1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,020 Dr. Henderson, we'd love to hear some stories that pertain to your why 2 00:00:05,980 --> 00:00:08,280 Well, you know I started out 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,440 in functional neuroimaging and 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,480 You know, I would read brain spect scans, which is a functional brain scan on 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,400 patient after patient after patient and 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,520 I'd be telling them well you have a brain injury 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,000 We don't have a treatment for you so have a nice life we can't do anything for you and 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:38,920 That's very frustrating for a physician. I'm a healer. I believe that my job is to heal people and 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,040 so 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,120 To say to someone I've got nothing for you 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,760 was very frustrating and 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,480 so when the science about 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,880 infrared light began to emerge and the workout of infrared light 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:01:00,080 And the workout of Harvard and Uniform Circus Hospital and some of these other places was coming out 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,920 Showing that in a mouse model and a rabbit model 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,520 They could induce brain healing. I 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,120 Got very excited 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,360 and in fact because 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:18,680 One of the key factors that infrared light turns on is a is a growth factor called brain derived 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 neurotrophic factor or BDNF 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,560 There's a side story in there talk about you know my why 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,120 This is literally what I did my postdoctoral research on 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,320 So I have a PhD and my PhD was on brain development and 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:40,880 Then I had two NIH funded postdoctoral research grants as a medical student and a graduate student 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,040 and as a resident and 26 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,440 You know that work was focused on BDNF. So I know BDNF very very well 27 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,520 It's an old friend and so suddenly I realized I had a way to activate 28 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:00,320 This key growth factor in the adult brain and induce healing 29 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,720 That's very exciting. So that was really the why of why I got involved in all of this 30 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,360 That's awesome. Thank you for sharing that with us. Yeah 31 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,880 Where would you say Dr. Henderson that you're going with your vision? 32 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,880 Yeah 33 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:28,040 Well infrared light therapy or photobiomodulation as the entire field is called 34 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,920 Photo being light bio life modulation being altering 35 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,520 It's it's a mixed field right now 36 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,600 There's a lot of people working with low-power infrared light 37 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,280 They're putting creating devices you can buy and stick on your head and 38 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,720 Pads that you can put on your you know shoulder or your back or whatever wrap around your knee 39 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:02,120 And then there are you know, a very small group of us that are working with the high power or multi watt infrared light 40 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,000 Now multi watt infrared light particularly with what we're doing 41 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,840 Gets through the skull and the scalp and into the brain and we're directly 42 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,160 Treating the brain cells these low-power devices 43 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,200 They don't even penetrate the skin 44 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:27,000 And so what they're doing is and they're inducing some chemical in the skin and I've shown that 45 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,040 And I could talk about that study 46 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:36,280 And that chemical does something beneficial for the whole body so 47 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,240 You could put the infrared light pad on your knee and you'll help your brain as well 48 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,720 But it's at a very low level. It's very small benefit 49 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:52,760 And so, you know my vision is to kind of try to consolidate the field towards 50 00:03:52,760 --> 00:04:00,680 An understanding that if you want to treat the brain, you've got to treat it directly. That's where you get the most robust changes 51 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,480 And that's where you get the lasting changes 52 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:10,920 These low-power devices work as long as you keep using you use them every day. You'll see benefit as soon as you stop 53 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,240 It starts to go away 54 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,800 Yes 55 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,800 Wow 56 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,840 You know, I uh, I think I shared this with you last time you came on the show 57 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:29,560 Um, I had noticed like and I have no way near expert in this field whatsoever 58 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:31,320 but 59 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,120 I did notice when I was consistently doing red light therapy at the gym 60 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,200 Um, I like my muscles got less sore 61 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,920 I would recover faster 62 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,320 But it's not i'm guessing not that you said it's not as nearly as helpful as 63 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,640 Penetrating deeper within the skin where we should because 15 minutes 20 minutes at tops 64 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Um once or twice a day is not as even beneficial as have a deeper 65 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,720 Wavelength of of light, correct? 66 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,320 That yeah, and there's several parts to that number one 67 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,280 There there are many wavelengths of infrared light 68 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:14,680 So red light therapy technically is in the red visible light range. So it's very low power 69 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:21,880 That penetrates into muscles for example, and it's really good for reducing inflammation 70 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,560 So when you do a big heavy-duty workout, you've got a buildup of lactic acid 71 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:30,280 And you've got inflammation 72 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,040 and 73 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,040 Red light helps you to recover faster 74 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:39,160 And you've got inflammation and red light helps to clear that out 75 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:45,740 But the higher wavelengths of infrared light those work directly directly on the mitochondria 76 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,840 Wow, and the little organelles that are the that make energy in our cells 77 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:53,800 That's the difference 78 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,720 What are the side effects of using red light therapy if any? 79 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,720 Again, you know looking at uh 80 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,080 Uh low, uh, let's start with low watt infrared light 81 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,160 You spend two thousand dollars to get a device you stick it on your head 82 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,360 Let's ignore the fact that the infrared light doesn't get through, you know your hair my hair 83 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,960 It would block all that infrared light 84 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 um, so 85 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,440 Let's ignore that part 86 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,480 So one side effect of that is that you spend a lot of money and you don't get a lot of benefit 87 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,880 So it's hard on the pocketbook 88 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:37,080 Um, but if you're consistent and use it every day and you stick it, you know on your back or your knee or your arm 89 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,720 You you will get some benefit and that's been shown over and over again 90 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,440 But as soon as you stop it starts to go away 91 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 It's transient benefit 92 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,240 In terms of the multi-watt infrared light therapy the high power 93 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,120 treatments that we do 94 00:06:54,120 --> 00:07:00,780 Um, number one it has to be done by a professional. These are powerful devices 95 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,200 People can't just you know, do it to themselves 96 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,320 um, so there's the 97 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:12,760 Expense of you had to go to a clinic and you had somebody has to administer that 98 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,960 Side effect wise if we just think about it like a medical procedure was the side effects very very little 99 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:25,960 Uh, some of our patients about 10% will experience a headache after the first treatment 100 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,880 Generally not after the second third fourth fifth, etc. But after the first treatment about 10% 101 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,040 Some people will feel tired after the treatment 102 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,640 But you know, sometimes they feel energized 103 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:46,200 So in fact, you know, I check in with patients after each treatment and sometimes, you know, they're they feel tired 104 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,800 Sometimes they feel really relaxed. Sometimes they feel energized and ready to go out and you know tackle their day 105 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,600 Um, so it really depends 106 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,960 But other than that there aren't any side effects. There aren't any risks 107 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,840 Um, all of our patients have seen benefits 108 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,200 Awesome. Thank you for sharing that with us 109 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,200 My next question for you, um you being 110 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,200 The healer instead of 111 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,240 A primary physician doctor. I think i've had a few people on my show now who have actually 112 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:25,960 Taken a step back from the medical world of primary physicians insurances and medicine 113 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,960 And gone to actually finding ways to heal people some to natural remedies come through light 114 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,240 Um some through herbs. There's a lot of things that i've seen around 115 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,280 Um, and you have done a lot for that like you going and doing i bet would not easy 116 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,260 So according to your opinion, dr henderson 117 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,680 Why do you think leaders hide? 118 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,400 from funding their vision 119 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,280 And then how can those leaders then lean into funding that vision? 120 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,080 Hmm. That's a great question 121 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:04,280 And and let me just clarify a little bit so leaders 122 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,040 are not necessarily the the inventor of the 123 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,840 approach say 124 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,680 You know discovering a particular combination of herbs, but you're talking about 125 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:21,000 The the fiscal leaders of our country or yeah. Okay, just to make sure I understand 126 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,800 well 127 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,920 And and uh 128 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,520 This is confessions of a medical heretic here. Um 129 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:36,280 And quite literally, I mean one of the first books I read when I considered going into medicine 130 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:38,680 Was confessions of a medical heretic 131 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,920 Because I had seen how 132 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:49,320 Corrupted and messed up medicine was just as a patient without even really thinking about it. I could see it 133 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:55,160 And I think we all see it, you know, you know, why does an aspirin cost ten dollars in a hospital? 134 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:01,960 Well, because you've got to cover the insurance. Yeah, so all of that stuff sort of feeds into 135 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,200 A very jaundiced view at this point 136 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,720 And and i've seen this over and over again 137 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,160 And and this will be a very personal example 138 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:16,760 so 139 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,760 Here i've got this amazing technique. I'm going to show you how to do this 140 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:27,640 So here i've got this amazing technique. I have patients who have parkinson's disease 141 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,960 That I treated they're now 10 years out from treatment. They have not gotten worse 142 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,360 That's unheard of in parkinson's disease. That would be a michael j fox miracle 143 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,760 If you could stop the progression of parkinson's disease, and this is what we're seeing 144 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:47,560 You know patient after patient 145 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:54,840 So, you know we go to a particularly big funder of of parkinson's research and i'm not going to name any 146 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:00,280 Individual or foundation but i've gone to both type, you know individuals and foundations 147 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,300 And they they said wow, this is really kind of cool. Let me run it past my neurologist 148 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,000 Who is my advisor and see what they say? 149 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,280 And that's the end of it the neurologist 150 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:20,040 Maybe gives a cursory glance as soon as he sees infrared light or he or she says 151 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,800 Can't be doing anything. This is poppycock 152 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,440 And to be honest 153 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:32,440 That was my initial reaction when I first encountered this work. I said that's impossible 154 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,440 You can't treat the human brain through the scalp and skull with infrared light 155 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,440 But there's no way it's going to get through 156 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,280 And but I took the next step 157 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,720 Which was let's research it. Let's find out 158 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:49,480 and 159 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,480 these advisors are 160 00:11:52,020 --> 00:11:57,420 Generally very you know, very conservative very stuck in allopathic medicine 161 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,120 And they don't think out of the box 162 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,280 So, let me give you one other example not mine 163 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,280 So there's a neurologist, you know picking on neurologists. Here's the other side 164 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,680 By the name of bretteson b-r-e-d-e-s-e-n 165 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,240 bretteson 166 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,280 Wrote a book the end of Alzheimer's disease 167 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,080 And then he wrote a kind of a guidebook for you know, a handbook for patients 168 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,760 and he is treating patients and 169 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:35,720 by diet more than anything else because he discovered the link between 170 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,440 our insulin receptors 171 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,360 and 172 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,360 Diabetic and Alzheimer's disease 173 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,520 now our insulin receptors 174 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:52,920 Get you know, if we're drinking alcohol and we're eating, you know carbohydrates and eating canned food or prepared food 175 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,920 You know, we're eating 176 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,040 We're bombarding our insulin receptors because there's so much carbs that your insulin shoots up 177 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,680 And your receptors either get overwhelmed or they just stop responding altogether 178 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:12,120 And so what he showed is that all these people were developing dementia had decreased insulin receptor 179 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,920 responsivity 180 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,480 And by changing their diet getting their insulin receptors to respond again 181 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,040 They started to get more and more 182 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,720 Usually a year ago which was actually probably some years ago 183 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,200 So some years ago, September 21st 184 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:31,720 He started working with benefits特別 185 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:37,040 AndSomething to do with the좯 organizational 186 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,060 Pronunciation proposal so that when all this 187 00:13:38,060 --> 00:13:40,580 stuff that started spotting wrestling Abbess knob's 188 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:44,660 She didn't have such a big 189 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:46,660 battery 190 00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:48,660 They covered everything 191 00:13:48,660 --> 00:13:53,060 inevitable. You can't stop it. You can't reverse it. There's no such thing as surviving Alzheimer's 192 00:13:53,060 --> 00:14:01,540 disease. And they just shoot it down. So how could leaders lean into funding 193 00:14:03,060 --> 00:14:10,740 these innovative approaches? First off, you've got to have your eyes open. And second off, 194 00:14:10,740 --> 00:14:21,540 you've got to listen to a chorus of advisors, not just one allopathic voice or a group of allopathic 195 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:27,460 voices all locked in this one position. You have to listen to multiple voices. 196 00:14:31,140 --> 00:14:32,580 Thank you for sharing that. I think 197 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:40,500 there's more people out there that are in your same or similar shoes, but they're afraid to take a step 198 00:14:41,940 --> 00:14:48,900 in helping people because there's bigger organizations they're going against. So I think 199 00:14:48,900 --> 00:14:53,540 that advice would be very, very helpful for them and also for other leaders and entrepreneurs who 200 00:14:53,540 --> 00:14:57,540 just don't know what approach to take. So thank you for sharing that with us. 201 00:14:57,540 --> 00:15:05,940 One more question for you today. This is a hard question. You can take time to think about it. 202 00:15:07,460 --> 00:15:14,900 As a leader or as an entrepreneur, what has been your most significant learning experience? 203 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:23,620 I think I'm still in the middle of it. And let me be specific. So every entrepreneur, 204 00:15:25,220 --> 00:15:29,300 whether they've invented a widget, a thing, or they've invented a technique, 205 00:15:30,580 --> 00:15:36,260 and honestly, widgets are easier than just a simple thing. So I think that's a good point. 206 00:15:36,260 --> 00:15:42,260 I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. 207 00:15:42,260 --> 00:15:50,100 And honestly, widgets are easier than techniques. It has to be able to convince other people that 208 00:15:50,100 --> 00:16:00,020 it's a good idea. I think of the original Apple computer. How do you convince somebody that 209 00:16:00,020 --> 00:16:05,700 everybody should have a personal computer? That was unimaginable. And now we've got a personal 210 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:10,580 computer we carry around with us all the time that we can't put down. We're looking at it constantly. 211 00:16:10,580 --> 00:16:17,220 But at that time, it was inconceivable that everybody would need a computer in their home, 212 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:27,620 let alone in their pocket. So what I have struggled with is how to convince investors 213 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:34,900 that what we're doing here is a good idea. And this is not only is it something that will 214 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:38,260 revolutionize medicine, it's something that will make them a lot of money. 215 00:16:38,260 --> 00:16:46,660 If we revolutionize medicine, we make people money. So I've not figured out how to do that yet. 216 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:53,060 And as I've said, I've talked to investors and they go to their advisors and that's the end of 217 00:16:53,060 --> 00:17:00,180 the discussion. Or I talk to investors and they say, well, if you can make this person better, 218 00:17:00,180 --> 00:17:08,260 if you can make this person better, then we'll invest. But then that person never shows up. 219 00:17:10,580 --> 00:17:16,820 And so it just dies on the vine. But I've not had the situation where someone says, wow, 220 00:17:16,820 --> 00:17:24,420 I totally get it. I totally see that if we open 10 clinics and we treat 260 patients, we make X 221 00:17:24,420 --> 00:17:34,340 dollars, which is pretty obvious. But they can't seem to get over the idea that light could be a 222 00:17:34,340 --> 00:17:43,780 treatment. Interesting. So for me, the model is stem cells. When stem cells first came along, 223 00:17:43,780 --> 00:17:49,140 stem cell therapy, it's like a stem, you want to stick a flower stem in me? What are you talking 224 00:17:49,140 --> 00:17:57,860 about? So nobody knew what a stem cell is, but now everybody knows what a stem cell is. And so they 225 00:17:57,860 --> 00:18:04,740 at least kind of get, okay, you have the cell that turns into good things in your body. And we got to 226 00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:11,860 get that to that point with light, that the idea that infrared light, not just going out and get on 227 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:19,220 a sunny day or going to get red light therapy in the gym, but specific infrared light therapy can 228 00:18:19,220 --> 00:18:23,940 be brain saving, let alone life saving. Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that you 229 00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:29,940 tuned into Vision Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue 230 00:18:29,940 --> 00:18:33,860 to move forward. This is going to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement as 231 00:18:33,860 --> 00:18:38,020 well. We'll invite people to participate in the show. And thank you for giving us your time and 232 00:18:38,020 --> 00:18:44,820 attention. Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.