1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,280 Where are you from? 2 00:00:02,280 --> 00:00:06,440 So I was born in Houston, spent my formative years in the megalopolis and 3 00:00:06,820 --> 00:00:08,400 cultural center of central Texas. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,280 Brian college station practice law in Houston for 40 years. 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,720 And a couple of years ago, I moved out to the hill country. 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,800 So other than four years of college up North, I'm a native Texan. 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,040 So you're somewhat Texan. 8 00:00:21,060 --> 00:00:21,360 Yeah. 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,440 The native Texan, of course, uh, born and raised in San Antonio myself. 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:31,840 Um, so this is, uh, this is the place to be for all those, all you listening in. 11 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,840 You probably already have your bags packed to move here. 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,760 Um, we're like the fastest growing state right now. 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:42,480 Um, and it is, it is a never ending construction scene, um, as well at this 14 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:43,920 time, if you're on our highways. 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,440 Um, so how do you guys, how are you guys doing with the construction out there 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:48,880 in Kerrville? 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,000 I gotta ask, cause everywhere else, it's just constant motion. 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:59,520 Over the past 15 years, Kerrville has had between 0.9% and 1.1% growth. 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,520 So all of the growth you hear about in the great state of Texas has not reached 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:05,920 Kerrville. 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:07,800 Wow. 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:08,920 That is interesting. 23 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Cause Kerrville is beautiful. 24 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,240 Kerrville is beautiful. 25 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:18,720 It has less population than it had 20 years ago, but the reason there's no 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:24,520 construction is the hilly nature of the hill country that the part of the hill 27 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,840 country you live in is relatively less hilly and out here. 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,320 Yeah. 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:35,200 And out here, uh, you can certainly build a house, but it's going to be almost 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:41,400 bespoke construction and it's very hard to build large tracks of affordable 31 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:46,640 housing, whether those be apartments or, uh, relatively inexpensive homes and by 32 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,480 relatively inexpensive, I mean, $250,000 for the home. 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:56,280 So, uh, we haven't experienced the tremendous growth that the rest of the 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,960 state has, and it's even more coupled with two things. 35 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:02,360 One is Kerrville itself. 36 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,040 I would not say it's progressive. 37 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:10,480 It's less right, but Kerr county is extraordinarily right. 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,880 And that may be because the demographics of our County is, let me get this right. 39 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:16,720 Let me get this right. 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:23,520 38% or 65 or older, and they don't want change, right? 41 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,400 Uh, they don't want any new businesses. 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:26,600 They don't want any new people. 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,480 They don't want any new stuff. 44 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,920 Oh, uh, it's an interesting dynamic to see the County push back on growth and 45 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:41,840 the city say we need some growth so we can sustain our, I think 22,000 population 46 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:42,120 base. 47 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,120 Yeah. 48 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,120 Uh, it's, you know, it's interesting. 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:50,040 You get the opportunity to build, uh, communities selectively. 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,560 It's, it's not, uh, that's, you know, neither here nor there. 51 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,040 And my opinion of like what's right or wrong, but it is a beautiful place. 52 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,160 And I will say it's one of my favorite Starbucks. 53 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,880 There is the, I've got a Starbucks right on the river, right on the outside there. 54 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,760 And being, I did a podcast out there once, uh, I'm going to just sit in right 55 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:08,680 there by the river. 56 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,400 They're one of my interviews and it was a peaceful, beautiful environment to be in. 57 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,880 So those of you tuning in, Tom Fox has the compliance podcast network. 58 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,960 He's an experienced podcaster, also experience in, um, in all aspects of 59 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,680 compliance and, um, there's some legal topics we might dive into as well. 60 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:34,360 The beautiful thing about podcasting is it's such a new industry, um, that there's 61 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:39,520 a lot of opportunity for being able to, to dive into it and get into this game 62 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,280 without worrying about all the red tape that exists with so many other types of 63 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:43,880 businesses. 64 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,320 Like if you're going to create, um, buy a pharma company, or if you're going to 65 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,960 create a law firm and office, you need, you need accolades for that. 66 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,320 You need licenses for that. 67 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,600 Um, in the world of podcasting, it's kind of an, it's kind of a wild, wild west 68 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:58,040 right now. 69 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,840 You can just get into the game yet. 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,920 There are still all sorts of challenges. 71 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,600 There's risks, there's threats, there's, there's weaknesses, there's opportunities 72 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,440 and strengths, of course, that you can lean on, but we'll be, we'll be diving 73 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,840 into that before we dive into that topic too much. 74 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,920 Um, you've been around the block, Tom, you've, you've done a few things, um, in 75 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,800 over the last couple of decades at least. 76 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:24,720 So, uh, I honor that and I know there's a tremendous amount of wisdom that came 77 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,880 from all the years of study. 78 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:32,200 What three resources would you recommend for other visionary leaders out there? 79 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:40,080 Well, number one is your colleagues and your colleagues can be people you met 80 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,720 meet on podcasts, just like you and I are meeting. 81 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,360 It doesn't mean we're homogeneous. 82 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:51,120 It means that our diversity can make us all better and your views on leadership 83 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,800 may be different than mine, but guess what? 84 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:54,960 Mine aren't the only views. 85 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:02,640 And so, uh, I can learn in that method too, is to have some mentors. 86 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:09,240 I, uh, I'm a lawyer by professional background and the three most difficult 87 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,480 people I work for in my professional career, I learned the most from. 88 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:20,400 They were hard demanding people who I wouldn't say that demanded perfection, 89 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,360 but they demanded my best. 90 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,200 And I may have had some questionable adjectives for them. 91 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:35,400 I was younger, but now I see that because they forced me to do things that I didn't 92 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,880 want to, that I became a much better lawyer. 93 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:38,600 For that. 94 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,680 And then the last thing is to be, and I am endlessly curious. 95 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,000 I never can stop learning. 96 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,080 I was a voracious reader as a child. 97 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,920 I continued that. 98 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:57,200 And now I consume information largely you're interviewing other people. 99 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,040 And I spend four to six hours a day interviewing people for podcasts. 100 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,920 And it's not that I can see around corners, but I'm talking to people 101 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,400 who can, or I'm talking to people and I can connect the dots as I'm 102 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,640 talking to all of them. 103 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:20,000 So, uh, endlessly curious or endless curiosity has served me as well as anything. 104 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:21,880 I love that. 105 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Did you say you do four to six hours of interviews per day? 106 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:26,240 Yes. 107 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:27,760 That's incredible. 108 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,200 Um, that is truly incredible. 109 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,560 Those of you listening, you can start in your podcasts. 110 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,800 You can do one per month, you know, you can do one per week. 111 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,680 I did a stint where I was doing the four to six interviews per day. 112 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,680 Um, and it was an amazing experience. 113 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,200 Like it was, it was super eyeopening. 114 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,920 And I, I want to honor the fact that like that takes some tremendous 115 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:56,640 strength and power and, and it takes a lot of, um, a lot of exercising 116 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:59,600 to get the mental fortitude to get to the point where you can do that. 117 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,160 I also noticed that I was doing a lot of interviews. 118 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,320 I was doing a lot of interviews with other people and I was doing a lot of 119 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,360 interviews with other people, but I would say, I will never forget that. 120 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,280 I also noticed that my own experience, I would have these amazing discussions 121 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,480 and the discussion I had in the morning, I remembered it would be like the most 122 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,560 powerful wine I'd in the day and I would know that I had a powerful experience, 123 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,720 but I couldn't remember who it was. 124 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,600 And I would go look up the name and I couldn't remember the name. 125 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,040 And then I would go watch the video and I would go, Oh, I don't 126 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,880 know why I'm not able to dive in at that level. 127 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,760 So, um, it's, it is, that is amazing. 128 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,280 Four to six per day. 129 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,560 How many episodes are you up to? 130 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:50,880 Uh, I probably done 5,000 podcasts, 5,000 podcasts. 131 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,760 How many years since 2012? 132 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,200 Since I have, um, I don't know. 133 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,280 Probably 70 ongoing. 134 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,400 I can't wait to dive in more on that. 135 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,880 We're going to dive into that after the break. 136 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,240 Um, I want to, I want to make sure to honor the three resources that you 137 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,560 just laid out there for us. 138 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,840 Um, again, those of you listening in, if, if you're not aware of the power of the 139 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,560 elder, this can be somebody who's one year older than you, this can be somebody 140 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:18,440 who's decades ahead. 141 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,240 Um, it's, it's just, just so much power and digging into what they say. 142 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,800 We have a guide on mentors and how to find great mentors that I'll be 143 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,560 attaching to the show notes. 144 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,160 Um, I'm absolutely a huge fan of mentors. 145 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,480 I loved what you added to that, Tom, um, being willing and able to work with 146 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,240 people who want, who demand our best, who want us to show up and do well, 147 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,080 who are looking for excellence. 148 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:44,360 Hopefully we all are. 149 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,800 And then there's the colleagues aspect. 150 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,200 There's going to be different perspectives, but this curiosity one 151 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,680 really hit me strengths finder 2.0. 152 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:54,280 My number one strength personally is learner. 153 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,400 And as a learner, so was my first wife's. 154 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,840 She was also a learner hers talked about school and curriculum. 155 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:01,920 Mine did not. 156 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,000 It said, you were the kid who always asked why, um, that curiosity factor 157 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,120 is a big piece of why I do podcasts as well. 158 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,280 If you find that you're a curious person, this is one of the podcasts, one of the 159 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,800 coolest experiences to explore the minds and hearts of other people and get to 160 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,120 learn from their experiences. 161 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,200 So, um, again, I love that that's the third resource that you mentioned. 162 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,320 Um, anything else you'd like to add before we go to the break? 163 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,040 Uh, no, let's go to break and then we'll come back. 164 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:33,560 That's perfect. 165 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:34,000 Mr. 166 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,160 Efficient as well. 167 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:35,640 I love it. 168 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,560 We'll see you guys on the other side. 169 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,640 All right. 170 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,120 Welcome in to vision pros live with Jackson Callum. 171 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,200 I'm your show host. 172 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,240 We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs and guest leaders who are 173 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:58,200 building fantastic visions out there. 174 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,480 Hey, what's up everybody. 175 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,600 Welcome into another episode of vision pros live. 176 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,320 I'm your show host, Jackson Callum, founder and CEO of first class business. 177 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,240 And I am super excited to have Tom Fox on stage today. 178 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,120 We're going to be talking all things podcasts with you guys. 179 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,320 We're going to do our best to dive deep into certain topics, which will limit the time. 180 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,800 But we'll also try to explore as many things as possible to help you on your 181 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:25,480 route to maybe becoming a podcast guest or becoming a podcast host yourself right now. 182 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,120 There's such a great, such a great season of life and time to be launching a 183 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,600 podcast and getting into it. 184 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,560 If you've had that inkling, listen up. 185 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:36,800 We'll talk about the goods, the bads and the uglies as well. 186 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,920 I tend to gravitate towards the uglies. 187 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:39,360 Why? 188 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,560 Because there's already a bunch of people out there and on the internet trying to 189 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:44,080 convince you to go on the podcasts. 190 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,360 So I'd rather talk about the things that might get overlooked and hold you back as 191 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,120 you try to build something successful for yourself. 192 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,160 So before I bring Tom back on board, another great podcast to highlight is Dave 193 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,360 Morrow's podcast, hard to kill. 194 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,320 You can go to hardtokill.org and see what we're up to with Dave. 195 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:05,680 Dave's helping a hundred thousand veterans lose 2 million pounds collectively. 196 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,880 He's got an award winning podcast. 197 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,720 And the veteran space, a phenomenal leader as well. 198 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,560 In fact, he's opened his program up beyond helping just veterans. 199 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:17,960 He's now got a civilian community as well. 200 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:23,680 He's the first personal trainer health professional to get me to stop 201 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:26,000 being skinny fat in eight years. 202 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,640 I've met a lot of awesome professionals. 203 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,160 I don't know how he does it, but Dave's able to inspire people to look good, 204 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,560 feel good and go and do good. 205 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:38,640 I spent an honor to work with him for the last six months. 206 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,120 And again, I highly recommend checking out his podcast. 207 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,840 And if you're a military person, you'll for sure benefit from, from what he's 208 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,840 doing now, he's helping people and he always needs more warriors to help lift 209 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,280 the others who also need such support. 210 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,560 Well, one of the things that Dave stands for and stands really stands against is 211 00:11:56,560 --> 00:12:00,240 the fact that the suicide rates are so high amongst veterans right now. 212 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,400 And a big part of that, his theory, a lot of people are saying, well, 213 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,720 Dave's theory, a lot of people's theories on this study show that when they get 214 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,200 home from their military experience, they fall out of line with the routines that 215 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,800 exist and they have unhealthy routines related to exercise too. 216 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,360 And you end up hurting your body more than helping it, which is why he's there 217 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,600 to help people stay on track as much as possible. 218 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,160 I could talk all day about Dave and what he's done for the sake of honoring Tom. 219 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,040 I'm going to keep moving though. 220 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,760 The next one is Obrador de la Hacia de Trabajo para Latinos. 221 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,760 That's opportunities for work for Latinos. 222 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,320 It's our virtual assistant program where we help these, how we help Latinos, 223 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:41,520 Filipinos and Indians become virtual assistants, digital ambassadors, as we 224 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,400 call them, we do not believe in VA relationships. 225 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,320 I call that virtual abuse. 226 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:50,680 It is really sad how many entrepreneurs or solopreneurs hire somebody and never 227 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:53,680 take interest in who they are or their personal development and growth. 228 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,600 We take personal development growth extremely seriously. 229 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,800 We're looking for Latino leaders who would want to be on this podcast. 230 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:06,480 That's with my Spanish team, inspiring other Spanish speakers to take a little 231 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,960 bit of hope and faith and action themselves to consider that, you know what? 232 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,640 Maybe there are job opportunities out there. 233 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,400 These are people who don't know about LinkedIn. 234 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:14,520 They've never heard of it. 235 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,840 They don't know about Canva Upwork Fiverr. 236 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,080 They've never read Rich Dad Poor Dad. 237 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:21,960 They've never read Think and Grow Rich. 238 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,440 There's a whole, there's millions, possibly billions of people out there who could 239 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:27,880 benefit from this type of a program. 240 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,880 And we hope that you consider joining us on this or launching something to help 241 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,520 us bridge the economic gap to North America, South America, and the rest of the world. 242 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:37,280 And there's the water project. 243 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,080 I'm feeling a little bit thirsty right now, but the real reason why I focus on 244 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,000 this is because I've never truly been thirsty in my life. 245 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,680 I don't have any affiliation with the water project. 246 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,080 I just contribute to it and love what they stand for. 247 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,280 I see these kids getting water from sources that are three to five miles from 248 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,200 their house or from their school. 249 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,520 They have to leave school to do this. 250 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,400 Or parents have to leave work. 251 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,040 You can imagine the disruption that would cause with your own ability to try to 252 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,160 provide for your family. 253 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,320 And these kids celebrate water like my kids celebrate Christmas Day. 254 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,240 We have the same opportunity to give back to them by providing $5 or $20 in contributions. 255 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,000 What I love about what they do is they allow you to pick the community that you get 256 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,120 involved with and you actually get to see that project come to fruition, whether they 257 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,000 build what's called a borehole well or a sand dam, the transparency that the water 258 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,880 project has created is something that to me is second to none. 259 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,080 It's inspiring. 260 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,360 I hope that you feel inspired to at least talk about this with friends and family. 261 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,960 And if you know of a cause that you'd rather see us talk about and support, it's 262 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,080 not a competition, there's 8 billion people to help in this world. 263 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,160 And my hope is that you will let us know in the comments what causes you support. 264 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,200 I'll do some research on that as well. 265 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,400 We'll try to get it out there. 266 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,240 It's one of the privileges, great privileges of rocking this microphone is if I'm going 267 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,520 to be doing this for a living and I'm also going to do everything I can to help out 268 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,120 people who don't have the same privilege. 269 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,040 So join me on that if you will. 270 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,320 And without further ado, let's improve your lives with an interview with Tom Fox on 271 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,240 how to get into this whole podcasting world and have a great experience. 272 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,320 So Tom, welcome back to Vision Pros Live. 273 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,000 Thanks for joining me. 274 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:12,440 Thanks, Jackson. 275 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,120 Absolutely. 276 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,160 So I'm going to dive in quick and dirty on this 2012. 277 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,160 You got into the podcasting game. 278 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,520 What started that? 279 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,360 Did you see a podcast? 280 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:24,520 How did you hear about it? 281 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,040 Let's hear that beginning story. 282 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:35,320 So in 2010, I started my consulting firm, basically my own law practice, and I was 283 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,680 laid up due to an accident and I couldn't leave the house or the only time I could 284 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,320 leave the house was to go to physical therapy and I had no income. 285 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:51,440 And I had no income, so I decided that whatever I did to market, it had to be at 286 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,360 no cost to me. 287 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,680 And at that point in my life, I didn't know what Twitter was. 288 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:56,960 I didn't know what LinkedIn was. 289 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:02,560 I had heard of Facebook and so I started exploring social media tweets. 290 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:08,280 I tell people actually Twitter made me probably they wouldn't believe that if 291 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,600 they saw today's Twitter, but back then it really was a B2B network and tool. 292 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,240 And so I started with Twitter that led to blogging. 293 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,240 I'd always written a lot as a lawyer, so I started blogging and podcasting was 294 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,640 just a natural extension of the blogging was really the next step. 295 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,160 Wow. 296 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:27,640 Okay. 297 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,680 So, and on Twitter you have 108,000 followers. 298 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,880 So in fact, yeah, 108,001. 299 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,520 So got that, got that followed on there. 300 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,360 And I, I really do like Twitter. 301 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,680 It's one of those platforms that is underrated and often misunderstood. 302 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,640 I guess we should call it X now, not Twitter, but it's a platform that is so 303 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,480 different in terms of strategy and how to use it than all the other platforms 304 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:56,600 that exist out there. 305 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,920 We'll reserve that strategy for later. 306 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,840 I know Alex from Ozzie has some great content on how to maximize Twitter as well. 307 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,080 So you got into the podcasting world. 308 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:07,440 What was that like? 309 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,560 How did the upload process work? 310 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,120 What platform did you use back then? 311 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,080 Um, it was about as simple as straightforward as it could be. 312 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:17,360 I'm a Mac guy. 313 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:21,200 So garage band was preloaded on my podcast. 314 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,440 I was on WordPress to blog. 315 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,880 And so I simply, uh, got a Libsyn account, loaded it up, uh, put the 316 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,440 podcast into Libsyn published it on the traditional podcast platforms, 317 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,880 put it on WordPress and I was rocking and rolling in about six hours. 318 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:38,560 Six hours. 319 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:40,440 That's awesome. 320 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,120 And that's pretty similar to today. 321 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,960 The podcasting world's not that hard. 322 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,840 People complicate it, especially providers. 323 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,280 We have a challenge in that there's a quote. 324 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:53,880 You've probably heard it, Tom. 325 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,440 When you start selling a hammer, everything looks like a nail. 326 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,280 Um, and so we get all these, these people out there that are promoting 327 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,000 podcast publication to get your studios and make sure you do it right. 328 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,360 And, uh, you know, that ended up making people second guess themselves. 329 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,080 I guess I can pick on myself there too. 330 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,320 I like to talk about the uglies of it as well and talk about what's, 331 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,280 what challenges exist. 332 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,480 But, um, when I launched my podcast, I just went live on Facebook 333 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,120 and I called it a podcast. 334 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,920 My team goes, that's not a podcast, Jackson. 335 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,720 I said, it's my podcast. 336 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,120 And they said, well, you have to have this and this. 337 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,200 I said, I don't not on my podcast. 338 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,760 Um, and like, we have to have the RSS feed. 339 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,880 Look, look, look, look, if you want to build all that awesome. 340 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,480 But I'm going to go live again tomorrow and I'm going to call it a podcast. 341 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,840 So, um, Tom, would you, do you agree with the philosophy? 342 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,600 Is that wild and dangerous? 343 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,000 Um, how should, if you were to start today, what would you do? 344 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:55,720 Exactly what I did before. 345 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:58,760 It works. 346 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,560 That's no here. 347 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,960 Here, let me, let me check, take your phrase ugly. 348 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,200 There's not, in my opinion, there's nothing, nothing ugly in podcasting. 349 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:14,040 I'm often asked what lessons did you learn or what mistakes did you learn? 350 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:19,320 Make like with the exception of one mistake that every podcaster has made. 351 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,600 I've never made a mistake. 352 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:21,880 I've grown. 353 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,000 Everything that I have done has led to where I am today. 354 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,080 And it's been a learning opportunity. 355 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,520 It's been a growth opportunity. 356 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,520 Now that one mistake is fortunately when you do it, you'd never do it again. 357 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,480 And that of course is don't hit the record button. 358 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,680 I've made that mistake and everybody's made that mistake. 359 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,760 And once you make it, guess what? 360 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,120 You, I, one time, one time flew to Boston to interview a Harvard professor at a 361 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,040 hour and a half interview is fabulous. 362 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:56,000 And I looked down and I went, Oh, the red light's not on. 363 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,040 I can't turn it off. 364 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,120 So yeah, I always hit the record button. 365 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,600 Other than that, it's just been growth. 366 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,000 I mean, I cringe when I look at some of those early podcasts. 367 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:06,880 Yeah. 368 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,680 I cringe the way I look, I cringe the way I sounded, but it didn't matter. 369 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:19,360 People were in interested in what I had to say because the sub they were 370 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:20,560 interested in the subject matter. 371 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,560 I appreciate the challenge on the ugly reality. 372 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:25,160 All right. 373 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,120 That it may not exist from your paradigm. 374 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:29,720 I'm also going to highlight there's some naivety to that though. 375 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,960 And here's why I would say that one, I would never get in a Lamborghini 376 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,600 that doesn't have a break and I would never fly a plane that 377 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,640 doesn't have landing gear. 378 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,040 That's just me. 379 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,360 There are some potential ugly outcomes with that. 380 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,800 Billy McFarland is the latest celebrity story in relation to 381 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,480 doing things irresponsibly. 382 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,480 The irony is his bounce back story is almost proving my concept wrong at this 383 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:04,200 point, but this is the man who planned the fire festival and who went to prison 384 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,320 because he wasn't able to fulfill on the things that he was promising. 385 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,280 And that the bounce back irony right now, I'll own it. 386 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,240 I'll recognize it. 387 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,920 That's probably going to make him that much more successful now that he's 388 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,040 actually planning on doing fire festival again, and he's already sold out the 389 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,520 event yet again, somehow, because people are crazy. 390 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,160 But that's the rare exception to the rule. 391 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:34,880 Most of the stories of people who launch things irresponsibly end up in prison 392 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,360 permanently or end up dying or end up being killed. 393 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,480 And I think there's a, there's a real reality associated with that. 394 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,160 With podcasting, if you're launching a podcast for the sake of making money, or 395 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,640 you're launching a podcast with the end goal that it's going to make you rich and 396 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:58,000 famous again, kind of sake of making money side, you could very well end up hurting 397 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,440 all of your existing relationships, hurting your own life and putting 398 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,240 yourself in real financial jeopardy. 399 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,400 And it's, it's not fun as somebody who does, who's a consultant, but 400 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,720 to meet people who launched a book, for instance, and are $300,000 in debt in the 401 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,760 hole, and they've got a book where they've claimed their national bestseller 402 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,160 and they've got two reviews on, on Amazon. 403 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,600 And you're like, everybody sees that. 404 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,840 I mean, everybody knows that and now they have nowhere to go. 405 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:34,080 So the, the challenge of, you know, can we do this without a book? 406 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,560 Sure. But what would you say about some of those stories where people have been 407 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,440 killed or gone to prison for standing up for something or doing something without 408 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,520 the responsible ethics of, of compliance in place, your compliance guy? 409 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,000 I'm curious. 410 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:54,360 So, uh, if you start something and you do something for a fraudulent reason and you 411 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:58,160 hurt people, whether financially, emotionally, psychologically, physically, 412 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:03,960 you should, you should, you should, you should, you should, you should, you should 413 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,040 pay for those. 414 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:13,080 But Tom Watson, the first president of IBM said, I want to hire the guy who's failed. 415 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:14,280 Yeah. 416 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,280 And they're going to come back faster and better if they failed. 417 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,040 Right. 418 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,640 Let me go back to the Lamborghini. 419 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,560 You know, the reason there's a break in the Lamborghini, it's so you can drive fast. 420 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:28,400 Yeah. 421 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,120 That's why you have compliance. 422 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:35,400 So you can do business quickly and efficiently yet stay on the right side of 423 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:35,920 the law. 424 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,120 So no, if there's no break, you can't drive fast. 425 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,640 And that's what compliance is. 426 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,240 Huge. 427 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,240 I love that. 428 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,520 It's super important. 429 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,560 I'm going to go back to what you said about fraudulent. 430 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,160 I think the sad reality is most people don't have an intent to be fraudulent. 431 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,080 I believe that I don't think their goal is to hurt people. 432 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,920 You know, is to go into there are certainly the narcissists that are out there. 433 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:06,880 But most people go into those situations having been hooked, baited and switched 434 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,080 by somebody else who gets them into it. 435 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,160 And yeah, they got a little bit of a victim mentality, perhaps. 436 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,040 You know, they've got a little bit of of. 437 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,120 Naivety to what they're doing, but they're in to me lies the challenges. 438 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,120 How many times I've seen people that were good adults, pretty responsible, 439 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:30,920 understood things about life, but they end up selling the farm, you know, and 440 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,040 giving everything away when they're trying to when they're trying to launch 441 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,560 something like a podcast. 442 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,160 But maybe it's not ugly after all. 443 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:41,560 I don't know. 444 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,640 I'm just trying to have I'm having a hard time seeing how there's no ugly in 445 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,920 relation to it because of the negative experiences, seeing people go through. 446 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,840 The fraud Pentagon tells us that fraud occurs when there's pressure 447 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,760 rationalization and opportunity. 448 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,480 So if you start out somewhere, and I saw a lot of lawyers all pray to this, they 449 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,080 live beyond their means, they start doing something stupid like stealing clients 450 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,440 money, and then they rationalize. 451 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,960 Well, I earned it. 452 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:10,760 I deserve it. 453 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,280 And when you have those three things in common, then people move from. 454 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,280 Oh, I made a mistake to, oh, I'm now engaging in illegal conduct. 455 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,560 And it's sure a slippery slope, but, um, you know, hopefully the ethics, the 456 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,360 under ethical underpinnings that we all have will keep us from doing that. 457 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,680 But we have to be ever vigilant. 458 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,200 Which is exactly why I wouldn't, I just cannot go towards that. 459 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,600 There's no ugly because I don't have that hope for all people, right? 460 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,400 I have the hope for, I want to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I 461 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,840 just know with what I've seen that not everybody's going to align with that. 462 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,360 You said pressure though, rationality. 463 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:56,200 And what was the other one? 464 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,920 Pressure, rationalization and opportunity. 465 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,440 And so you mentioned the guy who founded the fire festival or fry festival. 466 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,160 I remember when that documentary came out, I asked my then teenage 467 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:16,200 daughter the following, do you think he intended he started out in 468 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,240 intentionally to create fraud or just got away from it? 469 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,960 He had something and, and she said, I don't know, dad, and I watch it and I don't 470 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,160 know, and I don't know if he just literally got away from him. 471 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,520 His vision was too big. 472 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,160 He couldn't execute on his vision. 473 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,240 And then it, you know, all went where it went. 474 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,160 And he paid his dues to society for that as we measure those in the prison sentence. 475 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,040 So he should be able to move forward. 476 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,080 It's up to me to make sure that he's not going to be able to 477 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,280 me or you, what are the trust that number two is going to go off? 478 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,800 I personally would want to see a little evidence. 479 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,480 He could pull it off, but there may be people who are willing to take 480 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,080 more risk because they see other benefits. 481 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:00,840 Absolutely. 482 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,080 And so those of you, how does this relate to your podcasts that are out there? 483 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,680 I think the, you know, some of the big components of that is what is your goal? 484 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,080 Why are you launching what you're launching? 485 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,080 Who's the audience that you're serving? 486 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,400 Do you feel a sense of pressure, right? 487 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,400 That a need to promise certain things. 488 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,840 And if you do, can you make sure to level that with proper expectations? 489 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,920 Elon Musk is the exact opposite of the scenario we're talking about. 490 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,080 He sold a car from stage that wouldn't exist for two to three years. 491 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,600 And 180,000 very smart people put a thousand dollars on that car, even though 492 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,040 they knew they might not ever get the car, he became one of the greatest 493 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,320 visionaries of all time to that experience. 494 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,480 So my hope is not to uninspire anybody to say, oh my gosh, I don't want to 495 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,640 launch podcasts, this is scary. 496 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,680 My friend's life is scary. 497 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,480 There's all sorts of things and challenges that are out there in life. 498 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,560 Podcasting is actually probably one of the easiest things that you can do to 499 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,400 create opportunity for yourself out there based on what I've seen. 500 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,160 Tom, have you ever seen anything easier as far as driving distribution and 501 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:14,080 marketing and advertising and growth and being able to get, get traction for a 502 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:14,440 brand? 503 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,960 I'm curious because I don't think there's much easier. 504 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,440 So when I started my consulting practice, a woman gave me two pieces of advice 505 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,560 that were absolutely spot on. 506 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:32,440 She said, number one, it will take a minimum of six months, but really a year. 507 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,520 So you need to commit to doing this for a year. 508 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,360 Two is, and this is going to sound specific to lawyers, but it's not. 509 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,040 She said, don't be like every lawyer I know who takes in every piece of work 510 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,280 that comes in because you're a lawyer and you can do legal stuff. 511 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:54,240 If I wanted to do anti-corruption compliance work, and that was the focus 512 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,520 of my consulting practice. 513 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,440 She said, if that's what you want to do, that's great, but that's the only work 514 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,160 you should take. 515 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,080 And she was absolutely right. 516 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,080 It took me six to nine months. 517 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,920 It took me six to nine months to get up and get going. 518 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,840 And I built a worldwide consulting practice literally from my house way back 519 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,760 before we had work from home, because like I said, I couldn't leave except to 520 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,680 go to physical therapy. 521 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,400 So, um, commit to a timeframe. 522 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,560 And if, you know, don't do other stuff or extraneous stuff. 523 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:34,600 And I did that in my podcast, uh, business as well, and it paid me back in spades. 524 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:35,680 Huge. 525 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,040 I'm going to add some valuable variables to this equation and that conversation 526 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,120 of the woman who has not gotten credit yet. 527 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:43,880 Are you going to give credit? 528 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,720 Who's who's the woman? 529 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,200 Francine McKenna. 530 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,560 Francine who McKenna M C K E N N a. 531 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,320 Can a thank you, Francine, phenomenal verified advice. 532 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,680 Obviously Tom represents a great case study for that. 533 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,680 So I do agree that you can do it with the six months to one year, but I also want 534 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,200 to point out the variables that Tom had in his favor. 535 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:11,440 Tom had already practiced the law and art of the 10,000 hour rule, right? 536 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,520 He was all red. 537 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,560 He'd already gone to school. 538 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,000 He had already become a lawyer. 539 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,680 And so there was a whole background of experience that existed. 540 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,600 There was a whole background of experience that exists there. 541 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,480 And a lot of the younger market, a lot of you think you can go and do things 542 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,280 without any experience whatsoever. 543 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,320 And you end up putting yourself in a big hole in a big pickle. 544 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,200 So developing your expertise in craft, I think is an important addition for most 545 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,040 of you and some of you unicorns will be the exception of the rule. 546 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:40,840 Congratulations. 547 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,840 Welcome to, uh, I guess an easy life. 548 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:44,440 I don't know. 549 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,560 And then go ahead. 550 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:46,800 Yeah. 551 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,120 Go ahead. 552 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,760 Say about the 10,000 hour rule. 553 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,560 For sure. 554 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,520 Spot on there. 555 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,120 But here's why I was able to make it work. 556 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,720 I took an area of a law I had never practiced in or had done very little 557 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,600 practice, but the area was incredibly narrow. 558 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,080 There was one law and about five cases. 559 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:16,680 So I read the law, I read the cases and in 2010, uh, there was no formal 560 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,320 guidance from any regulator. 561 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:24,880 So I could say, Tom says this, and it was as equally valuable, equally 562 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,840 valuable as if Jackson says this. 563 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,360 And so I got my 10,000 hours in, but I got it in because I was focused on an 564 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,360 incredibly niche area that I really could master. 565 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,920 So for your audience, the entrepreneur, I'm a firm believer that whether you say 566 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,440 the riches are in the niches or go niche to go big, if you, if you focus on a 567 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,600 narrow area, you can hit exactly what you said is a key metric in my opinion, 568 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,120 10,000 hours and that you can become the expert in that area. 569 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,720 This is one of my absolute favorite conversations to debate because there 570 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,400 are, there are brilliant paths on both sides of this. 571 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,040 And if you want to champion that even further, Gary Kelly wrote a wonderful 572 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,120 book called the one thing, right? 573 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,400 Where he talks about focusing on that one thing. 574 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,200 And it's like the championship level book for those who are, who are 575 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,000 drinking the niche down Kool-Aid. 576 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,640 And I say that with respect because there's the opposite side. 577 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,880 There's the people who bring, who drink the opposite Kool-Aid, the, the go wide. 578 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,200 Right? 579 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,000 There's the Jack of all trades is master than none, but the rest of the quote is, 580 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,080 but oftentimes better than he who only does one. 581 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,400 Right. 582 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,760 So there's that, there's that side of it, but let's look at it from another perspective. 583 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,280 I like the niche down concept. 584 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,760 I like the, the one thing I understand the value of that yet as everybody kept 585 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:57,680 recommending to me to do that, I had in my mind, once, once upon a time, a PR 586 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,800 professional, a journalist told LeBron James, why don't you just shut up and 587 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:02,520 dribble LeBron? 588 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,800 She was sick of him getting involved in politics. 589 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:11,360 She was sick of him putting his, his using his public space to do 590 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,680 thing beyond dribble a ball. 591 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,000 And it was probably one of the most racist and prejudice and narrow 592 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,840 perspectives that one could possibly provide. 593 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,520 And here's a man who owns hundreds of companies and has hundreds of endorsements. 594 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,760 And then there's Richard Branson, who also owns several hundred companies. 595 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,680 And so I look at those two and I came up with a new quote. 596 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,800 I will eat, have my cake. 597 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,800 I will eat it too. 598 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,480 And I will have a conveyor belt of cakes. 599 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,520 Thank you, Richard Branson. 600 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:50,360 So the niche down concept and the process, it's absolutely one that all of you should 601 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,560 consider, you know, and I'm not saying that there's not a value to it, but it is 602 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,240 only one avenue on life. 603 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,480 And if you look at Google and you look at Amazon and you look at Pandora and you 604 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,960 look at Spotify and Instagram and Snapchat and beyond, these are all 605 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,960 multi-billion dollar companies that, and Disney do not niche down. 606 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,280 They do understand the value of clarity and focus and precision. 607 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,600 But it's, it's again, there's two different options there for you. 608 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,960 What I think is best for all of you as listeners, what my hope is take what you 609 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,640 hear from any leaders that you listen to out there and apply your own beliefs. 610 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,640 And I think that's the best option for you. 611 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,720 I think that's the best option for you. 612 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,920 So I think that you can take that option out there and apply your own vision and 613 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,360 intuition to, to making the best choice for you, knowing that if Jackson said 614 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,320 writing a book on a napkin is a stupid idea from a strategy standpoint, it's 615 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,400 probably kind of accurate, but then J.K. 616 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,000 Rowling went and turned that into a billion dollar enterprise. 617 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,600 So if you're going to get advice from somebody, you know, if you're going to 618 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,440 get advice from somebody who is doing a lot of amazing things right. 619 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,360 So I'll probably come back to you at some point, Tom, and also dive in the, 620 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,680 Hey, I'm ready to niche on this and see what you have there. 621 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,640 In terms of those you serve, you've got a, you got this compliance podcast network. 622 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,120 You've got your legal practice as well, potentially maybe retired from that, but 623 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,680 who do you serve and how do you help them? 624 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,080 And how does this network benefit? 625 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,440 Because I, I do believe in it. 626 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,840 And, and all the things that you're doing. 627 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,000 So I have two metrics and two metrics only for a successful podcast. 628 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,280 Number one, how much did I learn? 629 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,480 Number two, how much fun did I have? 630 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:38,520 That's it. 631 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,720 And that has made me as successful as I've become. 632 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,560 The reason is twofold. 633 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,080 Number one, I am truly a subject matter expert in this field. 634 00:35:52,080 --> 00:36:00,080 I've written a, my humble opinion, single best one author volume on compliance, 635 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,600 the call to compliance handbook. 636 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,520 And so if I learned something, my audience is going to learn something. 637 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,600 And guess what? 638 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,000 I always learn something. 639 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,920 But number two is equally important. 640 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,960 The fun part, they say people stay, they come for the guests and stay for the 641 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:23,160 host and I believe that wholeheartedly because when I'm having fun, people 642 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,640 can tell it in my voice and when I'm engaged, they could tell that. 643 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,240 And I don't want to say we laugh and cut up because I'm a professional 644 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:37,280 and I'm a stodgy old guy, but I can still be passionate about talking 645 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,120 about compliance or anything else. 646 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,360 And so if I'm having fun, my audience is having fun and that's it. 647 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,560 I don't take polls to see what people want to hear about. 648 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,560 I talk about what I want to talk about. 649 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,560 And that makes in my mind or an engaging podcast. 650 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,920 And it gives me the ability. 651 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,880 At some point, you're probably going to say, how do you keep being this driven? 652 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:04,840 It's because I absolutely love what I do. 653 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,640 And I get to talk to people like you all day long. 654 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,240 Sometimes it's on this side of the mic. 655 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,560 Usually it's on your side of the mic, but this is what I absolutely love. 656 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,000 So I'm up very, very, very, very early in the morning and I work very, 657 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,440 very, very late at night. 658 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,600 Part of it is driven. 659 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,920 Part of it is I'm an entrepreneur finally. 660 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,600 And part of it is I absolutely love doing this. 661 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,840 So, um, it all kind of comes together for me. 662 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,200 I love that. 663 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,360 And I think that's one of the big keys is when you, when you love what you do, 664 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,880 there's that saying that I actually not a big fan of the same, the one that says 665 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,120 when you love what you do, you won't work a single day. 666 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,480 And you love what you do, you won't work a single day in your life. 667 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,320 And, and I get that you can do that, but I love what I do. 668 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,360 So I work at it. 669 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,200 Right. 670 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,880 And I just learned to value the virtue of work for what it is. 671 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,280 Um, but your, your path, you just taught me something super golden. 672 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,480 Those of you who are experienced in the podcast world, um, most of us are failing 673 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,720 to, to where we're in our first attempt in learning, right? 674 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,680 Use that fail word to pull yourself forward. 675 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,920 Um, I think that's a positive opportunity to continue to grow. 676 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,840 Um, Tom, you said come, they come for the guest, the audience comes for the 677 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,720 guest and they stay for the host. 678 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,760 And I know that as I heard that I was like, I can't wait to talk to my team 679 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,200 about making sure that we're doing everything we can to honor the promotion 680 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,600 of the guests who comes on our show. 681 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,040 Um, you know, we, we do a good job of it. 682 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,120 We work hard to do that, but there's just something about the way that you, you 683 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,000 said that that hit me at a new level and made me realize I want to spend, you 684 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,280 know, in the next couple of hours of my life optimizing how do we honor these 685 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,800 guests? 686 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,760 Um, so thank you for, for being willing to share that the driven and the 687 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,720 entrepreneur stuff. 688 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,800 I mean, it, it's funny. 689 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,000 People come, you know, people don't understand why we love to do what we do. 690 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,040 Um, right. And they have a hard time fathering that cause they're, they're, they're existing life. 691 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:14,080 But honestly, visionaries, most of my days feel like when I wake up and engage in my 692 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:19,440 team, it feels like my birthday almost every day that I get involved with my team. 693 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,640 And even though they're virtual and I can't give them a hug and Monday in fact, 694 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,200 we're talking, I was like, guys, I've never said this and y'all don't know this 695 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,240 cause you've never been with me. 696 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:32,600 But if we had a real like physical office, when I walked in, I would give 697 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,240 everybody a massive hug. 698 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,880 Um, like, like every single day when we kick off, because that's just kind of 699 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,480 like my personality and who I am. 700 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,640 It is awesome to have team members that support that. 701 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,040 It's awesome to have guests who bring that type of vibe to you. 702 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,920 It makes it very easy to want to get up in the mornings and to have the drive to 703 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,640 go and do good. 704 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,520 So your, your network, I love to hear more about it. 705 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,880 What, what is the compliance podcast network and how do we get involved? 706 00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,400 Sure. 707 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,560 So the compliance podcast network is legal and regulatory compliance. 708 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:08,720 When I had the idea to start it, there was no networking compliance and there's 709 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,480 still no network and compliance. 710 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,720 And so I was the first mover. 711 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,200 Uh, what happened was it blew up during the pandemic because prior to the 712 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,360 pandemic, almost all marketing in compliance was done in person. 713 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,720 Traceos conferences, breakfast round tables, that sort of stuff. 714 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:25,840 And that all went away. 715 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,360 And in 2020, people needed an outlet and they had money. 716 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,160 So my little network blew up and I've been riding that wave since then, but, um, 717 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,320 it's really about what I want to explore. 718 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,760 So star wars and compliance, Star Trek and compliance, Shakespeare and compliance, 719 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,360 Sherlock Holmes and compliance, Winnie the Pooh and compliance, James 720 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,560 Joyce, Ulysses and compliance, um, sports and compliance, women and compliance. 721 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,920 Sports and compliance, women and compliance, compliance, round tables, 722 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,800 daily compliance, weekly compliance, uh, books about compliance. 723 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,160 All of those things are a part of the network because they're things I love. 724 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,020 And right now I'm going through the entire A Conan Doyle, 725 00:41:10,020 --> 00:41:12,680 oeuvre of 56 short stories. 726 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,200 Got the novels and then I'm probably going to do the movies. 727 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,760 Um, and it's an excuse to reread everything. 728 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:22,640 Every summer I do Star Trek, the original series, leadership lessons 729 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,240 from Star Trek, which I call trekking through compliance. 730 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:29,200 And as my wife said, this is really just an excuse to rewatch every episode. 731 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:29,520 Isn't it? 732 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,920 I'm like, yeah, really. 733 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,520 So, you know, uh, and people love that. 734 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,560 It's just storytelling. 735 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,080 You know, what are the lessons from the MCU and compliance? 736 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,000 I've, I've done that. 737 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,760 Um, what are the lessons from Oscar winning movies? 738 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,480 I'm doing a presidential leadership, uh, series for the business executive. 739 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,600 Uh, and it's just ways to shake and bake and slice and dice compliance 740 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,760 that, uh, are interesting and interest people. 741 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,520 And most importantly, they interest me. 742 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,560 Oh, I love that. 743 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,520 That's Gary V a long time ago. 744 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,480 I heard him talk about how if somebody wants to have success within like 120 days, 745 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,960 I remember what, what I think he said a hundred days, um, go out. 746 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,120 If you live in New York, go to first street and interview the 747 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,560 three people, um, I get it. 748 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,760 They're just walking by just doing it. 749 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,440 And then the next day go to second street and do the same thing and go to third. 750 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,600 Just work your way up. 751 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,400 Uh, I was like, you'd have an incredibly successful show and podcast and 752 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,440 opportunities coming at you from every which direction. 753 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,840 If you just stick to it and be consistent with that. 754 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,400 And so the underlying theme that Tom's talking about, I'm alluding to, and 755 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,920 that Gary also hit straight on the head is if you just, if you just go for it, 756 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,440 you know what you have in your life, what you, what you love. 757 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:48,880 I love that. 758 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,760 I love that you centered around fun as well. 759 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,880 That's obviously a big value and virtue for you. 760 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,560 Um, and those of you listening in, maybe you're not into fun that much. 761 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,640 Um, you know, it's like, well, who could, I, I'm a fun guy, kind of, 762 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,760 but I'm a healer. 763 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,240 That's what I do. 764 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,160 That's, that's what I gravitate towards is healing. 765 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:10,960 I tend to be more reverent. 766 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,240 And so there's people who've got a lot of fun. 767 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,200 Some of them combine faith and fun. 768 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,280 Some of them combine faith and like meditation. 769 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,000 And so whatever makes you feel good, right? 770 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,000 Whatever helps you maximize how much you value life. 771 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,000 Lean into that as a core piece of, of why you would get into podcasting. 772 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,200 And that will likely inspire you to head new directions. 773 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,600 I love how you broke down compliance and all those different categories 774 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,080 related to things that you're doing. 775 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,400 I just don't, I don't think we hear about enough. 776 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,400 And so then we don't get, give ourselves permission to do that. 777 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,480 Um, and you kind of, you, you, you create that inspiration for us, Tom. 778 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,880 So again, I really appreciate the wisdom on it. 779 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,360 We're going to dive into my favorite question of all time. 780 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,360 Um, and that is if this was the very last chance you had to speak today, 781 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,920 at all ever, what powerful life would you have? 782 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:06,920 What would you have? 783 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:12,360 Like at all ever what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn from your experience? 784 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,440 Just do it. 785 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,760 Whatever it is, whatever you want to do, just do it. 786 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:25,400 If you want to study insects because that's your passion, just do that. 787 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,800 Um, I was a lawyer for a long time doing a lot of things I didn't enjoy. 788 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:36,480 And, um, I finally found a passion around being a lawyer in the world of 789 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,680 anti-corruption and anti-bribery. 790 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,560 And that's a worldwide scourge. 791 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,840 $3 trillion is lost to the world's income annually from theft 792 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:47,960 through bribery and corruption. 793 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,360 I am a part of that fight. 794 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,720 I'm not on the front lines. 795 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,240 I'm not a lawyer or excuse me. 796 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:57,160 I'm not a legislator passing a bill. 797 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,000 I'm not a prosecutor prosecuting people who've engaged in illegal acts, but every 798 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,640 day, everything I do pushes the ball forward just a little bit. 799 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,120 And I get to revel in that. 800 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,880 And one of the nicknames I have is the compliance evangelist because I see 801 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,320 compliance as the good news for corporations to fight bribery and corruption. 802 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,600 And I do it through the podcast format. 803 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,720 Like I said earlier on, we're only limited by our collective imaginations. 804 00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:26,520 If you can imagine it, you can do it. 805 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,560 So just do it. 806 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,800 That's amazing. 807 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,520 Well, you heard it from Tom Fox founder of the plants, the compliance podcast 808 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:35,040 network. 809 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:41,320 Um, and Tom, do you have a, um, do you have a guest application form for people 810 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,880 who may want to be a guest on your shows or how do you feel about managing your 811 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,400 guests? 812 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:46,040 Sure. 813 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,960 So, uh, just reach out to me on the compliance podcast network. 814 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,280 You can leave me a voicemail on an app called speak pipe, or you can 815 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,960 send me a, there's a form if you want to be a guest, I just fill it out and that 816 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,560 will get to my team as well. 817 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:04,320 And we'd love to have you if you want to talk about compliance, who you're looking 818 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,200 for, um, as far as guests for your show, anybody, if you have an interest in 819 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,920 compliance, I'm interested in talking to you. 820 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:12,800 That's really neat. 821 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,520 That's and that's, that's like Albert Einstein stuff right there. 822 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,240 Um, right. 823 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,840 Just being able and willing to explore what's there and see, and, and 824 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,800 getting, uh, again, I'm going to go back to this mentorship thing that you talked 825 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,640 about in this colleagues reality, right? 826 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:33,840 It's once you, once you dive in with somebody, there's just no telling the 827 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,000 direction of how deep it's going to go or what you might learn from their 828 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:37,640 perspective. 829 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,240 Um, so it'll be curious and hungry and ready to appreciate all people. 830 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:43,640 Like that's, that's beautiful, man. 831 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,160 Go ahead. 832 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,320 You got, you got a burning thought. 833 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:45,760 I could see it. 834 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,040 I knew, um, this just happened. 835 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,000 Um, in 2018, two women came up to me at a conference and said, we don't think 836 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,560 there's enough diversity in your network. 837 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,560 And I looked at him. 838 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:56,520 I said, you're right. 839 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,240 When are you starting your podcast? 840 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,520 And they said, no, no, no, that's not what we meant. 841 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,760 I said, that's what I mean. 842 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,320 So they literally didn't know how to hit record button. 843 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:06,840 I showed them how to do that. 844 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,160 And they started a podcast and they called it great women in compliance. 845 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,360 And they started a LinkedIn group called great women in compliance. 846 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,760 Well, that LinkedIn group, they started a podcast called great women in 847 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,680 compliance, and it was a podcast that led to a whole group led to an entire. 848 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:23,400 Community. 849 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:29,080 And at that point in time, there were no, uh, support groups for women in compliance. 850 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,720 They built a support group from that. 851 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:38,000 They wrote a book about their experiences post pandemic, uh, compliance 852 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,400 conference gave them a session about women in compliance. 853 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,160 Um, it was so successful. 854 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,960 On women in compliance the next year, they gave them a two day conference 855 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,040 called women in compliance. 856 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,160 And they, I just, uh, I gave out my first awards this year. 857 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,960 I call it the Agora awards for excellence in podcasting. 858 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,600 And I gave it to these two women, Lisa fine and Mary Shirley. 859 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,680 And I tell people, they changed the world. 860 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,640 They created a support group for women professionals in compliance when there 861 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,680 was none and there still is not. 862 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,680 That's the power of podcasting and that's the power of one idea. 863 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,360 And I don't know how many drinks they had before they worked up the courage 864 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,280 to come up to say that to me, but they did. 865 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,320 And I just said, you're right. 866 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:24,920 Let's go. 867 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,640 I love that. 868 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,840 I love that. 869 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,080 Oh, that is, that is so awesome. 870 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,800 And all of you are one, just do it away from, from doing just that 871 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:38,760 going out and having fun. 872 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,640 This was, this is such a blast. 873 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,920 Uh, Tom, like I learned so much in this, uh, in this particular episode. 874 00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:46,680 I'm excited to stay in touch. 875 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,360 The, the, the virtue that comes to mind. 876 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,280 It's not one that I've met very many people, um, that I would, I would say, 877 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,480 Hey, you kind of represent this for me. 878 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,800 And I'm, I'm watching you for the sake of developing this myself. 879 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,760 I would say quiet dignity. 880 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:09,680 That is, that is one of those virtues that, um, man, you just, you just 881 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,120 gush it, um, of the way you show up as a leader. 882 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,360 And I really, really, really appreciate that. 883 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,360 Those of you listening, and if you want to get more involved with Tom Fox, 884 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,400 of course you can Google him. 885 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,720 Of course, you know, we'll have the links below, um, the episode. 886 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:23,160 And there's the action steps. 887 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,200 My challenge to you is to be like the women that came and approached Tom. 888 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,040 They were just willing to bring up whatever topic and never 889 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,960 hesitate to reach out to great leaders. 890 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,880 Great leaders love to lead. 891 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,520 Um, that's, that's, that's what they do. 892 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,240 That's what we do. 893 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:45,160 And we'll also have the resources down below, including an, um, AI generated 894 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,840 guide on how to find a great mentor. 895 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,280 Um, I'll likely be creating one today regarding curiosity and how to 896 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,840 dive into your own curiosity. 897 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,600 Um, thanks to, uh, to Tom inspiring that. 898 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,760 And then lastly, in the top right corner of the screen, you're going to see 899 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,840 a big old button that says, be our guest. 900 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,000 If you want to come on our show, be our guests, share your vision. 901 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,480 Don't hesitate to do so. 902 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,080 And we'll see you guys all on the next episode of vision pros life. 903 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,560 Thank you for being here today. 904 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,080 I'm really happy that you tuned into vision pros live. 905 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:18,040 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward. 906 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,720 This is going to get more and more fun. 907 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,560 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 908 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,000 We'll invite people to participate in the show and thank you for giving us 909 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,320 your time and attention, have an excellent time building out your 910 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:38,320 vision and becoming a big.