1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 you lead and I shall follow. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,520 Yeah, I think pressure is something that is, 3 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:07,040 it's ubiquitous throughout life. 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,140 It doesn't matter what we're doing 5 00:00:08,140 --> 00:00:10,240 or in what roles we find ourselves. 6 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,420 We experience pressure in some form or fashion. 7 00:00:13,420 --> 00:00:16,720 And so I hear all the time in the realm 8 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,200 of sport performance psychology 9 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,080 and just performance in general, 10 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:22,320 you gotta learn how to perform under pressure. 11 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,800 You gotta figure out how to deal with pressure. 12 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,160 And the more I thought about it, 13 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,880 the more I read about it, I really, 14 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,320 I've come to the conclusion at least now, 15 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,240 at this point in my life, that pressure's an illusion. 16 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,420 It's something that, it's not that it's not real, 17 00:00:37,420 --> 00:00:39,760 it's an illusion in the sense that 18 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,240 if we look at the situation we're in in one way, 19 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,400 then we experience pressure. 20 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,280 But if we look at that situation in a different way, 21 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:48,560 the pressure goes away. 22 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,640 So for example, if I'm in a situation that really matters, 23 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,000 I mean, the consequences are important. 24 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,400 It's truly a big deal. 25 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,560 If I'm in that situation and I'm focused on the consequences, 26 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,360 and particularly the potential bad consequences 27 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,000 of me screwing up, well now that's where pressure lives. 28 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,760 Pressure exists in that moment. 29 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,840 Whereas if I'm thinking about the consequences 30 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,100 and the good things that might happen, 31 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:16,780 that may alleviate pressure a little bit, 32 00:01:16,780 --> 00:01:18,720 but pressure still exists. 33 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,280 So the bottom line with pressure is that if we're focused on, 34 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,280 if our attention is placed on the consequences, 35 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,480 the potential outcomes of the performance, 36 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,240 then we are very, very likely to experience pressure, 37 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,440 particularly if those consequences, again, good or bad. 38 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,300 It could be if I screw this up, then I'm gonna lose my job, 39 00:01:38,300 --> 00:01:39,920 I'm not gonna be able to pay my bills, 40 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,560 or it could be if I do this right, I'm set. 41 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,060 My career is gonna take off. 42 00:01:45,060 --> 00:01:47,320 I'm gonna be the next biggest thing. 43 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:50,000 Either way, there's a lot of pressure 44 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,360 when we're focused on the end state, the consequence. 45 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,040 But when we shift our perspective, 46 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,640 when we shift our attention to the moment, 47 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,720 to what needs to happen right now 48 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,480 in order to move us closer to that end state, 49 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,080 to set the conditions for the success that we want, 50 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,680 when we're focused on those things, 51 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,000 particularly those things that we can control, 52 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,880 pressure disappears. 53 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,400 And so again, the situation doesn't change. 54 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,640 That's why I say it's an illusion, 55 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,200 because the situation itself is not different. 56 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,000 Everything is identical. 57 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,200 It's just how we're choosing to look at the situation 58 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,680 and where we're choosing to place our attention 59 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,720 that will determine whether we experience pressure 60 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:29,560 or we don't. 61 00:02:30,420 --> 00:02:32,520 And you know, it's interesting you say that Dr. Height, 62 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,440 because I'm thinking about your career as in stunt, right? 63 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,800 And the pressure that it takes 64 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,040 to actually just go and do it, right? 65 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,240 And I know that you're more than likely protected doing that. 66 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,960 However, I couldn't imagine the type of pressure 67 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,800 you would feel in order to have to do some of the things 68 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,320 that you are called to do or you are hired to do. 69 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,360 So I think that that's where that brought me to. 70 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,920 Plus I was thinking, do pressure and fear 71 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:05,200 live in the same environment? 72 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,400 Yeah, I think that they're different, 73 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,160 but they can exist. 74 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,800 Yeah, there's a lot of overlap. 75 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,080 Fear is the emotion that we experience 76 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,040 when we perceive an immediate threat. 77 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,200 If we believe that we are likely to be harmed 78 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,000 in some kind of way, then we will experience fear. 79 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,220 And if we're focused on the consequences 80 00:03:22,220 --> 00:03:25,200 and the potential outcomes of this thing going wrong, 81 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,680 well, then yeah, that fear can be there. 82 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:28,720 We can experience pressure, 83 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,720 because we don't want to have that consequence be realized. 84 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,860 And it's interesting that you talk about the stunts, 85 00:03:36,860 --> 00:03:39,560 because that's a perfect example 86 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,800 of how situations themselves do not determine pressure. 87 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,120 Because one of the examples that I give 88 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,240 when I do talks on this is, 89 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,120 there was a show that I was working on, 90 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,040 and the stunt was, there was a truck, 91 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:53,960 it's like a U-Haul truck, 92 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,480 driving down the road at about 15 miles an hour, 93 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,880 and I was supposed to come out the back of it, 94 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,480 looking like I'd been thrown out, 95 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,280 hit the ground and roll. 96 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,360 And that was fairly early in my career, 97 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,240 and there were a bunch of really big, 98 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,400 important stuntmen, stunt coordinators 99 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,680 who were standing around watching, 100 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,760 in addition to the other 50 to 100 people 101 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,920 who were always standing around watching. 102 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,160 And I felt a lot of pressure in that situation. 103 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,000 It really was something where my attention, 104 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,280 now that I look back on it, was on, 105 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:21,520 oh my God, if I do this right, 106 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,600 these big stunt coordinators are gonna know who I am, 107 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,840 I'm gonna be able to work for them. 108 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:28,020 Or if I do it wrong, my career may be over. 109 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:29,400 I don't know if I'm gonna work again. 110 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,560 That's where my attention was, 111 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,480 and I experienced a lot of pressure. 112 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,880 Cut to a month ago, I was working on a show 113 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,480 called The Righteous Gemstones, 114 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,720 and I was in the same situation. 115 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,040 I was in a truck, it was an SUV this time, 116 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,320 driving down a road at about 15 miles an hour, 117 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,600 and when it hits a bump, the back of it pops up, 118 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,240 and I come flying out the back of it, 119 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,760 hit the ground roll, and then, and so, 120 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,100 but in that situation, again, I had big actors, 121 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:55,100 big directors, all the people standing around watching, 122 00:04:55,100 --> 00:04:56,240 but there was no pressure. 123 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,360 My attention was just simply on where do I, 124 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,880 because my hands were tied to. 125 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,800 So, like, how do I grab the latch 126 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,040 that's gonna pop this hood, or the back of the truck, 127 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,800 and how am I gonna come out and land? 128 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,080 What do I need to do with my body? 129 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,480 And then once I do, how long am I gonna stay? 130 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,620 All the things that I needed to do 131 00:05:11,620 --> 00:05:14,520 in order to execute the stunt, 132 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,600 that's where my attention was. 133 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,920 I felt zero pressure. 134 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,760 So again, same identical situation, 135 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,520 on the set of a big show, 136 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,160 getting ready to come out the back of a moving truck. 137 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,020 One, a lot of pressure. 138 00:05:27,020 --> 00:05:28,960 Second, no pressure. 139 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,440 So, yeah. 140 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,320 I think that is the coolest thing, 141 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,200 and when it comes to that, 142 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,280 what strategies do you recommend for staying motivated 143 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:39,460 and performing well under pressure? 144 00:05:39,460 --> 00:05:43,040 I mean, you have the experience for that entire question. 145 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,400 So, what do you suggest? 146 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Like, I don't know, I'm in awe, Dr. Hyatt. 147 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,240 Like, I'm in awe, totally. 148 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:52,240 Well, it's fine, 149 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,840 because those are two very, very different questions. 150 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:55,440 Motivation's a whole different animal 151 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:00,120 that if you look at it, really exists over the long haul. 152 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,200 It's not necessarily about being motivated in the moment, 153 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,800 although that can be a problem for people. 154 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,200 Usually, though, motivation is more, 155 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,800 how do I continue day to day, 156 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,280 doing all the things that I need to do, 157 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:15,120 as not fun as they might be, 158 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,160 but as necessary as they might be 159 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,320 to get me to where I wanna go? 160 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,840 That's typically a motivation discussion. 161 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:24,800 Whereas, the pressure, if we're in a moment 162 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,560 and we're experiencing pressure, what can we do? 163 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,940 Again, what can you control? 164 00:06:30,940 --> 00:06:33,800 What is the most important thing right now? 165 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,080 There was a quote, 166 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,440 the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. 167 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:40,920 I don't know who said it, but I like it, 168 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,280 because that's really what it comes down to. 169 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:45,880 What is the most important thing right now 170 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,320 for me to focus on, that if I can control it, 171 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,720 if I can leverage it, if I can keep my attention on it, 172 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,860 and I can execute it, will set me up for success. 173 00:06:53,860 --> 00:06:56,240 Now, nothing's gonna guarantee success, 174 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,280 but certainly, the future is determined by the present. 175 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:02,880 What we do now is going to dictate what the future is. 176 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,960 So rather than focusing on the future 177 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,440 and paying so much attention 178 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,400 and giving so much weight to the future, 179 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,880 where our attention needs to be is in the present moment. 180 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,760 What now can I do that's going to create those conditions 181 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,200 for the success that I want? 182 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,160 So that's my advice for people, 183 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,440 is if you start feeling that pressure, 184 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,720 just allow that to be a red flag, 185 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,880 that your attention's probably in the wrong spot, 186 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,720 and that you need to just shift that attention, 187 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,920 number one, to those controllable factors 188 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,800 that exist right now that you can do. 189 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,000 And it may not even be, 190 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,320 it might just simply be rehearsing something in your mind, 191 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,120 or it might be something physical like stretching, 192 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,520 because there's a, I mean, 193 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,520 I say there's a connection between the mind and the body, 194 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,040 I don't even know that there's a difference 195 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,160 between the mind and the body, 196 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,120 because when you move the needle on one, 197 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,920 you're moving the needle on the other. 198 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,640 So what can I do right now to create 199 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,920 the holistic conditions, physical, mental, emotional, social, 200 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,200 who can I go talk to for support? 201 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,080 Like, what are the things I can do 202 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,000 that are gonna make it more likely that I'll succeed? 203 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,280 And are those, the four phases that you were speaking about, 204 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,440 are they related to pressure? 205 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,480 And if so, please explain. 206 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Well, I think the four-phase approach, that's different. 207 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,000 The four phases of a performance, any performance, 208 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,480 literally any performance, 209 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,960 has a before, a right before, a during, and an after. 210 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,400 And the before, during, after, that's not new, 211 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:30,720 that's been around for a long time, 212 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,320 people have examined and talked about performance 213 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,400 in those terms. 214 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,440 But it's that right before 215 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,520 that I think people miss a lot of times. 216 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,080 And that insight really did come out of stunts. 217 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,600 I mean, that was something that, 218 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:44,680 as I was thinking about it, 219 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:47,320 when I get on set to do a job, I'm there. 220 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,120 There's a before, I'm actually there. 221 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,800 We rehearse, and then we hang out, and whatever. 222 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,160 But I can't keep the same energy activation level 223 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:55,200 throughout the whole day. 224 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,800 I mean, it might be 12 hours before I do what I do. 225 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,000 So I can't keep that energy activation level 226 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,160 and that attentional focus just the same way the whole time 227 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,320 at a performance level. 228 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,960 So there's a before phase. 229 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,800 But then there's the time when they say, 230 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,520 okay, Brian, it's time to come to set 231 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:11,920 and we're getting ready to do it. 232 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,800 Well, now we're in the right before. 233 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,360 Now it's time for me to shift 234 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,040 from my regular walking around state to go state. 235 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,120 It's my time to put myself in what I call the bubble. 236 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,480 You can call it the zone or flow state or whatever it is. 237 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,040 I just think of it as a bubble. 238 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,040 I put myself in the bubble. 239 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,560 Everything else is gone, everything else is out. 240 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:32,360 It's not that I don't see it, it's not, 241 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,440 but it's a clear bubble. 242 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,360 But my focus is on what's inside that bubble. 243 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,840 That's where I exist. 244 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,800 And so that's the right before. 245 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,880 And then obviously the during is they call action 246 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:44,800 and then I do the thing. 247 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,560 How do I keep my attention where it needs to be? 248 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:49,480 How do I maintain my energy activation level? 249 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,480 How do I keep track where I need to be at any given moment? 250 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,040 And then there's the after phase. 251 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,160 And this has really two purposes. 252 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,600 And it's, again, it's another one that I think people 253 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,360 either don't do or gloss over, 254 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,360 really don't give it the justice it needs. 255 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,480 And that is, one is recovery. 256 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,720 Because after a performance, we need to recover. 257 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,760 We need to, we're gonna be in a heightened state, 258 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,840 depending on what the performance is that we're doing, 259 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,120 we're gonna be in a different state than we could be. 260 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,200 So we have just expended energy, we need to recover. 261 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,760 So how do we do that? 262 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,560 The second part is learning. 263 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:23,960 So after we take the time to recover, 264 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,480 after we take the time to just sit with our emotions, 265 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,920 whether things went well or whether things didn't, 266 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,120 we sit with those emotions, we accept what is, 267 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,240 and then we do a little analysis of what went right, 268 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,120 that's important, and what went wrong. 269 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,200 Not just what went wrong and how do we fix it, 270 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,560 but also what went right and how do we keep it? 271 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:45,040 How do we make sure we sustain it 272 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,120 and let that carry over into the next performance? 273 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,560 Because typically, what we're doing, we're gonna do again. 274 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:54,400 It might be immediately, like on set, if I do take one, 275 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,480 we're doing take two, normally. 276 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,000 So it might be immediately, or if you're doing 277 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,040 a presentation at a conference or something, 278 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,080 maybe it's next month, maybe it's next year, 279 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,080 but we're gonna do whatever it is again. 280 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,680 So we wanna keep those sustains, 281 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:09,000 we wanna know what we did right 282 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,520 and let them transfer over to the next time. 283 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,480 But obviously, we also wanna examine what didn't go right 284 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:16,920 and see what we can do to fix that. 285 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,160 So those are the four phases of performance. 286 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,400 And I think that when people think about performance 287 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,760 in those terms, to get back to your question about pressure, 288 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,360 it allows people to structure and to plan 289 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,520 and to feel less overwhelmed by the performance 290 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,400 that they have because they can prepare for 291 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,520 and really intentionally choose how to prepare 292 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,920 in the begin phase and what they're going to do 293 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,080 to transition into their performance state 294 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,600 in the right before phase and where their attention 295 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,040 is going to be in order to be maximally effective 296 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,280 in the during stage and their strategy for how to recover 297 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,880 as well as learn in the after phase. 298 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,960 So that's the four phase approach. 299 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,200 And if we do have that grounding, 300 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,480 that framework to leverage, then again, 301 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,920 we're keeping our focus and attention where it needs to be, 302 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,800 which means pressure is not gonna be there. 303 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,080 When you mentioned, so of course I look down 304 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,000 because I'm writing the four phases 305 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,440 and I really like the after phase, 306 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,360 the recovery, the learning, the analysis. 307 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,920 Like you said, I do believe that people, 308 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,040 and I'll even say we, tend to live in the, 309 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,240 if it went great, we stay in this high. 310 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:35,040 There's this great high that we have never recovering, 311 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,280 not really learning from the experience, 312 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,280 like to keep it consistent, right? 313 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,880 Because if it was something that went well 314 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,400 and never really analyzing, if I had to do this the same way, 315 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,160 do I have the ability to do it again, 316 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,360 just like that, to stay at that level? 317 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,760 So I really, really like the after phase. 318 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,040 And when you mentioned that not too many people live in it, 319 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,240 where did that thought process come from? 320 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,720 Well, I mean, it's just, it's like you said, 321 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,800 if things go well, then we just move on. 322 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,120 We don't really take that time to sit in what happened 323 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,520 and to experience the emotions 324 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:12,680 that we're having good or bad. 325 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:15,840 Again, either way, we're experiencing something. 326 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,600 So let's sit in that, let's allow that to happen 327 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,880 and then turn a little bit more analytical of, 328 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,720 all right, now let's break things down 329 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,160 and see what went right and what went wrong. 330 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,240 And it does take some time, 331 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,240 but it doesn't have to be 332 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,680 an incredibly time consuming process. 333 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:33,840 It really doesn't. 334 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,600 And even the time that it does take is typically helpful. 335 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,040 And I'll tell you, just an example from the stunt world, 336 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,360 is it's well known that a lot of injuries 337 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,560 and badness happens on take two. 338 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:47,720 And the reason for that is because take one, 339 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:48,600 we haven't done it yet. 340 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,200 And so everybody's amped up, everybody's, 341 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,840 the attention's really high, oh, are we gonna do it? 342 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:54,680 What's the safety? 343 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:56,160 Do we have all the precautions in place? 344 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,480 Or what's going on? 345 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,840 And then we do it, it's all great 346 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,480 and everybody's cheering, we get up and it's great. 347 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,640 All right, well, let's do it again. 348 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,120 Well, now there's kind of a, I don't know, 349 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,680 like a, I don't wanna say a let down, but it kind of is. 350 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,120 Cause it's like that release that happens 351 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,960 when things go right. 352 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,680 And then you gotta amp it back up again 353 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:15,040 to where you were to do it right in the first place. 354 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,360 And sometimes that doesn't happen. 355 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,440 And as a result, injuries can occur. 356 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,000 That happens too often in the stunt world. 357 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,400 I tell you, I am still in awe. 358 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,320 It's funny as I sit here and I continue to keep smiling 359 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,960 because as you go back to the stunt world, 360 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,280 I'm like, this is something that really, really, 361 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,600 really happens, you know? 362 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,760 And when you talk about pressure and then the four steps, 363 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,480 it all just really truly goes together. 364 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,280 And with that being said, 365 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,840 what was your most significant learning experience 366 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,840 while doing all of this 367 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,240 and then getting into the four phases? 368 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,560 I don't know that I have a single most 369 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,880 impactful learning experience. 370 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:04,880 I mean, part of me and part of what I have learned 371 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,200 over time to embrace is the love of learning. 372 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,880 I didn't know that I had that as a kid 373 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,520 and into early adulthood. 374 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,440 I just wanted to know, I wanted things quickly. 375 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,320 And then I don't know where I happened along, 376 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,760 mid-20s into 30s, maybe I started to realize, 377 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,400 huh, I really enjoy the growth process. 378 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,720 I enjoy new things. 379 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,760 If I've, I don't even say mastered 380 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,440 because I don't know that that's even possible 381 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,920 to master something. 382 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,240 But even when I get really good at something 383 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,400 and I just, I wanna move on to something else. 384 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,040 I wanna get into a different area 385 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,840 and experience that improvement and growth. 386 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,880 So I guess for me, maybe that's the learning experience 387 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,520 is just a learning that I like to learn is part of it. 388 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,200 I think that is so cool because as you were saying, 389 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,840 and of course I was still reading it, 390 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,440 I was like, he loves to learn. 391 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,440 And you're doing so many things. 392 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,320 And I believe as I look at your shirt, 393 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,760 it says that Brian Hyte Global. 394 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,440 Global means that there's so many other things 395 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,960 apart of you and what you do. 396 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:09,800 Is that correct? 397 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,640 Yeah, I've been playing around, 398 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,720 I'm kind of working through a rebrand at the moment. 399 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,040 I'm playing around with Renaissance Man 400 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,560 just from two standpoints. 401 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,600 One is, yeah, I do a lot of things. 402 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,960 I'm a stunt man, I'm a college faculty member, 403 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,840 I'm an author, I'm a keynote speaker, 404 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,120 I'm a parent, you know, I mean, I'm all these things. 405 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,680 So from that standpoint, Renaissance, 406 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,960 but also because of what I was just talking about. 407 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,840 I love to challenge assumptions and status quo. 408 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,080 I love creativity and innovation and thinking differently, 409 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,680 thinking outside the box. 410 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,880 And that's really, I don't know, 411 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,040 those are the things that get me jazzed up. 412 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,800 When I start, like I said, about pressure. 413 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,280 When we just assume that pressure's going to exist. 414 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,560 Pressure doesn't exist in the situation. 415 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,600 Pressure exists in the mind, not in the moment. 416 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,240 And that's really thinking about that again, 417 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,680 it just challenges that assumption 418 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,000 that by definition, a priori, 419 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,680 from the beginning, pressure's gonna be there. 420 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:10,840 If you're gonna do this thing, 421 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:11,840 you're gonna experience pressure. 422 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,440 So what you need to do is figure out 423 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,600 how to deal with pressure. 424 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,960 And I don't believe that. 425 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,120 I think, no, pressure doesn't have to exist. 426 00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:23,120 And so we just think about it differently. 427 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:26,160 So yeah, so that's kind of the, 428 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,760 so yes, the global piece, the, I don't know, 429 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,200 I just, like I said, I don't like getting it tunneled into 430 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,160 or pigeonholed into any one area. 431 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,800 And it's funny because throughout my career in business, 432 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,920 this whole two and a half year process 433 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,200 of getting my business up and going, 434 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,760 trying to figure out what I'm gonna do, 435 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,000 I am constantly, constantly, by everybody I talk to, 436 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,520 marketing people, podcasts, all kinds of people, 437 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,680 you need to niche down. 438 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,400 You need to make sure everybody knows what you are 439 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,080 and who you are and what you do. 440 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,640 If you're gonna be an author, then be this or be, 441 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,840 like, yeah, I don't wanna be that. 442 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,520 So I've been pushing back on that. 443 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,360 I don't know, for better or worse, 444 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:03,840 we'll see how it all plays out in a few years, 445 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,240 but I just don't, I don't want that. 446 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,560 I want the bigger picture. 447 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,920 I wanna do it all. 448 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,120 And I like that, and that helps me to understand 449 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:13,240 the global piece to it. 450 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:14,680 That also helps me to understand 451 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,480 why you're still jumping out of moving things. 452 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,360 And then flying off. 453 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:24,240 I mean, at that point, when you do have such experience 454 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,880 and you're not, and I hear the word niche all the time 455 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,040 because I'm a real estate agent full-time. 456 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,160 And so it's like, pick your niche, pick your niche. 457 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,360 And there you'll be able to, and that's, I feel that. 458 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,560 I can understand that totally. 459 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,280 But as you start to rebrand and brand yourself, 460 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,240 I'm gonna end with this last statement and question. 461 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,640 Tell me about your vision in it all. 462 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,640 My vision, you know, it morphs daily at this point. 463 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,600 But what I would really like to do, I mean, truly, 464 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,000 what I would love to do is to speak to audiences, 465 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,200 at least a half dozen times a year. 466 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,240 I really, really enjoy being in front of large audiences 467 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,720 and engaging with people. 468 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,600 And for select people, I'd like to do some workshops too, 469 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,240 where we get more one-on-one, more hands-on. 470 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,440 I would like to put out a book, maybe every two years, 471 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,160 maybe, I think is probably realistic. 472 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,560 Put out a different book every two years. 473 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,400 I love writing. 474 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,960 That was, again, something I had no idea, 475 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,560 maybe five years ago, if you'd have told me, 476 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,040 yeah, you're gonna be writing books. 477 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,360 I'd have told you you were crazy, but here we are. 478 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:33,280 So I would like to be writing books. 479 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,000 And I would like to still be doing stunts 480 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,520 in some kind of capacity until either my body gives out 481 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,120 or stunt coordinators just quit hiring me, 482 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:44,360 because it's something I love. 483 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:46,600 I love the people, I love the industry, 484 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,320 I love the energy. 485 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,040 It really is just my home. 486 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,280 It's something I've done for 30 years. 487 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,400 It's where I feel most comfortable being on set 488 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,600 and in those environments. 489 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,720 So I don't wanna lose that. 490 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,000 But honestly, I get a little bit of that from the speaking, 491 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,080 which maybe why it is that I enjoy that, 492 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,480 just being able to stand on stage and talk. 493 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,840 So that's my vision, being able to give some talks, 494 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,800 write some books, do some workshops, 495 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,200 and then maybe create some classes that are online 496 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,840 for people who aren't in the room when I'm talking 497 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,680 or can't attend the workshops. 498 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,240 They're there too, because I do enjoy passing on information 499 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,200 that I think might help people. 500 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,560 Thank you for being here today. 501 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,040 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 502 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,680 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions 503 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,960 as these episodes continue to move forward. 504 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,680 This is gonna get more and more fun. 505 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,480 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 506 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,600 We'll invite people to participate in the show 507 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,960 and thank you for giving us your time and attention. 508 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,680 Have an excellent time building out your vision 509 00:20:45,680 --> 00:21:04,680 and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.