WEBVTT 00:00:00.590 --> 00:00:04.769 Why do you think that leaders hide from funding 00:00:04.769 --> 00:00:08.349 their vision? And how can then those leaders 00:00:08.349 --> 00:00:12.189 lean into funding that vision? I think there's 00:00:12.189 --> 00:00:16.809 a real fear of failure. And there's a lot of 00:00:16.809 --> 00:00:19.089 self -doubt, which leads leaders to question 00:00:19.089 --> 00:00:22.789 the feasibility or the worthiness of their vision. 00:00:24.620 --> 00:00:27.219 can often make them avoid seeking funding because 00:00:27.219 --> 00:00:29.179 they fear they'll be rejected. And this is something 00:00:29.179 --> 00:00:32.299 we see not just for leaders. I see this really 00:00:32.299 --> 00:00:36.219 commonly across the board. And then there's also 00:00:36.219 --> 00:00:39.560 imposter syndrome. We tend to think of that occurring 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:43.420 at kind of lower levels, but leaders with self 00:00:43.420 --> 00:00:47.009 -doubt. may often have exactly the same experience. 00:00:47.130 --> 00:00:49.009 And that's what I have noticed when I'm training, 00:00:49.210 --> 00:00:51.630 that a lot of leaders, they're not as comfortable 00:00:51.630 --> 00:00:54.289 to speak up and say they're suffering with imposter 00:00:54.289 --> 00:00:56.990 syndrome, because they feel that it's something 00:00:56.990 --> 00:00:59.950 that lower level employees should experience, 00:00:59.950 --> 00:01:01.890 but they should know exactly what they're doing. 00:01:02.390 --> 00:01:05.950 But imposter syndrome is very, very normal, no 00:01:05.950 --> 00:01:10.569 matter what level you work at. And really one 00:01:10.569 --> 00:01:14.209 of the best ways to combat self -doubt is to 00:01:14.209 --> 00:01:19.489 use it as a signal for growth. So it's often 00:01:19.489 --> 00:01:22.609 a signal that you care deeply about your vision. 00:01:22.769 --> 00:01:25.469 We tend to think of self -doubt as I'm not good 00:01:25.469 --> 00:01:29.530 enough, but often it really is just I care so 00:01:29.530 --> 00:01:33.189 much that there's a lot on the line. And when 00:01:33.189 --> 00:01:37.250 you kind of reframe it like that of it's normal. 00:01:37.709 --> 00:01:39.590 to have a little bit of self -doubt. And actually, 00:01:39.629 --> 00:01:42.870 when you see individuals that are so confident 00:01:42.870 --> 00:01:46.950 that there's no doubt at all, often they're the 00:01:46.950 --> 00:01:49.530 ones that falter because it's that little bit 00:01:49.530 --> 00:01:52.650 of doubt, that passion, that drive to do better 00:01:52.650 --> 00:01:56.430 that can often make you perform at your best 00:01:56.430 --> 00:01:58.450 because you also realize that there's room for 00:01:58.450 --> 00:02:01.290 improvement. So when you reframe that mentally 00:02:01.290 --> 00:02:05.140 as instead of a failing, It's an opportunity 00:02:05.140 --> 00:02:09.300 to refine your pitch and maybe even deeper your 00:02:09.300 --> 00:02:13.280 conviction. And also when we talk about imposter 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.340 syndrome, I think one really important thing 00:02:16.340 --> 00:02:19.840 is just normalizing vulnerability because leaders 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.300 feel like they have to be impenetrable. Yes. 00:02:23.340 --> 00:02:27.460 And that's just not, again, not feasible. But 00:02:27.460 --> 00:02:30.960 it's not often talked about by leaders because, 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:34.129 again, they want to be the. person that people 00:02:34.129 --> 00:02:37.909 look to so how can i show vulnerability but actually 00:02:37.909 --> 00:02:40.069 what the research shows is that when leaders 00:02:40.069 --> 00:02:43.349 show vulnerability they're perceived as more 00:02:43.349 --> 00:02:48.370 authentic and people prefer to lead people be 00:02:48.370 --> 00:02:52.250 led by people that they see as human with human 00:02:52.250 --> 00:02:56.409 flaws but instead of just saying you know i can't 00:02:56.409 --> 00:02:59.090 do this or i'm scared of doing this you have 00:02:59.090 --> 00:03:02.719 to layer it as I get nervous over these things 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:05.599 too, but here's what I do to keep myself moving 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:08.520 forward. So frame it as a positive, but be open 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:10.919 about your vulnerability and your fears too. 00:03:12.819 --> 00:03:16.419 It's crazy that you mentioned that because a 00:03:16.419 --> 00:03:20.139 lot of times, like when I connect to leaders 00:03:20.139 --> 00:03:24.219 and I'm talking to them, I feel more connected 00:03:24.219 --> 00:03:26.500 if they're able to be more vulnerable with me 00:03:26.500 --> 00:03:31.280 and I'm more likely to work with them. um beside 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:34.539 them if if they are more vulnerable if if they 00:03:34.539 --> 00:03:40.460 are and it also gives you a chance to see them 00:03:40.460 --> 00:03:43.900 in a human light where they went through what 00:03:43.900 --> 00:03:45.680 you do maybe they're going through what you do 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:50.020 and if they can do it so can you there is there's 00:03:50.020 --> 00:03:52.280 a harmony in that and the greatest leaders actually 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:56.300 practice what you just mentioned absolutely and 00:03:56.300 --> 00:03:59.219 leaders also feel like they kind of have to be 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:03.060 perfect and they must be flawless and again that's 00:04:03.060 --> 00:04:05.419 another reason why it can stop them seeking funding 00:04:05.419 --> 00:04:08.479 but again that perfectionism is an impossible 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:12.039 goal and when other leaders get together and 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.599 say hey i struggle with this too it's a little 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:17.920 reminder of you know what even the people that 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.699 i look at and think are perfect they have vulnerabilities 00:04:21.699 --> 00:04:24.199 too and they have a little bit of self -doubt 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:27.319 too so it's just normalizing that to lower levels, 00:04:27.540 --> 00:04:31.459 but also within networking communities. Yeah. 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:36.199 But the difference with just sharing your vulnerabilities 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:44.040 and great leaders is they know how much to be, 00:04:44.259 --> 00:04:48.899 how much to share at the right time and for the 00:04:48.899 --> 00:04:53.279 right amount that uplifts and brings in the conversation 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:57.639 together instead of... bringing it down uh yeah 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.160 they are very very good at that i think that's 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:02.920 something i aspire to be uh you make a great 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:06.199 point about sharing versus over sharing yeah 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:10.779 exactly exactly so when it comes to you abby 00:05:10.779 --> 00:05:15.759 what were some of the times where maybe you you 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:17.740 were like i think i'm hiding from funding my 00:05:17.740 --> 00:05:22.240 vision and what did you do to overcome that well 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:26.470 i definitely had The over emphasis on perfection. 00:05:27.589 --> 00:05:31.689 I have through my whole career, I have felt like 00:05:31.689 --> 00:05:34.029 everything I've had, that everything I put out 00:05:34.029 --> 00:05:37.990 has to be 100 % perfect, because I recognize 00:05:37.990 --> 00:05:41.069 the importance of reputation. So my thinking 00:05:41.069 --> 00:05:44.529 was, if my reputation falters even a little bit, 00:05:44.790 --> 00:05:47.649 then it's going to negatively affect me. But 00:05:47.649 --> 00:05:50.889 what I found was I wasn't putting things out 00:05:50.889 --> 00:05:54.209 at a fast enough pace. And I was questioning 00:05:54.209 --> 00:05:56.850 myself so much that I was overthinking things 00:05:56.850 --> 00:05:59.430 that didn't need to be thought about so deeply. 00:05:59.889 --> 00:06:02.649 And it was hindering me. But when I had that 00:06:02.649 --> 00:06:05.629 realization of it doesn't need to be perfect, 00:06:05.709 --> 00:06:10.170 but I know I have to put my all in. But there 00:06:10.170 --> 00:06:12.490 has to be a point where you say, I can't keep 00:06:12.490 --> 00:06:17.329 going at this. So I spent a lot of time. recognizing 00:06:17.329 --> 00:06:20.810 where that limit was for me of i still drive 00:06:20.810 --> 00:06:23.509 to do the absolute best that i can with everything 00:06:23.509 --> 00:06:26.970 that i put out but i also recognize that there's 00:06:26.970 --> 00:06:29.550 going to be flaws you know even when when i published 00:06:29.550 --> 00:06:33.029 my first book when i re -read it recently and 00:06:33.029 --> 00:06:35.850 i noticed little typos and things i would change 00:06:35.850 --> 00:06:39.230 and i could have kept going and going and going 00:06:39.230 --> 00:06:44.399 and i'm writing a new book now and i'm reminding 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:48.120 myself of that learning process of doesn't have 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.040 to be perfect because it's never going to be 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:54.560 perfect but you do have to put it out yeah thank 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:57.060 you for sharing that i think that was very insightful 00:06:57.060 --> 00:07:02.220 um abby what would what tips would you have for 00:07:02.220 --> 00:07:07.560 um leaders and entrepreneurs um in your opinion 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:12.920 i think the most important thing with entrepreneurs 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.600 and leaders really if you get down to it is the 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:20.439 why what is your purpose behind the vision what 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:23.899 is the passion there what is that anchor point 00:07:23.899 --> 00:07:28.720 that is your mission because your why it needs 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:32.259 to be understood by everybody else because why 00:07:32.259 --> 00:07:34.199 would they go to you what is it that makes you 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:37.819 special but more importantly you need to understand 00:07:37.819 --> 00:07:41.180 it because your why can't come later that driving 00:07:41.180 --> 00:07:44.860 force has to be the foundation of everything 00:07:44.860 --> 00:07:47.600 you build because otherwise you're going to end 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.139 up doing so many different things and you're 00:07:50.139 --> 00:07:53.259 going to feel a little bit discombobulated and 00:07:53.259 --> 00:07:55.279 it's like I'm doing this but this doesn't make 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:57.079 me that happy and everything feels a little bit 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:00.720 scattered but my why is making science accessible 00:08:01.470 --> 00:08:05.689 And everything I do is driven by that core mission, 00:08:05.970 --> 00:08:09.370 that core purpose, something that just I wake 00:08:09.370 --> 00:08:11.629 up in the morning and it's my passion and it 00:08:11.629 --> 00:08:15.610 drives me. And before you go and put out funding 00:08:15.610 --> 00:08:19.089 calls or anything or content, figure out your 00:08:19.089 --> 00:08:24.050 why. Thank you for sharing that. I think this 00:08:24.050 --> 00:08:26.370 goes directly into my next question about your 00:08:26.370 --> 00:08:30.029 why. Me and you talked about your why last time 00:08:30.029 --> 00:08:32.570 you came on the show. But I think our audience 00:08:32.570 --> 00:08:36.029 will really, really benefit about talking about 00:08:36.029 --> 00:08:38.470 some of the stories that pertain to your why 00:08:38.470 --> 00:08:40.830 are very inspiring. I think I would love to hear 00:08:40.830 --> 00:08:44.409 those. I said my motto is making science accessible. 00:08:44.769 --> 00:08:47.309 Yeah. But it really goes so much deeper than 00:08:47.309 --> 00:08:50.350 that. It's not just my love for science and content 00:08:50.350 --> 00:08:53.549 and psychology. It's that I truly believe that 00:08:53.549 --> 00:08:58.639 education is a lifeline. Yes, psychology. you 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:01.200 know when i was very young i was in a very difficult 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.419 place i had a difficult upbringing and i was 00:09:05.419 --> 00:09:08.419 kicked out of college kicked out of home but 00:09:08.419 --> 00:09:10.860 i managed to get back in with my psychology teacher 00:09:10.860 --> 00:09:14.000 and psychology became the first thing i'd ever 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.220 really been good at and the first thing i ever 00:09:17.220 --> 00:09:21.799 really had an interest in and when i started 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:26.269 to develop that and go okay well maybe i could 00:09:26.269 --> 00:09:28.789 be good at this and i started to see my grades 00:09:28.789 --> 00:09:31.370 increase and then because it was psychology i 00:09:31.370 --> 00:09:36.830 started to understand myself and that became 00:09:36.830 --> 00:09:40.330 the lifeline for me and from that point i was 00:09:40.330 --> 00:09:43.789 so driven to just answer questions because there 00:09:43.789 --> 00:09:46.450 are things that we don't know about people we 00:09:46.450 --> 00:09:49.929 don't know about how to be the best um the best 00:09:49.929 --> 00:09:54.149 leader or the best partner or anything But science 00:09:54.149 --> 00:09:56.870 has a lot of those answers. So for me, it was 00:09:56.870 --> 00:10:01.830 being part of the solution to creating an answer 00:10:01.830 --> 00:10:05.149 about human behavior that wasn't known. And I 00:10:05.149 --> 00:10:08.169 just fell in love with that. And I realized that 00:10:08.169 --> 00:10:13.610 as amazing as science is, and how many answers 00:10:13.610 --> 00:10:15.570 we have to questions that we don't even know 00:10:15.570 --> 00:10:19.009 to ask sometimes, it's not always accessible. 00:10:19.909 --> 00:10:22.850 And that's why I moved out from being a full 00:10:22.850 --> 00:10:25.289 -time academic and moved into the private sector 00:10:25.289 --> 00:10:29.090 because I realized in academia, it's thriving 00:10:29.090 --> 00:10:30.950 with science knowledge. You know, that's the 00:10:30.950 --> 00:10:35.029 point. But outside of academia, it's not always 00:10:35.029 --> 00:10:37.690 accessible because of a lack of understanding 00:10:37.690 --> 00:10:40.870 of the language, the terminology behind paywalls, 00:10:40.889 --> 00:10:43.549 just generally not being able to understand research 00:10:43.549 --> 00:10:47.029 papers because they are very complicated. And 00:10:47.029 --> 00:10:49.049 I recently got asked, well, how do you know? 00:10:49.669 --> 00:10:52.590 what's a valid paper and what isn't. And my only 00:10:52.590 --> 00:10:56.210 real answer is when you do a PhD and when you 00:10:56.210 --> 00:10:59.370 get to the point of a full -time academic, you've 00:10:59.370 --> 00:11:01.970 been training for years, you know, as a reviewer, 00:11:01.970 --> 00:11:05.450 as a scientist to get that qualification, part 00:11:05.450 --> 00:11:08.789 of the assessment is, are you able to critically 00:11:08.789 --> 00:11:11.149 assess research papers and write research papers? 00:11:11.389 --> 00:11:13.929 So you go through years and years and years of 00:11:13.929 --> 00:11:17.940 training to understand. how to read science that's 00:11:17.940 --> 00:11:21.340 not something you can expect someone who hasn't 00:11:21.340 --> 00:11:24.639 dedicated their life to science to do and nor 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.360 should we so we need to find a way to make that 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:30.879 more accessible so for me when i see someone 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.600 who doesn't think that they love science doesn't 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.259 think they like science or doesn't think they 00:11:35.259 --> 00:11:38.840 can understand it when i see a little spark of 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:43.200 passion in them of oh i get this And I see a 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.519 little bit of passion or a little bit of excitement 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:49.080 or I see just that growth of knowledge. For me, 00:11:49.100 --> 00:11:53.580 that's the best feeling in the world. So that's 00:11:53.580 --> 00:11:56.019 my why that making science accessible. Thank 00:11:56.019 --> 00:11:58.019 you for being here today. I'm really happy that 00:11:58.019 --> 00:12:00.039 you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. I'm looking 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:03.299 forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes 00:12:03.299 --> 00:12:05.100 continue to move forward. This is going to get 00:12:05.100 --> 00:12:07.720 more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:09.799 as well. We'll invite people to participate in 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:11.980 the show. And thank you for giving us your time 00:12:11.980 --> 00:12:14.279 and attention. Have an excellent time building 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:16.600 out your vision and becoming a vision pro yourself.