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your wire last time you came on the show but if you have the story that goes with it?

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Oh it would be hard to narrow it down to a single story. I hope that I've grown over my lifetime

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trying to improve how I look at the world although

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sometimes I do feel like I've gotten a bit more cynical as I've gotten older.

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I think the most significant part of my life as far as forming my value systems and my ability to

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feel confident in what I believe in was the time that I spent in university when I moved away from

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all of my roommates and lived in a home completely alone.

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I lived there for a little over a year, worked a lot so I spent a great deal of time in the saddle

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alone out with cattle and of course horses and so I had a lot of opportunities

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to think back over things that happened or in some cases think about what I was going to do

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about something that I knew that was coming that would happen. So I was able to think about

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what was really important to me in my life and what values in all the people that I had met

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because I came from a small town. I'd met a lot of new people there at university and sometimes

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people will fool you so I got to spend a lot of time thinking back reflecting over how people

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how close they were to who I thought they were when I first met them or how I saw them as a persona

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before I knew them and then later reflecting back on what I saw about what they did

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when you were actually in action with them or in a setting with them. So for me that was probably

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the most formative years in all my life. That's interesting because my college years

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and now when I compare the people I saw and met and I've seen the difference in

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who I thought they were as well and then who they are now and I'm like huh maybe what I thought

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about them maybe it's not the same as who they are sometimes I overestimated sometimes I

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underestimated it and it's kind of crazy how that turns out. Thank you for sharing that with us today.

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Yeah that's I think that's and that's key you sometimes you have to forgive them and sometimes

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you have to forgive yourself when you make a decision about people. That's awesome. Thank you

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for sharing that with us today. Absolutely. What would you say that is your goal for being on the

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show today? One of the things that I we talked about reflection I think in our in our first

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podcast and I don't know that I spent enough time talking about how important it is to actually sit

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back in that period of reflection and analyze what the outcomes were of what you did. You can spend

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time reflecting on you know how you feel about things. You can spend time reflecting about what

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you think that you value but you also need to spend time actually reflecting back on where would I

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have been if I had made a different decision or how did the decision that I made impact this person

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versus if I had made a different decision what did I think what do I believe now or see might have

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happened. It's good to reflect back not just on on your own values but on actually how things that

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you've you've done how it actually impacted people. I saw that particularly with students

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teachers and students. Teachers don't don't always have time to think back if they very quickly gave

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an answer or if they were having a bad day and they snapped at a student. If you don't take the

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time to think back why did that student do that or what could I have said that would have impacted

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that person differently. You lose that opportunity to grow and you sometimes you can get in the habit

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of making the same mistake over and over again and that is costly both for you and for the people

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that meet and know. I think I agree with that because the impact you leave with people with

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your actions sometimes can be small but sometimes can be very long lasting and it's very I think

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important to keep us in check. I think one of the very famous quotes on the show by the founder

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Jackson is he keeps saying this quite a bit like your absolute power corrupts absolutely. So if

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if you need to have people around you surrounded by you who are who you trust enough with their

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opinion who keep you in check and balances where you know that if something is not right

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that you don't see because if it's your blind spot you're not going to see it.

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So it's very important that you surround yourself with people that actually are able to talk to you

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with some radical candor that they can challenge you in ways and help you be the better versions

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of yourself. What do you think about that? Yeah absolutely that's true and again that goes back

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to taking that quiet time. People that you have around you that you trust you want to be around

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you trust you want to think that what they tell you is the truth that's what you've asked for

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and sometimes you do have to reflect back and make sure that is that the truth that they said

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or is are they telling you what you want to hear and if they're telling you what you want to hear

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what is it that they want from you. So it it's always good to look back at their actions based

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on what you said or did so that you can and I don't I don't want to use the word good

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but you always you constantly have to be aware of if someone says something and they are they

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are being honest with you if you doubt that you need to ask them and you know do a little

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soul searching spend a little time alone and then go back and say I don't maybe I don't understand

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what you why you said that or what what about what you said do you think I need to change how

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how can how can I grow based on what you believe that you know after what someone tells you something

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why do you think that some leaders actually most leaders that we can hide from funding their vision

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and how can those leaders then lean into funding that vision I think you have a very unique story

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where you your vision is very different than most people that we encountered and I think you've

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you've done a lot to fund it so what would you like to say about that well let me ask you first

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how how is it different I think I'm pretty normal so so the the book and the story you

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mentioned about education it's different because most people don't go that brave and then they are

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not uh they most people have those views but they don't like sharing it openly like you do

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I would say I think I think you your vision and the things you have done to fund it is it's

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the other day I had a doctor on my show I think it was yesterday he he created this technology

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where he can treat mental illnesses not every one of them but very specific mental illnesses through

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red light therapy I don't know if you're aware of that like when we go on the sun the rays have

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red light in it like I do red light therapy to fight cancer yeah yeah and if there's like there's

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like different wavelengths of those red line and there's certain length and most people have access

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to like through james or if you can buy equipment for it but that doesn't penetrate deep enough to

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completely fix things he his is a is a I think is it a lower or higher I don't know what the science

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is but that penetrates deeper through the skull to the problem and actually fixes it or actually

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improves things and he he's fighting against insurances he's fighting against big pharma he's

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fighting his big companies because even though the technology works no one wants to invest or fund it

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because he's going after that big big big companies and I think that's what I think one of the things

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you're fighting too if you don't realize it I think you have a big fight ahead of you where

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you're fighting the system oh yeah I'm yeah I'm very aware of it I think I think that there's a

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lot of people we we have fought for years the system in the food industry I taught years ago

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tried to teach healthy eating and I you know I said feed the feed pay your farmer not your doctor

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but every time we go to a doctor's office it's here take this medicine here take that medicine

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here take this other medicine they don't want to hear about how good food can can exactly change

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their life so yeah it I think people don't fund their vision because perhaps it's easier it's

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it's it's okay to just keep it you feel motivated you feel um you feel like you're on a mission

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you feel like you're going to make a difference but you you might not necessarily be willing to

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pay the price of losing friends or being made fun of in some cases and so so people tend

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particularly if you're in a career or if you're in a job that requires if you're around a lot of

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people and you have to you have to see them every day you have to be in a space with them every day

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um it's hard it's hard to make people angry and then sit with them for another seven and a half hours

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um so so I think if if people don't fund their vision it's because perhaps they don't want to

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give up whatever it is that makes them comfortable so that they can go further to pursue their vision

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then how do people lean into what did you do in your case to fund your vision

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well I got a little older that certainly helped um it I do think that's part of that willingness

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to give up things that comfort level comes with age but part of it also comes from if you pay

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enough of a price at some point and you get past that you retreat you reflect you decide whether or

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not that other opinion is worth giving up on what your vision is and if you're true to your vision

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if you really are on on point with what you're seeking in life that person's opinion or those

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people's opinions you realize once you get away from it it doesn't matter it's it's not worth the

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price that it would take to give up on your vision to be with them um so I think that's part of it

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so um I think that that again reflection comes in get away spend time alone

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um seek some things that are soothing thoughts a good book some philosophy um perhaps some people

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would seek religion um a close friend perhaps but again you risk how close is that friend over time

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um so I think the most important thing is to reflect yourself and decide if the price that

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you're going to have to pay to move forward is worth your vision and if you're not willing to

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pay that price then probably need to do a little reflecting on your vision as well.

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Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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This is going to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well. We'll invite

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people to participate in the show and thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.