1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 What's your why? 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000 It's a tough one. 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,000 At the end, I think I want to make people happy. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 I think that's still my why. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:18,000 I know it sounds very cliche, but I did a lot of exercise about that 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,000 and talked with people about that. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 But in the end, I just want to make people happy, and that makes me happy. 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,000 So it's as simple as that, actually. 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Absolutely, and I tell people the transfer of energy is real, right? 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:38,000 So you come in and are happy and elated, and someone else has a different emotion or attitude, 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,000 one can take over the other, and majority of the time, happiness wins. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,000 So I love that, definitely. 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:53,000 As you continue in the business of coaching, do you ever speak about your experiences 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,000 as it relates to someone in their leadership? 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 What do you mean exactly by that question? 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:13,000 So when you go into a coaching session, is it often that your previous commitment as a clown 17 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:22,000 come up and assist with you teaching or coaching them and how it played an impact in your life 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,000 and reasons why you're actually focusing on leaders as of today? 19 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,000 I do that in the intake when I talk to someone. 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,000 I explain to them this comes from this, but in a conversation, I never do. 21 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,000 In a conversation, I always, and that's where I revert to what I just said, 22 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:44,000 I always come to them, I talk very little during sessions, maybe at the end a little bit, 23 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:50,000 like figuring out what the next steps for the person are together. 24 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:56,000 But during the conversation, no, I ask questions and I observe a lot. 25 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,000 As a clown, you are trained, you learn that through all the years, 26 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:07,000 to watch every movement a person does, and it becomes a second nature. 27 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,000 At this point, it's unconscious with me. 28 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Unconsciously, I'm looking at people's, how they sit, how they breathe, 29 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:25,000 the expression on their face and all that actually leads me to a question or a remark 30 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 or together with what they say. 31 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:34,000 But I must say sometimes what they say is totally different of their body language. 32 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:39,000 And then I go into the body language, so my questions then relate to what I see and not what I hear. 33 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 So it's, and that's also the hospital work, right? 34 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:49,000 You see a child and it says something like, hey, who are you? But sometimes it says, hey, who are you? 35 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,000 You know what I mean? Now I exaggerate, of course, but there's something else going on then, right? 36 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,000 So you have to look through that. And as a coach, you constantly have to do that. 37 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Look through the, you know, everybody shows his good side, right? 38 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Let's compare with social media. Everybody posts pictures of them laying in the sun or going on holiday 39 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:15,000 or drinking a cocktail, eating nice food. Nobody, nobody posts a picture where he sits in the corner crying, right? 40 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Nobody does that. And yet we do that once upon a time, which is totally normal. 41 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:27,000 And that's the same in coaching. Everybody has this filter. I call it a filter. 42 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,000 And once you have the ability to lift that filter, then you have a real connection. 43 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:38,000 And that's the same when I visited children in hospitals, you know, they all have a filter. 44 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Children, not as much as adults. Yes, they have it. They have it. 45 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:50,000 And but once you break through it, then and the longer you do the work in the beginning, it took a long time. 46 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:57,000 But at the end, it's like within seconds, you can break through it because you just go right to the point where you need to be. 47 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:03,000 And that's also what I do in coaching. I go and not a lot of people like it. 48 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:09,000 I can I can tell you. So people are children are still honest, open. 49 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,000 The more we grow, the more these shields come up all the time. 50 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:20,000 And it's very hard to be ourselves. Should be the easiest thing there is being ourselves. 51 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 But it turns out it's a very hard thing to do. 52 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:30,000 And the first work that I need to do as a coach is breaking all these shields. 53 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Yeah. So that I can talk to the real course of who they are. 54 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,000 And and and that sometimes it takes a long time. 55 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,000 And and that's, of course, my way of working. 56 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:46,000 I do it in a very direct way. And some people can't stand it, but they are not my clients. 57 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:54,000 You know, if I already noticed that in the intake conversations, if they don't want to hear the truth, they're not my clients. 58 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:02,000 But I can't do anything with them. If any coach, you know, if your client doesn't speak the truth, it's like a doctor. 59 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,000 When you go into the doctor and you have a headache and you say, oh, my hand hurts, he can't help you. Right. 60 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,000 No, that's the same with coaches. If you're not honest and open, the coach cannot help you. 61 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 So it's the same there. Yes. 62 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Eddie, how long have you been doing coaching since 2018 now? 63 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:27,000 How did it go for you during the pandemic? That was my best time because everyone was online. 64 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Everybody seemed to have suddenly had problems. 65 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Now, I must say, after Covid, it took a dive. 66 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:41,000 That's also why I started to give lectures and to go back amongst people and giving motivational keynotes. 67 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,000 So the coaching has has been less and the speaking is going up. 68 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,000 So there's a little bit of that going on at the moment. 69 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:59,000 And is that do you believe that that's due to the world changing back to, you know, being able to be comfortable with standing with one another and engaging? 70 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Maybe, but it's mostly my thing. 71 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:08,000 I missed the stage because I was on stage performing for people. 72 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,000 And I'm not saying that giving keynotes is performing, but it's close. 73 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,000 It's the connection that I don't feel when you do something online, which is all great. 74 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000 And everything works online. 75 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Maybe let me be one hundred percent clear. 76 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Everything works exactly the same online. 77 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Coaching goes perfectly online. 78 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,000 But for me, it's not the same feeling I need. 79 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:36,000 I also need the vibes of a room or or a theater or something like that. 80 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:45,000 And that's how shall I say it boosts me up to a level where I can outperform myself. 81 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Let me call it that. It gives me some something extra. 82 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,000 And that is something I cannot do online. 83 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,000 So that's really something you get from the audience. 84 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 It's like kind of energy vibe. 85 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,000 You can't explain it. It's there or it's not. 86 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,000 Exactly. And I sort of get what you're saying. 87 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:15,000 It's especially if everyone is engaged and you see all the eyes on you and they're really what you're saying is resonating with them. 88 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 It's not engaged or not engaged. 89 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,000 That's even for me, it's even more challenging. 90 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 That was also of course, that was also in hospital work. 91 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:29,000 And I came in and I had a real hard time connecting with the child and had to look for what is what is the angle. 92 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:37,000 So I love I really love an audience when I come in and they are like, OK, show me what you got. 93 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,000 OK, I love that because then you need then you need to really figure out, OK, how do I get them? 94 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 You know, I also love it when the audience opens it all. 95 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 They already clap when you come on stage, right? 96 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,000 You have that. That's also nice. 97 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,000 But I love the challenge also. 98 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,000 And because then, you know, then at some point they feel, oh, you are real. 99 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,000 And that sometimes you've got them and that moment, that moment is really magical. 100 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,000 The moment that you feel, oh, OK, now I've got them now. 101 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Now we are in the same looking in the same direction. 102 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,000 And that's that's yeah, I can't explain it else. 103 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000 And I really get a kick out of that. 104 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Yeah, you're more now that you're speaking more and you're standing in front of people 105 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:29,000 and you feel like you're you're living now in your environment and what boosts you up so much more. 106 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Yeah. Tell me about your vision when you are speaking. 107 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Well, the thing is, I love to speak and most of the time it's really a success. 108 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,000 The thing that bothers me is and that is my vision for the next thing I'm going to do. 109 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:57,000 I'm going to work on that. You know, you got to begin with, let's say that 80 percent of the people are really engaged. 110 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:02,000 Right. The other 20 maybe engage 80 percent really engaged from this 80 percent. 111 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,000 They come out of the room and they go for coffee. 112 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,000 And when the day is over, it's only like even 30 percent that is still engaged. 113 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Right. And three days later, it's maybe one percent or five percent. 114 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,000 You know what I mean? So it's it's it declines. 115 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:22,000 It's sometimes very rapidly, you know, when somebody has some trouble financial or whatever, 116 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,000 they are inspired and they come out of the room and they get a phone call and it's gone. 117 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really gone. And that's a pity. 118 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:37,000 So what I'm working on now is how can I how can I be a real change? 119 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,000 You know, even during the hour or half an hour or two hours, whatever, 120 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:47,000 how can I be the real change for that person in the room that gets my message, 121 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000 that gets the insight. Right. 122 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:57,000 But then goes out and back home to his wife or husband or whatever and. 123 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Walks against that wall again. 124 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:07,000 It happens that fast. So the inspiration that person had, the motivation, it's it's gone. 125 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,000 And and that's that that's the key with a lot of speakers. 126 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,000 Right. You have a lot of good speakers who are really motivated to say, oh, wow, this is great. 127 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,000 I'm going home. I'm going to do this. But three days later, it is really gone. 128 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:29,000 And for me, that's a challenge. So I'm looking at ways to to see how I can really keep them engaged. 129 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Yes. But for themselves, because I mean, they spend their time and sometimes money to come and listen to speak. 130 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,000 And it should should have more than just an inspiration for the moment. 131 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,000 So that's my my next challenge. And that's also my vision that it has to be possible. 132 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Yes. And so it's interesting a little bit about me. 133 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:57,000 I'm a real estate agent and I host open houses and you have people you they're coming in and they're excited about the house. 134 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:03,000 They're ready. And when they leave again, they're at another house. Right. 135 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:17,000 So in in my thought process of how do I keep them engaged on this home, which I've seen their excitement and their joy and, you know, they're picking out areas and rooms and decorating it in their vision. 136 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Right. And so one of the things that we had often did was we don't let the next hour go by without having that communication with them. 137 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Then that next morning, hey, you know, and so I get exactly what you were saying, because it probably took me a little while to figure out how to keep them engaged. 138 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:46,000 And if that isn't the house right or if that wasn't the goal as to why they came to the home or if they even came to see you, Eddie, what what is it that you need from me? 139 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,000 What is it that kept you so intrigued while you were there? 140 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:56,000 And then, you know, that wall came up and now you're back in that mode. What is it that you need? 141 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:04,000 And then being a resource. Right. Because I believe when I'm sure even when you speak, you're a resource, you're a coach. 142 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Absolutely. It's a challenge. It's a challenge. And if you speak for, let's let's say, 500 people, you can't call them all up. 143 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:30,000 You know what I mean? It's not possible. But again, I really, really believe there has to be that thing that trigger that that puts them in action, that puts them that they can this feeling that they have that they can hold it longer than an hour that they can. 144 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Even if they can hold it for one week, that would all that would already be great. 145 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Now it's one hour sometimes or even less. And that's for me. That's how I cannot put that. It's it's it's a pity. 146 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:50,000 It's not the real world. It's it's it's just a shame that that that it stops there. 147 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:58,000 And I know that people when they can hold have a hold on that feeling, it would be so good for them. 148 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:05,000 They will be so prosperous. And so that's that's the next challenge. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I like that. 149 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:12,000 And I can completely understand as I can relate to it, although in a whole different field, I can definitely relate to that. 150 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:22,000 And with all that said, what was your most significant learning experience to get you to where you are today? 151 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:30,000 The biggest maybe not the biggest thing, but one of the things that maybe it's also because I'm getting older. 152 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:40,000 Don't tell anybody is there is nothing new. We think we are inventing the water again or the hot water. 153 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:47,000 It's not two thousand years ago, even before Christ, the Greeks were talking about happiness, talking about all these things. 154 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:54,000 And they had the same problems and the same solutions as we have now, maybe in different words or different things. 155 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:03,000 Times were different. But the basic is the same again, the same with leadership, again, the same with all these things where people talk. 156 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,000 People talk so much about leadership. I'm a lot of linked in. 157 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:13,000 Oh, my God. Most of the conversations are about leadership. And I keep on and everything. 158 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,000 At some point, it's very funny. At some point I was fed up with social media. Right. I had it. 159 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:24,000 And I stayed off for it like three to four months. I just didn't go on social media. 160 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:30,000 And when I came back, it was just as if I didn't leave. The conversations were still the same. 161 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:37,000 The same people were still talking about the same things. So that's something that people should realize. 162 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:44,000 You know, people are always looking for the next new thing. There is no next new thing. 163 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Let's let's look at the old things and put them in use for us now. That's what we should do. 164 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Because there is really, really, really nothing new under the sun. 165 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:03,000 It is all I mean, in personal development wise, then it's all been done before. 166 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,000 And it's not like technology that constantly is changing and changing fast. 167 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,000 But here this thing, this isn't evolved into three thousand years. 168 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:17,000 And it can't because it took us a million years to be where we are now. 169 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:22,000 So how stupid must we be literally? And I'm really saying it. 170 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:30,000 How stupid must we be that we think that in a thousand years something has changed when we are evolving for one million millions of years? 171 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:43,000 So and once you get that, then then you start to, you know, get put do connections and try starting to connect things. 172 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:53,000 And that's really nice. And I also try that with in my lectures, in my coaching, try to connect things because the solution is there and it's it's right in front of you. 173 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Yeah. And but and it's been done before so often. 174 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Definitely. Yeah. The moment you realize that it's it's a game changer. 175 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:17,000 It's a real game changer. Yeah. Yes. And as you mention these things in coaching your previous experience and where you're going with your vision currently today, 176 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:25,000 I do want to ask this question because I think it makes and helps us to understand what's your goal for being on the show today. 177 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Well, it's like it's my it's not only my vision. It's it's my wife. 178 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,000 I want to make people happy. Right. And if I can inspire them a little bit. 179 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Hey, that's what Eddie says there. That's interesting. Let me let me let me see what Eddie is saying more or maybe he can help me or whatever. 180 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:49,000 If there's one just one that I have inspired by doing this, it's OK for me. 181 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:55,000 That's really that's really all that I'm I expect nothing. 182 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:02,000 So everything is a plus. I mean, being that says, that's that's great. 183 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:10,000 That's that's already enough. And we start maybe maybe who starts reading a book because he spoke about three thousand years. 184 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,000 That's the Greek that are the Greek. Oh, what are you talking about? 185 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:22,000 You know, only that and that was with me when I was younger, too. I heard something speak and he spoke about a book or he spoke about an insight. 186 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,000 And I would go to in that days it was a library. Right. Yes. Yes. 187 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Remember early 90s? No Internet. So we went into the I went into the library. 188 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,000 I took a book and I read the book or sometimes only two pages. 189 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Oh, it's too hard. Oh, it's to this. But sometimes I really read it. 190 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:43,000 And and and and I love that. I love to inspire people. 191 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:49,000 I love to work with people and their happiness really literally is my happiness. 192 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:54,000 And I think it's clown thing. You know, if you make people laugh, that means you did a good job. 193 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,000 And that means you feel good about yourself. Right. Thank you for being here today. 194 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,000 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 195 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:08,000 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward. It's going to get more and more fun. 196 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,000 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 197 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 We'll invite people to participate in the show. 198 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,000 And thank you for giving us your time and attention. 199 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:33,000 And I hope you have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a vision for yourself.