WEBVTT 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.519 Tell me about your vision. So that's one of those 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:06.940 questions where you're like, wow, what part of 00:00:06.940 --> 00:00:10.460 my vision would you like to hear about? You know, 00:00:10.460 --> 00:00:13.119 I think as a younger person, I probably would 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:15.580 have answered this differently than I would answer 00:00:15.580 --> 00:00:18.660 it now. My vision would be for like my work and 00:00:18.660 --> 00:00:21.440 what I would be doing, you know, for money and 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:23.820 that kind of type stuff. I think as I've gotten 00:00:23.820 --> 00:00:27.309 older, I really recognize how everything. you 00:00:27.309 --> 00:00:29.929 know, is delightfully mushed up together. And 00:00:29.929 --> 00:00:33.630 so you can't really separate anything out. And 00:00:33.630 --> 00:00:37.469 so really my vision is to help people kind of 00:00:37.469 --> 00:00:40.729 have the freedom to really kind of embrace their 00:00:40.729 --> 00:00:44.409 best selves and do good things and leave the 00:00:44.409 --> 00:00:46.770 stuff that doesn't work for them behind and to 00:00:46.770 --> 00:00:49.729 really kind of step in to their greatness. And 00:00:49.729 --> 00:00:52.649 sometimes that's hard to see for yourself. So 00:00:52.649 --> 00:00:56.170 I like to help people find that. And whether 00:00:56.170 --> 00:00:59.939 that's... working as a general partner in my 00:00:59.939 --> 00:01:02.539 investment fund and trying to find great companies 00:01:02.539 --> 00:01:06.739 to invest in or mentorship clients, helping them 00:01:06.739 --> 00:01:09.530 kind of, you know. discover what's coming next 00:01:09.530 --> 00:01:13.090 for them or at home with my kids or with my fairy 00:01:13.090 --> 00:01:16.709 godchildren. I'm really just about helping people 00:01:16.709 --> 00:01:19.030 kind of see the possibilities and really having 00:01:19.030 --> 00:01:22.230 the freedom to kind of really get in there and 00:01:22.230 --> 00:01:25.890 think about them, not in a kind of maybe someday 00:01:25.890 --> 00:01:28.569 sort of a way, but today is the day kind of a 00:01:28.569 --> 00:01:32.819 way. Why does your why? My why is just people. 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:36.739 I love people. I find them fascinating. I'm incredibly 00:01:36.739 --> 00:01:39.900 curious as a person, always have been. I just 00:01:39.900 --> 00:01:42.319 love to get to know people from everywhere. I 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.060 mean, I think I drive my children a bit bananas 00:01:45.060 --> 00:01:47.319 because I'm always the lady kind of chatting 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.099 to people in front of the in the front of the 00:01:49.099 --> 00:01:51.400 line, the back of the line meeting. I've never 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.969 met a stranger. And. And I just I love people 00:01:54.969 --> 00:01:57.090 and I love to bring people together. I love to 00:01:57.090 --> 00:02:01.530 connect people. I love to just sort of open people's 00:02:01.530 --> 00:02:04.450 eyes to the possibilities that are out there 00:02:04.450 --> 00:02:07.090 that maybe they might not have otherwise thought 00:02:07.090 --> 00:02:12.449 of. That's great. And then how about this one? 00:02:12.490 --> 00:02:14.110 Where are you going with your vision? I want 00:02:14.110 --> 00:02:16.830 to preface this with you've got a great new book 00:02:16.830 --> 00:02:19.669 out. It's getting it's getting well reviewed 00:02:19.669 --> 00:02:23.159 and. you know this is very exciting like a very 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:26.340 new book so yeah like just a couple like just 00:02:26.340 --> 00:02:30.099 out there a couple weeks um you know i i've been 00:02:30.099 --> 00:02:34.860 very lucky and also have worked my push off to 00:02:34.860 --> 00:02:37.939 create the sort of set of circumstances that 00:02:37.939 --> 00:02:41.080 I kind of get to live in now. I went to medical 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:43.360 school in a very sort of traditional path. I 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.159 practiced very intense medicine in the hospital 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:50.060 and ICU for 15 years, then got involved a little 00:02:50.060 --> 00:02:53.740 bit more in the business side of medicine, ultimately 00:02:53.740 --> 00:02:57.439 as the strategic guide. chief business development 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.479 officer for a very large physician partnership. 00:03:01.020 --> 00:03:03.539 And then I did sort of the whole kind of private 00:03:03.539 --> 00:03:07.139 equity, ran a company there in the health tech 00:03:07.139 --> 00:03:10.240 space. So I've had a lot of different interesting 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:12.780 things that have happened to me. But really, 00:03:12.860 --> 00:03:15.759 the through line for all of it has been sort 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:18.900 of curiosity and an openness to see what's coming 00:03:18.900 --> 00:03:21.280 next. And I think it's very easy for people to 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:25.139 sort of get. I won't say stuck in a mindset, 00:03:25.259 --> 00:03:27.280 but think, oh, I've done this and this is what 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.120 I'm good at. And so I'm going to just stay on 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:33.639 this path. And that's never been my take on the 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.099 world. My answer is always yes. As I've gotten 00:03:37.099 --> 00:03:39.979 older, I've added and I need to hear more about 00:03:39.979 --> 00:03:42.400 what that really entails. But I'm just always 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.080 kind of open to things. And it turns out to be 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:48.360 really fun. I never in a million years as a baby 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.900 doctor, you know, finishing my residency would 00:03:51.900 --> 00:03:55.259 have thought that. you know, I would be doing 00:03:55.259 --> 00:03:58.719 essentially venture capital stuff or being a 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:02.139 mentor to startup CEOs or all of, never would 00:04:02.139 --> 00:04:04.639 have occurred to me. But yet here we are. And 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:07.280 so I think, you know, my vision is really my 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:11.939 confidence in being who I am all the time and 00:04:11.939 --> 00:04:14.719 helping other people find that and having a lot 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:17.350 of fun along the way. That's great. And that 00:04:17.350 --> 00:04:20.089 is quite the journey. I mean, to get from here, 00:04:20.110 --> 00:04:24.670 like med school is significant, you know, years 00:04:24.670 --> 00:04:26.750 and years and years and years and years and years 00:04:26.750 --> 00:04:29.490 of your life between school and residency and 00:04:29.490 --> 00:04:32.889 all that kind of stuff. And the money that goes 00:04:32.889 --> 00:04:35.569 into that and, you know, the hours that come 00:04:35.569 --> 00:04:41.300 after that. It's a lot. On the other hand, it 00:04:41.300 --> 00:04:44.379 gives you an ability to, you know, to think very 00:04:44.379 --> 00:04:48.600 critically, to be a really, really good listener. 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:50.899 I mean, a good doctor is fundamentally a good 00:04:50.899 --> 00:04:53.540 listener and a good problem solver. And so, you 00:04:53.540 --> 00:04:55.240 know, yeah, I didn't have my first real job till 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:59.860 I was 29. But but along the way, I learned how 00:04:59.860 --> 00:05:03.319 to really kind of connect with people deeply 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.480 because I'm. As a doctor, I typically would meet 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:08.339 people on their worst days, not on their good 00:05:08.339 --> 00:05:12.360 days, to make them feel comforted by my presence, 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.860 to instill in them a confidence that I know what 00:05:15.860 --> 00:05:18.060 I'm talking about and I know what I'm doing and 00:05:18.060 --> 00:05:20.800 that I'm going to have their best interests at 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.279 the forefront of my mind. And so all of those... 00:05:23.610 --> 00:05:26.310 skill that you really kind of hone in medical 00:05:26.310 --> 00:05:29.310 school and in residency really are so applicable 00:05:29.310 --> 00:05:33.189 to all kinds of other things. And so it's been 00:05:33.189 --> 00:05:35.910 really fun to take that into a lot of different 00:05:35.910 --> 00:05:38.449 venues and meet a lot of, you know, really fabulous 00:05:38.449 --> 00:05:40.850 people all around the world. Tell me about your 00:05:40.850 --> 00:05:45.279 offer that you have now currently. Well, I wrote 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.839 a book and the book is called The Fairy God Doctor's 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:52.600 Guide to a Good Life. And it really stemmed from 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:57.040 a conversation I had after I sold my company. 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.459 I was interviewed by a woman and she asked me 00:06:00.459 --> 00:06:03.660 what my legacy was. And I was like, do you mean? 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.000 with my work. Like, I'm not sure what you mean 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:09.000 by this question. And she's like, no, your legacy. 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.259 And I was like, oh, okay. Well, I think of legacy 00:06:12.259 --> 00:06:15.420 as like my family, my friends, the people I've 00:06:15.420 --> 00:06:18.199 been able to influence. Like that's my, my legacy 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:21.199 is one of people and of, you know, kind of life 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.779 lessons and whatnot. And she was like, oh, I've 00:06:23.779 --> 00:06:25.379 never had anyone answer the question like that. 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:26.899 And then we ended up, you know, kind of going 00:06:26.899 --> 00:06:30.139 down a rabbit hole or two talking and she was 00:06:30.139 --> 00:06:33.680 probably about 32 or so. and we just i started 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:35.600 kind of telling her my thoughts on you know what 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:37.920 does success mean what is satisfaction like which 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.379 one matters more all this kind of type stuff 00:06:40.379 --> 00:06:43.199 and she said i wish you would write this down 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.319 i really need you to write this down and then 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.339 about six weeks later i had another person sort 00:06:48.339 --> 00:06:50.180 of similar thing said god i wish you would just 00:06:50.180 --> 00:06:51.379 write this stuff down and i thought you know 00:06:51.379 --> 00:06:57.720 what But people have spoken. So I have my sort 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:01.639 of seven prescriptions for for for living a good 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.220 life. And so the books just come out on April 00:07:04.220 --> 00:07:06.319 5th is when it when it came out. And it's just 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:08.420 been really fun to get to talk to people about 00:07:08.420 --> 00:07:11.459 it and and to see what they take from it. There's 00:07:11.459 --> 00:07:13.560 a lot of me in the book. I mean, it's pretty 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.139 I put it all out there because I think that's 00:07:16.139 --> 00:07:19.180 the only way to to roll. And so it's been really 00:07:19.180 --> 00:07:21.980 fun to kind of. I mean, nerve wracking, but like 00:07:21.980 --> 00:07:23.519 put it out there in the universe and then kind 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.279 of watch watch the goodness come back. So it's 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.040 been really, really fun so far with that. So 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.480 you've got the book. You mentioned mentoring. 00:07:32.259 --> 00:07:36.319 Do you have an offer around that? So I typically 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:41.060 do I have an offer? No, I don't. And that's intentional. 00:07:43.180 --> 00:07:44.819 If there's someone who wants to work with me, 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:46.740 I like to sit and chat with them. Let's see if 00:07:46.740 --> 00:07:48.079 we're going to be a good fit. And then we come 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:50.180 up with what works. I recognize that everyone 00:07:50.180 --> 00:07:54.100 comes to this in a different place. And I do 00:07:54.100 --> 00:07:58.939 a lot of. We'll call it give back coaching for 00:07:58.939 --> 00:08:01.779 startup CEOs and whatnot, which I find really 00:08:01.779 --> 00:08:04.959 rewarding. There are other opportunities to get 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:06.939 a little bit more intense, in which case, you 00:08:06.939 --> 00:08:09.459 know, I have kind of a scaling offer. But but 00:08:09.459 --> 00:08:11.899 it really just depends on what somebody is looking 00:08:11.899 --> 00:08:14.800 for and how do I feel like I might be able to 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.399 be of assistance. So it's not like I have like 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.519 and for nine ninety nine, you can get this. That's 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.399 that's just that's not my style. Yeah, that makes 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:27.639 a lot of sense. what do you where do you want 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:30.819 to head with that as far as you know you know 00:08:30.819 --> 00:08:34.379 i mean i have a lot of other day jobs so uh like 00:08:34.379 --> 00:08:36.500 i said i'm a general partner in a large investment 00:08:36.500 --> 00:08:40.120 fund that takes up a lot of time i do a lot of 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:44.000 uh kind of free consulting for startups uh that 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:49.279 is fun like i and uh so i my mentorship stuff 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:52.360 is is really special if these are people that 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:55.629 i really feel a connection to that I want to 00:08:55.629 --> 00:09:00.370 work with. It's not my day job. How do you feel 00:09:00.370 --> 00:09:04.830 like leaders find their vision? Well, I think 00:09:04.830 --> 00:09:07.230 this is really can be a very tricky question 00:09:07.230 --> 00:09:10.370 because I think many leaders don't have one. 00:09:11.690 --> 00:09:14.710 They sort of assume maybe the corporate vision 00:09:14.710 --> 00:09:19.629 position or whatever is supposedly theirs. I 00:09:19.629 --> 00:09:23.059 think that that is. Is something worth spending 00:09:23.059 --> 00:09:25.179 a little time locking yourself in the truth booth 00:09:25.179 --> 00:09:28.360 to really kind of understand what you as an individual 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.740 have? And I think that can be challenging, you 00:09:31.740 --> 00:09:34.360 know, in my sort of previous corporate life. 00:09:35.550 --> 00:09:37.409 You know, you kind of feel like, oh, well, my 00:09:37.409 --> 00:09:39.230 vision is supposed to align with the company's 00:09:39.230 --> 00:09:41.730 vision. And, you know, I'm not actually sure 00:09:41.730 --> 00:09:45.129 that that's true. And often there's cognitive 00:09:45.129 --> 00:09:47.990 dissonance between the two. And that can be really 00:09:47.990 --> 00:09:50.169 uncomfortable for people. And I think that leads 00:09:50.169 --> 00:09:53.559 to a lot of, you know, sensations of. burnout 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:55.679 or feeling overwhelmed or what have you when 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.059 there is some discrepancy between the two. And 00:09:58.059 --> 00:10:01.399 so I think if you're sitting in a corporate role, 00:10:01.620 --> 00:10:03.440 you sort of say, okay, well, that's the company's 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:06.500 vision. What's my version of that vision? And 00:10:06.500 --> 00:10:10.820 what more importantly is my vision for my own 00:10:10.820 --> 00:10:14.980 life, not so much my workspace, but my whole 00:10:14.980 --> 00:10:18.500 life. And so I would really encourage people 00:10:18.500 --> 00:10:21.690 to sort of quit with the whole work -life balance 00:10:21.690 --> 00:10:25.509 separation BS and really kind of understand that, 00:10:25.570 --> 00:10:27.309 you know, you only have one life to live and 00:10:27.309 --> 00:10:31.070 one vision and to try really hard to make sure 00:10:31.070 --> 00:10:33.750 that your choices, you know, kind of support 00:10:33.750 --> 00:10:36.110 that vision moving forward, whatever it might 00:10:36.110 --> 00:10:39.889 be. And so I think that would be my kind of take 00:10:39.889 --> 00:10:42.970 on things to be like, just because it's on your 00:10:42.970 --> 00:10:45.330 sort of corporate, you know, PowerPoint template 00:10:45.330 --> 00:10:47.970 doesn't make it your vision. What's your vision? 00:10:49.610 --> 00:10:54.250 that's good and then this one too so specifically 00:10:54.250 --> 00:10:57.789 because you're mentoring you know people that 00:10:57.789 --> 00:11:01.090 are you know founders who are have a vision and 00:11:01.090 --> 00:11:03.070 they're and they're going what do you feel like 00:11:03.070 --> 00:11:06.809 why do we hide from funding well again i think 00:11:06.809 --> 00:11:12.470 it's it's this um hustle kind of culture particularly 00:11:12.470 --> 00:11:18.169 in the startup world where And I don't I want 00:11:18.169 --> 00:11:19.990 to be careful that I don't say like that whole 00:11:19.990 --> 00:11:24.370 startup bro, you know, kind of whatever. I mean, 00:11:24.429 --> 00:11:26.009 I'll just say this. I think it's all bullshit. 00:11:26.049 --> 00:11:28.690 And I think that there's somehow this kind of 00:11:28.690 --> 00:11:32.309 artificial sense that you're supposed to be grinding 00:11:32.309 --> 00:11:36.789 you and working yourself to the bone. And I mean, 00:11:36.830 --> 00:11:39.169 it's just not sustainable. Right. And so, you 00:11:39.169 --> 00:11:42.389 know, people worry about. building a runway of 00:11:42.389 --> 00:11:45.490 capital they build an operating runway they do 00:11:45.490 --> 00:11:47.409 all of this stuff for their company but they 00:11:47.409 --> 00:11:50.549 don't think about building a runway for themselves 00:11:50.549 --> 00:11:56.789 both in terms of time and energy and money and 00:11:56.789 --> 00:11:59.710 then no one is surprised you know when everything 00:11:59.710 --> 00:12:02.850 kind of suddenly falls down like you know startup 00:12:02.850 --> 00:12:05.250 entrepreneurs have the highest divorce rate of 00:12:05.250 --> 00:12:07.070 any entrepreneur they have the highest suicide 00:12:07.070 --> 00:12:12.330 rate of any you know like Come on, man. So when 00:12:12.330 --> 00:12:14.929 I'm working with folks, I'm like, and what are 00:12:14.929 --> 00:12:17.029 you doing for yourself this weekend? And how 00:12:17.029 --> 00:12:18.990 are you sort of setting these things aside? Like, 00:12:19.049 --> 00:12:22.669 yes, a startup guy's got to really believe in 00:12:22.669 --> 00:12:25.090 what they're doing and they have to really live 00:12:25.090 --> 00:12:28.429 it, but not to the exclusivity of all of the 00:12:28.429 --> 00:12:31.269 other facets, you know, that make our lives these 00:12:31.269 --> 00:12:35.470 sort of beautiful projects. And so I think that. 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.179 Clearly, I have a little bit of an axe to grind 00:12:38.179 --> 00:12:41.659 here. I really feel like leaders hide from funding 00:12:41.659 --> 00:12:43.379 their vision because they think they're supposed 00:12:43.379 --> 00:12:45.379 to hide from funding their own personal vision. 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:47.519 They're supposed to put it all for the company 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.940 and it's all for the company. And that just doesn't 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:55.460 work. It just doesn't. That's not the recipe 00:12:55.460 --> 00:12:58.720 for success. And that's not the recipe. And I 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:01.899 guess I should say, I define success as a sustained 00:13:01.899 --> 00:13:06.509 process, not just a... oh, I secured this funding 00:13:06.509 --> 00:13:08.710 and now, you know, my wife has just left me. 00:13:09.009 --> 00:13:14.090 Right. That's not success in my. Yeah. Yeah. 00:13:14.690 --> 00:13:18.950 Oh, that's great. And one more. What tips do 00:13:18.950 --> 00:13:23.470 you have for women? I have so many tips. Yeah. 00:13:23.590 --> 00:13:26.169 I mean, the subtitle of my book is a prescription 00:13:26.169 --> 00:13:28.450 for the working woman, although I think my prescriptions 00:13:28.450 --> 00:13:36.710 apply to all comers. I think that having lived 00:13:36.710 --> 00:13:40.389 most of my life in very male -dominated fields, 00:13:40.470 --> 00:13:43.009 the kind of medicine that I did, and then also 00:13:43.009 --> 00:13:45.470 being in business, private equity, et cetera, 00:13:45.649 --> 00:13:50.590 there's a natural inclination to sort of think 00:13:50.590 --> 00:13:51.990 that you're supposed to be one of the boys, that 00:13:51.990 --> 00:13:54.289 you're supposed to act like all of those people. 00:13:55.389 --> 00:13:59.470 And that really sells the other skills and the 00:13:59.470 --> 00:14:01.090 other ways of thinking that I think many women 00:14:01.090 --> 00:14:06.730 have really short. And so I would sort of suggest 00:14:06.730 --> 00:14:10.750 that you lean into being a woman. I think women 00:14:10.750 --> 00:14:14.230 are often more flexible in their thinking. I 00:14:14.230 --> 00:14:17.370 think they're much better lateral thinkers. And 00:14:17.370 --> 00:14:20.090 these are qualities that are really great to 00:14:20.090 --> 00:14:26.299 have in leadership. I don't like the phrase multitasking 00:14:26.299 --> 00:14:28.100 because I think you should only do one thing 00:14:28.100 --> 00:14:30.940 at a time and do it well. But I do think that 00:14:30.940 --> 00:14:36.669 women are capable of maintaining more. plates 00:14:36.669 --> 00:14:39.950 that are spinning or more balls in the air. And 00:14:39.950 --> 00:14:42.509 we could probably take that all the way back 00:14:42.509 --> 00:14:46.629 to kind of caveman times. We were the gatherers, 00:14:46.629 --> 00:14:49.889 right? So I remember where that bush is and this 00:14:49.889 --> 00:14:52.590 bush, and I know how to create community because 00:14:52.590 --> 00:14:55.710 we all have to go to gather the fruit together. 00:14:56.549 --> 00:14:59.909 And maybe that sounds like a sort of gross oversimplification, 00:14:59.909 --> 00:15:01.909 but I do think that there's something intrinsically 00:15:01.909 --> 00:15:08.809 different. in how women work. And so I think 00:15:08.809 --> 00:15:11.629 we should really embrace that more than we do. 00:15:11.789 --> 00:15:15.070 And we try to all act like we're all the same 00:15:15.070 --> 00:15:19.700 and we're not. And that's awesome. So. that would 00:15:19.700 --> 00:15:21.539 be my tip is to just actually show up and be 00:15:21.539 --> 00:15:24.639 yourself and to also not think that asking um 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.399 for help or you know a rearranging of this meeting 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.039 time or that meeting time is somehow a sign of 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:34.639 weakness i think that we're often even more uh 00:15:35.580 --> 00:15:37.279 Nervous might not be the right word, but a little 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.480 bit more hesitant to sort of sort of raise our 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:42.960 hands to say that doesn't work for me because 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:45.840 we don't want to be kind of singled out in any 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:49.399 way. And instead, chances are, you know, if you 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:51.799 need that meeting to be pushed back half an hour 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:53.399 because you've got to drop your kids off for 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:55.460 school, seven other people in the room probably 00:15:55.460 --> 00:15:57.960 need that same thing. They're just too afraid 00:15:57.960 --> 00:15:59.659 to ask. So what if you were the one who went 00:15:59.659 --> 00:16:03.200 first? And so so that would be my that would 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.779 be my other little. That's solid. You know where 00:16:07.779 --> 00:16:12.000 of you speak. Oh, yeah. And then on the flip 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.399 side, you know, when you are the woman in power, 00:16:15.460 --> 00:16:18.320 so to say, like, I think you have to be, you 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:24.320 know, remember when and be really, really. helpful 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:26.519 is not again, not exactly the right word, but 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:29.100 to just be mindful of all of the other things 00:16:29.100 --> 00:16:31.519 that we all have going on, because everyone has 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:33.860 lots of other things. Right. And maybe the pandemic 00:16:33.860 --> 00:16:37.539 kind of helped peel that back a little bit. And 00:16:37.539 --> 00:16:40.100 I think in some ways made the world kinder, but 00:16:40.100 --> 00:16:42.740 in many ways made maybe not so much. And certainly 00:16:42.740 --> 00:16:46.480 not. I don't feel that same way now. So that 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:50.740 kind of kindness and consideration. It doesn't 00:16:50.740 --> 00:16:52.559 cost anything. Thank you for being here today. 00:16:52.740 --> 00:16:54.500 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision 00:16:54.500 --> 00:16:57.120 Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing your 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:59.919 reactions as these episodes continue to move 00:16:59.919 --> 00:17:01.860 forward. This is going to get more and more fun. 00:17:01.899 --> 00:17:03.759 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 00:17:03.779 --> 00:17:05.700 We'll invite people to participate in the show. 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:07.880 And thank you for giving us your time and attention. 00:17:08.140 --> 00:17:10.799 Have an excellent time building out your vision 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:12.160 and becoming a vision pro yourself.