How did you get started?
As far as the individual instruction part,
I did it after while I was coaching.
So I did a little bit of training
while I was coaching college football.
Okay.
And then as I transitioned out of football or coaching
into just the training,
I have been working with young athletes
for a very long time in football,
basketball and many other sports.
So that's how I got started,
just going from teamwork to small groups to individual.
That's how I got started.
And with the business performance experience,
what made you decide to say,
hey, I'm done coaching and I wanna just give back
and give all the experience to someone else?
Well, it really wasn't like that.
There's a story behind it.
Well, no, I did some coaching, college coaching,
and then I came back to the DFW
because there was a time where I wasn't coaching
and then I was coaching high school.
So in between that, I had been doing some training,
but I understood the process of scholarships as well.
So helping kids get scholarships as a coach,
you've given kids scholarships
and you have to pay attention to these kids
and how that process works even in valuation
and through that evaluation,
getting them enrolled in school.
Well, that process was a little different back then
because of technology.
Technology has grown so much
that there's a lot less you have to do going places.
But with that said, we understood the process
and that I understood that a lot of people during that time
that were better athletes than I was
when I was getting recruited or just athletes
that their opportunities are limited.
Again, like I said, it's not the same now
because you can click a button and see a kid,
but during that transition,
there were other steps you had to take.
So we helped those kids navigate those steps
in real time.
And then it started with the athletic evaluation.
So that's where we started
as to what performance experience is now.
But for that, we trained everybody.
We trained adults, we trained kids,
we trained athletes, we did it all.
So that journey or that process,
all that experience gave me an opportunity
to streamline exactly what our focus
or what our niche really is.
Yes, and I've talked to so many leaders, business owners,
and they often speak about the niche,
truly defining who you wanna help
so that you could give the best in that area.
So when you say you define your niche and in 10 years,
how long have you been doing this?
Great.
So I was doing it as just a personal trainer.
If we just add all coaching,
I mean, being able to work with athletes,
it's been 22, 23 years.
If we're just talking about the training,
it's probably been 19, 20 years
because they run together.
But yeah, I've been doing it for quite some time.
And then to be able, I mean,
Javonka, I've trained thousands of people.
Oh, I believe it.
Myself, and just thinking about that is funny.
But to be able to go, okay, this is what we're good at.
This is what I wanna teach.
This is direction that I wanna go where we should go.
And then to have people to be able to add to that
along the way and help build and develop
some of these programs that we're running now,
it's a good thing to see.
It's actually pretty cool to watch,
especially if I take a step back and go,
hey, we probably could have got here faster
if I would have got out the way.
Yeah, yeah.
I tell you the biggest thing about leaders
and having businesses is we get in our own way.
But you know what I was thinking is the fact
that you've been doing this for 20 plus years,
times are so completely different.
For example, what I mean is the combine, right?
That used to be people having to go out there to watch
the students and the stars to actually see this.
Like you said, it's a click of a button now
for someone to see a kid and to give.
And how does that make a difference
from when you began to now?
Well, it's a blessing.
And I don't wanna say curse, but it forces you to speed up.
Like speed up your understanding of what
the environment or the market is.
Like when I was playing and then when I was coaching,
and then for years in training,
the athletes didn't get paid.
Yeah, yeah.
So scholarships were different
or money opportunities was different.
So now you gotta keep up with the times
and have an understanding of what you're offering
or what they actually need.
Not saying that like you didn't have to do that,
but to working in specific areas to understand
what you can actually provide.
That's the better way to say it.
Before you, it wasn't so much information out there
that people knew or that they had to decipher through
or how quickly we could get to what we need
because you had to send tapes and get tapes sent back.
And like, this was a real time operation.
So I might send some information
or I need to get a coach something
and it might take seven to 10 days
as to where now it takes seven to 10 minutes.
Yes.
And you gotta be ready to evaluate and make moves.
So it's the speed, it's being able to keep up
with what you can actually provide.
And then being able to stand apart
from all the other information that's out there
just to give yourself a chance to show whether or not
you can do what you say you can do.
Absolutely.
What's your why?
Because somebody gave me a chance.
And that's in literal sense, like helping these kids
and understanding what they're going through
or what they're trying to get to.
Somebody gave me a chance.
So I got to TCU by way of a coach making a phone call
that didn't even know who I was.
He knew me through competition.
He knew we played each other twice.
We played once in the regular season
in high school football,
and then we played in the post season
and they beat us in the first round of the playoffs
my senior year.
And the coach, Coach Buckley out of,
it was Oak Grove near Hattiesburg, Mississippi.
He said, hey, son, you keep doing what you're doing,
you're gonna get a chance to play somewhere.
Well, he made that call to TCU.
He literally gave me an opportunity.
And through that opportunity,
I'm sitting here talking to you
because sports has been a part of my entire life
as a player, as a assistant or as a coach
or as an instructor or as somebody directing the camp
or as my profession, it's part of what I do.
So he gave me an opportunity to go to TCU.
Somebody gave me the opportunity to be picked up
as a undrafted free agent.
I was given the opportunity to go get my degree.
Like those opportunities were given.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, to manage that opportunity
and to make the best of it, that's what you earn.
But you can't earn opportunities.
Opportunities are given.
What you do with them is where you earn.
Like that man didn't have to make that phone call.
Yeah.
But I was ready.
Yeah.
It could have been another man making another phone call.
So I really believe that.
So with that, somebody gave me something.
I know how to give this.
Now that don't mean I don't want anything for it.
Let's just be real.
When they wanted something in return too,
I needed to perform, you know what I mean?
I needed to make good on what they saw.
So I do want something in return,
be it monetary or not monetary.
I'm just keeping it real.
But that's what I know how to give.
That's where I'm maximally effective in my job description.
I know how to coach.
I know how to instruct.
You know, I know how to set standards
for athletic standards.
I know how to hit timelines.
So I expect something from that.
But my why is because that's what somebody gave me.
Yeah.
And that's so understandable.
It's especially when in my opinion,
when it comes to sports,
it's you work hard.
I mean, it's just some hard work.
It's some resilience and the nos and the yeses
and the exhaustion.
So when you're given an opportunity and you said,
Greg, like you had to give something back
because they expected something.
It was an expectation.
Yes, definitely.
And like you said, rather it's monetary or sweat,
tears, whatever it is,
you were gonna give it your all.
And I love that you're choosing to do that
for kids today, even though I still believe
it's a lot easier for them to get where they're going now.
One thing that I do have a question,
do you think that their drive is a little bit more now
than it was in the past?
100%.
Yeah.
And that's because of opportunities.
Like this is not about,
this is more about opportunities.
So if something you are already given, right?
Somebody is already giving you something
or you start with it, that's kind of the expectation.
For example, a lot of people I know, including myself,
you play college sports to audition
for the opportunity to go get paid.
Yeah.
Right now you're getting paid in college sports.
So does that, are you auditioning to make more money
or are you auditioning in high school
for the opportunity to get paid in college?
Now, some people's ultimate goal is to get paid.
So it's easy to say, well, when I was in middle school,
I was, no, you weren't,
because nobody was watching you perform.
Yes, yes.
They were watching you perform in high school
to get to college for the opportunity to get paid.
The people that wanna pay you
won't return on that investment.
I understand that now.
You don't understand that when you a kid.
You just, you know, so I think it's so different now.
And again, the time, like, what are we doing?
So with that, I think the drive was more and longer
because the opportunities that they have, we didn't.
And that's real.
Yeah.
I didn't get paid to play college ball.
And if anybody were to get paid,
they would get in trouble for being paid.
Now they're negotiating contracts.
So I ain't really gotta be as hungry as long
for an opportunity that it's,
now I just gotta go audition for it.
Yeah.
So how do people find you?
What is it that, what's the process
of being with performance experience?
Oh, it's easy.
You just go online, you can go to Facebook.
You can go to our website and pesportsandrec.com.
Push a button and you can jump on our speed school program
that starts in January, or you can get an assessment
and come in and talk to myself or one of the instructors.
And we'll talk to and through this process
that we talking about now,
according to what you're looking for.
Yeah, it's easy.
Facebook at the performance experience,
Instagram at performance experience,
YouTube at performance experience,
and then our websites, click one of them buttons,
links or likes, and I promise you, as soon as we see it,
we'll get back with you.
You won't be talking, you'll be talking to a person.
And see, it's easy.
It's easy.
Yeah, it's easy.
I ain't hiding from nobody.
Yes.
So when it comes to the assessment,
you're sitting with the child or the student
and the parent, and what does that look like?
Yeah, we sitting with them both.
And it's really a council and an assessment.
So it's, we like to say we write prescriptions.
So you go to the doctor's office, you come in,
you've already had, you've already set your appointment
in that appointment.
Hopefully one of our instructors,
you've had a quality conversation with,
they're gonna call you.
You know, that's why I say they're like,
they're going to call you, ask you a few questions.
Once we set the date and time, you come in,
we show you the place that you'll be working out.
From there, we do a movement assessment.
We want to know what we working with.
You know, here are the goals.
We have a conversation.
What are you trying to get accomplished?
How much time are you trying to get that accomplished in?
Let's go take a look.
We see, tell you about what we see.
Again, not just what we think.
Hey, this is what needs to be worked on.
This is the direction we need to go.
Here is the prescription.
Yeah.
I tell parents all the time,
the most you're gonna walk out of here,
set, ready to go with a plan, with an understanding,
with a plan, all we gotta do is execute.
At the very least, you're gonna know what to do.
Yeah.
I'm gonna tell you, the information won't change.
So, you know.
At the very least.
We're gonna transparent as we can be.
That way when you come back in three weeks,
you're gonna say, well, you know, you said this, I did.
How many days has your kid been in the program?
How many times have they shown up?
Because here's how we work our process
through that progress.
So, we try to give you a realistic look.
Because, Javaka, you live in a world today
where numerically and scientifically,
you can find the information.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
It's just the truth.
Like, you can go with anybody.
Yeah.
But what we're trying to do is what we say we're gonna do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and many, many, many people say that they will, right?
But how?
And that was the whole question, how?
And what's the process?
And what does that look like?
And not to mention, you know,
if a child or a person doesn't have the drive
and the goal set, then it's, you just have to keep working.
Is that the way?
No, that's not how we see it.
I'm gonna tell you exactly how we see it.
If you don't have the drive.
So, we tell parents,
that's why it's an investment, we understand.
So, we tell parents,
we're not gonna waste three things, period.
We're not gonna waste my time, their energy,
or the parents' money.
We're not gonna do that.
So, effort, effort is an expectation.
That's the standard.
If the lack of effort, and I ain't, let me define it.
I ain't talking about running full speed till you're tired.
No, if you're not paying attention, if your attitude sucks,
if your grades aren't there, and you're not paying attention,
and your attitude sucks, we're not going to work with you.
That's a waste of time, energy, and money.
So, I say that, but we don't turn kids away.
Like, we don't have that problem.
And if we discover that problem, it's through the work.
Look, we've been working with your kid for eight,
10 sessions.
They're not doing this, they're not showing up,
they're not responding.
We ain't gonna waste no more time.
We're not gonna waste your time, energy, or money.
You might not be the spot, or you might need to change
his attitude, or here's what we see.
So, we ain't kicking, like, we ain't just dismissing people.
If our job is to help, we gotta help.
But if we can't help you, we can't help you.
Yeah, yeah.
You see what I'm saying?
So, we don't have that problem, if that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, and that makes all the sense in the world.
And sometimes you just don't know what type of style
or who you're dealing with until you actually-
You gotta work with them.
Yes.
You gotta work with them.
So, when it comes to performance experience as a whole,
tell me about your vision.
So, I've said this for years.
I know we've made it in a spot of what I would deem success,
is I can show up to a program and enjoy it like a parent,
or be able to watch the instructor and let them do work
and may not be a part of.
That's the vision.
That means we have enough people working,
we have enough people doing things,
we have enough people helping in a manner that allows us
to be expansive for success.
Because if I got people working, that means they getting paid
and they're doing what they like or love to do,
part-time, full-time, or any other time.
If I'm doing, if I'm being beneficial
and I can keep a payroll for people running the program,
that's fantastic.
If I can teach another kid a trade
or I can teach another kid a situation
that allows them success,
then that allows success for everybody.
So, that's the vision.
The vision is all the kids
that we need to be able to assist.
Yes.
But the goal is to get the program
running properly everywhere.
Well, are you only in DFW?
Right now, we're only in the DFW.
So, we run Speed School, one of our programs
out of Mansfield at a Fit Tribe gym in Mansfield.
And then we also have a developmental program
with a dope company called Seeds Sports
that does what we call the Elementary Sports League.
Both Springfields are a tremendous job with them.
We run developmental program there in Keller
with Seeds Sports.
So, the goal then are what we plan to do,
what'll be rolling out in,
I wanna make sure I get the date right.
I think it's June is where we'll have
all of our digital programs.
So, that way, doesn't matter where people are,
click this button, the same information,
instruction that they're getting there,
you'll be able to get right there on your device.
So, that's the goal.
So, that's what we're working on right now.
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