I was like, and this time, you can do it.
I won't necessarily give signals.
Sometimes I will, but feel free to just share as you see fit
because we have so much depth of vision exploration.
You've advanced your program so much since we first met you
that this is, to me, one of the most exciting episodes
we could possibly have because I wonder
how much of our audience that comes back
wants to see the then and now, the progress that happens.
And so many of the visionaries that we talk to,
there's not a lot to show.
In your case, there's all sorts of stuff to show.
You've been crushing it in so many different levels.
So if you were to think back over the last year,
Sue, what things have surprised you the most?
What things have advanced the most, in your opinion?
Well, basically the whole year.
I mean, it's been nuts.
I think overall, if I had to put it in a simple way
of saying it, it would be finding out the holes that I had
that made businesses that I've got or building.
It made them impossible.
They were going to fail because I had so many gaps in that.
I came up during hustle culture, work, work, work.
You can sleep when you're dead, do it yourself.
Definitely do it yourself.
This was-
You can sleep when you're dead.
I love that.
When you're dead, or go outside.
You can play and relax and be with your family
when you're done with everything.
When does that ever happen?
Right?
But I bought it.
Not unless you intentionally change it, right?
Exactly.
And I bought it for 17 years.
It's ridiculous.
So over the past year, that has been the biggest thing going,
now, wait a second.
That was not sustainable.
I did it for a life and we're going to work.
I would have figured that out.
And look at this entrepreneurretreatcenter.com.
You have this launch now.
You launched this while I was in Panama.
I had no idea until like two minutes ago.
I'm like, whoa, cool.
Ida Wildwood's Retreat Center
has a representation of itself.
But I love that you focus on what matters more than that.
Right?
There's that facade and there's the vanity side.
And it's not like our clothes aren't important, right?
But you getting responsibly naked, let's say,
with the vulnerability of like,
I have a lot to learn as a business leader.
Like, good for you for recognizing and highlighting that.
Let me let you go back to it.
But I wanted to say while we were looking at this,
that the Retreat Center website
and these updates people are about to see,
like you're constantly showing people
how you're moving these mountains.
So, but let's go back Sue.
Let's go back to what you're talking about.
Yeah, so it was like, again,
like if anybody's read the E-Myth,
which I reread thanks to you, thank you, thank you.
The whole thing with an org chart
and that whole concept of there is,
it is literally impossible for one person to do everything
that needs to get done in order to actually serve.
Maybe if you're, maybe there's some universal.
Maybe, I've never met him.
I don't know, I don't even wanna be there
cause that's just not it.
What I've realized over this past year is that,
especially Idlewild Woods Retreat Center,
this is such a big project that there is no,
I'm so grateful it's so huge
cause there's no earthly way I could do this on my own.
It's not gonna happen.
And having gotten to this point where,
everybody talks about what's your why.
Early in the year, I kind of stumbled onto,
wait, no, it's really more like who's your who?
Cause that will motivate me.
A why is about me.
Oh, I wanna leave a legacy for my kids.
I wanna, that's about me.
This is, that's not necessarily gonna motivate
and keep somebody going.
But when you've got a who that you're thinking about,
whole other thing, right?
So we are living in a barn.
It started off off grid.
I gotta check cause I record every week,
what do we do this week?
What do we do this week?
And so sometime back in around May, June, July,
we got power to the barn.
Before that, there was nothing.
So hard.
Yeah, it's a little weird.
And we chose this.
I was 57 when we, no, 56 when we moved up here.
I'm 57 now, my husband's a year older.
This is not normal late 50s type behavior, gotta say.
And I love it.
I love being connected to you guys.
Plus everybody who's listening in,
when Sue and I talked about how do you eat an elephant,
her response is best of all time.
She said, you wrap it in bacon.
One bite at a time wrapped in bacon.
I was like, that is so, that's so you.
You're so outside of the box
and you bring so much joy and passion
and you're building this amazing retreat center.
Again, keep going Sue.
Yeah, man.
You know, seeing, we've, you know,
for a while we didn't even have a porta potty.
We were, you know, like-
In the woods.
The answer to the question is
whether a bear does in the woods.
Oh yes.
I guess I was a bear, right?
But what kept me going is this passion
that I have for entrepreneurs.
Jackson, I know you see this
or you wouldn't be working with us.
Right.
It's this sense of we take ownership of a problem
we didn't cause.
Then we find, we devote ourselves
to making a solution for other people.
And that's the whole nature of business, you know?
And that-
I hope you write some materials on that
if you haven't already.
That was so beautifully said
and I've never thought about it that way before.
It's true though, if you think about that.
Like we all had a problem.
Probably we had a problem and we solved it.
Like, great, you got this problem too.
I can help you with that.
Well, you brought up a good point though.
You also said sometimes it's a problem that's not ours.
Right.
And that reminded me of like, yeah, I was in Uruguay
when I got told, you know, like when I realized that, ah,
my mission is great and my missionary work was important
but I needed to get home, take advantage of my education,
learn about business and help as many places
like that as possible.
And it was, it wasn't my problem, you know?
But I was the one who was called to solve that, you know?
And so those are my favorite types of entrepreneurs
to work with too is the ones who see outside of themselves.
Like, man, there's things like Junaid with his media school
and helping make sure that he gives a voice
to the underrepresented.
Like there's so, those are the leaders who really,
like I don't wanna say they're the ones
who all people inspire me.
But those are the ones that I know I can help.
Those are the ones that I know I can make a big impact with
and then my kids will look at that legacy
and be like, that's cool.
Dad did that.
Like dad was a superhero.
I can't believe that.
I don't know about that but.
Well, they will, they will.
You don't have to know it.
They do, you know?
Yeah.
And it's so true like that.
It's that sense of if, you know,
when you have a calling on your heart.
We hired Sue by the way.
This is where you're looking at is actual proposal.
Those who wanna pause and look at it.
Cynthia is just showing stuff.
She's showing all this stuff that has come through
and she came in as a guest on our show.
I went on as a guest on her show
and entrepreneur has gone wild as well.
Go check that show out for sure.
We passed some screen share on that.
And then she came in as a client
to work with us at First Class Business
and do our power launch stuff.
And then I got to see how awesome she is at what she does
with her other company, Triumph Communications and copy.
And we've got awesome needs for copy and opportunities there.
So then I turned around and gave her back all the money
that she gave us in addition to plenty more money
because she's an amazing provider
and she knows how to get the right things done
and be executive and develop with productivity
and profitability.
So you never know where opportunities can go
if we stop asking dumb questions that put people in a box.
You know, like, Sue, is this gonna turn into something
where I have to pay from you?
I'm like, what did you just, what did that person just do?
They just cornered somebody into a position of like,
I don't even know if I wanna engage
in this conversation anymore.
So I'm super happy to say that we've contracted
Triumph Communications to help us on copy.
And it has been a massive breath of fresh air
to have somebody by my side who understands our heart,
our mind, what we're up to.
And then I can turn those opportunities over to,
and you can engage in my team,
you can dive into resources, you know how to do it.
You don't fear doing so.
There's so many value opportunities there
because you are a phenomenal copywriting leader.
You understand how all that stuff works.
And in addition to that,
we've got this really cool retreat center
that we're getting ready to launch
and that you're gonna be able to take,
you do the soft opening for,
when is the soft opening on the retreat center?
I'm thinking it's gonna be beginning of May
because our first dome, we're getting geodesic dome
and it's coming from Canada.
It should ship next Wednesday.
And so tack on about eight weeks probably
to do the build for inside and that'll be it.
So.
I am so excited about this.
Retreat centers for entrepreneurs.
Think my friends, you hosting a retreat for entrepreneurs,
a mastermind style event or an event for like podfests,
like hosting podfests out there.
And now instead of being in a, don't get me wrong,
I like the luxury hotels too.
I like being in the city,
but we're talking about connecting people back to nature
and giving them the, and this right now, the soft opening,
how many would you host?
Like 10 people or 20?
No, so just one dome.
So, I mean, it depends on how good friends they are.
It's more comfortably, you can fit 10
if you wanna like really stack them in.
But that's just the first.
Perfect, so again, we're talking about a soft opening
of an intimate two to four people going.
I mean, this would be a co-founder's retreat
for instance, right?
Then later you're going to have other domes
and other environments.
I have a friend, a past friend, I should say that.
We have somebody who went and stayed with you
and they decided to go camping, right?
I think that's awesome.
And so people are into camping too.
What a great opportunity.
I know some entrepreneurs that are into building,
creating like materials for camping and stuff like that.
And that could be people into Patagonia, you know?
It's like, okay, you're all ready to go.
But I love that you're doing the soft launch
and making this available for people.
And what, there's no better opportunity
for people to come in right now and get a better price.
For sure, yeah, we're doing like 75% off, it's crazy.
Absolutely, it gives you guys experience.
It gives them experience.
You guys get to envision with them.
Those entrepreneurs then have the opportunity as well
to be part of this.
Yeah, oh yeah.
Your first guest, one of our first guests,
because we've taken some presales.
So one is coming to write his book.
It's a guy I've been talking to for 15 years.
Like write your book, man, write your book.
He's a single dad.
He is the most incredible parent.
It's amazing and he's finally doing it.
And he said, I wanna write it there.
I'm like, yes, you know?
Wow, that's huge.
Cause now they're a little bit more off the grid, right?
There's less distraction in that environment.
Oh man, that is so cool.
Keep going, Sue.
I'm just like, getting this vision out.
Yeah, no, I was like, like our first guests, you know,
we're gonna feed them, we're gonna do everything.
They've got basically 30 acres to themselves.
We're at the bottom of the hill.
They're up on the right, you know, which is-
You got a porta potty now or something like that?
They will have, so these are off grid, but they're not rough.
We're making it as luxurious as it can possibly be.
Like the most comfortable bed you've ever slept in probably.
A rainwater shower, an off grid toilet.
Don't be scared.
It's totally fine.
We've been using one for a year almost.
It's great.
Wood fired hot tub, wood fired sauna, this type of thing.
And internet will be up there.
But you know, if somebody wants us to hold their stuff,
like, hey, take my gadgets, cause they're distracting me.
We can put them in a safe for you.
Wow.
It's gonna be so cool.
So by May, you're already gonna have those amenities.
You already do have those amenities in place to where-
Some of these are in the process right now.
We've been experimenting with,
we love to do like, this is so cool.
This is so freaking cool, Juxi.
So there's a lot of businesses that have byproducts
that they can't, they have to pay to get rid of, right?
And we can use them.
So we build stuff from this.
So one thing would be mill ends from a sawmill.
They got us get rid of it.
Were they gonna burn it, you know, sell it?
I don't know.
So we go up and we pick them up
and we were able to build incredible things from this
without, you know, any further energy use.
You know, it's just like super green, I guess.
The other one is pallets.
So we're using pallets for a lot of building things.
We also had a tree service come through
and they were, you know, doing the whole county.
We're like, we'll take all your chips.
They're like, how many do you want?
I'm like, all of them.
So we're able to use these things.
So some of this is going into like the saunas
are gonna be built.
Pallets are part of their construction process,
which is like, oh my gosh.
No, that's so sustainable too.
It is, it's like, this is amazing.
We're helping them, they're helping us.
And it comes out fantastic for the guests.
So really cool with that.
The big dream is to have about 20 of these geodesic domes.
So we'll be able to house, what, four times 20,
you know, 80 people or more,
if they squeeze in a little bit more.
And a venue that we'll see a hundred.
And then I found, so I go and walks through the property
all the time now.
And I love it, get great ideas.
This is exactly what I want for the guests.
Go for a walk, get a great idea.
So I was walking and I'm like, huh,
there's this like gully in the woods
that where a couple of Hills are kind of meeting.
I'm like, we could build an amphitheater there.
That would be cool.
You know, so a little stage and seating for about a hundred.
That's going to go in a big like yoga deck.
I keep calling it, but you could do other things.
It could be an event on the, yeah.
But like one after another,
the ideas just keep coming to me while we're here.
And I'm talking with people and finding out like,
what do you like, I've got a survey going now for coaches.
I'm like, what do you want here?
We'll build a suit essentially.
Oh, you want hammocks?
We're going to do hammocks, you know,
whatever it is that you want.
But it's so cool.
Just like having these conversations with people
rather than guessing what people are going to want,
talk to them, find out, and then make it.
It's adaptable, right?
There's so many.
And that goes back to the conversations about copy,
even right?
The digital market and aspects.
And really us having an open mind as entrepreneurs, right?
When we have an open mind, it helps.
When we have a provider that we trust
to guide us through those types of questions too,
same reality exists there.
One of the opportunities that I hope
the visionaries listening in do is learn to operate
based on more security, like remove fear from the equation.
And part of that is working with people who you can trust,
right?
Where it's like, I can be vulnerable and say, you know what?
I haven't done a retreat like this before.
How can you help?
And if I feel like I've been taken advantage
of my entire life in relation to events and coordinators
and the event coordinator is gonna rob me blind or et cetera,
I'm probably not going to be able to maximize
that experience.
Because I'm gonna be scared.
I don't know if I wanna pay for that.
I don't know if I really want this part of the equation.
It's so important to find people that we can trust
and we can build with without the worry and fear
because then you can create experiences
that are like once in a lifetime
and that are completely unique.
So I love that you do so much to show me
that it's just so easy to trust you.
And I can't wait to host our conferences there.
I wanna be involved sooner than later.
And as you know, we're traveling a lot right now.
So I'm like, how do I get to Tennessee?
How do I make sure that that becomes a priority?
And you are the only reason I want to go to Tennessee
by the way.
Nothing against it.
I know nothing against it
but I went to Panama two weeks ago.
We built the studio with Junaid
for Home Studio Mastery in Atlanta last week.
We've got San Diego coming up at the end of this month
with social media marketing world.
We've got VidCon over in Anaheim in June.
In between there, I'm going to Columbia and probably Peru
and to meet up with a team in Columbia.
And then in September, I've got Columbia again
for the event with the Voice Academy.
And in November, we're planning on going to Africa
for the water project.
And then I just planned last night a trip to the Philippines.
I had to get all the details in place
but to get to the Philippines,
you have to go several places first.
So I would hit Tokyo in the process, Manila.
I can't remember the city that most of my team lives in
down there.
And then Cebu was another city in the Philippines.
And it's gonna be like a 21 day trip
in order to make sure that we maximize each of those.
So Tennessee is still in there.
And so here's Panama.
And you're part of the copywriting process.
How do we distribute the information about what we did there
and what we're doing worldwide?
Junaid and I wanna get over to Pakistan as well.
And then Harry and I need to get over to India
and help out with the India launch.
So, but the retreat center,
it's very possible that we sneak something in with you guys
either in June or July.
I think that'd be amazing.
We've got to, we've gotta find a way to pull it together
because there's just too much opportunity
not to make that happen, you know?
Oh yeah.
I wanna be one of the first.
You need to be.
I want to be.
You need to be.
I want to be.
So I've gotta find a way to get there and make this happen
because it is such an awesome, awesome retreat center.
So we're gonna cut to a little break, Sue.
We're gonna go back, those of you listening in,
we've talked about Idlewildwood Retreat Center
and we've talked about Triumph Communications
and what Sue does for copy.
But what you're getting is just like a firestorm
and a hydrant of like, whoa, look at this visionary leader
and all she's doing and how it's interlaced
with what we're doing at Vision Pros Live,
First Class Business, the Be Your Best Show.com,
Junaid's program, Home Studio Mastery
and what's going on there.
Like there's so much overlap.
And this is what the compound effect does for your lives
when you're working with people who add to
and don't take away from.
And Sue has been one of the greatest additions
to both our team and our client base.
And I can't say enough praise about her.
So we're gonna come back and do just that after the intro.
We'll see you guys on the other side.
All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live.
With Jackson Calame I'm your show host.
We will be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs
and guest leaders who are building
fantastic visions out there.
Hey, what's up everybody?
Welcome in to another episode of Vision Pros Live.
I'm so happy to be back.
I haven't done this in a while.
My team's been carrying the torch
and moving forward all sorts of episodes.
And today's episode is ultra special and ultra convoluted
because we're diving deep with a visionary
who's been on the show before.
So make sure to check out some of the pathway
that led to this.
But Sue Anderson is an absolute angel.
She's an absolute superhero.
She's an absolute rockstar.
She does so many great things.
We even hired her to do copy for our team and our projects.
And what's gone from what was me guesting
on Entrepreneurs Gone Wild, go check her show out as well.
She's also a super host.
And she's like an out of the box thinker
that comes out with the most amazing, authentic stories
and experiences.
Big into nature, of course, Entrepreneurs Gone Wild
and she came up with Vision Pros.
I cannot say enough about this leader
and all that she does and has done for what we're doing.
And all of you get the opportunity to go check out
this retreat center in Tennessee as well.
And we'll be hosting retreats there in the future.
That is one of our big visions
is to be able to host conferences over at her land
in space with these really cool domes.
We're gonna be outside.
And we'll talk about that more in a little bit,
but continue to follow and see what she's doing,
what she's building, because odds are what she's building
is quite grand in nature compared to what some
of you guys are building.
And what that means is when you can follow
in somebody's footsteps and model what they're up to,
if it's harder what they're doing,
odds are your path is gonna be that much easier
because they've paved a very big road
in front of you to follow.
So I highly recommend continuing to see what Sue has up to.
I'm gonna bring it back on in just a minute,
but I also wanna talk about and highlight
some of the sponsored opportunities,
some of the other resources that can help you
with your growth.
One of is opportunities for work.
Opportunities is our homegrown program.
Obreras de Trabajo para Latinos is the one
we're specifically gonna look at
because my Latino side of this operation has taken off
and is expanding quite rapidly.
And the Latino team is just absolutely crushing it
on this opportunity.
And what it is is if you're looking for virtual assistance,
go talk to my team, go ask them about why we do what we do,
how we do it.
We are huge on training people and making sure
that the training programs are profound.
They have 90 days of training that they go through
before we ever bring them into anything
so that we know that they know how to be authentic,
they know how to work hard,
they know how to work with love and patience
and persistence, consistency and reliability,
and that we've got great relationships in place
before we worry about all the how's it done
and what do you guys actually do.
Those are later conversations.
As Sue pointed out earlier, the who matters most
followed by, in my opinion, the why.
We're working towards the same purpose
and then we move into building together from there
if it makes sense.
And so opportunities for Latinos,
there's a phenomenal opportunity there
to also go and be on the show with them
where we speak Spanish
and where we inspire the world of Latinos to take action
and follow some of the Latino leaders that we find out there
and put on stage.
Cynthia, who does post-production for this show
and a lot of the,
and works in our design department as well,
she's the host of Opportunities for Latinos,
as is Luisa, who started the host on this show
six weeks after learning what podcasting was,
what LinkedIn is.
It's amazing what we can do
when we train people really, really well.
Then there's Learn and Grow Rich with Zach Oman.
Learn and Grow Rich has become our chief financial officer
and why do we bring him on as chief financial officer?
Because we also saw that he's capable of scaling.
You can go directly to Zach and work with him.
You can also work with Zach through first-class business.
I'm not worried about it.
I don't have a scarcity mindset.
I've got an abundant mindset.
That's why I want people to connect
because the more we allow people to connect,
the more we get out of the way of trying to control things
and we just provide freedom of choice to people,
the better it is for everybody
to be able to create a win-win-win experience.
Zach's programs started on the exact opposite side
of the shore as mine.
And so if you think about a bridge,
Zach and I realized we've got a five-foot gap
between our bridges and we're in the process
of integrating those right now.
That way, everything that he's built on his side,
which eerily looks identical to what we do,
but with all different positions
and all different infrastructure,
and then he looks the same thing on my side
and sees that when we pull those together,
we create an even stronger bridge for everybody.
And so Zach is a brother from another mother
who's been doing an awesome job on helping us
with the financial department and the needs
that our companies and clients face for scale.
I highly recommend reaching out to him,
talking to him, and seeing what he's up to in the world.
Then there's the water project.
The water project is not something we're related to,
but I really hope that this is the year.
The plan is in November
to actually go see one of these projects.
We've been contributing in small ways this for a very long time.
And when it came across my radar,
I learned that there's millions of people
who don't have access to clean drinking water.
Those of us who get the chance to listen to podcasts
or rock the mic for podcasts,
I don't know of too many causes out there
that have a more immediate impact on people
and a more generational impact.
Once these communities have access to a borehole well
or a sand dam, it gives them the ability
to stay focused on their education,
to stay focused on building their own economy,
to be able to make sure that kids aren't walking
three to five miles to try to find access
to any source of water so that the family
or the school can continue to operate and function.
And honestly, it can break your heart
to learn about these stories.
My hope is that you will see the opportunity
to break your heart like a seed, right?
So that your seed breaks open and it can grow
and have that much more capacity to do more.
You click on these links that Cynthia's showing,
you're gonna see which communities you can help
and when you contribute to it,
they send you the evidence
of having fulfilled these projects.
You get to help between 300 and 600 people,
their life for the next 10 generations or beyond,
however long that well is sustainable for.
So I highly recommend checking it out.
If there's another cause that you'd rather see a support,
please put the comment in the links.
It gives me the chance to take a look
and learn at what's out there
and see if we can help and support with that too.
We've got 8 billion people to help in this world
and that's really what the show is all about
is how do we pull together, share our visions
and help the people who need it most?
Random shout out to Fiona of Fiji Book Drive
as I get another example of that.
That's a cause that came on the show
that I like to talk about because, oh,
and they sent me this really beautiful photo
of the kids who get books thanks to her program.
And it's leaders like that, leaders like you,
that as you step up and serve your local community
or decide to serve something globally,
the size isn't that important to me.
And what matters to me is are we serving
and helping people as much as possible?
And thank you for joining us in the show to do that.
Back to serving each one of you, Sue Anderson,
welcome back to Vision Pros Live.
Thanks, Jackson.
This is so cool.
Everything about what first-class business is up to
is just inspiring.
Like you gotta be on more stages
because this is like, oh my gosh, it's just incredible.
I love that you say it.
Thank you for the ego boost, right?
And they know, but thank you for the authentic reality
of that too.
I know for myself, Sue, that it's so important
that our company is in a scalable position
to honor the people that we get in front of on those stages.
I take that very, very, it's very sacred to me.
And so if I'm gonna be on the stage
in front of 10,000 people who I'm going to inject hope into,
then I wanna know that we've got a path
where those 10,000 people can come
and receive the type of value where their newfound hope,
their inspiration, they can fulfill on it
and not say, oh, yeah, there's another guy
who promised the world and didn't fulfill.
And I'm not pointing fingers at anybody
who goes on stages prematurely,
yet I am pointing out that for myself,
it is going to be leaders like you by my side
who empower me to have that certainty that it is time,
right, that it's time for us to go and do that
at the next level.
And as you know, we've got certain systems coming out
over the coming weeks where we are gonna be going
from 300 touch points per day
to over 2000 touch points per day with people.
And I hope other entrepreneurs and visionaries,
and if you've got a cause out there, same thing.
If you work in the nonprofit sector,
I hope that you guys see the opportunity
that if you really wanna scale to that next level,
one of the greater challenges
that is often left unaddressed is, okay,
what happens when we go from zero to 80 miles per hour
within five seconds if we don't know how to turn the ship?
Right, or we don't have an e-brake that can pause
because there's always walls and there's always obstacles.
And a lot of the best visions out there,
they end up blowing up before people even hear about it
because they don't think through the byproduct of scale
and the repercussions that can exist with it.
And so I'd love for us,
let's take a little bit of time to look at that
because you and I both share that same style of philosophy.
We are very prudent with how we move forward the processes,
yet that doesn't mean we don't act with diligence.
That doesn't mean we don't promote what we're up to.
How do you go about balancing that?
And I've got you here, you're larger than life to me.
You're like the best thing that hit our company
in a long time.
And there's some great things
that are constantly hitting our company.
So how do we balance that?
Let me back it up a little bit.
There are plenty of guys and women out there
who can get on a stage and who can give a rousing,
totally genuine, very inspiring message.
And that is fantastic.
But people can come away and they're like,
hopefully it's gonna stick with them.
Hopefully they don't come out to the parking lot
and find that they got a flat tire
and then all of it's gone, right?
But I love that you have had this forward thinking,
looking at the long, long-term,
what is actually the way that I can lead people
into being able to fulfill their purpose here.
And so you didn't just settle with having a message.
You've built this whole mechanism.
You've trained an entire team.
You've gathered from around the entire planet,
literally, to build this team.
It's crazy to think about.
It is.
And equipped them with leadership training,
not just like, okay, here's how you do this task,
that part too, but not just that.
You've got the leadership.
I've seen how the team interacts
and they're cheering each other on.
They're not like vying for, I'm better, I'm better.
Oh, like meh.
None of this, they're calling each other out.
Like, hey, I haven't heard from you.
Are you, you know, is this,
this is leadership and that's what transforms
everything on it.
And I think that makes it like the weight of that.
You know, if any entrepreneur who's, you know,
like driving a destiny type of, oh my goodness,
this is huge.
This is so much bigger than just one person.
Leadership becomes infinitely more important
at that point, I think.
And it's that sense of leadership that helps us
to look five, six, seven steps down the road.
So again, you weren't content,
hey, I'm just gonna get up and inspire some people
from stage.
No, no, I've got a whole thing that I gotta build out,
which is super cool.
Like, and it's evolving and you're not taking decades
and decades to do it, which would be a shame
because the world needs it now, you know.
I think that's part of it,
is having that sense of leading ourselves,
leading the people that we're working with,
having that reciprocal leadership.
So they're leading us, we're leading them.
We're still at the helm here,
but I think all of those things come together
to make it this, a doable thing,
to build something that will truly change lives long-term.
Like from the, you know, you've got the water project,
you've done incredible things for, you know,
the clients and team have done things for the team.
Like it is, it's inspiring and awesome and massive.
And I think that it takes maybe a special kind of brain
to be able to hold the massive nature of this endeavor.
And it's-
So Dr. Todd Snyder said, I mean,
I gotta give him a shout out.
But one, I don't have a diploma, right?
So there's nothing to like bolster that with.
But he said, Jackson, you know,
after working with me for two months to build this stuff,
he said, Jackson, I've administered IQ tests
to thousands of people.
I've never met anybody even close
to as intelligent as you.
And I'm like, I'm just Jackson.
I mean, it's a good thing.
It's flattering, but it's also like, whoa,
that's a huge-
And he said, his point with it, he said, Jackson,
you've gotta stop downplaying your genius.
Yeah.
People need to know it.
They need to understand it.
And there's that quote that like,
you don't wanna be the smartest person in the room.
And I'm like, come on, you know,
like I'm cursed with this then, you know?
And no, no, no, like there's a difference
in knowing confidently that you have genius
and that everybody else is still just as valuable
and important as you are.
And there's still perspective, you know?
And so my, I always say my 13 year old,
she's got 13 years of perspective that I don't have, right?
So the ability to appreciate and make space for people,
but to also know that, yeah, no,
like it is important to realize
not everybody can do something like this.
Not everybody's meant to do something like this.
Not everybody should do something like this, you know?
And so those are elements that it's,
we're still all here to learn from each other,
figure out what's gonna be of best value
to the people that we're serving
and you do all these beautiful things,
these animals too, and the nature stuff,
and it's, oh, it's cute,
and the retreat center that's there.
And, you know, we do want people to capture
the essence of like, catch the vision
of how valuable this is for everybody that's out there.
And like you said, it's the leaders who support this.
They're gonna make that, like shine that light on this
so people can see it and say like, whoa, okay,
this is something that could help me.
And you're doing a phenomenal job
of supporting us by the way.
Thank you.
You know, I think that, you know, talking about leaders,
it's, I think one thing that leaders
are really lacking these days
and you see it when you're talking with, you know,
we have a lot of conversations, like a couple of times a week.
I know you meet with some clients like every day,
like it's like that.
It's a lot of conversation.
Hustle culture says, don't, that's a waste of time,
you know, which is ridiculous.
Entrepreneurs have that because they've got the,
oh, I gotta work, I gotta.
The thing that I think we're craving so much
and that will move the needle for so many
is to have unhurried time together in conversation.
You know, we don't have that usually.
We're like, oh, I got a hard stop at this time.
Oh, I gotta go, I gotta go, I'll catch the replay.
But if we can have face-to-face time,
I think that's gonna be just world-changing.
And if you can gather people,
like the type of people I'm planning to gather here,
oh my goodness, like, can you imagine?
Any and every mistake that we make at First Class Business
is when we are rushing and having hurried conversations.
It is, that is the only time we face drama and mistakes.
We are very intentional about never being the victim
of not having enough time, right?
Yeah, all I have is time.
That's like the one resource that I am given
and you can't get it back, right?
So how we choose to use that time and then intentionally say,
you know what, I'm not gonna rush this.
I'm going to accept that the result's going to be different
than I expect or that I want, but I'm gonna slow down
and I'm gonna have the right conversation.
I'm gonna look at things, you know,
I'm gonna stop looking at the things
and I'm going to look more at the relationship
that's right here in front of me
and how we can build on that.
And so we were talking about that with the show.
You know, we've got the hour show
and then I've got a 30-minute break after.
One thing I didn't ask Sue is, do you have a hard stop?
No, I don't.
I'm good.
Perfect.
And so what Sue and I were talking about,
I said, you know, we want to just give and give
and give and give and give and give, you know,
and all the way up until the next appointment,
but we would do ourselves a disservice
if we did not stop, pause the show, you know,
or stop the show and then debrief together
and see what do we learn?
What can we do to maximize what we've given the people?
And having that intentionality to use our time
the best way possible, that is something that,
it's like books like this that teach me how to do that.
It's not natural to know how to master our time
and to use it accordingly.
It's also not natural to hustle through life, you know,
at incredible speeds, but it's also not natural
to slow down and not, you know what I mean?
Like meditate and think through what you're going to do.
Those are all learned behaviors.
Yeah.
And then we focus on it, we win better.
First class business has been, you know,
I've joked and I've written a little bit about,
it's almost like standing naked at the doctor, right?
It feels very, very vulnerable.
I'd rather do that sometimes.
Yeah, it's like, all right, you know,
you're going through the power launch process
and it's like, oh, what's this look like in your business?
What's your org chart?
What's the, you know, it's like, oh no, I'm naked.
But it takes, you know, having conversation,
like, you know, a level of trust,
I think that comes from somebody actually slowing down.
Like if the doctor, if it were a literal doctor's office
and you're standing there naked and he does a drive-by,
oh, yep, given this, you're not going to trust
what they said, like, hopefully, you know,
but having somebody who's taking the time to really,
the care enough to ask these very uncomfortable questions
sometimes like, oh, I have never done this.
Okay, I've never, there's so many gaps that we have
as entrepreneurs that whoever we learned
how to entrepreneur from and probably a mishmash
of all kinds of stuff that we've bought and attended
and all this, there's gaps and they're big.
And it's bad enough, it's going to hit us.
It's going to hit everybody we're trying to serve
and everybody on our team, like, oh no.
And having those unhurried conversations where, you know,
the doctor is looking and they see and they're hearing you.
That's where you want to get help, you know?
And it's like, oh, okay, yeah.
They see what it is, they're not coming in here
willy-nilly with a scalpel, you know?
This is somebody who's paying attention.
That's huge.
And I-
How do we encourage more visionaries
to make room and space for that experience?
Because as you know, we've lost our clients along the way.
We've lost team members along the way.
We've, you know, it's hard.
It's not easy for people to address the pains that they face,
or the realities.
And let's look at it from that hospital standpoint.
It's like, if somebody has their arm severed off, right?
You're gruesome, you know, I know, painful.
Well, in order to help that person,
you unfortunately have to cause a bit of pain
in the process, you know, of making sure that, you know,
you stop the bleeding, you know?
And that's, nobody wants that.
That's why you put people to sleep before you operate on them,
you know, because they're otherwise, they're gonna fight.
And so with entrepreneurial work,
you have to go through the same types of painful processes
of removal and of vulnerabilities,
but people have to be conscious of what they're going through.
So what are some things that you think myself
and other leaders who have to, you know,
who have an opportunity to inspire people to level up,
but they have to do things that are way outside
their comfort zone.
What can we learn from this experience?
There are two things that come to mind.
One is, let's say you're the surgeon,
you're specialized in reattaching severed arms, pretty cool.
You've got to wait for somebody to come to you.
People are not gonna come to you
till their arm is hanging off by a thread
and you can't treat them if they don't come in, right?
So I think that's part of the content that we create
is it's gotta speak to that person so that they can see.
These are very private, you know,
secret type of fears that people have,
the fear of success, fear of failure,
the way that that plays out,
it's like what is keeping them up at night?
Literally they're eating Tums, you know,
trying to solve this thing,
but they don't wanna tell anybody about it.
In a way, if you create content that speaks to them
and it echoes what's already going on in their head,
that kind of like gives them a hope that maybe,
oh, wait a second, they might understand me.
So that's a big part is you've gotta find a way
that they're gonna come to you
because you can't go to all of them
and you certainly can't attach the arm in their garage.
The other part kind of hinges on that too.
And I think it's being able to tell stories really well.
That's a huge asset, a skillset to have
that, you know, if I can tell somebody's story
or if you're telling somebody's story,
you've had tremendous experiences working with clients,
with team, all of this, you're an excellent storyteller.
And I think as people tell stories,
that's what kind of engages somebody.
It's like the back, the hack to get into the brain.
You know, we love, if you say,
hey, we're gonna tell a story.
All right, everybody's like,
from kindergarten on we were trained,
like if somebody's telling a story,
this is gonna be good, you're gonna sit, you know.
But I think that that's part of it, you know,
that can finally communicate points
that could be tough to swallow otherwise.
The amount of value that you just provided to me
in that one, like I'm gonna be meditating on this
for some time.
You reminded me of the movie, The Physician.
And it's not a well-known movie,
but The Physician is about this guy
who performed the first appendicitis.
Oh, wow.
And it's a hilarious movie of medieval times, right?
And which doctor stuff and what these quacks were doing
to like cure people and not really.
And a lot of the religions at that time
didn't believe in cutting open the body
and exploring the body and understanding what it was.
And so we live in a time where, as you said,
like those with severed arms,
like they need to come to you, right?
And so oftentimes the entrepreneur says,
well, let's just not help that market.
I mean, like it's far easier to help people
with less dramatic problems or who are farther along
and don't have these challenges.
But to your point, that's like,
I want to create the content
where those people know they're safe.
And back then with the appendicitis,
they didn't have the ability to put people to sleep, right?
So we live in a very modern world
where a lot of the buildup and processes
to create some of the miraculous victories
and quick remedies, we think that's always existed.
I do, and no, we probably need to figure out
what's the anesthesia for entrepreneurs
so that they stop abandoning the process.
So they don't get in a situation of panic
where they run from the pain and the reality
of the change that needs to exist.
So I'm gonna be studying this a lot over the coming months.
And it is these types of mastermind sessions
that don't typically happen publicly, right?
And that people may not catch the full value of,
but it is these conversations that lead to the gold,
the diamonds, the realities of what's possible long-term.
And I guess I'll ask you to, in terms of vision,
what else do you, where do you plan on going with your vision?
And what else is on the horizon
that's gonna help you fulfill the visions
that you're on your way in building?
So one of those, a hinge is on the last thing that you said.
So add one more thing to your meditation here.
Imagine you're in a situation in a container,
as the coaches say, where there's not a clock
necessarily running.
And let's say you're there with 10 other entrepreneurs
and somebody like you who's able to help do this surgery.
You know what the anesthetic becomes is community.
Having other people there to witness
what you're going through and to say,
oh my gosh, yeah, that's me too.
And to have that unhurried treatment time.
Yes, I mean, eventually you all gotta go home,
but a lot can happen when there's no cell phones dinging,
there's no gotta go get food, gotta do, you know,
when you just have that unhurried time together.
I think that that's where that comes in.
So bringing that forward, you know,
Idlewildwoods, I kind of feel like this might just be
the first of several places like this.
I can envision, and this sounds like crazy talk
because we haven't even built the first one yet,
but here's what I'm envisioning is having a whole string,
like a necklace going across the country.
Like, oh, you wanna go to Utah?
Oh, you wanna go to Missouri?
Oh, you wanna, you know, like being able to help
other entrepreneurs who have a similar vision.
Like, I don't know that I wanna open that many myself,
but I would love to consult and help them.
Cause I've talked with,
I used to have a podcast called Glampalooza.
And I started that because I was like,
I don't know anything about hosting,
I'm gonna learn, right?
As I was talking to these people,
a lot of people were like,
you're building an entrepreneur retreat center?
I wanna do that.
You know, and other people that have just,
they've encountered me, one lady reached out on Facebook,
hey, I'm doing the same thing,
but it's gonna be in Ohio.
And I'm like, that's amazing, or Indiana.
I'm like, that is amazing.
It's another one of those projects where it's like,
oh, we can help each other through this.
Cause the mission on it is so big.
It's like competitors, that's not even a thing.
Like this is, each place will have, it's host,
they're uniquely suited to serve the people
who are gonna come there.
And so that's what I see coming.
This could be just ginormous.
It is, and it's, I'll shift the gears.
It's not even could be, it just is.
Yeah.
Right, that is what it is.
And so people in markets that don't,
you know, there's a lot of markets who don't understand that,
but you don't have to look too far.
Right, the University of Stanford
and the University of Harvard, they're not competitors.
They have their own thresholds of capacity.
They beat each other up on the football field
and on the basketball field and all that,
but that's all part of driving the holistic growth.
And that's a bigger part of the community
and the sense of belonging too.
And so there's that same reality exists,
not just in the sports world, but in our world of business.
And while there's plenty of people who don't get it,
I'm sure there's tons of universities
who don't get it either and try to do their own thing
and try to make it about themselves.
But the ones who are really crushing it, right?
The ones who are really getting after it,
they don't have this fear of competition.
That's not a driving force.
They have this openness about collaboration
and what's possible.
And so I definitely, I think that's the inevitable reality
of what you're creating Sue,
is you're creating a sense of abundance
that's gonna continue to drive thriving cultivation
of relationships, opportunities that exist
in different cities, different states, different countries.
As well, we only talked about the necklace across.
Oh yeah.
But being involved in the planetary reality
like what we're doing with first-class business
means that we're going to have these opportunities
in Columbia, Peru, Pakistan, India, Philippines
and whatever countries we touch next.
So it's truly global.
I get to work on-
Musk might be making this planetary.
Oh my, you'll see.
I mean, why stop there?
Mars on the space shuttles, who knows what else?
So he can worry and plan about that.
I let people do the research and development, right?
And pave the harder paths forward.
But, and you've done that with the retreat center.
I love what you're building.
I know how needed this is in the world.
And so I'm excited to be part of the process
of bringing it to fruition.
It all started with us meeting on a couple of podcasts.
Yeah.
We met theoretically, big shout out to Stacey.
Oh, I love Stacey.
Stacey Lauren.
Oh man.
So yeah, Stacey Lauren hosted something
with Alex Sanfilippo.
We got to give him a huge shout out as well.
Cause I wouldn't have gone
had Alex not been a part of that.
Then I got to see how Stacey's the running community
was right when she was doing her Ted talk.
And that was really neat to see.
And she's great at building online communities.
And you were in there talking about the retreat center
a little bit, just commenting in that one little meeting.
And I happened to make some comments,
just providing a little bit of supporter
or materials of what I had seen in the market.
And next thing you know, we're both on a podcast together.
And here we are, what has it been, six months?
Probably.
About that.
I mean, it feels in a good way.
It feels like six years of depth.
And yet it's only been six months
and we've accomplished so much on both sides.
Can you imagine where we're going to be six years from now?
Oh, I know.
It's crazy.
We were looking at it.
Let's forget that.
Let's do that publicly.
Where are we going to be six years from now Sue?
That's amazing.
Thinking about this.
Well, I think we're going to be like,
we're going to have a list like as long as our arms
of things, places that we've been able to serve
and help and people, groups of people
that have been transformed.
That's for sure.
Like your whole screen is going to be blacked out
with the logos of all the staff.
Yes, I think you're right.
That's going to be incredible.
Of all of the clients, all the brands,
the leaders who are training and incubating
in first-class businesses you talked about, right?
They're going to the leadership academy.
They're all learning truths and values
that makes them self-sustainable.
That's beneficial for our company,
but it's also between that and the passion for our project,
we're learning who wants to launch their own brands.
So in six years, I could literally see hundreds
of our team members already having power launched
all of their own brands, not just supporting the clients
that come to the process, but literally having hundreds
of team members who started as unqualified virtual assistants,
meaning they've never done virtual assistant work.
They've never had LinkedIn before.
They didn't know about Canva Network and podcasting.
And I can see how within the six years,
we could literally have hundreds of those individuals
running their own profitable companies
and using the retreat centers, right?
That you have been involved with creating and setting up
and going across that necklace string of retreat centers
to visit them, to be part of like, oh, this is huge.
I know, right?
And then too, you're like, you're bringing in the clients,
right?
You've got the team and they're starting
to build their own things.
And you've got the clients and some of them have things
that would help the team, right?
Just the collaboration possibilities
are just unfathomably huge.
They are.
It's so cool.
Speaking of Travis Chambers,
and the person you met in Ohio,
and then there's Travis Chambers with the Outpost in Utah.
And there's so many others that, you know,
we talked about this creating a kind of like
a Hilton rewards type network of these places.
So that it's just, it's like second nature.
It's like, okay, we did the one in Tennessee.
Now we gotta go do the one over in Ohio.
And then we gotta go over to the one at the Outpost.
And like, it kind of, it becomes like Disneyland
for entrepreneurs.
Yes.
That's what I see happening.
It's like every time you go,
you're engaging in these workshops too.
And so now you've got revenue growing.
Can you imagine that?
You go from one conference to the next.
And every time you get there, your revenue has grown
because of the experience.
And it's like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not diva.
I'm a big fan by the way of having a home base.
A big fan of it nowadays.
I did the Nomad thing earlier in life.
And I realized that my kids would have benefited
from having the same type of like infrastructure
and community stability that I had had.
But that doesn't mean I want to shoot down the Nomad lifestyle
and say, don't do it.
As much as, okay, if I'm going to go the Nomad route,
or if I'm going to encourage my kids to go that route,
what are the other variables, right?
What are the other missing elements
that would be really important for them to be able
to benefit from the same type of community stability
that I had during my generation,
while also having the flexibility and remote access
to world opportunities that doesn't leave them
in a situation of isolation or in a situation where,
like my second wife, the mother of my youngest child,
COVID crushed us.
We literally moved back from Mexico
with no intention of staying in the US
during an international crisis
where she got trapped in a foreign country.
So we couldn't have predicted that.
But now that I've seen how many,
like what risks exist with the Nomad lifestyle,
it's like, okay, we don't want to shut that down.
I don't want to have the PTSD to the level
where it's like, I'm not going to consider that as an option.
But I think we're on to something within six years, Sue,
where it's like, we're going to be able to create
a new sense of stability and infrastructure
that empowers the Nomad life,
while also maintaining that sense of community and belonging
that anybody in the 90s grew up with.
Yeah.
What are your thoughts on that?
So I'm Gen X.
We spend our days outside, drink from a hose.
You come in when the lights come on, you're outside.
I was, my siblings are all Gen X.
All right, so you were raised by Gen X.
Yes, 100%, being there with them.
And there's that, you know,
I think there's such value to having,
I'm familiar with this tree.
I'm familiar with, oh, I see how the water moves here.
Like that type of thing is very hard to do that.
I think if you're in hotels for conference,
like where was I?
I have no idea.
You can picture it's the same hotel everywhere, right?
But I think when we're able to really anchor again,
slowing down, having those conversations,
I think that that helps to build that sense of home.
When people are able to go back multiple times,
like, oh, I always go to Utah for this one.
Oh, I always hit, you know,
I go to this thing in Tennessee.
I go to this.
It starts to kind of build more of like a branch
that has roots to it.
Like a tree basically is, you know, the people who come,
the people that you spend time with repetitively there,
these relationships get deeper and deeper.
And then it's, they're well, you know,
because of the caliber of people,
they're welcoming other people in.
So it just grows like that.
I feel like we're just, we can create a community
that is doing incredible things in the world.
You know, teaching like, oh, like some of the things,
you know, that happened with the team
at First Class Business,
the way that you've been able to invest in them
and their leadership and, you know, changing lives.
What would happen if every entrepreneur
who went to any of these things learned how to do that?
What would happen in their community?
Like, oh my God.
It'd scale.
It'd scale and it'd scale with happiness.
Yeah.
That's where it gets, I wake up,
I see the messages from the team members
and I'm like overwhelmed with just joy.
Like, this is so neat.
Like these people, their lives are changing.
They're happy to come to work.
It's like meeting my best friends every day.
They are, they become my best friends in the process.
It is so wonderful.
And that gives us energy
to be able to produce great results.
So I'm glad you talk about that.
One of my absolute favorite books growing up,
I read it many, many, many, many times,
was The Giving Tree.
Oh.
Right, by Shel Silverstein.
And you remind me of that and it's like, okay,
what I say is almost, oh, what's the word for that?
A heretic.
It's almost sacrilegious in nature because I'm like, okay,
I don't wanna devalue the importance
of that physical tree that exists there, right?
I had that environment growing up.
And is there an end that exists there with online tokens?
Where if somebody is doing the nomads, the nomad side,
can they still have the tokens that allow them
to feel connected to their online environment
while still having a full holistic appreciation
for the offline world too, right?
Not like that movie, the movie Surrogates is amazing,
by the way, with Bruce Willis, it's awkward,
but it's like so spot on a lot of WALL-E style ways
that is quite impressive.
Same thing with Fifth Element, but Surrogates even more so.
And that challenge of getting lost in the technology,
but I think as much as I would say,
you can't really get lost in the world,
Ralph Aldo Emerson, David Henry Thoreau style,
like I don't think they got lost,
they just had a discovery route.
But what I'm getting at this interface right here,
for instance, this is part of my tree virtually.
Like this is, I will have a hard time
for getting the brand presence of Vision Pros Live
and the sponsors and the water project
and first-class business,
and then being with leaders like you.
And it's one of those tokens that has allowed
my Pakistan team, my Philippines team,
my Colombian team, my Peruvian team,
like all of us and all of the Americans
that I work with as well to have kind of like,
almost like a physical token to pull us together
as we amplify the value of those and make the time
where we're not rushing as you talked about, right?
It solidifies a different type of,
and as a big shout out to Cynthia,
who's behind the scenes producing for us.
Her and I have been friends for eight years.
We've been working together very closely
for about three years.
We met in Panama two weeks ago,
it was our first time meeting in person
and she is my best friend.
She's been my best friend for years.
And to be able to meet in person and hug for the first time,
to be able to work together and not have Zoom interrupt us,
or some internet, I should pick on Zoom,
but the internet fall apart or electricity or something.
I think a lot of people are still very, very unfamiliar
with just how powerful online relationships can be
and how authentic and real they can be.
And we're on the cusp of unlocking new levels
of relationship realities that over the next six years
are going to create more stability for the nomads
that are out there that if they face the challenges
that my ex-wife and I faced,
there can be a lack of roots that the kids
and that the couple themselves are subject to
that makes it very hard to keep the family together.
That makes it very hard to feel like you have any sense
of community at all.
And that's also to me, one of those very big
obscure vision realities that we're gonna be making
resources and infrastructure for
over the coming five to six years.
Yeah, oh man.
It comes down to those conversations again.
You and Cynthia talk how many times a day,
and it's like over years and years and years.
And if somebody told you before you start,
okay, now you're gonna talk to this woman,
you're never gonna see her for six years,
you're gonna be talking to her three times a day,
she's gonna know stuff, you're gonna know stuff.
You'd be like, what?
It sounds overwhelming.
It's absurd.
Or to think that I was gonna have a company
with multiple companies
or that I was gonna be working with people
all throughout the world.
Like that, no, like that never was the plan.
Yeah.
Right, it wasn't the plan.
And that's like, again, but had I been addicted
to the destination, right?
Had I been addicted to my original destination plan
versus open to appreciate in the journey
and realizing that I don't know the final destination,
I just show up and live to my best in the moment,
that took me some time to learn to figure out too,
but it's amazing how many new doors and new levels
and new fun, new beauty that it opens
when we allow ourselves to just kind of be
and receive what's there.
And it is leaders like yourself
that allow me to explore and play with that
in a way that is, that you helped me cultivate it
in ways that are both respectful and safe.
And I don't take that for granted at all.
It's like what I appreciate most about life
is having friendships and relationships like you by my side.
Yeah, it makes us more courageous.
I mean, doing anything different is kind of scary.
Can be really scary.
But when you've got people who really see
and love you enough to talk you through
and tell you the truth and hang with you, that's huge.
That's what encourage us, fills us with courage
to be able to go do the thing.
Absolutely, vision pros, you heard it from Sue Anderson
of Idlewild Woods Retreat Center.
You now know the caliber of leader that I feel that she is.
I hope that you have the opportunity to connect with her,
not just about the retreat center,
but also about your copy to Triumph Communications.
And also in relation to what is it
that you're trying to accomplish.
She's a fantastic wise guide to somebody who,
not wise guy, wise guide.
That's great.
Who's also willing to have fun with you.
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