --> 00:12:30.309 to write badly. And that's what I told myself. 00:12:30.429 --> 00:12:33.129 It was almost the same. I didn't sit at desk. 00:12:33.129 --> 00:12:36.509 I had the laptop balancing precariously, my cup 00:12:36.509 --> 00:12:38.529 of coffee, you know, it's on my lap. The dog 00:12:38.529 --> 00:12:41.929 was like panting away and just like. 10 minutes 00:12:41.929 --> 00:12:46.830 go and for 30 days i just pushed myself through 00:12:46.830 --> 00:12:49.049 what had been a really developed inner critic 00:12:49.049 --> 00:12:52.970 about my ability to write because of all the 00:12:52.970 --> 00:12:55.490 the school and the journalism and blah blah blah 00:12:55.490 --> 00:12:58.669 blah blah and i knew the book would be more more 00:12:58.669 --> 00:13:02.149 personal but yes that doing freeing yourself 00:13:02.149 --> 00:13:05.309 the blind. And I love that on the keyboard. Like 00:13:05.309 --> 00:13:07.710 I said, I think because I rested the laptop on 00:13:07.710 --> 00:13:10.070 a pillow and the coffee and the dog were all 00:13:10.070 --> 00:13:13.470 there. It was very much like being blind. Yes. 00:13:13.750 --> 00:13:16.710 Oh, I love that. That is so great. And yeah, 00:13:16.789 --> 00:13:19.870 I mean, that's amazing because especially having 00:13:19.870 --> 00:13:23.970 had that experience of journalism, like there's 00:13:23.970 --> 00:13:25.789 rules you got to, you know, it's very strict. 00:13:25.909 --> 00:13:29.730 So that's very strict. We found the unlock. It 00:13:29.730 --> 00:13:33.370 is. There is. And I think the theme you and I 00:13:33.370 --> 00:13:37.129 are talking about in that is play, right? It's 00:13:37.129 --> 00:13:41.570 when you move into that there is no expectation. 00:13:42.330 --> 00:13:44.730 I joke all the time. Kids go out to recess. They 00:13:44.730 --> 00:13:46.809 don't go out to recess with an agenda. Like, 00:13:46.809 --> 00:13:50.120 I'm going to recess better today. right i mean 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.899 you know i maybe there's some bullying i'm going 00:13:52.899 --> 00:13:55.019 to avoid that kid but you know when you're even 00:13:55.019 --> 00:13:57.080 younger and that four or five six you're even 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:58.960 doing that it's like someone's a jerk you just 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:02.799 go the other way kind of thing yes um and i think 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:05.639 for anyone who wants to be creative and particularly 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.139 for entrepreneurs when we talk about people starting 00:14:09.139 --> 00:14:14.580 a business if you are forging new finding ways 00:14:14.580 --> 00:14:18.870 to to tap into that creativity even if the new 00:14:18.870 --> 00:14:22.950 has a bunch of rules like the subject is very 00:14:22.950 --> 00:14:28.809 serious and rule bound to find your space because 00:14:28.809 --> 00:14:31.149 it's a crowded marketplace in many cases takes 00:14:31.149 --> 00:14:36.690 a lot of creativity and very open thinking oh 00:14:36.690 --> 00:14:39.549 yeah that's so great all right well now i want 00:14:39.549 --> 00:14:42.149 to ask you this tell me your vision for your 00:14:42.149 --> 00:14:48.159 business yeah so This is interesting. If you 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:54.220 had asked me that four months ago, I probably 00:14:54.220 --> 00:14:57.120 would have said something else because I thought 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:01.639 I was going on a clear path. I've actually been 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:05.159 moved into a place of not knowing anymore because 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:08.299 something I thought I would love and that would 00:15:08.299 --> 00:15:13.190 be deeply satisfying. And versus continuing to 00:15:13.190 --> 00:15:15.789 just pursue it for my business on this path, 00:15:15.990 --> 00:15:18.490 I'm taking a little bit of time and I don't like 00:15:18.490 --> 00:15:21.889 it. It feels uncomfortable. I hate not having 00:15:21.889 --> 00:15:26.190 a really good answer that like you can market 00:15:26.190 --> 00:15:29.029 across. And yet I know I need to take some time. 00:15:29.090 --> 00:15:31.730 So the underlying value that I'm having at this 00:15:31.730 --> 00:15:36.029 life stage is I want to serve. I know there is. 00:15:37.339 --> 00:15:40.659 wisdom and experience to be shared. And I see 00:15:40.659 --> 00:15:45.100 it with my clients. The best way, the avenue 00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:49.700 in which to do it is what I am thinking. So the 00:15:49.700 --> 00:15:56.899 vision of service during a chaotic period is 00:15:56.899 --> 00:16:05.220 crystal clear. The path and avenues, I am less 00:16:05.220 --> 00:16:07.659 clear about. that makes sense and that's an honest 00:16:07.659 --> 00:16:09.980 answer and that's wonderful and that's the place 00:16:09.980 --> 00:16:12.080 you know just like everything that you're teaching 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.960 curiosity that's going to lead you to that next 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.879 step on the on the spiral staircase exactly rather 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.340 than insisting it's going to look like this or 00:16:22.340 --> 00:16:26.240 like that yeah and i think that's we're taking 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:29.950 some time and it's hard to to do in our society 00:16:29.950 --> 00:16:32.769 right it's like keep moving stay productive keep 00:16:32.769 --> 00:16:35.850 going it's very uncomfortable period and yet 00:16:35.850 --> 00:16:38.649 i know i owe it to myself just like when i work 00:16:38.649 --> 00:16:44.389 with clients to to listen to why am i not not 00:16:44.389 --> 00:16:47.529 sure and are doors opening when i go this direction 00:16:47.529 --> 00:16:50.889 are doors opening when i go that direction um 00:16:50.889 --> 00:16:53.950 and i'm really exploring that and i'm exploring 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.919 what it feels like when a door that I think should 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:03.419 open doesn't magically open. And what does that 00:17:03.419 --> 00:17:07.920 do to my ego and myself? And it's some really 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.579 good, deep, deep work. Thank you for being here 00:17:10.579 --> 00:17:12.480 today. I'm really happy that you tuned in to 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:14.940 Vision Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing 00:17:14.940 --> 00:17:17.980 your reactions as these episodes continue to 00:17:17.980 --> 00:17:19.680 move forward. This is going to get more and more 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.000 fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well. 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:23.940 We'll invite people to participate in the show 00:17:23.940 --> 00:17:26.140 and thank you for giving us your time and attention. 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.039 Have an excellent time building out your vision 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:30.420 and becoming a vision pro yourself.