WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.459 Tell me about your vision, please. So my vision 00:00:04.459 --> 00:00:08.960 is to help destigmatize mental health issues, 00:00:09.060 --> 00:00:14.720 but also issues around almost everything in life 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:19.820 that we stigmatize or stereotype and promote 00:00:19.820 --> 00:00:24.820 more understanding of each other and, quite frankly, 00:00:24.940 --> 00:00:29.660 more love for each other. How I got that was, 00:00:29.660 --> 00:00:34.420 is I had a very abusive childhood. And in my 00:00:34.420 --> 00:00:38.600 late 30s, I experienced, and I went into a career 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:41.439 in law enforcement and as a volunteer firefighter. 00:00:41.500 --> 00:00:45.000 So I eventually experienced what I call an inevitable 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:49.939 mental health crisis. It was coming. My life 00:00:49.939 --> 00:00:54.619 had set me up for that. And I realized during 00:00:54.619 --> 00:00:59.960 that time. afterwards i guess more that when 00:00:59.960 --> 00:01:03.219 i was suicidal and i had been suicidal for a 00:01:03.219 --> 00:01:06.060 few months and i was abandoned by all the people 00:01:06.060 --> 00:01:09.319 around me in various ways however that shows 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:12.840 up like being too scared to ask me not recognizing 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:18.420 the signs whatever it might have been and i realized 00:01:18.420 --> 00:01:21.159 that i had almost died because i was too scared 00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:23.859 to ask for help because of the stigma around 00:01:23.859 --> 00:01:27.719 mental health And that is incredibly ridiculous 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:32.739 because I found out later in my healing journey 00:01:32.739 --> 00:01:36.140 that we all experience mental health at some 00:01:36.140 --> 00:01:39.939 degree eventually in our lifetimes. And so why 00:01:39.939 --> 00:01:44.819 would I die from something that stupid? And when 00:01:44.819 --> 00:01:50.739 people die in ridiculous ways, like the Tide 00:01:50.739 --> 00:01:53.680 Pod Challenge, we all find out about it immediately 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:58.310 and be like, Be aware of this, right? Or engineering 00:01:58.310 --> 00:02:02.030 safeguards come into play and we prevent that. 00:02:02.209 --> 00:02:06.689 And so people are dying needlessly. It's completely 00:02:06.689 --> 00:02:10.409 ridiculous. And in 19 years in my career, I worked 00:02:10.409 --> 00:02:15.449 with six guys, men, all high achievers until 00:02:15.449 --> 00:02:17.469 they weren't. And then they died from suicide. 00:02:18.650 --> 00:02:20.889 And, you know, some of them were really good 00:02:20.889 --> 00:02:24.050 friends of mine. So that is that stigma part 00:02:24.050 --> 00:02:28.419 of it. for mental health specifically. But then, 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:32.659 you know, as I kind of was on my journey and 00:02:32.659 --> 00:02:36.259 I started thinking about this a lot more, I realized 00:02:36.259 --> 00:02:42.139 something else. And that is, is I'm a white farm 00:02:42.139 --> 00:02:45.979 boy. And even though I had a lot of trauma in 00:02:45.979 --> 00:02:49.099 my life, I was only stigmatized for a couple 00:02:49.099 --> 00:02:53.180 of years. And a lot of people wake up in the 00:02:53.180 --> 00:02:56.620 morning. And walk out of their house and are 00:02:56.620 --> 00:03:01.319 stigmatized or stereotyped immediately. And that 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:07.259 happens their whole life. And it's not right. 00:03:07.780 --> 00:03:10.860 And we're doing so much damage to each other 00:03:10.860 --> 00:03:14.520 just by not, you know, refusing to understand 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:18.719 what someone else might be going through. And 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:23.370 then perpetrating stereotypes. And I've been 00:03:23.370 --> 00:03:27.310 guilty of that myself. But once I realized, you 00:03:27.310 --> 00:03:31.370 know, how harmful that is, I've always been interested 00:03:31.370 --> 00:03:34.689 in people's story. And I've always been accepting 00:03:34.689 --> 00:03:37.750 of other people, even when it's uncomfortable 00:03:37.750 --> 00:03:39.930 for me, because sometimes you're in situations 00:03:39.930 --> 00:03:43.430 where like, whoa, like, I do not understand this. 00:03:43.550 --> 00:03:46.909 And it's uncomfortable. But when you get to know 00:03:46.909 --> 00:03:51.120 people, and you hear their story. even if you 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.039 don't agree with what they're doing or their 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:58.479 opinions you can have more you know understanding 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:01.099 and empathy and there's more love in the world 00:04:01.099 --> 00:04:04.419 and there's just a whole lot more i guess cooperation 00:04:04.419 --> 00:04:10.000 with each other and but yeah so that's kind of 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.860 my vision is to just and i know it's a huge one 00:04:12.860 --> 00:04:16.560 it's a big task but you know just chip away at 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.519 it every day a little bit Like, where are you 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:21.220 going with your vision? You can talk about your 00:04:21.220 --> 00:04:25.259 business and what you're doing there. So it started 00:04:25.259 --> 00:04:30.860 with just making posts on social media. And then 00:04:30.860 --> 00:04:34.160 that's when I really realized how many people 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:37.959 are struggling in silence because I would get 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:41.610 messages from people that wouldn't like. or comment 00:04:41.610 --> 00:04:45.209 on what I'd posted, but a private message telling 00:04:45.209 --> 00:04:48.089 me how much it had helped them or asking for 00:04:48.089 --> 00:04:50.990 advice or asking for help in some way. And so 00:04:50.990 --> 00:04:53.709 I started doing that. I've started public speaking. 00:04:53.870 --> 00:04:57.529 I tell my story to people. I give them hope and 00:04:57.529 --> 00:05:02.069 I show them because I was at rock bottom. And 00:05:02.069 --> 00:05:06.329 when I told the person closest to me that I was 00:05:06.329 --> 00:05:08.689 suicidal, they literally walked out of the room 00:05:08.689 --> 00:05:12.449 on me. so literal physical abandonment again 00:05:12.449 --> 00:05:16.050 which triggered a lot of childhood stuff but 00:05:16.050 --> 00:05:18.329 so i've started public speaking because i've 00:05:18.329 --> 00:05:22.670 i've realized that it helps a lot of people just 00:05:22.670 --> 00:05:26.589 hearing my story i recently started a podcast 00:05:26.589 --> 00:05:30.230 called true emotion dad where i talk about the 00:05:30.230 --> 00:05:34.569 hard stuff and i i don't hide from anything and 00:05:34.569 --> 00:05:36.970 i don't mask anything because i want people to 00:05:36.970 --> 00:05:40.579 hear the truth because There are other people 00:05:40.579 --> 00:05:43.920 out there that are suffering at that level. And 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:47.300 if I only tell a superficial version of my story, 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:51.180 it's not going to help them. And so that's why 00:05:51.180 --> 00:05:56.139 I bare my soul when I tell my story is because 00:05:56.139 --> 00:05:58.980 I want people to know that they're not alone 00:05:58.980 --> 00:06:01.819 in their struggle. So I'm doing the podcast. 00:06:02.699 --> 00:06:06.279 Just started that. It's a lot of fun. I get to 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:09.500 meet some amazing people. And I'm working on 00:06:09.500 --> 00:06:13.600 a clothing line that spreads the message of hope 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:18.079 and love for everyone. Even, you know, we don't 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:20.600 have to agree with anybody. But if you can love 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:23.000 them at just some kind of level and promote that 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.720 understanding of where they're coming from, then 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:29.639 we help the world, I believe. Yeah, I think you're 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.879 right. That's amazing. How long has this been, 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:35.930 like, how has your business, you know? how has 00:06:35.930 --> 00:06:38.089 it gone so far how did you get i'm just put how 00:06:38.089 --> 00:06:40.370 did you get started but uh like kind of looking 00:06:40.370 --> 00:06:47.509 at that how's it going well um a lot of learning 00:06:47.509 --> 00:06:51.949 lessons along the way which some people might 00:06:51.949 --> 00:06:54.389 call failures but it's just the first attempt 00:06:54.389 --> 00:06:59.750 in learning and i started one previously i closed 00:06:59.750 --> 00:07:05.480 it realized a lot of the lessons I needed to 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:07.480 learn there. And some of them were personal growth. 00:07:07.819 --> 00:07:11.600 And I'm just recently revamping up, kind of rebranded, 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.639 revamping up now and just, you know, taking my 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:16.620 time. I don't want to rush anything and make 00:07:16.620 --> 00:07:20.240 too many big mistakes. That makes sense. And 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:22.220 so how long have you been recording the new podcast? 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:29.680 About just under two months. Oh, wow. That's 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:32.620 brand new then. That's exciting. Oh, yeah. Yeah, 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.160 it's new. Yeah. There's a learning curve, right? 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:40.779 Yes, there is. And then the apparel line too. 00:07:40.860 --> 00:07:44.259 How long has that been going? This new one about 00:07:44.259 --> 00:07:47.199 the same time because I started getting the inspiration 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:52.459 around the same time. And I had taken a break 00:07:52.459 --> 00:07:55.120 just to kind of work on myself a little bit. 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.600 Or actually quite a bit, actually, not just a 00:07:57.600 --> 00:07:59.579 little bit. There was a lot of work there. Yeah, 00:07:59.579 --> 00:08:01.379 I was going to say, that's not usually a dip 00:08:01.379 --> 00:08:05.699 in the tip. Yeah, let's talk about the whole 00:08:05.699 --> 00:08:10.699 iceberg here. Yeah, so like most recently, it's 00:08:10.699 --> 00:08:15.699 been about, you know, two months. I think I first, 00:08:15.860 --> 00:08:20.120 I've been working like at it in some way, probably 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:23.000 for three, three and a half years, you know, 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.839 just tinkering with stuff and ideas. whatever 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:28.560 what would you say success is going to look like 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:32.000 you know particularly in relation to this business 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:36.200 how can you define that that's a hard question 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:42.240 because when you first ask me about success i 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.519 think of being a good dad and a good person and 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.120 you know living health and you know being healthy 00:08:52.769 --> 00:08:56.210 there's a hundred levels of success for me in 00:08:56.210 --> 00:09:01.169 this. And, you know, I've already achieved success 00:09:01.169 --> 00:09:04.590 because I've had people email me and tell them 00:09:04.590 --> 00:09:09.110 how much an episode helped them on my podcast 00:09:09.110 --> 00:09:13.590 or how much, you know, one little thing I said 00:09:13.590 --> 00:09:16.629 had changed their perspective and helped them 00:09:16.629 --> 00:09:20.129 see a bigger picture. So that's success for me. 00:09:22.509 --> 00:09:28.970 I guess, maturely, I don't know, 20 employees, 00:09:29.129 --> 00:09:33.149 full -time employees. And that's kind of the 00:09:33.149 --> 00:09:37.389 twist to my dream, though, is I'm not, like, 00:09:37.429 --> 00:09:41.029 I want to build, and I'm going to build a big, 00:09:41.049 --> 00:09:45.230 successful company. But it's not going to necessarily 00:09:45.230 --> 00:09:48.730 be successful on paper, because if I'm making 00:09:48.730 --> 00:09:53.009 a difference in the world, by you know selling 00:09:53.009 --> 00:09:56.549 items that promote love and understanding and 00:09:56.549 --> 00:09:59.450 you know all the happy stuff then I have to start 00:09:59.450 --> 00:10:03.789 at home too and and by that I mean is my employees 00:10:03.789 --> 00:10:08.950 are going to be taken care of very well right 00:10:08.950 --> 00:10:11.970 and you know I don't know exactly how that looks 00:10:11.970 --> 00:10:16.710 yet but it's going to obviously minimize some 00:10:16.710 --> 00:10:19.929 profits but that's that's okay for me because 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:25.259 I want people to join or have the same vision 00:10:25.259 --> 00:10:29.659 as I do. And I don't want to be a millionaire 00:10:29.659 --> 00:10:33.039 with employees that are working at minimum wage 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:36.000 and poor benefits. That's not going to be how 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:39.259 that looks, right? That makes a lot of sense. 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:43.559 A true win is a win for everybody involved. Absolutely. 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:45.600 I agree. That's so good. That's so important 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.039 that you see that already, even just a few months 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.840 in on this go. How will being on this show, like 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.379 how does that fit into your goals, your strategies? 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:00.879 It helps spread the message of what I'm doing 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:04.980 and whether it inspires someone else to do the 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:08.080 same thing as me or inspires somebody else to 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:12.620 come listen to my podcast. For me, it's about 00:11:12.620 --> 00:11:16.860 just spreading, spreading the message of hope 00:11:16.860 --> 00:11:19.759 and love. And, you know, trying to understand 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.600 people better. And for those that are suffering 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:25.200 that it's you're not alone and you'll be OK. 00:11:26.139 --> 00:11:29.320 That's huge. That's so good. How old are your 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:34.700 kids? They're eight and eight and ten. Oh, that's 00:11:34.700 --> 00:11:37.440 so good. They're fun ages. Yeah, that is that 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.700 is fun. Mine are grown. So I'm like, oh, I remember. 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:45.179 As a dad and then also as a business person, 00:11:45.500 --> 00:11:47.980 how would you define what makes a great leader? 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:55.600 Someone that understands their people. Someone 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:59.960 that can connect with them on a deep level. And 00:11:59.960 --> 00:12:11.519 someone who is trusted and can give trust. When 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:16.500 I think of my children, my, I guess, primary 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:19.639 goal with them is to build a really strong connection. 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.519 And so I have to put a lot of my ideas away sometimes 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.139 and just to connect with them on their level. 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:35.240 And as a leader in a workplace or of a group 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.440 of people, they have to trust you. And so, therefore, 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.039 you have to be trustworthy and you have to be 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:48.100 able to be vulnerable with them. Because when 00:12:48.100 --> 00:12:51.100 you're vulnerable, you show your true self and 00:12:51.100 --> 00:12:55.039 then you become trustworthy. And looking back 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:57.759 over my career, specifically in law enforcement, 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:01.059 I don't think I ever once had a so -called leader 00:13:01.059 --> 00:13:05.840 that was vulnerable. And I didn't trust my leaders. 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:12.639 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. What would you 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.240 say about this? Like, you know, with your vision, 00:13:16.299 --> 00:13:19.419 you know, you're kind of beginning steps, you 00:13:19.419 --> 00:13:21.600 know, like two months in, that's fantastic. You've 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:24.080 got a lot going on already, which is exciting. 00:13:25.139 --> 00:13:27.700 How do you feel about like where you are with 00:13:27.700 --> 00:13:32.759 your vision? I think my vision is pretty clear. 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.000 i've i've been doing some form of it for several 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:39.320 years whether it's just you know my facebook 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:46.259 or social media posts just talking about um mental 00:13:46.259 --> 00:13:50.460 health positivity in some degree i i don't want 00:13:50.460 --> 00:13:55.460 to get into toxic positivity um but yeah i feel 00:13:55.460 --> 00:13:58.519 good if i were to say where i was with my vision 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:04.039 i think the vision itself is pretty It's just 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:10.639 reaching the goals in that vision. So it's hard 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:14.539 for me to kind of explain that. Yeah, I get you. 00:14:14.580 --> 00:14:17.960 I think that's it. You know, when you're venturing 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:20.120 into something that's not mapped out, it's kind 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.519 of hard to tell where you are, how much further 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:27.379 you have and all of that. And if there's one 00:14:27.379 --> 00:14:31.580 thing that I've learned in the last. few years 00:14:31.580 --> 00:14:35.620 is to not be too rigid in my thinking and kind 00:14:35.620 --> 00:14:38.639 of go with the flow a little more and be adaptable. 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:43.299 And so I'm always just kind of like, this is 00:14:43.299 --> 00:14:46.919 what I think it is, but I might be throwing a 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:50.580 twist. So it might change. Yeah. That seems pretty 00:14:50.580 --> 00:14:53.980 normal with entrepreneurs. Yeah, definitely. 00:14:54.299 --> 00:14:56.360 And do you have a team that works with you or 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:59.940 just all by yourself? It's me solo right now. 00:15:00.269 --> 00:15:04.450 Just taking it step by step. And I've had some 00:15:04.450 --> 00:15:08.009 friends and acquaintances that at varying stages 00:15:08.009 --> 00:15:10.970 have been able to offer me some advice that has 00:15:10.970 --> 00:15:14.529 been really helpful. So, yeah. That's great. 00:15:14.809 --> 00:15:18.529 And then how about for, you know, do you have 00:15:18.529 --> 00:15:21.269 like, are you funding this yourself? Are you 00:15:21.269 --> 00:15:23.289 bootstrapping? Do you have something else going 00:15:23.289 --> 00:15:28.169 on that funds it? I'm funding it myself. My first 00:15:28.169 --> 00:15:33.159 endeavor I funded. um by working having another 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:36.980 contracting business but that was just too too 00:15:36.980 --> 00:15:41.480 much i i did i couldn't i couldn't maintain it 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:45.139 and so um i'm just funding it uh by myself right 00:15:45.139 --> 00:15:48.460 now and just taking it slow because last time 00:15:48.460 --> 00:15:51.899 i kind of rushed through it and i learned a lot 00:15:51.899 --> 00:15:57.100 of costly lessons share some of those I would 00:15:57.100 --> 00:15:59.620 love to hear like the like the top two that you're 00:15:59.620 --> 00:16:08.700 like oh boy yes definitely do this um I was well 00:16:08.700 --> 00:16:11.879 one of them is I spent over four thousand dollars 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:19.299 to um get designed boxes and I can't remember 00:16:19.299 --> 00:16:25.700 how many I bought and it was I was I was Well, 00:16:25.740 --> 00:16:28.179 the biggest mistake or lesson that I learned 00:16:28.179 --> 00:16:34.720 was I was very ego driven. Right. And that blinded 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:42.100 some of my better judgment. And and so, yeah, 00:16:42.179 --> 00:16:45.320 like I spent four thousand dollars and I think 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:49.139 it was just over a thousand boxes with a logo 00:16:49.139 --> 00:16:53.519 on them. And I might have used two of them. And 00:16:53.519 --> 00:17:00.940 so that was a very unwise decision. And my intuition 00:17:00.940 --> 00:17:03.679 was telling me differently, but I overrode it. 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:08.900 And so it was very ego -driven back then, and 00:17:08.900 --> 00:17:13.819 I'm much more malleable now. Yeah, that's interesting. 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:23.809 Do you have another? Well, I didn't do enough 00:17:23.809 --> 00:17:25.950 marketing and I thought it was going to take 00:17:25.950 --> 00:17:30.490 off. I didn't understand a lot. And it comes 00:17:30.490 --> 00:17:33.250 back to my ego, though. I thought, oh, this is 00:17:33.250 --> 00:17:35.369 just going to take off. Like, how can anybody 00:17:35.369 --> 00:17:38.970 not like this? Right. I didn't I missed steps. 00:17:39.190 --> 00:17:43.990 I missed like, you know, testing or checking 00:17:43.990 --> 00:17:47.410 to see if there was a market for that or I was. 00:17:47.509 --> 00:17:53.089 And so that whole kind of ego thing. my better 00:17:53.089 --> 00:17:55.250 judgment and I spent a lot more money than I 00:17:55.250 --> 00:17:58.670 needed to. How are you going to, you know, do 00:17:58.670 --> 00:18:01.009 you know how to do marketing? Are you going to 00:18:01.009 --> 00:18:06.829 just figure it out on the fly? No, when I feel 00:18:06.829 --> 00:18:10.130 ready, like when I feel that I have like the 00:18:10.130 --> 00:18:14.230 pieces in place, I do plan on getting some professional 00:18:14.230 --> 00:18:19.109 advice on how to grow and what areas, you know, 00:18:19.109 --> 00:18:21.700 to focus on and how to grow. where to go with 00:18:21.700 --> 00:18:25.059 it yeah and what pieces are these like what pieces 00:18:25.059 --> 00:18:28.440 do you feel like you need to get in place um 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:32.819 i'm still finalizing some of my my clothing line 00:18:32.819 --> 00:18:36.059 and just making sure that there's something there 00:18:36.059 --> 00:18:43.259 for everybody some merch finalizing my processes 00:18:43.259 --> 00:18:48.200 that i'm going to use to to ensure quality you 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:53.619 know affordability profitability those kind of 00:18:53.619 --> 00:18:58.799 things and you know if I want to be prepared 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.279 for best -case scenario if it happens or you 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:04.980 know when it eventually happens I guess and do 00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:08.599 the proper planning and and just make sure I've 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:11.319 got everything figured out what do you what do 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:13.700 you feel like you're exploring next as far as 00:19:13.700 --> 00:19:17.599 the next building block in your business hmm 00:19:19.210 --> 00:19:23.170 well this morning I spent several hours looking 00:19:23.170 --> 00:19:29.750 at wholesalers and just the the process of getting 00:19:29.750 --> 00:19:37.349 logos pressed onto to clothing I do I am exploring 00:19:37.349 --> 00:19:46.690 more female apparel and I am I do have a really 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:49.740 good friend that's going to be helping with me 00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:52.680 helping me with that because i do not understand 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:58.440 women's fashion probably probably a good thing 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:02.599 that i don't i don't know um and so i'm exploring 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:07.920 that and i'm exploring um collaboration opportunities 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.640 with like -minded podcasts and like -minded people 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.920 just to you know help each other spread the word 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:17.900 about what we're doing Thank you for being here 00:20:17.900 --> 00:20:19.779 today. I'm really happy that you tuned in to 00:20:19.779 --> 00:20:22.240 Vision Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:25.299 your reactions as these episodes continue to 00:20:25.299 --> 00:20:27.000 move forward. This is going to get more and more 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.319 fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well. 00:20:29.339 --> 00:20:31.259 We'll invite people to participate in the show. 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:33.440 Thank you for giving us your time and attention. 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.359 Have an excellent time building out your vision 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:37.680 and becoming a vision pro yourself.