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there's a part of me that's like, so excited, just so excited.

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I get that.

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I think all entrepreneurs, whether they admit it or not, they know, they know.

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That's, that's just, that's part of, I mean, part of imposter syndrome,

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part of life that's part of doing great and big things we've never done before.

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things that you're doing that are new, you're just nuts.

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never done before, it's just like,

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it's wonderful and it's, you know, terrifying and all the things.

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And I love that you talk about, and you, you've got your title, the

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queen of boundaries to boundaries are super, super important to me.

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I'm in fact, I'm going to, I'm going to cheat.

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Normally my, my team does this while we talk, but I love the quote you have here.

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It speaks to your rigor.

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It speaks to your desires and it speaks to your witty personality.

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You would be a great, great, like special guest in the show suits.

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It's one of my favorites, by the way.

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Oh, it's I love soon.

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I can see that.

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And witty and hilarious and so full of awesome.

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even when you feel like a pile of ash, that is awesome.

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That is so epic.

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So we're going to, we're going to be diving into this and have a lot of fun with us.

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Hopefully visionaries play along with us.

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If you got questions or comments, don't hesitate to drop those.

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No matter what decade this is, I will be here.

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And so, well, Dana, we will be here or our teams will be, um, we, we want to

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explore these depths because there's just so many layers and levels of what success

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and abundance and like it look like.

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And Dana brings it.

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So, um, before we dive into for Dana, what are three resources that have

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gotten you to where you are? What are three resources?

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Other visionary leaders need to consider looking at on their journey.

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So we're looking at it from the point of boundaries and also entrepreneur.

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And with me being a psychotherapist as well, um, three things came to my mind.

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I got thinking earlier about that question.

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I'm like, okay, right off the bat.

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Now this book doesn't look like this anymore because this is old school.

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This is OG right here.

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But the book now is, I think it's, it's red, black.

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It's foreign.

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It's so passionately read.

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I mean, these, these guys, Dr.

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Henry cloud and John Townsend, they are like the OG of boundaries.

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I mean, just, oh my God, I am with you on this.

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They, they absolutely saved my life.

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I mean, I've got a personal story.

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If you have time later, we can get into that.

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A little bit, but I mean, save my life.

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I would highly recommend this right here.

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It's fabulous.

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Fabulous book.

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Page 128 boundaries and marriage guys.

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I've got this triple dog ear, not on accident with the page sticking out.

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Like that's how impactful like this, like, nah, I'm not forgetting to

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What's the point of that?

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Oh, I brushed it boundaries.

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What's number two?

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It's this one.

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It's amazing because children and emotionally immature parents, all of us.

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beings who were raised by fallible human beings.

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Am I the only parent out there who's considering like, okay, my daughter's 14th

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I'm like, go ahead.

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Like six to one half a dozen of another there.

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Read the child whisper with me, please.

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I like that.

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This was referred to me.

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Let me get them.

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Stop walking on eggshells.

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I love you, Paul.

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I have enough.

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you're terrified of some kind of, they're going to lash out, it's going to get bad.

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That used to be me and it's not any longer

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we have to be real.

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numerous people's stories of what it's like for them.

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they are sometimes rock stars at work.

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and what's the hitch and the get along.

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to help people kind of peel back the layers

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and tell this person what you said the other day,

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my feelings were hurt?

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because we're needing, I need you to prove of me.

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Those are absolutely phenomenal books.

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I think all visionaries need to consider the reality

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that they're headed towards needing these assets

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if your light is shining bright enough,

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it's going to incorporate others.

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Because we live in a future people can't see,

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only you can see.

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and triggering people's safety mechanisms

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to dive into play when you're trying to share with them

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what you're trying to do that doesn't quite make sense.

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like the pseudo-Bolvar effect.

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that causes people to experience uncontrollable

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and inappropriate episodes of crying or laughing.

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wow, that's a loud motorcycle.

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I've written that.

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They let everyone live their best life out there.

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That's right.

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We do want to make these things also well known

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because I think so many people ignorantly

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go through these realities and don't realize that you

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you've got to understand people.

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You've got to understand how to help people.

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it's that much harder to then help people.

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These resources are absolutely golden.

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So Dana, thank you for bringing so many amazing resources

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to the plate where I'm like, oh, yep,

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diving into both of those ones now.

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Stop walking on eggshells.

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For those of you in my position,

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for a couple of years ago, I decided to get in,

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what do they call those tractors that have the steam rollers?

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You know, like the big old giant concrete thing

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in front of them?

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Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

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I went from being a guy who walked on eggshells

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to saying, I'm just going to get in this thing.

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in my path and the eggs that are coming out

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of their feathered ass.

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I might as well.

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I'm sick of this.

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to be better at relationships.

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It's important to know how to set our boundaries.

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It's important to know who we want in our life.

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We don't have to eliminate them.

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But we may want to do our life differently.

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So those are some words from not the wise.

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Been through that, done that, good, bad, and ugly.

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Watch out.

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Pay attention to what Dana's up to and what she's saying.

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We'll come right back.

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We're going to dive into the other side of Apex Performance,

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reaching it, how you can reach it,

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while you're also helping all of your team members

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and friends and family recover from all the borderline

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personality disorder stuff that's out there.

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Get your tissue, start crying a little bit,

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come back ready to have some fun with us.

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And we'll see you on the other side.

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All right.

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Welcome in to Vision Pros Live with Jackson Callum.

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I'm your show host.

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We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs

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and guest leaders who are building

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fantastic visions out there.

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What's up, everybody?

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Welcome into another episode of Vision Pros Live.

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I'm your show host, Jackson Callum, founder and CEO

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of First Class Business.

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And I'm super excited to have Dana Skaggs on today.

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We're going to be talking about psychology and psychotherapy.

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We're going to be talking about both sides, the optimal side,

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which is how to drive excellent results by reaching

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your Apex Performance and living by that on a day-to-day basis.

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And also, we're going to be talking about the other side,

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because even if you get there, you're

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not like an eagle that flies in the clouds

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and nobody relates to.

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No, you still walk on the same streets as everybody else,

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and you have to deal with all the BS that

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exists in the real world, too.

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And sometimes we cause the BS.

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Sometimes it's those around us who cause it.

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But learning how to really play the game of growth

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and being a great visionary requires

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escaping those who are stuck in their flash

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and also maybe even bringing them along with us,

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inspiring them to be there alongside our side,

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but also realizing that it's cool and great and awesome

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to fly.

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So we're going to try to bridge both of those gaps as we talk

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and see if we can harmonize on that.

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Before I bring Dana back on, a couple of resources

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to help you do just that.

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For me, I'm a big fan of the concept.

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Your network is your net worth, and the people around you

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are the greatest assets to helping

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you thrive and win in life.

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So Dave Morrow of hardtokill.org,

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I highly recommend checking out what Dave's building.

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He built this program to help 100,000 veterans lose

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2 million pounds collectively.

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He's got an award-winning podcast as well for this.

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If you look up Dave Morrow Afghanistan,

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you'll see a New York Times article featuring the,

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really it's a featured article about the translators who

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got left behind with the transition of the war.

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I don't want to get political on it,

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but I do want to point out that Dave

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was there to help the people who needed to help the most,

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and I think it's amazing.

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And he does that in terms of helping military veterans feel

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good, look good, and go about doing good

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after they get back from war and have

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to get back into this normal thing we call life.

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He's expanded this now.

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Those of us who are not military and who are civilians,

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we now get to join as well and go check out

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his new book, Harden Up by Dave Morrow

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and see if that's another resource that can help you out.

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Then there's Opa de la Ayes de Trabajo para Latinos.

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That's opportunities to work for Latinos.

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If you're in the mindset of I want to hire a VA,

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then please don't contact us.

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Virtual abusive relationships are not ones that we support.

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We build with digital ambassadors.

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We help people who've never heard of Canva, never heard

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of Upwork, never heard of LinkedIn and Fiverr and beyond,

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never read the Rich Dad Poor Dad or Think and Grow Rich,

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individuals who know how to use the internet

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but haven't been given the tools.

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We teach them how to become amazingly powerful

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virtual assistants and how to help us build things

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like the show that you're actually listening to.

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And we align them with entrepreneurs

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who are ready to be amazing leaders, people who want

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to take interest in their lives, people who will know

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that if we serve the people that are within our walls

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super, super well, those people are going to go

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and build amazing things along our side, just like you saw

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with Luisa and Cynthia who run our Spanish podcast,

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Oprimeras Latinas, which goes hand in hand with that brand.

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So we look forward to seeing your support on that.

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If you know of a Latino leader, an Indian leader

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or a Filipino leader who would love to be on one

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of our shows, we've expanded in all three of those markets.

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And we're always looking for inspirational stories.

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People who've already dove into these things

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and are already working on building

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out your successful careers.

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You're a beacon of hope and light and truth for millions

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of those out there who are probably thinking

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how in the world can I ever become that?

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You're the key for helping inspire them.

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So thanks for joining us on that.

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Lastly, there's the Water Project.

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The Water Project is not a homegrown Institute of ours.

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It's just one that I fell in love with.

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It took me a bit to fall in love with it.

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I had to do some serious research on it and really dive in

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and start paying attention to something

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that I've never been able to relate to.

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I've never been thirsty in my life.

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I've always had access to water.

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And so seeing these kids, right?

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And these parents that have to go three, five miles

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just to get clean water.

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They have to leave school.

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They have to leave work to do it.

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I mean, they wouldn't survive without it.

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It took me a lot of time and patience myself

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to internalize this and realize that, man,

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why am I not thinking more about this?

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What if I could do more?

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Well, we can share the word, spread it

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with friends and family.

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Maybe consider contributing.

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If you've got five to $10, put it into one of these

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really cool Kickstarter projects they do.

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I call it a Kickstarter project, crowdfunding, if you will.

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And you might see kids who celebrate water more

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than our kids are going to celebrate Christmas Day

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this year.

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You get to have that type of impact on a community.

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You get to know which community you impacted.

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And the water project actually sends you

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the proof of what they did for that community

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so you can see the results of that.

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You'll be making a generational impact

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on individuals who suffer far, far greater scares, sacrifices,

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and challenges that we will probably never even relate to

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if we're listening to a podcast or on this.

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So be my friend.

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Join me on that.

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And if you know of another cause that you'd rather see supported

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or get like, man, I want Jackson to talk about this cause,

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do me the favor.

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Uplift me.

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Put it in the comments.

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Give us a chance to take a look at it, to give back.

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We got 8 billion people to help in this world.

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And if we combine forces, we can do just that.

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For now, I'm going to bring Dana Skaggs back on.

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And she's going to do that for you right along my side.

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Welcome to Vision Pros Live, Dana.

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Hello, Jackson.

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Oh, man, I'm excited.

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We're going to dive in to this Apex Performance conversation.

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So for those who may not be aware,

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what does it mean to achieve Apex Performance?

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And why does it matter?

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Apex Performance is when we are able to reach

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the top level of our potential.

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And most of us struggle to be able to do that.

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We're trying our best.

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But especially if we don't have healthy boundaries,

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we get pulled.

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We get pulled right.

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We get pulled left.

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We get pulled down.

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We get sucked into all of these issues around us,

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a lot of these relationship issues,

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a lot of issues that belong to other people

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that we're trying to manage.

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And we're personalizing.

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We're getting defensive.

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We're getting sucked into these areas.

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And it is like, it's sort of like someone siphoning gas

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out of your tank.

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And so you can't get all the way that you need to go.

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Say you need just about all the gas in your tank

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to get the distance.

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Well, if you're allowing these other situations

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to suck gas out of your tank, you're not going to get,

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you're not going to be able to go all the way

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that you were born to do, that you have the capacity to do.

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And you might be the only person that has the capacity

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to go all the way there.

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And so it's just like, you've got to be able

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to set those boundaries so that you can unabashedly

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just go all the way as far as you can go.

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And you also have to be able to face fear.

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You're not going to reach your apex performance

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unless you're able to face fears that you have.

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And a lot of the fears get back to relationships

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and they get back to boundary issues.

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It's interesting.

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Some of the Christians listening in

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may have a very solid concept of this,

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or at least they have access to the solid concept

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of the versions of the oil in the lamp

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and how they couldn't share their oil with other people.

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Otherwise they wouldn't be able to make it the distance.

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And I think in our world of infinite supplies and resources,

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we sometimes forget that we don't have access

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to the limited supply and resources.

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And when I say we don't have access, sure,

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law of attraction, law of abundance, the secret,

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all that stuff can get us there.

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But I also believe that those powers, personally,

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my belief is you can also leverage those powers

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to completely, royally screw over your life.

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And I think a lot of people don't realize that.

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So you talk about this from a cautious approach of,

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again, don't necessarily let people siphon the gas

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out of your tank because then you may not make it

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to your destination.

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What's the difference then in me being selfish

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and hoarding my resources versus wanting to be a good-natured

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human being who gives back and feels like I'm sharing

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something with somebody else that's going to lead it

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to us both winning.

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Can you talk about that?

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I would love to, because as you're talking,

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and I'm listening to what you're saying,

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and hoarding gets us nowhere.

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It gets nowhere.

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As a matter of fact, for those of us who are entrepreneurs,

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I know, and maybe you can speak to this,

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I feel like you can, that I know when I've been in a space

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where I feel like I'm meant to be,

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the energy is like I'm on fire.

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It's like I'm electric, right?

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I feel like you could light up a whole street of lights

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in the night and you could just like, the whole way down.

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The funny thing is the flip side of that is when I'm pulled

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into an area that I, it's not my thing.

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Yes.

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Technical stuff or like, accounting stuff.

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And I have to sit there with my consultant

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and she starts bringing up like all these things.

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And I lit, I'm not, Jackson, I'm not joking.

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I literally feel like a balloon that's deflating.

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Yes.

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And I had just, I'm telling you, I had just been on

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like a podcast with somebody and we were talking

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and I felt so full of energy and so alive

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and we were talking, because I was in my space, right?

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I can feel it.

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It's just like you feel the electricity.

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It's like it multiplies, right?

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When you're in your space, it multiplies.

516
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,760
And so you have not only for you, but you have for everybody

517
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,800
you're spreading it around.

518
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,560
But then when you get pulled into an area

519
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,520
that's not your thing, that's not your space,

520
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,240
it's just like, ew, I feel like I'm shrinking.

521
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,560
And I just want to get off.

522
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,040
When I was on, I was on the Zoom call with her

523
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,080
and I just, she told me, she goes, when I start going

524
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,760
like this and she goes, oh my gosh, she says,

525
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,840
we gotta stop, because I know when Dana starts touching

526
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,360
her face, that means she's done.

527
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:28,880
She can't deal with this anymore.

528
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,120
She wants off the phone, because I start going like this.

529
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:34,000
It's just like, can't, I don't like it.

530
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,840
So I feel like when we're in that space,

531
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,640
to reach that apex of what each one of us has meant to do,

532
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,120
which is different.

533
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,240
What I'm meant to do is different

534
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,280
from what you're meant to do,

535
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,960
which is different from what someone else is meant to do.

536
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,720
But when we step in that space,

537
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,960
it's like a slipstream.

538
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,120
It just goes whoosh, and you get filled up

539
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:56,520
with so much energy.

540
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,800
It's opposite from hoarding.

541
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,840
When you're in that space, it flows through you

542
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,440
and it gets almost like magnified as it comes through you.

543
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,480
And then other people are able to benefit from that as well.

544
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,280
And so that's my answer to that whole issue.

545
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,120
I love that.

546
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:13,940
I love that.

547
00:23:13,940 --> 00:23:15,720
It took me in a direction that wasn't anticipating,

548
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,240
but it's like a beautiful direction.

549
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,160
And it's like, oh my gosh, that's amazing.

550
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,160
So, because we all have access to being able

551
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,040
to feel what you're talking about,

552
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,960
but we also have to give ourselves permission.

553
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,720
We have to be willing to do that

554
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,720
and we have to be willing to recognize it.

555
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,400
Then we kind of have to be willing to own it.

556
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,820
And there's an old saying in the dating world, it's me.

557
00:23:38,820 --> 00:23:41,440
It's not you, it's me.

558
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,480
And that's what I'm like,

559
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,120
my go-to realities more often nowadays

560
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:47,800
is I tend to be more that guy nowadays.

561
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,200
So I'm like, look, it's me.

562
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,680
I can't be what you want me to be and that's okay.

563
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,720
And I'm not gonna be rude about it.

564
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,440
And it's funny, cause people have a harder time

565
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,560
letting me go these days.

566
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,720
I've noticed that I told my team members, I said,

567
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,720
guys, it's kind of like somebody's falling into a pool

568
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,040
and they're grabbing my arm.

569
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,600
And I'm like, no, I'm not going that direction.

570
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,440
Thank you.

571
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,720
I enjoy your, but they don't want to.

572
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,840
And so there's a new challenge with it.

573
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,360
But I love what you said.

574
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,560
If somebody is, if it's not adding fuel to the fire,

575
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,160
I got to give a big shout out to Randy.

576
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,560
He'll know who he is.

577
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,680
But Randy, one day years ago, he goes,

578
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,520
this is like three, four years ago,

579
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,760
Jackson, it's like fires come out of your eyes

580
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:33,580
when you're talking.

581
00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:34,560
And I went, oh dude,

582
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,600
fire is coming out of every single fiber of my body right now.

583
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,200
I was like, absolutely.

584
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,900
And that's what Randy drove, right?

585
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:45,400
That's the energy that he brought me as he worked with me

586
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,140
on the purposes of what we're driving.

587
00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:50,240
And I'm so grateful for an entire team that brings that.

588
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,200
But we're very conscious these days

589
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,240
about making sure that those are the types of people

590
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,120
that we surround ourselves with at VisionPro

591
00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:59,440
is live in a first-class business.

592
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,520
So I want further thoughts on that, Dana.

593
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,120
How do we continue to help people shift into that

594
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,280
and away from what siphons away their energy?

595
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,160
Okay, two answers to that.

596
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,400
One is that when we step into our space,

597
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,960
especially if you're a leader,

598
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,520
if you're an entrepreneur, if you're a leader,

599
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,920
then there's going to be, not if,

600
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,040
but when people approach you and they start going,

601
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,960
well, aren't you're a little extra, you know?

602
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,160
You're a little extra, you know,

603
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,960
do you really need to say it that way?

604
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,680
Maybe you need to tone it down some.

605
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,400
You're just a little bit too big for the room.

606
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,760
You know, blah, blah, blah, blah.

607
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,760
I mean, can you tell I've heard these things before?

608
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,600
Bye.

609
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,440
Right, yes ma'am.

610
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,720
You know, you're just,

611
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,760
you're taking up a little too much space, blah, blah, blah.

612
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,000
And they try to bring you down into something

613
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,240
that's more comfortable for them.

614
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,240
If you're a leader and you're like entrepreneurial,

615
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,160
then that's going to happen.

616
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,000
Yes.

617
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,840
And when you're setting healthy boundaries,

618
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,520
you let other people sit with their own discomfort.

619
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,720
You don't own that.

620
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,360
If they're uncomfortable with what you need to do,

621
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,160
if they're uncomfortable with your personality,

622
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,840
they're uncomfortable with how loud you are,

623
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,820
they're uncomfortable with how direct you are,

624
00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:16,120
they're uncomfortable with your energy,

625
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,160
they're uncomfortable with what I fill in the blank.

626
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,040
Okay, they can be uncomfortable.

627
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,560
That has nothing to do with us.

628
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,520
That's their discomfort.

629
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,920
We're not doing anything to make anybody else uncomfortable.

630
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,520
We're trying to give ourselves permission.

631
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,680
Like you said, it's me.

632
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,800
We're trying to give ourselves permission to be.

633
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,280
Visionaries, some of you aren't going to hear this.

634
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,120
I'm going to interrupt

635
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:35,760
because some of you aren't hearing it right now.

636
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,280
They're going to project this on you.

637
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,120
They're going to tell you,

638
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:39,560
you're the one making them uncomfortable.

639
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,280
They're going to tell you that it's because of you

640
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,120
that they're not comfortable.

641
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,280
They're going to point all at you and you and you and you.

642
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,520
Escape that.

643
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,960
No, it is not you.

644
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,880
It's not you.

645
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,800
And so here's the thing.

646
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,080
Sometimes we cannot necessarily geographically

647
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,920
or physically escape it,

648
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,960
but you can emotionally escape it with boundaries.

649
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,560
When you release the other person,

650
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,680
if they want to feel uncomfortable,

651
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,920
okay, feel free to be uncomfortable.

652
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,600
But I, technically, Jackson,

653
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,080
their discomfort is in their brain.

654
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,520
That's where their discomfort is.

655
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,640
We're not creating that.

656
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,680
They are.

657
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,240
It's how they're interpreting us.

658
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,880
And why they feel that way around us

659
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,520
has nothing to do with us.

660
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,360
Now that's my-

661
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,880
I will caution you, all those who are listening in,

662
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,920
again, this is why you want to work with a professional

663
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,200
like Dana, not myself.

664
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,160
This can lead to you being hit in the face by a fire pan.

665
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,600
Just going to say it.

666
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,320
I'm glad you laughed because it's worth laughing about,

667
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,520
but this can lead to that,

668
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,280
that reacts those physical realities, right?

669
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,400
Be wise about seeking professional counsel

670
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,920
and how to deal with these scenarios

671
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,320
because it can have a dramatic effect on you

672
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,720
and the safety of you and your loved ones,

673
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,720
even from your loved ones who are ideally supposed to respect

674
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,640
the fact that you're just different than they are.

675
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,240
So, without pause in there, go ahead.

676
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,840
What you're talking about is the bell curve, okay?

677
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,760
If you think about your average bell curve,

678
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,760
then visionaries, we're in the tip end, okay?

679
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,920
We're on the end.

680
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,000
You think about, I think it's 86% is in the middle.

681
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,520
That's the meaty part of the bell curve.

682
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,920
That's your average population.

683
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,000
In whatever you pick, you can pick any topic

684
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,440
and you're going to have people involved

685
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,840
and you've got a bell curve where the vast majority of people

686
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,360
are in that fat middle, but then you've got the tails.

687
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,280
Now, one into the tail are the people

688
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,640
that maybe aren't doing as well, okay?

689
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,960
And they're lower and then you've got the people

690
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,240
on the higher end, whichever way you want to interpret that.

691
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,240
But in either way, the people that are in the tails

692
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,240
get criticized, get made fun of, they get accused people

693
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,520
because people want to see other people like them.

694
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,560
When you're in the tail, they don't like it

695
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,880
because you're different.

696
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,200
Whether you're different for this reason

697
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,400
or different for that reason, whatever the reason,

698
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,520
if you're in one of the tails, which visionaries are,

699
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,440
then to be honest with you, are you even a visionary

700
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,440
if people aren't criticizing you and fussing on some level?

701
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,640
But you still have to deal with it in relationships,

702
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,560
which is why we need boundaries.

703
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,400
See, because boundaries is that's a way

704
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,960
to be respectful of people, to respect their right

705
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,560
to their opinion, to be able to communicate well,

706
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,480
not let like bitterness and resentment build up

707
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,240
because we're not communicating things

708
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,600
that we need to communicate.

709
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,000
And there's reasons why that we're not.

710
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,560
And that I could go on and on with that.

711
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,400
But I wanted to get to the second answer to your question

712
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,440
was also, you said you had a team around you.

713
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,120
It's surrounding ourselves with people who are fabulous

714
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,200
at doing things that we're not fabulous at doing

715
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,960
and letting them be wonderful at what they do.

716
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,600
And as a whole team, you can rise absolutely

717
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,200
like a Phoenix because each person is doing it.

718
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,600
And it kind of reminded me of what you said

719
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,600
of your business supporting the VA program,

720
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,200
you know, that really finding people and see

721
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,680
that's something that they're there to step in

722
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,960
to do something that someone who possibly

723
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,680
is a visionary needs to be done.

724
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,360
I know exactly what that feels like.

725
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,240
I'm kind of in that position now.

726
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,520
I'm gonna add one more layer,

727
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,640
one more big layer for visionaries out there.

728
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,560
Because you did talk about people bridging the gaps

729
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,520
that we don't know how to do, right?

730
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,360
Or that we're not as good at it.

731
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,160
That some people are better at.

732
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,920
And I would say that's an elementary level for visionaries.

733
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,800
But the harder level and the more important level is,

734
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,680
actually, I think it's harder for entrepreneurs

735
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,960
to let go of what they're really great at,

736
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,880
but should no longer be doing.

737
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,800
And allow somebody else to do it,

738
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,200
who's just learning for the first time

739
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,240
or who has not learned exactly how you're doing it.

740
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,160
We have such a nasty tendency as leaders to condescend

741
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,000
and to say that no, that's not how I wanted it,

742
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,520
I wanted it in this way.

743
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,280
And we don't nurture people

744
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,200
towards the opportunity for growth.

745
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,480
And when we make that shift where we say, you know what?

746
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,720
Even though I'm great at getting myself booked

747
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,640
or even though I've got my email system down,

748
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,320
or even if I can contribute to building my website,

749
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,120
if I'm doing this, who's doing the more important things

750
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,160
for my growth that nobody else can truly do

751
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,720
and that I still need to train and learn how to do

752
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,360
if I'm gonna go to those next levels.

753
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600
So I think that's another great opportunity for you,

754
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,360
entrepreneurs and visionaries out there,

755
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,120
is learning to let somebody else learn to do incompletely

756
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,480
or as a mode of progress what you're doing

757
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,920
and give them the space to learn.

758
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,760
What do you thought, Fionn?

759
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,200
That's an excellent point.

760
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,240
You're absolutely true.

761
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,560
I mean, that's right.

762
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,040
Kind of reminds me, is that the quote that says

763
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120
the enemy of great is good?

764
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,160
Yes, I love that quote.

765
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,200
And so you can't get great.

766
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,840
You can be good at all kinds of things,

767
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,840
but you can't get great if you're not willing

768
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,920
to let someone else learn how to do something

769
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,640
so that you can let go of that.

770
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,880
I'll give you another example on that.

771
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,080
Right now, my first company, I was an SEO company.

772
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,400
We were really, really, really, really, really, really well.

773
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,320
And we had the search director of Google as our guide.

774
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,480
So that was very, very helpful.

775
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Matt Cutts, we're part of the Y Combinator program.

776
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,760
But his first teaching to us was the sign of an expert

777
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,040
is not somebody who knows it all.

778
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,760
It's somebody who will go get the information.

779
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,640
And I only talked about how he didn't know it all.

780
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,580
There's all sorts of changes being made all the time.

781
00:32:43,580 --> 00:32:46,840
So when it comes to the growth process of SEO,

782
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,520
I've also learned enough to know that that's one

783
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,960
of the greatest and easiest solutions to sell

784
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,040
to entrepreneurs because they think how important it is.

785
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,160
It's essential, it's important, but it's just a piece.

786
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,920
So my business, 14 years later,

787
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,280
and first class business is now three years into it,

788
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,480
I know enough to be very, very dangerous

789
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,360
and very, very good in terms of SEO

790
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,520
and to probably outclass 99.9% of companies

791
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,000
in relation to how to build with it.

792
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,000
But we're just barely, this last week,

793
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,520
training some team members internally

794
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,520
on go and use these tools, go and dive in further.

795
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,520
And now that we have somebody with the capacity

796
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,460
and all of the other thousands of things

797
00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:31,880
that are being taken care of that are also

798
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,000
essential and important to business growth,

799
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,900
now it's time for that person to work with two

800
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:40,440
or three more team members to learn all about how

801
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,160
to apply what they know in 2024

802
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,640
and what they see in the market,

803
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,380
knowing full well that they're not going to be better

804
00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:50,320
than me at SEO for a couple of years.

805
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,720
They're gonna have a lot of things

806
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,560
to possibly learn about it, but to be able to sit back

807
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,200
and to not focus on that, to allow them to be able

808
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,080
to explore and make mistakes and figure things out

809
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,960
and move forward, I don't need to distract

810
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,160
myself with that.

811
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,120
I've got to stay focused on far more important things.

812
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,880
And again, I think so many of us as entrepreneurs,

813
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,200
we struggle, trust me, I struggled for a long time

814
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,160
to get to a point where I could let that go like that.

815
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,460
But it's not a matter of being like,

816
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:22,120
you can't be the smartest person in the room.

817
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,320
It's not a matter of trying to get somebody

818
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,720
who's better than you at doing things.

819
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:29,120
I think it's a matter of enjoying the journey

820
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,400
and empowering people as you go.

821
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,480
And so that's my performance,

822
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,000
that's my apex performance tip is to learn

823
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,320
to enjoy doing what you do, but also trying to learn

824
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,600
to put other people in a place to succeed,

825
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,120
even if they're not as good at you at that thing,

826
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,500
I guarantee you they're better than you at other things.

827
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,600
All my team members are way better than me

828
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,700
at lots of things in life.

829
00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:54,720
How do we create a fullness of appreciation for that?

830
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,040
That's what we aim for.

831
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,960
I love this, I love what you're saying.

832
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,960
And really to be the importance of business,

833
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,480
because you can have, and you've had guests on your podcast,

834
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,840
I've heard your podcast, I've heard the guests,

835
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,480
and I have a podcast, I have tons of guests on my podcast.

836
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:19,600
You can have people on there that are excellent,

837
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,200
that know what they're talking about,

838
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,820
but if they're not a good business person,

839
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:26,000
or if they don't know someone who's a good business person,

840
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,600
see, that enables people to be able to grow

841
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,360
so they can get their message out to more people.

842
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,800
Because you could talk to someone, you think,

843
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,080
oh my gosh, this person is amazing.

844
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,280
I know so many people that could benefit

845
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,720
from what this person has to say,

846
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:45,040
but if there's not a business component,

847
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,080
if there's not an ability to market,

848
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,080
to be able to get the word out, then it's sad.

849
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,080
It's sad.

850
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,440
It shouldn't be that way,

851
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,560
but that's the way it is in a lot of respects.

852
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,240
There's so much opportunity for all of us to learn.

853
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,560
And I appreciate your humility in that, Dana, as well.

854
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,160
I'm gonna be the first or the second to say it,

855
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,160
just I guess, because you did go first.

856
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,040
I have so much to learn, all right?

857
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,880
And if I stay centered on what I do know,

858
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,920
and I allow people to influence what I don't know

859
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,640
that care about me, that are gonna help me with growth,

860
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,840
and I can move so much faster and so much further.

861
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,880
So I do wanna make sure I get my favorite question in today

862
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,080
because you're the exact type of person I want people

863
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,700
to hear this type of an answer from.

864
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:35,080
So the Phoenix in Flame podcast, by the way,

865
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,000
super grateful for being on that show.

866
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,600
Absolutely love how you run it.

867
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,160
Moving away from all things cerebral for a minute.

868
00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:45,920
Dana, if this were the last chance in your life to speak,

869
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,320
what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn

870
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,400
from your experience?

871
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,240
I'm gonna break away from the boundaries talk for a moment,

872
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,880
and I'm gonna get a little more personal,

873
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,400
although boundaries is very personal with me.

874
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,980
And I will say, if I were to leave one thing with people,

875
00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:09,540
it would be these two words, keep going.

876
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:13,920
Keep going.

877
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,920
No matter what happens, if you make a mistake, keep going.

878
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,920
If you fall on your face and you will, keep going.

879
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,800
If you feel like you're like a failure,

880
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,760
if you're in a relationship that you're thinking,

881
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,280
what's happening right now?

882
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,780
If you're upset, if you're going to see a therapist,

883
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:36,060
whatever you're dealing with, whatever's happening,

884
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:38,440
as a visionary, you're gonna push.

885
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,960
And things are gonna happen.

886
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,460
When you push, things change in your relationships,

887
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:48,160
personally, interpersonally, whatever happens,

888
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,520
just keep going.

889
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,800
Don't stop.

890
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,380
Don't let anything stop you.

891
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,560
Keep going.

892
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,640
I love it.

893
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,880
You didn't say keep going enough though.

894
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,800
We need more of that.

895
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,440
And the times where it just doesn't hit,

896
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,280
we need more of that.

897
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,720
So I love the quote, love what you're talking about with it.

898
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:14,080
And for those of you who do need that one more of keep going,

899
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,320
it's so important.

900
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,880
And I would add to that,

901
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,760
we're speaking to the essence of somebody

902
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,000
who's following their intuition,

903
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,840
their heart and their mind on this.

904
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,260
I would say I'm speaking mostly to that.

905
00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:32,360
For those of you who are off track,

906
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,280
maybe it's still the same solution, keep going.

907
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,120
Maybe that's the only way through

908
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,080
and to figure out how to get back on track.

909
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,520
But stagnant, stopping or moving backwards

910
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,440
or trying to just live in a position of regret

911
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,920
or shame or guilt or fear,

912
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,280
I can't subscribe to those behaviors.

913
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,560
That to me is not the essence of what's gonna drive

914
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,280
goodness and abundance and peace and love and harmony

915
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,840
and all the wonderful things that I want in life.

916
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,300
So I really appreciate that thought process.

917
00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:08,600
We got a few minutes left.

918
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,920
With a few minutes left that we have,

919
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,600
Dana, what are the questions or areas of topics

920
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,640
that hosts like me sometimes may forget to ask you about?

921
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,400
We're like, man, I wish we would spend more time

922
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,880
talking about this or I wish I could give this

923
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,280
more frequently into the world.

924
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,240
What are those areas of expertise

925
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,080
that we might miss out on if I ask the wrong question?

926
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,840
Well, something that comes to mind is something

927
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,160
that comes to my mind when I'm reviewing

928
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,720
potential podcasts, guests and things,

929
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:47,720
and it's like, why are you good at this?

930
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,160
Why should someone listen to you more than someone else?

931
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,040
Why, what was your experience in life?

932
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,440
Because there's so many people out there, right?

933
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,600
There's tons of people and that's a wonderful thing,

934
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,160
but people are reaching out and they're wanting

935
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,120
to say this or that.

936
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,760
The question is, okay, that's interesting.

937
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,320
Well, what is it about you?

938
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,040
Because if you go on their LinkedIn profile

939
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,840
for you and scroll down, sometimes you don't see anything

940
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,720
education-wise or you're thinking of why,

941
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:27,560
why are you good at this?

942
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,800
What is it that you're bringing to this table?

943
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,160
What experience did you have?

944
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,440
What trauma did you go through?

945
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,360
What happened to you?

946
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,520
What was your walk?

947
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,120
What was your journey?

948
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,960
Like you think about the Phoenix and think,

949
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,400
okay, what was the fire?

950
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,600
That's why my podcast is Phoenix in Flame,

951
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,560
because I'm equally interested not only

952
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,440
in what helped you rise like a Phoenix,

953
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,680
but what was the flame?

954
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,680
What flame did you go to that burnt you down to ash?

955
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,920
And then somehow you kept going and you were able

956
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,000
to eventually rise into the Phoenix.

957
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,440
You just didn't stop in the ash.

958
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,400
And so what was it?

959
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,960
What was the flame?

960
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,880
What was the fire that created that in you

961
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,640
that you ended up rising in this Phoenix

962
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,440
and offering this wonderful information to people

963
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,520
that you're trying to get out to help people?

964
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,280
Why are you good at this?

965
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,160
That's huge.

966
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,000
I love that.

967
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,880
It goes like hand in hand, perfectly suited

968
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,640
with everything that Vision Pros Live stands for.

969
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,400
The whole point of why we talk about visions

970
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,800
and what's there is based on what you're talking about.

971
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,640
And that's realizing, coming to understand our identities,

972
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,960
coming to understand our purposes.

973
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,160
I have been the Phoenix rising probably more

974
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,440
than a hundred times in my life.

975
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,560
I have been through so many different versions of that.

976
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,640
And you're talking about self-awareness,

977
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,240
becoming that much more aware about what has driven us

978
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:00,320
at a deeper level.

979
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,320
And it's interesting to somebody who's a nurture

980
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,240
and a leader, trying to stay focused on realizing

981
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,120
I've already, like, I'm pretty darn locked in

982
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,640
on what my whys are, right?

983
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,800
What was my Phoenix?

984
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,640
What were my ashes?

985
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,480
What burned me down?

986
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,280
But to be a great leader, if we want to be,

987
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,480
if our goal is to lead the masses,

988
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,480
you receive so much more strength and value

989
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,480
when you can keep unlocking that for others,

990
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,120
when you can remember that you once started out

991
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,200
where what was the thing that drove you?

992
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,680
Video games and pizza.

993
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,680
All right, what was the thing that drove me

994
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,560
being able to play as much basketball I want

995
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,680
and never have to work in my life?

996
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,480
All right, being able to remember that, you know,

997
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,440
I'm playing, I learned to play the guitar to pick up chicks.

998
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,360
Right, you know, like that, that's why I started

999
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,720
to learn that instrument, right?

1000
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:03,800
There's all sorts of little things

1001
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,800
that we think motivate us, but they're not so,

1002
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,200
they're just layers that have been stacked upon

1003
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,040
our true core.

1004
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,120
I mean, like, what we've actually been through.

1005
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:21,120
So I highly recommend if you can relate to that reality

1006
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,960
of I don't really get why this Jackson guy gets so excited

1007
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,680
about what he does, right?

1008
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,640
I don't really get how all these leaders are so like,

1009
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,880
they seem so frou-frouy, you know,

1010
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,000
but if you want to figure that out, go to Dana Skaggs.

1011
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,560
Go talk to the queen of boundaries.

1012
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,120
Go find out what that is within you.

1013
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,240
Start to dive into figuring out

1014
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,960
how do you find your purpose, your passion?

1015
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,320
Maybe try passionpro.org, our program for that too.

1016
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,920
Life is different.

1017
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,480
Life is a different style of living.

1018
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,320
When you figure these aspects out,

1019
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,800
there's so much more that has opened up for me

1020
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,400
by finding these things out and I had to go the hard way.

1021
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,840
I didn't have somebody like Dana Skaggs in my life

1022
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,520
to help me figure it out,

1023
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,960
but we have people like Dana right in front of us.

1024
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,520
So there's gonna be call to actions below the show

1025
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,480
where you can get in touch with Dana

1026
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,920
and see and learn more about her program.

1027
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,520
You got an endless supply, not endless,

1028
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,920
but how many episodes are you at?

1029
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,360
Oh, I think 126 or something like that.

1030
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126 examples of her diving in and researching

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and uncovering with real human beings

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who are willing to share how they became a phoenix

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and what thing they went through to get there.

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That can unlock so much treasure for all of us.

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And then there's the resources that will add below that too

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that you can dive into.

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And lastly, there's one more call to action on the show.

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It's in the top right corner of the screen.

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You'll see a button that says, be our guest.

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If you wanna come on this show and talk about your vision

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and help us see what you're doing for others in the world,

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then definitely don't hesitate to book your appointment.

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Come on, get to know me and the other co-hosts in the show

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and let's host you.

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Before I wrap up, final thoughts, Dana Skaggs,

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anything else you'd like to share with the audience?

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I just believe in yourself.

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Just believe in yourself and just keep going.

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Like I said, it's gonna happen.

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It's not gonna be easy.

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And the mistakes are just opportunities to learn.

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It's like-

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I heard it from Dana Skaggs,

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vision pros, go ahead, I cut you off.

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It's okay.

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I was just saying, failure is,

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I don't really even know what failure is

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because what is failure?

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It's just learning new stuff, learning what doesn't work.

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Absolutely.

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And as Barbara Ann, Garden Higher Mills,

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one of my great friends also says,

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the acronym, first attempt in learning, right?

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Failure, first attempt in learning.

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You've got to fail forward.

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And as Dana Skaggs says, keep going.

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We'll see you guys in the next episode.

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Take care, everybody.

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Thank you for being here today.

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I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,640
I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions

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as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is gonna get more and more fun.

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We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show.

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And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision

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and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.