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I want to dive deeper into that story a little bit.

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If you want to share some of the feelings

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and the things that you went through

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when you were going through this process with your daughter

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and what was going through your mind,

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how did you come out of it?

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I'd love to hear that side of the story.

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Yeah, so when she was initially diagnosed with autism

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at the age of like three and a quarter,

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I was working in biotechnology and I had science background,

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but I really didn't understand a lot about autism.

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What I could see was some of the symptoms

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that she was exhibiting that seemed very uncalm

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in her body, just throwing tantrums for hours.

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I mean, and it wasn't like your normal kind of

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toddler tantrums, it was blood curdling screams

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for like up to four hours where she would be kind of looping.

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I want this, I don't want this, I want this,

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I don't want this.

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Anybody, any parent, any family member, sibling

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who's ever gone through this,

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especially the person who's obviously afflicted

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with the autism, it's just not a calm centering feeling.

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So as a mother, my heart was just bleeding,

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like what can I do for my child?

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How can I improve her quality of life?

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The scientist in me was like,

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what is in my power to start researching

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and just started to look into gut brain connection.

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I really was like looking at her foods,

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like this is not a child who's eating healthy yet.

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Anytime I try to put broccoli on her plate, it was a battle.

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Blood curdling screams for hours.

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It was as if I assaulted her by trying to give her broccoli.

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And so I didn't know, what's the battle worth fighting?

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And so I started to say, okay, I'm going to take this battle

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on with that the gut brain connection,

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the nutrients are what's going to help heal cells

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if there's some sort of inflammatory chronic condition.

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And she had a lot of chronic inflammatory symptoms,

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puffy face, redness, kind of the bumps on the skin,

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just lots of allergies.

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So she had a lot of inflammatory symptoms

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that made me think, okay, can we improve inflammation

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through eating better foods?

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And so I started to just start diving into it.

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because that was a lot in the autism community at the time.

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And I saw some improvements.

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So MSG or glutamate are synonymous in the foods.

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And I saw that it was highly associated with inflammation.

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It induces inflammation because it's a neurotransmitter.

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It actually excites the neurons in the nervous system

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for the fight, fight, fear, fawn response.

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If you think about or ever have been with somebody

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with autism, they're very vulnerable

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anxiety, panic attacks, they're very vulnerable

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association with these conditions,

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I was like, wow, okay, let me try this.

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I deep dove to say, okay, what foods have glutamate

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as part of the processing?

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Of course, my PhD in protein chemistry helped tremendously.

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taking out glutamate sources that I identified

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based on Google patents on foods

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and my protein chemistry background, unbelievable game

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changer where I could see the channels,

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the learning channels more aware in her body, more calm.

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So I could tell I was on the right track

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and I just kept going deeper and deeper and deeper.

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So my why was really to try to help my child.

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It was a game changer for me.

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40 years of pollen allergies went away.

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I couldn't breathe through my nose often at sleeping

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which just helped the whole family.

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That's awesome.

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you're trying to figure out like, you know,

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what exactly is that causing that

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till you landed on glutamate?

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which is the protein associated with, you know,

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casein, which is the class of proteins found in dairy,

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you know, and it was recommended by the medical fields

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like applied behavioral analysis, also known as ABA,

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sound therapy, speech therapy.

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getting her into special needs school,

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seeing psychologists and such.

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of other things going on.

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where I identified glutamate as potentially being a factor.

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everything else fall off, but, you know,

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she got kicked out of, everything else was falling off.

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I mean, that was what was really important for her brain.

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What tips do you have for people

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who are maybe going through the same

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or some similar experience

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or something they don't even know what's happening

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because of their gut health or...

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Go ahead.

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No, so, I mean, that's why I wrote the book

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because I was like, I wanted people to have a guide,

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you know, the why in there, you know,

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really trying to resonate with people who are afflicted

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with chronic inflammatory conditions.

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It's not just autism, it could be cancer,

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it could be Alzheimer's, it could be chronic pain,

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or even dealing with obesity.

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You know, it's just, you know,

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really trying to resonate with the masses

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that we need to be evaluating

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and thinking about what we're eating.

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So the book is called,

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Fat, Stress and Sick, MSG Processed Foods

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in America's Health Crisis.

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And the last chapter, I have a lot of guides

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about how to go through your kitchen,

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your refrigerators, your pantry items.

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we are what we eat and really think about what we're eating.

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where there's a lot of good, you know, health food stores.

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for a quick healthy snack here.

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with nutritional yeast.

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they culture them, they lyse the yeast cells

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to deplete the yeast with its contents.

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but it's like really, you know,

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questioning like what is nutritional yeast?

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of these various ingredients where MSG is disguised.

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It's not labeled as MSG in the food supply.

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where, you know, it's the fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds,

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you know, happy meats before,

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or happy animals before they end up on our plate.

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So wild caught, pasture raised.

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Pasture raised, grass fed.

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better quality of the meat sources.

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herbs and spices.

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MSG sources are coming in is through

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the processed food industry.

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They're not after health for us at all.

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because it's so highly addicting.

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It's almost like sugar.

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because many people know sugar is very addicting.

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That's not a sweetness.

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That's a savoriness that they hijacked your taste receptors

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on the unami for the MSG.

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Thank you for sharing that.

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One more thing I wanna ask you on these tips that we read.

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Apart from your book, I know it's very hard

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to find good reading material to get yourself educated.

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if they wanna find more about this

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or they wanna go find more about topic in general

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and what things can they search

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and where can they go to find more information

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that's actually trusted

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and is backed up by maybe some studies.

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all sorts of different studies

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showing the effects of glutamate on the body

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associated with inflammation, autism,

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all sorts of other chronic illnesses, even cancer.

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definitely has the Bible of the glutamate.

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Russell Blaylock is another person, MD.

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He wrote, the taste that kills or yeah, excitotoxins,

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the taste that kills.

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And that was written and published back in the 90s, right?

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So this is not new information.

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And Russell Blaylock actually tried to come up

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with like blogs and working with the community

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with late onset inflammatory conditions

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like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

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He's also, you know, tout the whole association

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of glutamate with autism.

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So his book also, you know, contains those references.

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glutamate and whatever condition you might be researching,

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you know, obesity, autism, Alzheimer's input,

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glutamate and autism,

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you'll see all of the scientifically peer reviewed articles

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with these associations.

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actually the issue is when it's at elevated levels,

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it sends a stress response,

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that fight, flight, fear, fawn response.

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With autism, for example, you know,

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what we call neurodivergent is really a class

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of where the brain neurons are more neurologically wired

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with glutamate neuron, you know,

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capabilities of exciting those neurons.

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So neurodivergent meaning there's more glutamate receptors

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in the brain that are almost prone to that,

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you know, fight, flight, fear, fawn, ready to take off.

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And so that makes that person, a group of people,

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much more vulnerable to glutamate in the foods,

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much more vulnerable to stresses.

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And it's good to know your own body.

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Good to know if you're in that category.

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If you're a chill bill, no worries, you know,

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but if you're not, you want to listen to your body.

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Yeah, that's awesome.

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Well, thank you for sharing that with us today.

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I have one more question for you

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before we end today's segment, Katie.

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Is seeing where you are at right now with your vision

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and if you can see the future where you're taking this,

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where you see your vision going in the future.

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I would absolutely love to be on like lecture panels,

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even on TV where we're really raising the consciousness

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of our society through better choices,

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better thought choices, better eating choices,

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guys choices, lifestyle choices,

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and we're raising the beauty and vibrational frequency

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of the entire humanity through better lifestyle practices.

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And I would love to be part of that revolution.

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Thank you for being here today.

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I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions

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as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is gonna get more and more fun.

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We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show

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and thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision

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and becoming a vision pro yourself.