But yeah, no exciting exciting times going into the knit going into the end of the year
This is it's probably been one of my favorite end of years as an adult
That I've ever had just just really just feels good to go into it and the resolutions will be fine
But you know at 2025 is gonna take care of itself
I'm gonna be riding this wave to just enjoy this last month. How about yourself Scott? What's what's new with you?
We we've met in a while when your podcast inspired studentship. It was awesome
You have some really cool ways of like taking care of people to the next level that I'll talk about throughout the show
But how's your how's your year you're wrapping up? You know, honestly, it's been it's been a really good year
I've I've had we've had a lot of big events both you know on the business side, but as well on the life side
You know business perspective, but my book came out this year. That was a big thing. That was a big milestone
I've had a really good client success this year both in terms of you know
Quote my end of it picking up clients serving clients all of that their end of it. They've had some milestones
They've hit some successes. They've had some some things that they can check off in their business and you know as a coach
It's always fun because you get to cut them you have your own internal success
Milestones that you get to have fun with and then you also have your clients milestones
If you you get to have fun with and then you know on a personal level my wife and I moved this year
We've got a new house moved to a new town
You know, so that's obviously a lot of change on a personal thing
But again, that's one of the beauties of the business that I built
I deliberately built a business where I wanted something where if we needed to pick up and move if we wanted to go someplace else
The business could just go with me, you know, and so because I deliberately built it that way
I think I was down all of a week while we were getting the home office set up and you know
They're right back to business as usual. So that was fun as well. That's awesome
And for those of you listening in you visionaries who are perhaps
Becoming even more aligned with the podcast world and considering it yourself
We have another fellow podcast expert and Scott so let's talk a little bit about
Inspired stewardship I got to be on the show super honored by that
One of the things that Scott did at the end was he had me record kind of like a promo reel about inspired stewardship
While we were doing the wrap-up and it was great because it gave me the essence of already having experienced the show
And then I could kind of recap around what we had already talked about an experience
It was just a really brilliant moves. You had a great coach
If you don't mind revealing I'd love to know who the coach was to help with your processes to tell the listeners
What is inspired stewardship all about because I'm already bought in but I'd love to hear it from you
directly sure so
Inspired stewardship, like you said, that's my podcast. I've been doing it since 2018
At one time I was podcasting six days a week. I've dropped back down to about two days a week right now
But I've got over 1500 episodes because you know there for almost two years
I was podcasting six days a week so that you know, you had a large volume very quickly when you do it that often
As far as my podcast coach, that was a gentleman by the name of Jeff Brown
He actually has a podcast called the read to lead podcast, which by the way if people ask, you know
What are resources? I know we're gonna talk about that. There's one of them
You know, I'll give you give you foreshadowing and Jeff helps a lot with setting folks up
Not just on the mechanics of the podcast because I think a lot of podcast coach focus on the mechanics
He focuses a lot on how do you interview? How do you ask good questions? How do you?
How do you share things in a way that's effective? How do you do that piece of it?
He was in radio for decades and so he's got that personal experience of the radio background and all of that
He's also got one of the greatest voices you'll ever hear for podcast
He's kind of got the James Earl Brown, you know James Earl Jones kind of voice going on and
It does a great job around that and so back in the very beginning whenever I was starting the podcast
I hooked in with a mastermind and then hired him as a podcast coach
And I honestly think that was probably one of the best investments
I did is setting up from the beginning of not just doing this as a hobby
But doing it is something that I wanted to be a part of my business
I wanted it to have some some milestones some things that I could hit that that would really be effective for me
And I would honestly say for folks that want to get into podcasting first off. It is an awesome tool
You know, I mentioned the book earlier everything in the book came from the podcast because I hate
But I love to talk so by doing a podcast I could take all of that content that I talked about
And work with somebody else and go hey, let's turn that into a book
You know, I was able to make connections through the podcast that if the person that edited the book
I made a connection the person that did the forward the person so the networking that you do
So yeah, you can use the podcast as like a marketing tool and I do that and I get clients through the podcast and all of that
But there's a secondary level of effect if you set it up right and do it well where you can use it as a networking tool
You can use it as a connecting tool. You can use it to produce other content
You can repurpose everything you do, you know
It's all these ripples that you can do and that's one of the things as a coach that he set me up to do from the very beginning
It's not just look at it as one lane, but say, okay, how can you do this one thing?
And turn it into 17 other things
It's a compound effect
Yeah, and it does that naturally it's got that ability when when we are centered with our authenticity
It compounds our authenticity in unforeseen ways
And I think that's one of the neat things is you're the marketing you may have even done it with that intent
But it's actually a byproduct. It's second, right?
So you're and that's what your show really represents to me as well
So I love I love how deep you're willing to dive on that
I circled Jeff Brown's name because I'm a fan of Jeff Brown's name
Jeff Brown's name because it's it's you know, we all all of you out there
You you guys have all signed coaches that you just were less than happy with you're welcome to comment on how you feel about your past
Coaching experiences. I know most people they're not too happy with how those engagements went
So the fact Scott you speak that highly about Jeff says a lot
Especially with the quality of a podcast and just human leader that you are
We're going to be talking about the value of management too in just a little bit now as we as we get ready to shift towards that though
You've got a couple of decades of wisdom on your belt. I think you're at least 20 years old
Um, and I appreciate the value of the wisdom that you carry with those decades
so
What are three resources that you recommend for visionary leaders that have helped you on this journey?
So that first one i'm going to go back to the read to lead podcast to me. That is a big one
Um, I believe and that's the theme of that podcast leaders are readers readers are leaders
I think if you're any sort of leader or any sort of leadership position if you're not doing lifelong learning and continuously pouring into yourself
You you're doing it wrong
You know
That that is step number one and and actually in the frameworks I use you know
One of the first things I talk about is investing in yourself and and that's a big piece of it
The second resource I would do is and and I use disk for this uh disk being a personality and communication assessment tool
um learning more about communication
I would suggest disk is a methodology of that. There's other ones out there and and it could be other things
But whether that's learning to do a ted talk whether that's investing in personal speaking and coaching around that area
I would use disk and and learning more about that as my actual suggestion
It's the way finding a framework where you can understand not just how you communicate but how other people communicate
So that you can actually talk to people
And get your point across in a way that's effective and efficient and and works
and then the third resource that I would give is
and and I may be kind of shortcutting or or
circumventing what you were going to say but or or what you would uh what you would count as a resource is
I honestly would suggest to people that having that 30 minutes of the day that they set aside
for white space time
Is a resource and this is one that's free
You know, you don't have to go pay somebody to do this
But actually putting that appointment on your your calendar 30 minutes an hour 45 minutes
Maybe it's even 15 is all you can squeak out
But doing it every day with consistency to have that blank time where you don't have anyone else that you're meeting with
You don't have you're not talking to any of your assistants. You're not talking to anyone else
But as a leader, you're spending some time in your own
Thinking in your own planning in your own. What is important to me? What is my why?
What am I doing that is actually connecting to what am I grateful for? You know those sorts of reflection
Questions and looking forward questions
That we all need to be doing with a real regular cadence
And yet I think most of us don't set aside any kind of dedication to what we're doing
Set aside any kind of dedicated to time to do that
Then we get to the end of the year and we look up and we're like, uh
You know what what the heck happened this year?
And it's just putting that on your calendar and then enforcing that and really living into that
Whoo?
I feel so validated. I'm gonna run around my chair real quick because I love that you said that it's such an important
Reality and and those of you listening. Yes celebrate life too my friends. It's such a great. Oh, it's absolutely the uh,
30 minutes of white space. Nobody's put it that way. We've had a few people talk about the value of meditation
Um, and so we're gonna include the the chat gpt generated articles and guides that we created based on some of the props from the show
Regarding meditation so that we can look into that
The the process of of talking to other visionary leaders like scott like my friends. Those of you listening in
You might consider the value of how you know your own podcast can help shape
And refine your own vision. I cannot even begin to describe the amount of transformations that this helped me accomplish as a leader
So about two weeks ago
I asked my assistant. I said hey angie. Can you do me a favor? I want to start having
30 minute prayer and meditation gaps after every single one of my meetings
Um, I I don't and I know we're gonna have to work our work on that for the schedule to get to be that often but
That's my new commitment level to what you talked about. You're talking about one 30 minute white space
Which I which I absolutely appreciate at least start there
Yeah, and I know for myself. I'm just so good at shiny object syndrome
Um, right. It's hard to do the full 30 minutes. And so if I only put 30 minutes
I'll probably only do three minutes if not 30 seconds
Um, right. So the ability to kind of put that in helps me get more of a discipline
Many of you here on the show too at 2 30
Dong a bell goes off on my on my clock during the show
That's my prayer bell. It reminds me to
Say a prayer no matter what i'm doing what i'm in the middle of I can do two things simultaneously
Just like i'm gonna use two hands at once as well. No matter what science says
And I love that you talked about disc disc is a definitely one of my favorite assessments
disc
colby
meyers-briggs and strengths findings
Colby meyers-briggs and strengths finder 2.0 colby strengths finder are my two favorites if you had to boil down into
One any of those four are good starting points if you haven't used those I highly recommend
Maybe 30 minutes of white space 15 goes to white space
15 goes to starting to understand which assessments can help you progress if you're really that time
Limited so it's got those are phenomenal resources again
We're going to come back these tools are some of the best tools on earth for management in general
So scott you've already delivered but we're going to come back diving deeper with your vision for
Management and the value of it and how we're both implementing that and our brands and one of our clients
And vision pros will see you guys on the other side. All right, welcome in to vision pros live with jackson callum
I'm your show host
We will be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are building fantastic visions out there
What's up everybody welcome into another episode of vision pros live i'm your show host jackson callum founder
And ceo of first class business. I literally almost forgot my name right there. Um, that was awesome
I've got scott mater on today and scott is from a he has a show called inspired stewardship and
To be honest with you guys when I first heard of it like I did not care if he was even good at it or not
I was just so excited to hear somebody use the words inspired and stewardship together and to focus their life and attention on that
Now in all reality, he is quite awesome at both of those things
He inspired me tremendously
I was excited to get him to come over to our show and and get to interview him about all things scott
And management happens to be the topic of choice for the day
He's got depths well beyond that in terms of marriage family
All the good vibes and things we typically stand for on vision pros scott's become a great friend and
He does get a little bit of an automatic pass because he's also in texas and we have a thing for texans
Um, so on the the sponsorship side, we have some resources for you as well
Uh, we swapped one out today. We had a new surprise one. So we've got open eyes at the raja part of latinos
That's opportunities for work for latinos
Our program opportunities has now expanded into the philippines and into india as well
And what we're doing is well
We're looking for leaders that come from those cultural backgrounds who want to be on those podcasts because we have spanish podcasts
We got the indian podcast coming out. We got the philippinos podcast leaders who will inspire
The rest of the world the people were trying to we're bridging the economic gap to north america south america rest of world
And while that doesn't necessarily directly affect you
Most of you out there have explored the idea of va relationships. You call it virtual assistance
We call it virtual abuse
I'm really i'm just really sad and tired of seeing so many entrepreneurs not taking interest in the lives of the people
That they're helping and we try to facilitate a relationship between what we call digital ambassadors
Which are very well-trained virtual assistants and the ability to help and support entrepreneurs who are going to take care of them and help them
Build an awesome vision for their lives. So that inspires you let us know go and check out opportunities
Organize the dns.com for for the people who speak spanish then there's learn and grow rich
Um when I saw zack omen's brand, I like immediate red flags
I was like i'm gonna grow rich sounds so spammy and so
Like but their values their virtues learn and grow and be rich rich is an abundant virtue
And be rich rich is an abundant virtue. Zack is an abundant man
I have fallen in love with this man in the best of ways for business
He abides by the same principles of first class business has which is why i'm excited to announce
Zack omen is our new chief financial officer at first class business
And the reason why we've chosen zack above all the others that we've worked with in the past is
Zack's at scale. He offers his services to the world and has built procedures resources and templates to help him do that
And his executive prowess to talk deeply about things that are difficult and hard and do so in a fun way
And also explain things with extreme clarity
I am so grateful for having found zack omen in life
And if you're looking for somebody to help on the financial side
There's a reason I hired him the only thing that I am asking you not to do
Please don't contract him at a financial level where he has to abandon first class business
Um, that is the big favor that I ask that is one of the reasons why entrepreneurs don't share their best resources
But i'm like nope if he wants to stay he'll stay
But I highly recommend always recruiting the best of the best
By going after them as the best of the best not in fear or worry or doubt
Otherwise, they probably won't want to work with you
Then there's the water project the water project is something that is near and dear to my heart these days
As I meditated like mike scott said took time for the white space to think through this
And I I had to i've never been thirsty in my life not like truly
In thirst these kids these families they have to sometimes go three to five miles just to find a source of water
It's oftentimes not clean
You can imagine what that would be like to have to go find water in a ditch or something
And it broke my heart as I thought about it
And it also made me realize that wow we got millions of people out there
Who are able and willing to celebrate access to clean water the way my children celebrate
And celebrate christmas day and even beyond probably
And the water project to set this up to where you get to pick the community that you're going to support
So you get to see the project come to fruition
They give you updates by social evidence or proof that it did happen and you get to learn about how these projects
Um occur sand dams borehole wells, etc
Really cool process to be involved in again. I'm no i'm not affiliated with this project. It just inspires me figure
it's one of the most
needed resources on earth
And I gotta do my part i'm gonna rock this microphone to inspire people to talk about it
If you've got the financial power to invest in it or to give back to please do if you don't
My hope is that you'll at least take the time to talk to somebody about it because you never know they might end up
Donating 10 000 or 100 000 or doing something beyond we've got 8 billion people to help
So if you're thinking of another cause that's near and dear to your heart
Drop the link in the comments. Let us know about it. It's something that I will personally explore
Or my team will probably explore we might talk about on the show again
We have so much opportunity to do good in subtle and small ways that sometimes we take for granted
I hope you join me in that effort without further ado scott mater
Thank you for being here to bless the lives of our visionaries. Welcome to vision pros live
Thanks so much. I'm happy to be here. Yeah, absolutely
So scott, um as we talk about the value of management, we've got the ability to cover the basics that chat gbt could cover
Um, you know or to help people with a basic search of what is management or what is manager?
I think we kind of got to cover that but i'm really looking forward to
To dive into some of the heftier aspects of management some of the ways that we may
overlook
How we may not be applying it as visionaries and how do we remove some of those blind spots for people?
That are tuning in so i'm going to leave it that broad. Where do you want to be in?
You know, I I think and i'm going to go back to something that you said
Uh while you were sharing some of the resources a moment ago
I think a lot of times we look at management as kind of the operational stuff
It's kind of like what i was talking about with the podcast coach, right where it's all about the the technical stuff
And for me and it's honestly it's why my brand is inspired stewardship is I look at management
I look at leadership. I look at those things through that lens of stewardship
What does stewardship mean right stewardship means whatever resources i've been blessed with by god
My job is to manage those resources not own them not control them not hold on to them
but manage those resources
not just for my benefit but for the benefit of
Everyone around me that could be my clients that could be my customers that can be my employees that could be that va
You know that we're mistreating that could be the people that don't have water that could be all of those things that you were just talking
about are part and parcel of that circle of
managing
Those resources that we're blessed with and so for me it's changing that frame of reference is where we have to start
Because everything else comes secondary to that
I think that's a lot of where the shiny object syndrome and all of those other things come from
Is we're looking at everything from a very
Practical bottom line, you know nuts and bolts kind of
mindset when if we reframe it and look at it as a stewardship a gifting a
Management kind of mindset not ownership sort of mindset
It begins to let us look at these things a little differently and think about things a little bit differently and make decisions
differently I love that what you're exploring is something I think we have a really hard time to
hard time doing
especially as
english-speaking Americans
And and I it's not
It's not so much a call out on our culture or our politics as it is
When you live in europe and you've got several languages around you, right?
The you realize that there's lots of definitions to lots of different words
Um, our mixing pot is you know, our melting pot in america is starting to kind of get that but
If we isolate around one concept of love
Right. We we may like the romantic love we may miss out on the understanding that that love's more universal than that
There's more applications you're talking about that from a management standpoint a metric kpis
I think a lot of people end up saying well, it's not about the numbers
It's about the people behind the numbers and yes and yes, you know, why are we creating a fight?
About an opportunity to explore
That maybe there's more definitions or paradigms or perspectives
And we don't quite have access to and I love that you're talking about that the one-minute manager another great easy resource
That that talks more about the human side of being there for people
um in a quick efficient
Diplomatic way, uh to help people achieve great results. So yeah, let's dive further into that
Uh, you know, you were just talking about the one minute management manager and we talked about disk earlier
I'll give you a real world example. So I worked in the corporate world for 11 years, right?
I was a senior leader. I had leaders reporting to me. I had staff reporting to me had a big team
You know all of those sorts of things and this was right at the same time that I began learning about disk
And I realized real quickly. Wait a minute. I'm
I'm a dc so i'm a high driver high results oriented guy very task oriented very
You know set up the systems in the processes. Those are my giftings. That's what i'm really good at
Well a large portion of my staff weren't wired like me
You know, they were on the other side. They were much more the s's and the i's which were more interested in
In fun and or status quo and people connection and those sorts of things
So I literally set up a an event on my calendar that popped up every wednesday at a certain time
And it would list three people's names
And I had to get up from my desk leave my office and go to the cubicle of those three people
And visit with them for five or ten minutes
They were my essence. They were those people that needed that people connection
Now those of you that know disk are like wait eyes also need the people connection
But remember eyes were coming to my office. I didn't need to go see Chris
They came to me, okay, you know, they they stopped by in the morning. Hey, how you doing? It's like, yeah, i'm doing great
So I visited with them. I was already having contact with them
But the s's would just sit there and keep their head down and get their job done
And nobody would ever go check in on them. Well, I started doing that
And what was amazing is the productivity of my team?
like doubled
And it wasn't I didn't it wasn't anything weird, you know in terms of I didn't have a job
Weird, you know in terms of I didn't do anything magical
But what I did was I just let them feel like a human being and it was magical to them
I reached them the way they wanted to be reached, you know
And and by the way, they knew there was an event on my calendar
They knew that their name came up, you know on a schedule
They knew that I took notes while we were talking so that I would remember, you know
Oh their kids names and that kind of you know, I was I was making an effort to actually learn them
They knew that it was work for me in a way, you know
They they understood all of that and that actually made it more valuable to them
Not less because people are like, well, it wasn't really authentic if it kind of had to pop up on a calendar. It's like
Absolutely. It was authentic. It was authentic for them, you know
You cultivated that you put the effort into generating that because you valued them that much. I love it
Yeah, and and so that's an example of and again, it's that framework of looking at it not as a
Oh, I'm I didn't do it so that productivity would go up
Yeah, I did it to connect another big thing on the calendars, right a calendar most people
So I could be wrong
But I think most people associate the calendar and the task or the activity on the calendar
As something that is a chore that has to be done
But in my life my calendar is chock full of things that I get to do
They're the opportunities in my day. They're the things that i'm excited about doing because i've created a life
Around doing the things that I love doing
So there's if if we have that mindset that the calendar is a chore and the things that I'm stuck doing on here are negative to me
Then it's actually if that's your mindset, that's you stuck with that. Nobody's forcing you look at the system
In that way, so keep going scott. It was a beautiful example
Well, and and that brings us to the other framework if you know
We tend to put things and I think this is a very western culture
American kind of mindset thing and it gets back to what you were talking about
We tend to want to put things into either or kinds of boxes, you know
So either my calendar is a chore and everything on it is horrible
Or I get to live the life I want and I'm spontaneous and you know
I just kind of live freely and come as you know, yolo and all of that and it's like
Okay, real truth is that's two extremes, you know that that's two ends to this long continuum with a bazillion data points in between the two
Why do we say there's two?
There's a million, you know and more often than not it's a both and so guess what?
There are days on my calendar when I block off a whole day
To just do whatever you know, and and and if i'm not real productive that day
Okay
That day wasn't set up to be a productive day that day was set up to do
You know
It was intentional or to rest or to recharge or to it was intentionally set aside
And I can choose to be spontaneous too. If something comes up on my calendar
It's like, you know what? I'd rather do this other thing than that. Okay, I can choose to do that
But the trick is to make that active choice
I I think the framework and we all do this and it's you just said it
We have that I had to do it mindset and that's one of the first things I get
I try to break my clients from saying, you know, I had to do this. No, no
Likewise, likewise
You chose to do it
We do not have to use the word have to need to
No, gosh, I'm obligated
Gosh, I'm obligated it shows that gave you the power because otherwise you're advocating your power. You're right literally saying I have no power
Oh
And you're you're a slave to whatever my language right exactly the old man
Our language our language is how we see the world. That is the reality we create. It's
The way we describe things people don't understand how incredibly
incredibly
Powerful it is to just tweak the word. We're gonna play a game real quick. So here's here's our visionaries
If you're writing down right now
I have to fix my language. You're missing
You're missing the point
I get to I get to choose to I have an opportunity to I want to
Right. What a blessing it is to there's there's so many
Alternative mindsets and I know most of most most people in the world would kind of like man. They're just lost in the fluff
Man, I'm happy in the fluff
Fluff is what really changes thing. I'm happy right you said something earlier. I want to call us back
I want to go back to this attention point because it was such a beautifully articulated form of leadership
That is so uncommon in the world that would dramatically increase profitability
Increase productivity and to help people connect at such a such a bigger level level you had a chance to say
the VA
That they are mistreating or the VA that you are mistreating
You chose to say
the VA that we
Are mistreating we're and which means and I was like I love that you said that because oh, I'm guilty as charged
Of course with not being perfect with my relationships. I am a human being who is fallible
I have lots to learn in life and
The opportunity to help leaders step into owning that we're still moving. We're gonna make mistakes
We've made mistakes in the past. We're all learning will create to me
I think that's one of the greatest keys to creating more trust
better conflict
More results within companies. Thank you Patrick Lynch only five dysfunctions of a team, you know for talking through that. That's a great resource
where
have you always been able to speak with this concept of we when it came to negativity and
How did you make that transition and so visionaries listening in if you've got executives working with your team members working with you
I can almost guarantee you that somebody in your life is struggling with this concept even if you're already past it
Learning to articulate it and approach it is a great thing to do to strengthen the power of your team
Scott how'd you how'd you get to where you include yourself in those moments?
You know, I first off the the question was, you know, have I always been like that? Absolutely not
I think for me a lot of it came out of my so my first career, you know
I'm like a lot of us. I've done a lot of different things in my life
my first career was actually as a school teacher and
For 16 years I taught in the public school system. I taught science. I taught in a private school
you know, I've taught in those kind of environments and
I think that believe it or not is where a lot of my real leadership
Training came in and and beginning to learn to change some of the ways I say things some of the ways
I think about things some of the ways I do things and at first glance
You know somebody that's been in the corporate world their whole life is like school teaching teaches you about
But it does because a lot of ignorance in the corporate world. I'm gonna say it for us
You're in a room with a hundred and you know 150 people throughout the day. I mean, it's not all in 150
In subordinate in the vid people who don't want to be there don't want to learn a lot of times and don't really respect you
And go ahead and and don't have any real fire reason. I can't fire them. I can't get rid of them
So I had to learn to be like, okay. I've got to manage this environment. I've got a lead in this environment
I've got to get them to buy in and
So I began to shift the way I talked about things and like you were talking about I versus we or you versus we
You know it that's a small shift, but it's a big shift because all of a sudden it's like, okay
We've got this situation
How are we going to fix it? And once they learn that you really meant that and you actually want their input
And that their inputs valuable and that you may actually even take their input and do what they also they're like
Well, wait a minute. We can do something different. Yeah, we can do something different. What are you? What do we need?
You know what what how can we make this situation different?
And so it's that balancing act of and that doesn't mean it's lawless and everybody gets to do whatever they want whatever they want
That's again one extreme of a continuum and there's a lot of points, but it also means I'm not running a top-down
You know walk in here and everybody's in handcuffs and sits in the same chair and does everything the same way every day
You know, there's a continuum and we work along that continuum and it really comes back to that framework
That's when I started to learn it and then when I went into the corporate world, I realized oh wow
You know the the same skills that I was applying there apply here
And now as a coach same thing the same skills
I was applying there apply here in marriage same thing nonprofit world same thing, you know
I feel so ignorant right now and
That's one of those opportunities right as as leaders like do we choose to embrace that or hide from a run for?
Put ourselves down for it. I can fully wholeheartedly say I feel ignorant without feeling any lack of confidence visionaries
Because we're all learning right? It's it's an opportunity. So
You've hit something I for all you listening who are gonna be like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it and see that
No, I couldn't I couldn't see that teachers had that powerful management
Skill set until Scott just now opened my eyes to it even though I've been saying that for years about stay-at-home parents
And how parents are some of the best managers in the entire world?
and if they ever do want to go into the corporate world and they need to go in with absolute confidence and self-assuredness that
They know how to help people win because that's exactly what you do as a stay-at-home parent
You can't fire kids you have to and you want to love them
so there's an there's an incredible amount of
wisdom leadership and stewardship that comes out of that and the hospitality industry as well as one another you can't fire your
Guests or no matter how rude they are and how bad they might be at the table
You got to find a way to serve them and serve them in a way where they at least feel loved whether you love them or not
That's still your choice
But I didn't think about the even back
I was a teacher. I was a I was a waiter. That's another one. You know, I was a waiter in a restaurant
Yeah, that's the same thing. You have to learn the same sort of skill set
So if I think about it, I cannot wait to recruit more teachers now
Like you've just empowered me to realize that strong connection there and and help connect that sometimes it's about
Opening people's eyes to visions. They're not looking at to right?
So again, that's back to that we tend to put things in boxes, you know
It teaching is a skills and and again, is this true of every teacher? Oh
Probably not but but it is true of the really good teachers stop and think for a minute the teacher that you remember
And most of us have it that that teacher or two that we're like man, you know, mrs. Jackson
She was awesome, you know, you know, whoever it was right you've somebody could you say it right now?
Richard Gonzalez
Mrs. Patterson I had some great teachers, but those were the teachers that I'm talking about
You know, those are the ones that you realize
Oh you felt empowered you felt even if it was a subject some of sometimes they were in this class that I was like
I was the worst at
You know, but they were so good because they still made me feel valued. They still made me feel important
They still made me feel like I was able to to make progress
Even if it wasn't something that just came naturally to me or I was gifted in or whatever
Those are the teachers and that's the skill set that I'm talking about because we also all have that other teacher
that we
Say that name
Nope, she doesn't get the credit. Nope not happening
Don't say those names, but we all have that teacher too. That's like
you know same thing happens in the
Working world, right? We all have the bosses that were bosses and we all have the boss
neat those work bosses, I respect the management in a different way to because
When we learn to when we learn to self-manage, right when I've learned to get the most out of my management capacities
I can reflect on that really awful teacher and how many lessons I learned on how not to lead
I can also reflect. Oh, yeah times when I was able to
Overcome certain situations or other students were able to overcome certain situations
So the history book is still wide open and it is powerful to learn from the good the bad and the ugly
You can always learn something you just gotta figure out what you're supposed to learn
You know, everything has lessons in it. Absolutely
Even if the lesson is oh, I don't want to do it that way
Speaking of lessons my absolute favorite question to ask
Scott if this was the last opportunity you had to share advice with the world and share something powerful
What powerful lesson can other visionaries learn from your experience?
you know, I think that the most powerful thing that I've learned is that frame that I've shared earlier of
moving from trying to put everything into either or kinds of boxes and
beginning to look at the world as more of a blend of both and of
finding a way
that you can have as
Many of the pros from as many different parts of it as you can and limit the cons, you know
Right have as many wins for as many people
with as few downsides for as many people and those sorts of
thinking
Where it's not a matter of thinking about it from
You know, how are we gonna make this happen? It's just this is going to happen now
Our our trick is just to figure out the route
It's going to work out that way
What route do we need to take to get there?
because I think a lot of the times the reason we don't do that as leaders is because
we get tempted to look for the quick and the short and the easy and
Usually the paths that lead to the most wins
Involved going out of your way. They involve taking a few extra steps. They involve bringing in some more resources
They involve widening the circle as opposed to narrowing the circle
And so it's finding those ways to widen your circle and look for the both and rather than the either or I love that and so
I don't know if it's more tricky or not in our current world
But it because I didn't live in the past world, but it feels like it, you know
We live in a world of gamified opportunities, right and I there's nothing
Negative about that in and of itself, but if we've built our life around apps and mechanisms
Jeopardy
Again newer apps that put you on a time limit for everything that you do, right?
You're trying to race the clock to get it done
That's where you get the reward and the highest form of compensation and yada yada like
It's hard with all of that external time based pressure
To take a step back and appreciate the value of well, this is my favorite mouse pad in the world
the effective executive by dr. Peter Drucker
And it's a constant reminder for me about his chapter know thy time and understanding that
you know, it's
My best thing to do might be to go sit on a wall
for two hours
Hmm
Go for a walk
I love walking. I do the walking more than the sitting because I'm in a stationary place most of the day
And that's usually how I pray. Oh my best is when I go on a walk
It's easier for me. It's some of my best reflection time is going on a walk
I don't close my eyes right when I'm walking across the road
By any means, but um, you know, you gotta be safe and how you do these things
But you don't have to close your eyes to pray though
exactly
and so the
The challenge for all of us is in a world where almost
Or we just have constant bombardment of get this done fast finish this to-do list get all these things finished
You have time on them to do this
Do we do we have the self-discipline the self-management skills?
to say
I'm in control not that timer
Well, and it's also changing the frame where it's because here's the thing we wear busy as a badge of honor, right?
I think about busy is broke busy is broke. All we talk about is busy, right?
If somebody asks you how are you doing?
90 of the time we give one of two answers. The answer one is I'm doing okay
Which is really just a non kind of generic way of saying please don't talk to me anymore
Let's move on and the other answer is I'm busy. I mean, that's what we say in our culture
Those are the two answers. Here's what busy means busy means. I got a lot of things done
It has no it says nothing about the value of those things
So literally if you sat in your backyard and you picked up a rock and you walk to the other side of the yard
You drop a rock you walk over you pick up another rock you drop and you did that all day long
You just moved rocks from one side of the yard to the other side of the yard you you qualify as busy
Okay, most of us would not say that's a real productive day, but you bet you're busy
So, you know, that's where I try to talk to people about being productive or or walking on the things that are truly
I only want to question for you about those things. I'm gonna rudely interrupt you
I get to do that because it's a podcast guys. Oh, right
But I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that
Because it's a podcast guys. Um, right, but here we go
This is so important to me and i'm hoping this helps also other visionaries
You chose to include yourself as a leader and saying, you know
We like to say 90 percent time that we are busy and i'm learning as a leader
When I don't actually use certain words because i've trained myself out of it
Um, is it appropriate for me to continue to say we related to that when i've kind of abandoned it entirely or not?
And so i've got to ask you scott
Do you actually tell people you're busy still these days or is that a habit that you abandon at some point along the way?
What does it look like for you? I I probably am not completely broken that answer out of my my language
There's probably still times when i'll say that I tend to say i'm productive more than i'm busy
You know or or something like that
But yeah, there's still times I say it. Um, I want to hear your perspective on my culturally it fits sometimes, you know
That's right. And here's a here's my next perspective on that. Um
How do you how do you go about?
As a as a diplomat right as a podcaster host, um and somebody who's
guiding a large majority of people
What's the line there? Um, am I overthinking it? Um in terms of
Oh, man, I don't want to use that term because that literally doesn't align with me even though everybody kind of says it like that
Well, what is your advice? As a as a spokesperson?
So I think it's like all the other language things that we've talked about talked about
I think the first step is awareness of it and thinking okay. Why am I saying that in other words?
Again, if i'm saying i'm busy and it's more of a kind of like the okay
It's really just shorthand for i'm going to give you an answer so we can move on
And that's sort of intentional or behind, you know, that's really the mindset and the mentality
Mentality, I don't know that it's good or bad. It's it's I don't think it's I think it's more value neutral
Does that make sense? Because it's really more than it's more about the
The grease that we use to keep the wheels of conversation moving and that kind of thing
On the other hand, I think like if I was to use it routinely so like I don't use that with clients
You know as an example because in that setting in that framework, don't use which part the busy
I don't use the phrasing busy because there i'm in a relationship where the that is what we're working on
Is those frameworks and that language and thinking about the way we're thinking?
So that's where I think
Sometimes it has a difference in terms of what setting you're in what everything else that you're in
So are you overthinking it? No, probably not. If anything, I would say maybe
Think more about when do you want to use it versus when don't you?
You know
Because it's intentionality is really the important. Yes it is
You know, I I mean I love that. I I really appreciate
One appreciate you validating me so I can just know that I was right. I'm just kidding
Um, I I appreciate the concept because it's one of those things that I think a lot of leaders take for granted
and a lot of leaders
Have a desire to go to the next level the next level the next level of their careers
I think one of the things that holds most
b c d and e
Leaders back from becoming a-list leaders
Is the lack of intentionality with word choice?
um
If you're not intentional with your words
And you're a loose cannon with an audience that you're guiding
Um, the audience is going to feel confused and the confused mind says no and you get for you're never even going to make the history book
Of leaders who didn't make it because you didn't make it. Um, right?
so that's that's one of those things that I I strive to be very intentional about and
Sometimes it feels like you're an alien, right?
When when you're one of the the only one not using the word, right? So the word hope that's my big example right now is
I love the word hope and what it truly means in terms of belief and the virtue that it is
Yet we live in a society that almost exclusively uses the word hope in negative context
I hope he doesn't screw that up. Oh, I hope we don't have to go through this again
Like we have tarnished the value of that word and large predominance
Help me see if i'm wrong on that though. Do you do what examples and communities? Do you see us?
Using the word hope in a positive and uplifting fashion the way that I think the word was intended
You know, I I think
I think you're right in a lot of ways in terms of I think we've
We kind of changed the word hope to mean
Here's an example from a business perspective, let me let me give you a little more context on it, right so
when an entrepreneur says
Are you confident that we'll be able to accomplish this by that date?
And my response is yeah, I hope so
You hope so. Um, you know, like what do you mean? You hope so like why are you not confident?
I'm like, oh no, no, like I'm I'm totally confident and hope
But there's that
Almost everybody
Would miss the context of that in a business environment, right? Yeah, I think we've changed the word hope to sort of mean
This is why I think that reaction that you just talked about happens
To sort of be more of this. It's like what we don't know
You know hope is the opposite of knowing
And it's because we value so much that confidence of knowing but here's the truth
I mean stop and think about it in that situation if you answered. Oh, I know we can make it
You know in that first in that first question. Oh, I know we can make it. Would you really know?
You know, is it is it
Really 100 confidence? Can you really guarantee it? Can you really and the odds are probably pretty good
No, you can't where hope really does mean
that
Again, it's not the opposite of confidence. It's it's more about the the faith of it
It's more about the I'm I'm believing this is possible
I love evidence not evidence. You know, yeah, you gave me something huge scott. So, um,
Just exploring this with you allowed me to realize ultimately
I haven't been paying attention to the true reality of that experience and that
There's two people on that equation, right? So
In my case, i'm actually i'm not harsh
But i'm very strict about the types of client relationships that I have and how we approach things. So
If I have a client who's doing that and they react negatively to the aspect of how i'm using hope and that
context and and uh conversation
They're not very well aligned
with me something on it because
they are
attempting to make me project a yes man scenario
and attempting to coerce me into
Promising something that I can't promise and there's ultimately an underlying threat that exists there of if you don't hit this there will be consequences
You know if you don't accomplish this then if you're not going to guarantee me victory in life and I don't work with people like that
Um, you know like ned yeah, no, um one i'm not gonna lie to you. Um, you know two
everything in possible existence says this should go well, but your obsession with
You know manipulating my confidence is the actual problem in that scenario
Um, and I think as leaders we have opportunities to reflect on both ends of that equation
Do we actually do that to our team members sometimes with things that we want and hope and expect from them?
And on the other side when we're taking on contracts or relationships or business partners or trying to explain our vision to others and they just don't get it
I think this is where that white space advice comes into play right? We need to honor what scott gave us
Uh, we have the opportunity reframing to honor what scott gave us in terms of
That's also why it's really helpful to have 30 minute of white space in your day
So you can consider these things outside of the pressured context of a given situation
Scott i'll let you wrap up. We're at the end of the show, but by all means man. What do you got for us at the end here?
Well, and and just kind of bouncing off what you said. I I think it's also why it's so important as leaders
That we have a curiosity mindset
All the time and it's so if if there's misalignment on the word hope, you know get curious about that
Why you know, what what is it behind that misalignment?
Is it like you said that they've got a really closed mindset and they're looking for a yes, man
You know, just tell me the way it is and tell me that reality is the way I want it to be and blah blah blah
Or is there a different reason, you know, because I again I don't yet know but but i'm there's a trigger here
I need to get curious
I think if we did a better job of
asking more questions
As opposed to making more statements as leaders
That right there is another one of those little statements that would just dramatically up level
Your leadership, but as leaders you have to be able to do that
So it's a little bit of a nightmare I think
You know people are trying to get their leadership, but as leaders, it's so scary to ask questions because the minute you ask a question
You're admitting you don't know the answer
You know, that's huge and that is a fear thing that we have to overcome because you know truth is
Honestly asking a question doesn't mean you don't know the answer but it does mean your sense here
You brought it up though, you know because
How do we step into that scott and just kidding? We're not going to answer that right?
at GBT, you can also ask how to explore those types of things.
The curiosity factor is huge.
Shout out to Tom Fox, who was on our show this week.
And that was one of his top three resources was making sure to remain to
be curious.
Also fellow Texan, go Texans today.
Um, and go count.
I literally have a note on my desk that lives on my desk.
I love that.
That's fantastic.
I, those types of notes are so helpful.
Um, thank you for being here, Scott.
Uh, those of you listening in down below the show, you're going to see the action
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You can also Google him, of course.
And then down below the action steps that exists there, everything from his
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I'm sure he'd be excited to have you on a show if you qualify for that.
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So you can check that out down below the action steps.
We'll also have a list of all of the resources that we talked about.
So you can dive in and, and, uh, explore all these opportunities at different
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life, if it's adding to the benefit and the productivity of your life.
And we look forward to seeing you guys on the next episode of vision pros live.
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