1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,320 dive into the stories behind your why. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,420 I think I would love to hear some of those stories 3 00:00:06,420 --> 00:00:07,380 that pertains to your why. 4 00:00:07,380 --> 00:00:08,920 They may be inspired you, 5 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,360 maybe changed your trajectory, 6 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,600 maybe help you help someone else. 7 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,000 I think I'd love to hear those stories for you. 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:18,760 Okay. 9 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,280 You want me to dive in? 10 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:22,240 Yeah, go ahead. 11 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:26,200 So I think of my business life as a pre and post. 12 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,760 And what I mean by that is pre working for Steve Jobs 13 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,380 and post because the work I did for Steve 14 00:00:34,380 --> 00:00:37,800 and our interactions really changed a lot 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,680 the way I'm thinking about businesses 16 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,240 and customers and products. 17 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,040 Before Steve, I was a kind of a younger, 18 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,800 naive in a way, entrepreneur, made a lot of mistakes. 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,120 I still made a lot of mistakes after Steve, by the way, 20 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,500 that didn't go away. 21 00:00:53,500 --> 00:00:58,500 But I was, one thing that I always was interested 22 00:00:58,500 --> 00:01:01,820 in the business is people and meaning people 23 00:01:01,820 --> 00:01:03,660 and hearing their stories. 24 00:01:03,660 --> 00:01:06,460 As you may know, I was doing research in physics. 25 00:01:06,460 --> 00:01:07,880 It is a very lonely job. 26 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,060 There were maybe 40 people around the world 27 00:01:10,060 --> 00:01:12,840 who truly understood what I was working on 28 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,240 because it was a very deep, narrow groove. 29 00:01:16,460 --> 00:01:19,300 And I missed meaning people and interacting 30 00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:21,980 and hearing that different stories. 31 00:01:21,980 --> 00:01:25,100 So I always wanted to go into business for that reason 32 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:29,340 and just use my physics background as a way 33 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:31,140 to look at business as a different way 34 00:01:31,140 --> 00:01:34,100 to look at business that most people have. 35 00:01:35,700 --> 00:01:40,700 And I started the company, I sold it probably too early. 36 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:42,820 I was young again. 37 00:01:42,820 --> 00:01:44,100 And then I worked at Apple 38 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:47,340 and at Apple we did really, really great jobs. 39 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:48,940 I mean, it was very difficult 40 00:01:48,940 --> 00:01:51,380 because Apple was in trouble at the time, 41 00:01:51,380 --> 00:01:53,380 but I learned a lot. 42 00:01:53,380 --> 00:01:56,460 And then after Apple, I became a venture capitalist. 43 00:01:56,460 --> 00:01:57,900 So kind of one on the dark side 44 00:01:57,900 --> 00:01:59,940 and really on the other side of the table and said, 45 00:01:59,940 --> 00:02:03,300 okay, now I'm gonna write checks 46 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:05,540 and try to help entrepreneurs. 47 00:02:05,540 --> 00:02:07,900 And that gave me a very different perspective. 48 00:02:08,980 --> 00:02:10,740 He also helped me understood 49 00:02:10,740 --> 00:02:13,100 that I wasn't in charge anymore. 50 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:14,780 I wasn't a CEO anymore. 51 00:02:14,780 --> 00:02:18,140 And my job at best was to be a good diplomat 52 00:02:18,140 --> 00:02:22,420 to try to make the CEO take my ideas 53 00:02:22,420 --> 00:02:26,940 and believe that he was their own ideas and implement them. 54 00:02:26,940 --> 00:02:29,620 So very, very different skill set for sure. 55 00:02:29,620 --> 00:02:32,100 And then a lot more diplomatic role 56 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:33,940 interacting with other board members 57 00:02:33,940 --> 00:02:36,420 and other investors who have different views 58 00:02:36,420 --> 00:02:38,060 of the companies and different agendas, 59 00:02:38,060 --> 00:02:40,900 depending on what they are in their life cycles 60 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:42,540 in their funds. 61 00:02:42,540 --> 00:02:44,140 I thought that was really interesting. 62 00:02:44,140 --> 00:02:47,700 But the thing that didn't really work well for me 63 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:51,020 is that my influence as a board member 64 00:02:51,020 --> 00:02:53,500 wasn't as deep as I wanted it to be. 65 00:02:54,460 --> 00:02:56,980 And on the other hand, I didn't wanna go to the extreme 66 00:02:56,980 --> 00:02:59,220 which is being a CEO again. 67 00:02:59,220 --> 00:03:02,420 And so when I founded BlueDots 10 years ago, 68 00:03:02,420 --> 00:03:03,700 I found a really good balance 69 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:06,820 which is we're in the business of giving advice to CEOs 70 00:03:06,820 --> 00:03:08,660 and helping them grow. 71 00:03:08,660 --> 00:03:10,740 And we do that through a data-driven approach. 72 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:14,700 So it's not like what we think or guessing. 73 00:03:16,020 --> 00:03:19,140 And whether they implement the advice or not 74 00:03:19,140 --> 00:03:20,180 is really up to them. 75 00:03:20,180 --> 00:03:22,740 And it's really equivalent to being a doctor 76 00:03:22,740 --> 00:03:25,020 where we have an X-ray machine and an MRI machine 77 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:26,620 and a blood work machine. 78 00:03:26,620 --> 00:03:29,820 We can diagnose exactly what the issues are. 79 00:03:29,820 --> 00:03:31,380 And then we give them the prescription 80 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:34,140 and then they decide to go and buy the meds and take them 81 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:35,340 or they decide not to do it. 82 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:37,460 And that's perfectly fine with us. 83 00:03:37,460 --> 00:03:42,460 So that's kind of the difference between my life before 84 00:03:42,460 --> 00:03:44,460 and my life after working with the jobs. 85 00:03:45,340 --> 00:03:47,700 Wow, that is fascinating. 86 00:03:47,700 --> 00:03:51,500 Oh man, oh, what money I would have paid at that time, right? 87 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,900 If I knew like, oh, what Steve Jobs could teach people. 88 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:59,580 So what would you say in that case, 89 00:03:59,580 --> 00:04:03,580 what is one lesson that you learned from Steve Jobs 90 00:04:05,020 --> 00:04:09,180 post and pre and post that you carry to this day 91 00:04:09,180 --> 00:04:11,860 that has made the most impact in your life? 92 00:04:11,860 --> 00:04:14,380 Yeah, I mean, I think there are three big lessons 93 00:04:14,380 --> 00:04:15,220 I learned from Steve. 94 00:04:15,220 --> 00:04:20,220 One is that don't be focused, but be hyper-focused. 95 00:04:21,980 --> 00:04:24,620 I mean, Steve Jobs was the most focused person, 96 00:04:24,620 --> 00:04:26,260 business person I have ever met. 97 00:04:27,140 --> 00:04:28,860 And one day I was asking him, I said, Steve, 98 00:04:28,860 --> 00:04:31,980 why aren't you on 60 minutes and talking to 99 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:35,020 all those magazines and all that. 100 00:04:35,020 --> 00:04:40,020 And he looked at me like I was stupid and basically he said, 101 00:04:40,180 --> 00:04:42,260 do you think those guys could help me design 102 00:04:42,260 --> 00:04:45,140 the next best product on the planet? 103 00:04:45,140 --> 00:04:47,500 And I'm like, no, I don't think so. 104 00:04:47,500 --> 00:04:50,380 And so, well, that's why I don't waste my time with them. 105 00:04:50,380 --> 00:04:51,540 So very, very focused. 106 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:52,740 That's the first lesson. 107 00:04:52,740 --> 00:04:55,380 The second one is that simplicity, 108 00:04:55,380 --> 00:04:57,100 which is the success of Apple, 109 00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,260 which is the core reason Apple is so successful 110 00:05:00,260 --> 00:05:01,900 is really, really hard. 111 00:05:02,780 --> 00:05:05,580 It's very hard to take a complex system 112 00:05:05,580 --> 00:05:08,700 or complex user interface product 113 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:12,060 and make it so intuitive and so trivial. 114 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:15,420 And that process to shed the complexity, if you will, 115 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:18,340 is a very tricky and difficult problem. 116 00:05:18,340 --> 00:05:19,540 That's probably the second lesson. 117 00:05:19,540 --> 00:05:21,180 And then the third one I learned was that 118 00:05:21,180 --> 00:05:23,900 there is one and only one business on this planet 119 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:26,860 that everybody's in the exact same business. 120 00:05:26,860 --> 00:05:29,620 There are no millions of businesses 121 00:05:29,620 --> 00:05:31,700 or hundreds of thousands of businesses, there's only one. 122 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:34,060 And that unique business is the manufacturing 123 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:35,860 and delivery of Delight. 124 00:05:37,020 --> 00:05:40,980 We are all in the business of delighting our customer 125 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:42,980 and setting that expectation right 126 00:05:42,980 --> 00:05:46,500 and delivering on that expectation is really critical. 127 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:48,540 You cannot have an impedance mismatch 128 00:05:48,540 --> 00:05:51,020 between the delight your customers expect 129 00:05:51,020 --> 00:05:52,540 and what they actually receive. 130 00:05:53,340 --> 00:05:55,100 And Apple is all about that. 131 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:58,860 And I think, you know, if you think of it, these terms, 132 00:05:58,860 --> 00:06:01,220 under those terms, you realize that what you do 133 00:06:01,220 --> 00:06:04,300 is almost less important than setting up that delight level 134 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:06,900 and then delivering on it. 135 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:08,020 Wow. 136 00:06:08,020 --> 00:06:09,100 Thank you for sharing that. 137 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:13,580 My gosh, there's a being focused and hyper-focused. 138 00:06:13,580 --> 00:06:14,420 Wow. 139 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:19,980 I think a lot of times entrepreneurs leaders 140 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:23,060 are guilty of saying yes to too many things 141 00:06:23,060 --> 00:06:24,940 and not saying no enough. 142 00:06:26,380 --> 00:06:28,860 So I think that's a very, very great lesson. 143 00:06:28,860 --> 00:06:30,900 The other thing, the simplicity part. 144 00:06:30,900 --> 00:06:32,100 Oh my gosh. 145 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:35,700 You know, how many times I've had debates 146 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:38,940 and talks to people about iPhone versus 147 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:43,940 Android and there's only certain level 148 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:47,060 I can go with people and figure it's not about 149 00:06:47,060 --> 00:06:48,620 what's better and what's not. 150 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:53,260 To me, and I think not maybe not a lot of people 151 00:06:53,260 --> 00:06:55,020 see it that way. 152 00:06:55,020 --> 00:06:57,700 I figured that Apple spends so much money 153 00:06:57,700 --> 00:07:01,940 and effort onto making someone's life simple 154 00:07:01,940 --> 00:07:03,060 using that phone. 155 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:07,140 They wanted to eliminate any other reason possible. 156 00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:08,380 Like I don't want to use five fingers. 157 00:07:08,380 --> 00:07:09,900 I only want to use one thumb. 158 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:10,740 Right. 159 00:07:11,820 --> 00:07:12,660 Exactly. 160 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:17,660 And making the interface easier and simpler to understand 161 00:07:17,660 --> 00:07:19,660 and even my grandma can do it. 162 00:07:19,660 --> 00:07:22,660 And I think that was one of the very important goal 163 00:07:22,660 --> 00:07:23,780 on Apple. 164 00:07:23,780 --> 00:07:27,220 So they've done a very, very good job in their interfaces. 165 00:07:27,220 --> 00:07:32,220 I mean, Android can provide a lot of apps and other things, 166 00:07:33,180 --> 00:07:35,700 but I don't think Apple tops the simplicity. 167 00:07:36,820 --> 00:07:37,860 The other part, delight. 168 00:07:37,860 --> 00:07:40,780 Oh my gosh, there's a reason that McDonald's, 169 00:07:40,780 --> 00:07:44,700 the biggest fastest chain company in the world 170 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:48,620 has a mascot as a joker on McDonald's. 171 00:07:49,580 --> 00:07:51,260 Yeah, so because they're selling happiness. 172 00:07:51,260 --> 00:07:54,180 They're not focused on burgers. 173 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:57,540 Starbucks does that pretty well. 174 00:07:57,540 --> 00:07:58,380 Through their way. 175 00:07:58,380 --> 00:08:00,020 Apple does that pretty well through their ways. 176 00:08:00,020 --> 00:08:02,500 So those are very, very impactful lessons. 177 00:08:02,500 --> 00:08:04,740 I hope people see what you've shared with us today, Fuli. 178 00:08:04,740 --> 00:08:05,900 That was amazing. 179 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:06,740 Thank you. 180 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:08,580 And again, it's about the experience. 181 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:10,100 This is not about the product. 182 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:14,260 It's about making people feel a certain way. 183 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:16,620 It's this emotional connection with the product, 184 00:08:16,620 --> 00:08:18,340 but it's not the product itself. 185 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:20,020 Yeah, wow, that's awesome. 186 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:25,580 I wanna take a next step onto your part, 187 00:08:25,580 --> 00:08:27,300 your vision and blue dots. 188 00:08:28,180 --> 00:08:31,580 Where are you going with that company, with the book 189 00:08:32,420 --> 00:08:33,260 and your vision? 190 00:08:33,260 --> 00:08:34,820 Where do you see it going the next few years? 191 00:08:34,820 --> 00:08:37,780 Five, 10, 15, 20 years if you'd forecast it. 192 00:08:37,780 --> 00:08:39,060 Well, we've been blessed. 193 00:08:39,060 --> 00:08:40,940 We studied, John and I, my partner, 194 00:08:40,940 --> 00:08:43,780 studied blue dots in 2014, 10 years ago. 195 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:48,260 With a very simple vision is we want to help entrepreneurs 196 00:08:48,260 --> 00:08:51,060 and CEOs to grow their business. 197 00:08:51,060 --> 00:08:53,900 Because I don't know any other definition 198 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:56,660 of success than growth. 199 00:08:56,660 --> 00:09:01,100 And I always tell our CEOs, the CEOs we work with, 200 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:03,460 our job is to make you shine. 201 00:09:03,460 --> 00:09:06,060 And what we mean by that is if you go to your boards 202 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:11,060 or investors or family and you show consistent growth, 203 00:09:12,380 --> 00:09:15,460 then you will be defined as a great CEO. 204 00:09:16,500 --> 00:09:19,380 And the problem is growth is really hard. 205 00:09:19,380 --> 00:09:20,700 It's like being a good parent. 206 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,020 It's really, really hard. 207 00:09:22,020 --> 00:09:23,900 There's no real books. 208 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:29,260 And so we wanted to find a new way to look at that problem. 209 00:09:29,260 --> 00:09:32,060 And that's how we invented those four axes of alignment 210 00:09:32,060 --> 00:09:35,140 and the methodology that we use and the data driven approach, 211 00:09:35,140 --> 00:09:36,740 which has been very, very successful. 212 00:09:36,740 --> 00:09:39,740 And not because we're smart, but because it's common sense. 213 00:09:40,540 --> 00:09:44,140 And our vision is to continue to deliver 214 00:09:44,140 --> 00:09:47,700 really high value growth to entrepreneurs and CEOs 215 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:49,660 and business leaders and continue to build 216 00:09:49,660 --> 00:09:52,140 amazing companies and help them do that. 217 00:09:52,140 --> 00:09:52,980 That's awesome. 218 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:56,660 Do you have a retirement age for yourself 219 00:09:56,660 --> 00:09:59,260 or do you work until the day you die? 220 00:09:59,260 --> 00:10:01,420 I don't know how to spell retirement. 221 00:10:01,420 --> 00:10:05,580 And everybody I know who took retirement regretted it. 222 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:08,860 So I was talking to Marco Landi. 223 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:11,060 He actually turned 80 years old last year. 224 00:10:11,060 --> 00:10:13,660 And he was telling, he was the CEO of Apple 225 00:10:13,660 --> 00:10:18,340 after, during Gil Amelio before Steve. 226 00:10:18,340 --> 00:10:21,580 And he was telling me, and Marco is an amazing person. 227 00:10:21,580 --> 00:10:23,740 He's Italian, he has a lot of energy. 228 00:10:23,740 --> 00:10:24,740 And he was telling me, he said, 229 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:26,740 you know, I retired for about 10 days. 230 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:29,380 I played golf every day and then I got bored. 231 00:10:29,380 --> 00:10:34,380 So, I mean, I don't think of what we do at Blue Dots 232 00:10:34,380 --> 00:10:37,540 as work, we're here to help people. 233 00:10:37,540 --> 00:10:40,900 And it's very gratifying to actually see those companies 234 00:10:40,900 --> 00:10:42,420 grow and be successful. 235 00:10:43,620 --> 00:10:45,020 And we just love what we do. 236 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:47,860 So I never think about that word retirement. 237 00:10:47,860 --> 00:10:50,020 I don't have any notion of what it means. 238 00:10:50,020 --> 00:10:51,820 I have no concept about it. 239 00:10:51,820 --> 00:10:53,540 I just love what we're doing. 240 00:10:53,540 --> 00:10:55,780 And we're just gonna continue to do it as long as we can. 241 00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:57,180 That's awesome. 242 00:10:57,180 --> 00:10:58,780 I wanna take a page from your book. 243 00:10:58,780 --> 00:11:01,380 And this gets literally take a page from your book. 244 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:04,660 I was going through this. 245 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:10,540 So the five stages of company growth through revenue 246 00:11:10,540 --> 00:11:13,900 that you came up with, this is very interesting to me. 247 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:15,420 I've never seen something like this before. 248 00:11:15,420 --> 00:11:17,420 I've seen forecasted about this before. 249 00:11:18,700 --> 00:11:22,620 Where did you come from this? 250 00:11:22,620 --> 00:11:25,860 How did you got this information together? 251 00:11:25,860 --> 00:11:26,980 What was the basis behind it? 252 00:11:26,980 --> 00:11:29,540 And I'd love to dive deep into these stages. 253 00:11:29,540 --> 00:11:30,740 Yeah, I mean, it's a good question. 254 00:11:30,740 --> 00:11:35,740 I think that, I've been on 23 boards 255 00:11:36,220 --> 00:11:39,300 and I always think of companies like children. 256 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:42,060 And I'm blessed I have two kids. 257 00:11:42,060 --> 00:11:45,660 And what I observed is that every company 258 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:46,820 literally is like a child. 259 00:11:46,820 --> 00:11:48,980 They are different, they have different characters. 260 00:11:48,980 --> 00:11:50,780 They have different DNA. 261 00:11:50,780 --> 00:11:52,180 They are going after different markets. 262 00:11:52,180 --> 00:11:53,940 They have different products, different business models 263 00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:55,500 and so on and so forth. 264 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:58,420 And that's why the challenge of growth is so difficult. 265 00:11:58,420 --> 00:12:01,660 It's just exactly the same as the challenge of parenting. 266 00:12:01,660 --> 00:12:04,940 So what worked for our son didn't necessarily work 267 00:12:04,940 --> 00:12:06,900 for our daughter, even though it's the same family, 268 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:09,060 same concept, same principles. 269 00:12:10,300 --> 00:12:12,740 And when I go from one board meeting and another, 270 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:16,020 I used to say, well, we did this and that company, 271 00:12:16,020 --> 00:12:17,260 I just had a board meeting last weekend, 272 00:12:17,260 --> 00:12:18,100 it worked really well. 273 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:19,060 And it's like, for some reason, 274 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:21,700 it's a total failure on that company. 275 00:12:21,700 --> 00:12:26,700 So I always thought of companies and startup as kids, 276 00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:29,460 children, you love them, you want them to be successful 277 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:31,260 and you'll do everything I can as a board member 278 00:12:31,260 --> 00:12:32,620 to make them successful. 279 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:36,580 And then I was realizing that it's like, 280 00:12:36,580 --> 00:12:37,940 well, how old is a company? 281 00:12:37,940 --> 00:12:39,700 And I found this rule of three X, 282 00:12:39,700 --> 00:12:42,380 you multiply by three the age of the company, 283 00:12:42,380 --> 00:12:45,380 and then you have the equivalent age of the human being. 284 00:12:45,380 --> 00:12:49,620 So if you go public, typically you would go public 285 00:12:49,620 --> 00:12:51,060 after six, seven, eight years. 286 00:12:51,060 --> 00:12:53,100 So only multiply by three is 21 years old, 287 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:56,340 which is the age you can legally drink in this country. 288 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:58,860 And going public is like, you're now an adult, 289 00:12:58,860 --> 00:13:00,940 you're a naked out there and you can't screw up 290 00:13:00,940 --> 00:13:03,060 because everybody's watching you. 291 00:13:03,060 --> 00:13:04,180 So it worked out really well. 292 00:13:04,180 --> 00:13:07,060 And then I meet with an entrepreneur and I said, 293 00:13:07,060 --> 00:13:08,060 well, when did you start a company? 294 00:13:08,060 --> 00:13:08,900 Well, three years ago, I said, 295 00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:10,380 okay, well, you're a nine-year-old kid. 296 00:13:10,380 --> 00:13:11,340 And they're always surprised. 297 00:13:11,340 --> 00:13:13,420 And I said, you're running the marathon 298 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:14,980 and you've done five miles, which is great, 299 00:13:14,980 --> 00:13:17,020 but you still have a long way to go. 300 00:13:17,020 --> 00:13:19,740 So I think the rule of three is actually pretty interesting 301 00:13:19,740 --> 00:13:21,740 and works in general, you know, pretty well. 302 00:13:21,740 --> 00:13:23,100 Thank you for being here today. 303 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:25,580 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 304 00:13:25,580 --> 00:13:28,220 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions 305 00:13:28,220 --> 00:13:30,500 as these episodes continue to move forward. 306 00:13:30,500 --> 00:13:32,220 This is gonna get more and more fun. 307 00:13:32,220 --> 00:13:34,020 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 308 00:13:34,020 --> 00:13:36,140 We'll invite people to participate in the show. 309 00:13:36,140 --> 00:13:38,500 And thank you for giving us your time and attention. 310 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:41,220 Have an excellent time building out your vision 311 00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:50,220 and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.