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and a lot of stuff going on in life.

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That's life for all of us, right?

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There's always moving parts.

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And so staying centered around thriving.

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You know, what's the connection in your opinion

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between surviving and thriving?

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Is there one?

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Are they polar opposites that never talk?

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What are your thoughts on that, Rand?

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Well, we all have to survive.

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And the question is, do you go beyond surviving

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into a different place?

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I mean, you know, thriving is the climate.

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It's an average over time.

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It's not today's weather.

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So at any point in time,

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you could have something you're struggling with.

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And you know, you're just reminding yourself

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to take some deep breaths.

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You're surviving.

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You're surviving at that moment.

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But if you're on top of things

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and you're following a process that's helpful to you,

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then you can be thriving.

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And then surviving is just something, you know,

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in your rear view mirror or, you know,

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platform below your feet.

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I love that.

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And we are talking to an expert right now

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in terms of thriving.

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Rand has proven that in tremendous capacity with me.

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Our first interview that we did,

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I grilled Rand on all things authoring a book

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and how to move through that.

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And the grace he's shown,

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the work and ethics that he put into

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creating such a great book.

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The types of people he's working with

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to bring that book to fruition.

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There's so much we gleaned from that episode.

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I don't wanna actually ruin that episode for you.

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I highly recommend going back

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and listening to my first episode with Rand.

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And I don't do that often, my friends.

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I move forward with life.

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I say, let's go produce, not consume.

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Rand is somebody you wanna consume from.

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He's got a lot of depths that well.

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So Rand, I've gotten a little bit of bromance

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out of the way.

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But there's so much that you've unpacked and uncovered

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in your decades on this earth.

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What are three resources that, you know,

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out of all that time that you've put into dedicating

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a life towards thriving

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that you'd recommend other visionary leaders lean into

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to help them as they produce their visions

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and lead their lives?

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Well, resource number one is just continue

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to be a lifelong learner and read, read, read, read.

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So I wanna just call out two books

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that were amazingly important for me.

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One is called Positive Intelligence.

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And the other is called the Disciplined, or sorry,

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Essentialism.

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The subtitle is The Disciplined Pursuit of Less.

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Both those books along with another 70 books,

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I've got a paragraph, a paragraph about each one

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is in the back of my book.

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Depending on what you're most interested in,

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whether it's, you know, spiritual stuff

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or whether it's money stuff or just becoming

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a stronger, better person, there's books in there for you.

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Both those books I just mentioned, Positive Intelligence

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are both in there.

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I would say as a technique, which is a little bit,

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it's sort of a resource,

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but your own resource is journaling.

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I was just mentioning before we came on the show,

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mentioning to Jackson how last night on a plane ride

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coming home from the East Coast,

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I wrote some notes myself and just took a look.

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I've got a huge amount of things going on

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and I'm handling it really well.

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I've got these broad shoulders and I'm a warrior,

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but I've had, yeah, yeah, I've had some stress

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and I had to take a look at that stress

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and by looking at it and identifying

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some of the elements of stress,

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I now could say I know how to deal with that stress better.

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It's a huge resource.

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I love that, a gift to myself.

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So you gave me like 100 resources already,

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which is amazing, but I'm gonna boil that down.

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You said read, right?

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That's one of the big ones, which is great

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because we're gonna put together a guide for that.

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Same thing on the journaling aspect.

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So I caught those two.

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Do you have a third one in it?

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I know again, I've got 70 books in there,

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positive and total essentialism,

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but let's dive deep into Ranswell.

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What's the technique or resource?

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Yeah, I'm gonna today and tomorrow I could have two others,

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but right now I'm thinking about slowing things down,

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taking care of yourself in that way.

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People I keep talking to, they're feeling overwhelmed.

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They're just pedaling way too fast.

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And it's not that they're not doing a good job with it,

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but they need to keep taking deep breaths.

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Take that walk outdoors.

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Hopefully the weather will accommodate,

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but if not, throw another layer on.

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I love that.

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Look, open your eyes and don't,

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if you wanna do a podcast or you love Jackson like I do,

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okay, you can listen to that,

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but don't listen the whole time.

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Take it out, be by yourself.

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Listen and look, open your eyes and see the little bugs

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and the leaves and the changes of seasons

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and all those things.

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You will be healthier and better and happier if you do that.

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I love that.

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I agree too.

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That's last night I spent about an hour and a half,

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maybe almost two hours listening

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to a podcast called Man Talks.

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And Connor, I can't remember the last name,

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but Connor B.

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What an amazing teacher.

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and how our exterior can feel centered

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while an interior can feel completely overwhelmed

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or our exterior can feel calm,

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but our interior can feel completely overwhelmed.

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And it was really helpful.

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His stuff, looking at some of his popular beliefs

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in relation to anxious attachment disorders.

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That's something that I correlate well with.

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I'd never heard of it before until a couple of weeks ago.

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to certain techniques like breath work

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that one can do to unlock what I call clean energy.

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Thank you, Taylor Welch for that.

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And you talked about it, going outside, right?

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Spending time in nature,

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realizing our connection with the entire earth.

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That is a phenomenal opportunity.

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I love that you said that will lead to happiness.

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I can't disagree with that.

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I do think that's a very important absolute

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that if people aren't engaged with earth,

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they're missing out on a level of centeredness

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and happiness that only comes in my opinion

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from spending some time in nature.

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Thank you for that.

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All right, so I'm gonna throw down one more time.

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He's got this great book, Ryan's got this great book

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called Thriving Chip Conley of Peak.

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Left a great recommendation for it as well.

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How to create a healthier, happier,

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and more prosperous life.

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We're gonna dive in with the author himself, of course.

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And I'm gonna see how much I can extract from Rand

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outside of the realm of the book as well.

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That way you guys get as much as possible out of this.

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I get as much as possible out of this time too.

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So we'll see you guys on the other side.

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All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live.

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With Jackson Callum, I'm your show host.

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We will be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs

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and guest leaders who are building fantastic visions

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out there.

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Hey there and welcome in to another episode

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of Vision Pros Live.

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I'm your show host, Jackson Callum, founder and CEO

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of First Class Business.

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And I'm super excited to have Rand Sellegon today.

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This man is a legend.

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He really is.

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The way he came in and got to know me in the first session,

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the way he just honored us throughout the process,

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this guy knows how to be a guest at the highest levels.

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And we got some great guests.

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We have some great people.

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Again, nothing to put down on anybody who's been on,

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but think about it.

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We got like 2000 episodes now,

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tons and tons and tons and tons of leaders.

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among the absolute best of them.

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So definitely check out his book, Thriving,

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see what it is there

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and give this guy a call.

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I think most of us hide from authors

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and we think they're like recluse people

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who don't wanna talk to the world or they're too cool

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or like JK Rowling and they've got too many friends already.

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So what would they know?

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Like reach out to leaders like this,

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get the essence of how is it that they cram so much knowledge

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into all these pages so eloquently

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and just imagine what they can give beyond that.

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So we're gonna dive in and take advantage of that

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Some other resources,

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people who have also released it out to us,

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resources around the world

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that people don't know how to access.

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First one is hardtokill.org with Dave Marl.

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Hardtokill.org is on a mission

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to help 100,000 veterans lose 2 million pounds collectively.

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And Dave is the man to lead that cause.

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What's really cool is he opened Hard to Kill Now

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to civilians like myself

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and it has made a massive impact on my health.

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Guys, I have no reason to say that by the way,

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no, like none.

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I could tell you all about all the cool stories

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that he's done for others,

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but in the last days,

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I have successfully managed to stay the skinny fat guy.

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And all of the wonderful health people that I've met

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and personal trends and beyond,

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nobody got me moving into action until Dave Marl.

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He's that awesome what he does.

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And he's far more loving than that book title says,

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Harden the F Up.

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He doesn't come at you like that either,

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but he does understand that a lot of the military folks,

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when they get out of military service,

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they lose their routines,

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they lose track of their habits,

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they begin to fall in some severe depression.

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So if you know somebody who's military,

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send them Dave's way,

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have them check out the podcast

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and come join the community over there

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so we can all look good, feel good and go about doing good.

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Check out Dave's story, by the way, Dave Marl,

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Afghanistan, just Google that

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and see what the New York Times,

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how he was getting involved with helping people,

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our allies in the process of what was going on in Afghanistan.

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Then there's,

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Opre de la Isetrajo para Latinos.

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That's opportunities for work for Latinos,

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opportunities for work for Indians

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and opportunities for work for Filipinos.

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All three of those are homegrown basis for us.

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We're bridging the economic gap

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between North America, South America and rest of world.

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And how are we doing that?

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We're finding virtual assistants,

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helping them become what we call digital ambassadors

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and helping them understand how to help brands

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at maximum capacity.

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Most of these individuals don't even know LinkedIn exists.

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They've never heard Canva,

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they've never read Rich Dad Port Ad,

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they don't know about Think and Grow Rich.

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We are blessed with so many opportunities

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and we're trying to help them understand that.

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If you have a Latino friend of yours,

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we have our Latino podcast.

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Send your Latino friends our way.

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I guarantee you they have inspiring stories

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that they should be sharing with the world.

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And if they would share that,

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they would be a light and a beacon of hope

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for those who don't realize

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just how many opportunities exist out there.

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We have got 8 billion people to help in the world.

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Join forces with us on helping

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move these initiatives forward.

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The program and training is absolutely free

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for those who get involved

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with it so we're always really excited

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to continue to build this out.

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And we don't support the current VA relationships

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that exist out there by the way.

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We call that virtual abuse.

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We see far too many entrepreneurs

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not taking care of their people

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and putting far too many hats on those people's heads

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and taking advantage.

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Entrepreneurs, visionaries, we're better than that.

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We can take an interest in the lives of those individuals.

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And what's cool is when you start taking care

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of your people, they start taking care of your vision.

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So let's get after that.

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Then there's the water project.

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The water project we're not affiliated with

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but I'm a huge fan of what they've opened my eyes to

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and I didn't realize how many people go

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without clean drinking water.

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Perhaps I didn't want to care.

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When I finally started to meditate on this

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and realized these kids leave school

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or the parents have to leave work

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in order to just find water to survive.

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Sometimes they're walking five, seven miles,

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who knows, maybe even beyond for unclean sources of water.

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You can imagine the toll that takes on their families.

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So my hope is that you'll talk about this

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with somebody over dinner or that you'll consider a friend

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that might be interested in helping

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or that you'll contribute to it.

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When you contribute, you get to see the project

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come to fruition that you select.

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You get to learn about the experience.

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When I see these kids celebrating water,

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I see kids celebrating water more than my kids

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even celebrate Christmas day.

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And that's the type of impact that we can all have

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by getting involved with this.

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So again, let's get after it.

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We got 8 billion people to help.

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And today we're gonna bring Rand back on

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and we're gonna talk about how to help each one of you

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with your visions.

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So thanks for hearing me out on this.

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And if you know of another cause

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that you'd like us to talk about,

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please drop it in the comments.

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Give us a chance to learn about it.

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You never know, I might bring it on stage.

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We also might contribute to it ourselves.

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We're always happy to dive in and see what good we can do.

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Rand, welcome to Vision Pros Live.

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Yeah, so it's just so terrific to be with you.

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I just applaud you for what you're all about

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and the way you conduct yourself

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and handle what's in front of you.

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I'm impressed.

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I'm impressed, which I've met lots of people in my life

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and some big people and some people that are well known

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and impressed me.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, brother.

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I love you, man.

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I'm excited.

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It's celebration.

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I'm actually homage, big credit to,

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I mean, I don't know if I got to see speak.

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Glenn Morshauer, the actor gave the best talk I've ever seen

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and he talked all about celebrating life.

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And I could never get involved with the hype stuff, Rand.

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I can never feel excited just to feel excited for no reason.

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But when he talked about celebrating life

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and how that's based in gratitude,

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I was like, that I can do.

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That I align with.

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So big shout out to Glenn.

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Thank you for celebrating with me.

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And I'm gonna steer us in though.

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So for thriving, who's ready for your message

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and what you're up to?

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Who's in need of picking that up too?

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Feel free to go in either of those directions or both.

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Well, lots of people go through transitions in life.

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Life is a series of endings and beginnings.

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And between those two are transitions.

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So I've yet to meet anybody who doesn't occasionally say,

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wow, what should I do next?

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I'm not confident.

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I'm not sure.

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I'm a little anxious.

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And that's life.

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Life I like to say is a series of experiments.

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And sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't.

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But you gotta have courage.

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You gotta have courage.

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There's a proportionate relationship

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between the amount of risks you're taking

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and the courage you're willing to take

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and how big life can be.

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You don't wanna play small.

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You wanna play as big as you can.

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It's not about ego.

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This is not about ego.

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This is about getting out there

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and just delivering your goods,

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the who you are out there to other people.

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And it's just marvelous when that happens.

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You mentioned celebrating life with Glenn.

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I mean, this is the thing.

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And you become attractive.

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That's the other thing.

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You're not doing this selfishly, I don't think.

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I mean, you might be, but I think

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when you're really in this place,

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you're doing it just to be this person

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and to engage with the world,

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the natural world as well as the human world.

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And when you're out there,

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you become attractive to other people.

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You got a smile on your face just automatically.

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And I see people looking at me,

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I've got the smile and they smile back.

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Sometimes they come over

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and they start having a conversation with me.

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And I'm delighted to have that conversation.

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I never know where it's gonna go.

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I hear stories about people that shock me

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and they're opening up.

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Everybody has a story.

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Everybody wants to be seen and everybody wants to be heard.

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And it's a gift I can give to listen

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and then listen hard enough to ask some follow-on questions.

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Absolutely.

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So you talked about playing small.

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It reminded me of an analogy that I love to use,

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which is nobody wants to go out to a soccer field

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and play when there's no other team.

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That's like the worst experience in the world.

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Like to go kick the ball on a goal

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and then you have to go get it and bring it back.

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And like, do I do it again?

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This feels awkward.

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We like opposition.

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We want there to be an opportunity to engage.

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We also like community and all that,

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but I think we convince ourselves so often

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that we want the path of least resistance

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when in reality that doesn't allow us to grow hardly at all.

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So I love that you talked about that.

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We also talked about the balance of slowing down

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and how to do that appropriately.

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And I think that's a key word is appropriate.

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So Rand, you remind me of in the best of ways,

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an eight-year-old or 10-year-old child, right?

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That's it right there.

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Like that smile, like you're so ready for wonder and awe

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and curiosity and movement.

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And I think there's a lot of people

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who have this interesting dream to when I'm 60, I'll retire.

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Right?

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And I like, I won't do anything again.

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I see a lot of people end up in kind of a dormant life.

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I don't want that.

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I don't see you want.

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So what's your vision for you?

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What do you see ahead?

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Because while a lot of people are slowing down

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into a state of deep rest or depression,

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you seem to just be going and getting things done,

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but in a healthy fashion.

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What's your vision?

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Well, I think my vision stems from a path

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I keep creating and building out a little bit more.

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It's really all about recognizing that I have choices.

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I have enormous power.

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And I'm telling everybody they have power too.

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The power to make these choices,

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the choice of, are you gonna be angry and fearful

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and play it small?

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Or are you gonna be positive?

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You know, being positive is an enormous thing

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you can do for you and yourself and everybody around you.

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It adds medically eight to nine to nine.

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It adds medically eight to nine years to your life.

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You wanna, aging well is not about longevity.

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It's about vitality.

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It's about zest.

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And that's a choice.

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These are all choices, being positive, taking on zest,

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wanting to engage with people.

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And, you know, my whole career as an investment banker

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has been with people who've owned companies,

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been financially successful, but they couldn't wait.

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As you were just saying a minute ago, Jackson,

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I couldn't wait to retire.

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And then I saw them later and they were flat.

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They were like, they'd shrunk.

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They weren't interesting, you know,

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they weren't in good shape before they retired

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and they were in worse shape after.

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I say, don't use the word retire, use the word rewire,

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which means look for the next thing.

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Look for the next thing that you can apply yourself to

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with joy, you know, something you're good at,

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that you've learned all those years along the way.

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Sit back and say, look, I'm gonna bring me out.

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I'm gonna wheel me out.

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And I'm gonna be kind and respectful.

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I'm gonna be curious.

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I'm gonna ask questions.

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I'm gonna listen really hard, which, you know,

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it's hard to do, you know, we all like to talk.

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It's I think a biological thing.

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We like to talk, but gotta listen.

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And when somebody says, oh, I did such and such,

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don't immediately say, well, I did that too.

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No, ask some more questions.

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If they're interested in you and there's a real connection,

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go turn around and say, hey, what was your story?

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Do you have something like that too?

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I love that.

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There'll be that moment.

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That ability to ask people, tell me more about that, right?

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That ability to help ourselves dive into the depth

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of the relationship by appreciating somebody's story.

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You know, it's such a, I guess it's a rare thing out there.

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I get to do it all the time with people.

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And so it's fun because you're right,

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there is a reciprocal effect, right?

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Once you've go van and taken a great interest in somebody,

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they tend to want to take a great interest in you.

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And if not, no harm, no foul.

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You can move on to the next relationship

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without having any sense of like hurt or loss,

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because we got 8 billion opportunities to do that.

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So it's not like you're gonna run out

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of a potential chance to have a relationship.

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So I'm grateful for you talking about that.

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You were an investment banker.

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That's, I would have never guessed.

532
00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:30,820
I don't know what I would have guessed.

533
00:22:30,820 --> 00:22:33,900
Like, I mean, I guess, you know what I would have guessed?

534
00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:34,900
What?

535
00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:36,500
No matter what you did, you were,

536
00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:39,540
you probably found a sense of purpose and happiness in it.

537
00:22:39,540 --> 00:22:40,740
You know, that's what I would have guessed

538
00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:41,820
based on who I've met.

539
00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:43,980
So talk to me about that.

540
00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:47,380
Did you have to go through a discovery path

541
00:22:47,380 --> 00:22:49,940
of like feeling completely lost

542
00:22:49,940 --> 00:22:52,500
and not being the randa that I know today?

543
00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:56,340
Or did you have some type of interesting upbringing

544
00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:57,900
that most of us don't have

545
00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:00,460
that kept you centered and moved you?

546
00:23:00,460 --> 00:23:01,780
I think you know what I'm alluding to,

547
00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:04,620
but I'd love to know how you discovered

548
00:23:04,620 --> 00:23:05,780
your path to thriving.

549
00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:10,500
I've been very fortunate and I'll be the first to say it.

550
00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:13,940
In high school, I wrote down a purpose.

551
00:23:13,940 --> 00:23:15,500
My purpose was pretty vague.

552
00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:17,220
It was to reach my potential.

553
00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:19,420
And what does that mean?

554
00:23:19,420 --> 00:23:22,020
But I've continued to refine it and change it

555
00:23:22,020 --> 00:23:26,020
and add to it and, you know, make it more, you know,

556
00:23:26,020 --> 00:23:29,700
like the person I am today, all along the line.

557
00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:32,900
I decided after a dozen years with major firms

558
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:34,580
that I really wanted to have my own firm.

559
00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:36,460
I hated meetings.

560
00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:40,860
I wanted to make choices about who my clients were

561
00:23:40,860 --> 00:23:45,860
and what kind of transactions we'd be doing with them.

562
00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:51,220
My firm was just named the best investment banking firm

563
00:23:51,420 --> 00:23:54,180
in the San Francisco Bay area in 2024

564
00:23:54,180 --> 00:23:56,740
by Wealth and Finance International.

565
00:23:56,740 --> 00:23:57,940
It's a big deal.

566
00:23:57,940 --> 00:24:00,700
And the heart of that is integrity.

567
00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:03,220
And I've had that, I've had that all along.

568
00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:07,460
It's a gift I think I can point to my father with.

569
00:24:07,460 --> 00:24:09,580
My mom's very solid too.

570
00:24:09,580 --> 00:24:12,580
And so I, you know, I point to one leg and say,

571
00:24:12,580 --> 00:24:17,060
that's dad, firm foundation on the right leg,

572
00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:20,540
moral compass, discipline.

573
00:24:20,540 --> 00:24:23,580
And I pointed to the other leg and I say, that's mom,

574
00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:27,780
curiosity, love of nature.

575
00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:31,620
And both are very involved with service

576
00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:32,740
throughout their lives.

577
00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:35,700
It's amazing how much service both of them gave.

578
00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:38,220
And I built the rest of me on top of that.

579
00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:43,220
But they gave me a gift that led to a firm foundation.

580
00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:46,460
And I made choices.

581
00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:51,180
Yeah, in the middle of the financial flow,

582
00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:53,620
I could have made choices.

583
00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:56,580
I could have made choices to work with people

584
00:24:56,580 --> 00:25:00,020
who were all about money, but nothing else.

585
00:25:00,020 --> 00:25:05,020
I could have chosen to, and those people,

586
00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:08,260
I detected very early, I didn't wanna work with them.

587
00:25:08,260 --> 00:25:10,980
And I was willing to say no,

588
00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:15,220
even if I really wanted to have another piece of business.

589
00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:17,540
I needed to have good communication with them,

590
00:25:17,540 --> 00:25:18,980
honest, open.

591
00:25:18,980 --> 00:25:21,820
I needed to feel that they were actually listening to me.

592
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:26,260
It's a little feedback loop that was pretty important.

593
00:25:26,260 --> 00:25:29,340
And the whole thing is,

594
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:32,500
you were talking about reciprocity,

595
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,260
the reciprocal relationship

596
00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:38,020
that allows a great relationship,

597
00:25:38,020 --> 00:25:43,020
whether it's business or personal, is so key in life.

598
00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:46,860
And that doesn't happen automatically.

599
00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:49,460
Some people are not well-trained,

600
00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:54,460
or maybe their personality lets them hide out a little bit.

601
00:25:54,460 --> 00:25:58,460
But I think it's okay to ask,

602
00:25:58,460 --> 00:26:00,420
to say, hey, I need this from you.

603
00:26:00,420 --> 00:26:02,100
I've done that with good friends

604
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:03,660
and they became better friends.

605
00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:08,100
I say, look, you need to give me more feedback.

606
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:09,900
You need to show up on time

607
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:13,300
and not just sort of flake and kind of show up

608
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:14,620
half an hour later.

609
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:16,900
We've got things we're trying to do.

610
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:20,100
So I'm willing to ask for things I need.

611
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:23,620
And that has always helped the relationship.

612
00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:26,620
And I've asked for support.

613
00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:27,460
I've asked for support.

614
00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:32,460
Writing the book was a prime example of that.

615
00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:36,100
It started with me sending a manuscript.

616
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:37,460
It was a good manuscript,

617
00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:40,540
but I knew it had things that needed work.

618
00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:42,540
I sent it to three friends,

619
00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:45,060
two of whom had written books themselves.

620
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:46,460
And I said, here it is.

621
00:26:46,460 --> 00:26:47,660
Tell me what you think.

622
00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:49,420
Tell me what's missing.

623
00:26:49,420 --> 00:26:51,620
Tell me what you did not know.

624
00:26:51,620 --> 00:26:54,620
Tell me what you didn't understand.

625
00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:56,700
Give me some advice.

626
00:26:56,700 --> 00:27:00,820
And I'm writing this kind of like a legacy project

627
00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:02,100
for friends and family.

628
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,180
And they all came back and said, no.

629
00:27:04,180 --> 00:27:06,580
And I said, oh no, Joseph.

630
00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:09,660
This hard work aside.

631
00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:12,860
They said, no, no, no means you have to be big with this.

632
00:27:12,860 --> 00:27:15,100
You can't just do it for friends and family.

633
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:16,460
You've got to get this published.

634
00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:17,940
You got to get out there.

635
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:21,500
And all along the way, this journey has been nothing

636
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:25,140
but fantastic and a lot of unintended consequences.

637
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:27,540
People showing, like you, Jackson,

638
00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:29,980
showing up in my life.

639
00:27:29,980 --> 00:27:33,060
Just I'm learning from you.

640
00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:36,340
And it's a joyful experience.

641
00:27:36,340 --> 00:27:38,460
And I get invitations.

642
00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:41,020
People are beginning to say,

643
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:42,900
you're a real thought leader.

644
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:43,740
Join us.

645
00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:44,660
Do this.

646
00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:46,380
And I go, thank you.

647
00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:47,300
That's what I want.

648
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:49,140
That's what I want to deliver.

649
00:27:49,140 --> 00:27:51,020
That's who I want to be.

650
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:52,700
Oh my goodness.

651
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:56,540
Rand, the amount of power that you just gave us is huge.

652
00:27:56,540 --> 00:27:57,700
I'm going to try to break this down

653
00:27:57,700 --> 00:27:59,220
for both sides of the audience.

654
00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:03,060
Those of us who already know all these concepts,

655
00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:07,420
well, how fortunate are we to be validated?

656
00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:09,820
That is one of the greatest gifts is to know that,

657
00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:13,700
okay, I should stick to my feedback loops.

658
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:15,980
Oh, I should double down on my ability

659
00:28:15,980 --> 00:28:17,540
to implement feedback.

660
00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:19,900
Those of you who are lost or who are doing,

661
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:24,140
I'm already at a whole page of notes on our conversation.

662
00:28:24,140 --> 00:28:26,980
And each one has a serious purpose.

663
00:28:26,980 --> 00:28:29,420
This is me practically journaling,

664
00:28:29,420 --> 00:28:32,380
what Rand is talking about while we're going

665
00:28:32,380 --> 00:28:36,020
and now taking the time to slow down.

666
00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:38,620
Each one of these concepts comes back into play, Visionaries.

667
00:28:38,620 --> 00:28:41,220
So a couple of the big things that I caught on here

668
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:44,380
was Rand was journaling early.

669
00:28:44,380 --> 00:28:47,380
He wrote his purpose, reaching the potential.

670
00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:50,700
And we now have technology like YouTube

671
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:53,220
where you can put one of these concepts in, right?

672
00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:56,220
Like feedback loop, what is a feedback loop?

673
00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:57,700
How do I use feedback loops?

674
00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:59,220
How can I maximize my feedbacks?

675
00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:02,140
Right into YouTube and you can find the two minute videos,

676
00:29:02,140 --> 00:29:04,660
the two to four minutes and you can unearth

677
00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:09,060
what probably took Rand and myself years to figure out.

678
00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:10,820
Like, how do we do this?

679
00:29:10,820 --> 00:29:13,620
That's all available to us right now.

680
00:29:13,620 --> 00:29:16,500
So take notes, use these concepts,

681
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:18,100
go in and dive deeper and figure out,

682
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,380
well, if Rand's that happy

683
00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:23,100
and he's enjoying this process this much

684
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:25,660
and he comes to the center, maybe I will too

685
00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:28,900
if I start adding these to my arsenal

686
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:30,500
of opportunities for growth.

687
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:34,020
So integrity, being honest, being open,

688
00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:39,020
not many people in business talk about these concepts fluidly

689
00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:42,300
that we talk about them passively.

690
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:46,060
We mention them and usually they're mentioned flippantly.

691
00:29:46,060 --> 00:29:47,660
That's not how Rand mentioned it.

692
00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:49,860
He mentioned them as core values

693
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:51,940
that he wasn't willing to sacrifice

694
00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:53,860
as he pursued relationships.

695
00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:55,500
What can we learn from that?

696
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:58,340
Asking for support.

697
00:29:58,340 --> 00:30:01,900
Now, one of the things I'll lean in towards on this

698
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,540
is some of you are not gonna get Rand's response

699
00:30:04,540 --> 00:30:06,780
when you say you're gonna write a book.

700
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:07,740
You tell your friends and family

701
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:08,860
you are gonna write a book,

702
00:30:08,860 --> 00:30:12,140
you're not gonna get a no, get out there and go big.

703
00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:14,180
You're probably gonna get met with a,

704
00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:16,300
that's never gonna work for you.

705
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:18,540
You're probably gonna get hit with

706
00:30:18,540 --> 00:30:20,900
why would anybody buy your book?

707
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:24,820
But it's probably gonna come in the soft form of

708
00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:26,740
have you thought this through?

709
00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:29,740
No, are you sure you really wanna do this?

710
00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:32,260
Let's be real, you're not an investment banker.

711
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:36,900
You haven't proved to your personal world yet

712
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:40,100
that you know how to value and appreciate

713
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:42,380
the life of success.

714
00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:46,100
So just because Denzel Washington or Steve Harvey

715
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:49,860
or Grant Cardone gets you all hyped up and excited

716
00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:52,020
about how you're gonna be just like them,

717
00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:56,140
and that's not a bad thing that you have that ambition,

718
00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:58,540
but your friends and family are probably gonna struggle

719
00:30:58,540 --> 00:31:00,980
with the idea that you're moving towards

720
00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:02,900
something ambitious and big

721
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:05,420
if you haven't proven that you can do big

722
00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:07,220
and ambitious things.

723
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:09,940
So my point with that visionary is,

724
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:12,660
don't let that eat you alive.

725
00:31:12,660 --> 00:31:16,220
Don't go jump off the cliff without a parachute either,

726
00:31:16,220 --> 00:31:20,340
but also recognize that Rand's earned

727
00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:22,620
that type of reverence and respect

728
00:31:22,620 --> 00:31:24,780
from his friends and family.

729
00:31:24,780 --> 00:31:26,660
And if you don't have that,

730
00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:28,500
then start building relationships

731
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,820
with people who will believe in you in the process,

732
00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:32,420
start putting into action the things

733
00:31:32,420 --> 00:31:34,380
that you need to put into action

734
00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:37,420
and start following the path of people like Rand

735
00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:39,180
and figuring out how the heck did he do it?

736
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:42,500
Because you can build consistency,

737
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:44,540
reliability, persistence.

738
00:31:44,540 --> 00:31:47,740
You can build success quite fast,

739
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:50,860
but not with a flip and get rich quick attitude.

740
00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:52,220
What else would you throw in there Rand?

741
00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:54,180
I know I broke down a lot and kind of took over

742
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:56,820
for a minute, but does that trigger anything?

743
00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:58,860
Any other thoughts for those who we wanna get

744
00:31:58,860 --> 00:32:00,740
on that path to thriving?

745
00:32:00,740 --> 00:32:02,980
Well, absolutely.

746
00:32:02,980 --> 00:32:04,620
One thing I just wanna say,

747
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:07,500
whether it's writing a book or some other project

748
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,540
that's a significant undertaking,

749
00:32:10,540 --> 00:32:12,580
you have to ask yourself why.

750
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:14,380
Why are you doing it?

751
00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:16,100
And if you don't have a why,

752
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,940
it's easy to get buffeted by the winds,

753
00:32:18,940 --> 00:32:20,660
the headwinds that are gonna come at you,

754
00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:22,900
those comments that you're gonna get

755
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:24,940
with somebody rolling their eyes and saying,

756
00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:28,500
I don't think it's gonna be very successful for you.

757
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:30,660
There are the things you should be working on.

758
00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:33,180
But if you have a why with your project,

759
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:35,460
with your book, with whatever it is,

760
00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:36,980
and you believe in it,

761
00:32:36,980 --> 00:32:41,060
it's a real why, then it'll sustain you.

762
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:43,180
It'll build for you.

763
00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:49,260
I also wanna talk, just mention,

764
00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:52,220
if you go to my book website, you can connect with me.

765
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:55,140
There's a page in the book website.

766
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:59,460
And I invite people, if you're asking yourself a question,

767
00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:01,660
you're just not sure, you're in a transition,

768
00:33:01,660 --> 00:33:05,660
you're a good person and you wanna be a better person,

769
00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:08,700
and you have some question you wanna engage with me about,

770
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:12,180
I am more than delighted to respond to that

771
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:17,180
and offer up to you the best that I have to suggest.

772
00:33:17,780 --> 00:33:19,740
And a lot of people have been doing that.

773
00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:21,540
And it's a delight for me.

774
00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:24,620
It's part of that feedback loop that's good.

775
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:27,860
100%, I'm gonna be the Vanna White here.

776
00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:30,340
Yes, go, go over to Rand.

777
00:33:30,340 --> 00:33:32,060
I'm doing this, visionaries.

778
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:35,220
I am trying to, I kinda, I didn't scold Rand,

779
00:33:35,220 --> 00:33:37,140
but I was like, Rand, where have you been?

780
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:39,140
I was like, I want more of you in my life

781
00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:40,780
right before we get on the show.

782
00:33:40,780 --> 00:33:43,420
I was like, Rand, I gotta get more time.

783
00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:46,220
And so don't hesitate to be persistent, visionaries.

784
00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:48,140
If you want somebody in your life,

785
00:33:48,140 --> 00:33:50,740
show them that you want them in your life.

786
00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:53,300
So I appreciate you letting us all know that.

787
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:57,620
And also exposing the reality that you care about it,

788
00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:59,860
not just from a standpoint of,

789
00:33:59,860 --> 00:34:02,660
hey, let me help this one individual,

790
00:34:02,660 --> 00:34:05,940
but hey, let me get feedback on my book.

791
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:08,500
Let me make sure that I'm guiding people the right way

792
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:09,780
and that they're getting out of it

793
00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:11,020
what I think they're getting out of it.

794
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:14,260
That's how you see the book twos and the book threes

795
00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:17,420
and the next opportunities are unlocked.

796
00:34:17,420 --> 00:34:20,980
So again, a phenomenal leadership principle

797
00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:23,980
that I see, that I don't see enough visionaries

798
00:34:23,980 --> 00:34:28,300
implementing into their discovery of their vision.

799
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:31,580
And I'll also, how do you, you talked about the why.

800
00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:33,420
The why matters tremendously to me.

801
00:34:33,420 --> 00:34:34,940
And I have a lot of whys.

802
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:36,500
I learned that if I stack my whys,

803
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:39,900
I get that much more fortified for what I do.

804
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:42,260
And I meet a lot of people, Rand,

805
00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:46,540
who their why is because other people

806
00:34:46,540 --> 00:34:48,500
tell them they should do it, right?

807
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,300
And imagine you're great at cold calling,

808
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:52,180
but you hate cold calling.

809
00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:53,460
But every company you go to

810
00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:55,220
just wants you to be that cold color.

811
00:34:55,220 --> 00:34:56,540
Because why?

812
00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:58,540
Well, you're great at it and nobody wants to do it.

813
00:34:58,540 --> 00:35:01,580
So let's make you that guy.

814
00:35:01,580 --> 00:35:05,020
How do you escape a why that is driven

815
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:08,820
by popular belief or external sources

816
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:12,740
and gravitate towards developing your own sense

817
00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:14,100
of why and purpose?

818
00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:19,140
This is an extraordinarily fundamental issue.

819
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:22,980
And it's, if you're gonna be a leader,

820
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:25,660
you're gonna lead yourself

821
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:28,100
and you're gonna manage yourself well,

822
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:31,500
then you're gonna be doing a deep dive

823
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:33,180
into who you are and what you stand for

824
00:35:33,180 --> 00:35:34,900
and what you don't stand for

825
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:36,980
or what you won't stand for.

826
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:38,300
And that takes work.

827
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:40,460
And you gotta keep doing work

828
00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:43,860
because every few years you might be a bit different.

829
00:35:43,860 --> 00:35:46,140
And certainly the world around you

830
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:48,020
is gonna be a bit different.

831
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:52,420
So it comes from that, that willingness,

832
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:57,420
that hunger even to say, I wanna know who I am.

833
00:35:57,420 --> 00:36:00,220
I wanna know what I'm good at.

834
00:36:00,220 --> 00:36:02,860
Okay, I wanna just, yeah, I'm pretty clear,

835
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:04,580
but I wanna get even sharper about that.

836
00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:07,660
And I wanna know where I could improve.

837
00:36:07,660 --> 00:36:11,500
And this is a sheet here you're doing for yourself.

838
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:14,100
You don't have to worry about anybody else.

839
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,460
You can then define so many things for yourself,

840
00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:19,460
like success.

841
00:36:19,460 --> 00:36:21,540
Defining success your way

842
00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:25,100
is an enormously important thing to do.

843
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:26,700
It's in your power.

844
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,500
You don't have to say just because the neighbor,

845
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:32,300
roll down the street with the fancy new car

846
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:34,180
that you have to go get one.

847
00:36:34,180 --> 00:36:38,460
You don't have to be comparing yourself.

848
00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:40,820
Just compare yourself to your former self.

849
00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:44,340
I love that you talked about knowing yourself.

850
00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:46,500
It makes me wanna go all Tarzan on you guys.

851
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:50,100
And I wanna know, please show me.

852
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:52,620
Mr. Phil Collins, thank you for that song, by the way.

853
00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:54,820
You guys can look it up, I won't ruin it.

854
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:59,820
So the process of discovering the strangers like him,

855
00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:03,340
in this case, in this Disney flick or in this story,

856
00:37:03,340 --> 00:37:06,740
we're talking about somebody who grew up with gorillas

857
00:37:06,740 --> 00:37:09,300
and then discovered people who were kind of like him.

858
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:14,300
But he was just curious to figure out who he really was

859
00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:18,620
and where he actually came from

860
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:21,300
and expanded his horizons and visions.

861
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:24,060
The parallel of that story to who we are,

862
00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:26,260
maybe we're not surrounded by gorillas,

863
00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:29,220
but I think a lot of us are surrounded by people

864
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:30,580
who are very, very lost

865
00:37:30,580 --> 00:37:32,420
and in what's called an agentic state.

866
00:37:32,420 --> 00:37:34,460
You can also look that one up.

867
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:38,020
And the point is, how do we really dive in

868
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:39,940
to being ourselves?

869
00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:42,980
And again, back to the book, the thriving process.

870
00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:45,900
So what is a question?

871
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:48,260
Before I go into my favorite question,

872
00:37:48,260 --> 00:37:50,980
what's a question that you're not typically asked

873
00:37:50,980 --> 00:37:54,220
that you're like, I wish more people would ask this

874
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:57,980
so I could unlock this process for people?

875
00:37:57,980 --> 00:37:59,220
What would it be, Rand?

876
00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:03,580
There are probably a few of them,

877
00:38:03,580 --> 00:38:07,940
but the one I wanna talk about right now is,

878
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:10,220
I wish people would ask me more about the difference

879
00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:12,460
between leadership and management.

880
00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:16,260
Unfortunately, our language is a little bit sloppy

881
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:18,820
and those two words, leadership and management,

882
00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:21,420
people use interchangeably often,

883
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:25,460
but they're radically different, radically different things.

884
00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:30,100
Leadership is doing the right things

885
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:32,180
and management is doing them right.

886
00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:34,260
Or as Stephen Covey says,

887
00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:37,780
management is operational efficiency

888
00:38:37,780 --> 00:38:39,980
and climbing the ladder to success.

889
00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:42,060
But leadership is determining

890
00:38:42,060 --> 00:38:44,260
whether the ladder's on the right wall.

891
00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:48,020
So this issue of leadership and management

892
00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:53,020
pertains to yourself, your own self as you navigate forward.

893
00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:56,460
I have a chapter in the book early on

894
00:38:56,460 --> 00:39:01,460
in the foundational part of building thriving personally,

895
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:04,660
is managing yourself, managing yourself.

896
00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:06,820
And before that, I talk about building character,

897
00:39:06,820 --> 00:39:09,380
which is sort of the leadership of yourself.

898
00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:10,460
But you're doing it for yourself,

899
00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:13,460
but then you can do it with others.

900
00:39:13,460 --> 00:39:16,260
You can have other, engage with other people,

901
00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:18,180
whether it's in your neighborhood

902
00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:20,980
or whether it's in an organization you belong to,

903
00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:23,460
maybe it's at the job.

904
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:25,900
This becomes a hugely important thing.

905
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:28,940
Not very many people are good at both.

906
00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:32,620
I'm a much better leader because I have vision

907
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:35,060
and I can articulate the vision

908
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:37,900
and create alignment about it.

909
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,100
Management is something I continue to work on.

910
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:46,060
I have some limitations that I'm working on

911
00:39:46,060 --> 00:39:49,900
and working through that had to do with my interaction skills

912
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:52,900
and my building out more empathy.

913
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:57,540
Those are important things when you're managing people

914
00:39:57,540 --> 00:39:59,140
in a process.

915
00:39:59,140 --> 00:40:03,620
They are the, I got chills with how clear you were

916
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:05,780
about that difference between leadership and management

917
00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:07,580
and the way that you said both those concepts,

918
00:40:07,580 --> 00:40:09,380
both the one you said before, Stephen Covey

919
00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:11,340
and Stephen Covey's, you guys can go back

920
00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:15,700
and listen to those realities and try to hang on to them.

921
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:18,140
Maybe put a sticky note on your computer

922
00:40:18,140 --> 00:40:21,940
that reminds you about that opportunity for a little while.

923
00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:26,060
One addition I would make to it as well is the E-Myth.

924
00:40:26,060 --> 00:40:31,060
Michael Gerber's ability to break down the technician,

925
00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:34,460
the manager and the visionary that's within all of us

926
00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:37,420
and understanding how to create harmony

927
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:39,540
but also know which side we gravitate towards

928
00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:41,500
and what we want to do.

929
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:43,180
And the visionary living in the future,

930
00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:45,420
the technician living in the present

931
00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:47,860
and the manager living in the past.

932
00:40:47,860 --> 00:40:51,460
And that concept helps me better understand

933
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:56,460
that there's a healthy dose and a need for all three.

934
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:57,860
But it's also why it's so important.

935
00:40:57,860 --> 00:41:02,740
If you're gonna thrive with a legacy

936
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:05,340
that is designed as a vision for helping

937
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:07,900
and serving others and having others involved,

938
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:09,620
it's not something that's very,

939
00:41:09,620 --> 00:41:12,140
I've never seen how to do it by yourself.

940
00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:13,900
It usually requires a team,

941
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:16,260
which is where the empathy thing comes into play

942
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:17,820
that Rand mentioned as well.

943
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:20,860
So diving into my favorite question now,

944
00:41:20,860 --> 00:41:25,660
if this was your last opportunity Rand to ever speak,

945
00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:27,660
what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn

946
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:29,060
from your experience?

947
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:34,060
Well, that gives me pause, my last chance to speak.

948
00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:36,060
Wow.

949
00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:42,260
I would just encourage people, regardless of their age,

950
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:46,220
I don't think it's a young person's question necessarily,

951
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:49,300
but when you're in your 30s and then beyond,

952
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:54,140
and certainly going well into your 70s and 80s and beyond,

953
00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:57,020
it's good to think about,

954
00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:58,740
as we've been talking about, who you are

955
00:41:58,740 --> 00:42:01,900
and what is the legacy you wanna live.

956
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:05,100
So you don't wanna be carving your name

957
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:07,060
just on marble when you're gone.

958
00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:10,620
You wanna be carving your name on hearts now.

959
00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:12,420
So fill that out.

960
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:14,380
What is your legacy?

961
00:42:14,380 --> 00:42:16,580
And once you, and write it down,

962
00:42:16,580 --> 00:42:18,540
that's gonna make it real for you.

963
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:22,420
You'll see the holes, you'll see where it kinda trailed off

964
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:24,100
and you gotta say, oh, I keep working at it.

965
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:26,580
But at some point you'll say, okay,

966
00:42:26,580 --> 00:42:29,140
I'm good with this for now and I'll keep,

967
00:42:29,140 --> 00:42:32,100
when I come back to it, I wanna focus on it again,

968
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:33,700
I'll make it even better.

969
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:40,700
But then start living that legacy, start living it now.

970
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:43,340
I love that.

971
00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:47,020
I'm gonna get that processed in my brain

972
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:49,860
as well as written down for all of us,

973
00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:51,540
at least a rendition of that.

974
00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:53,700
And I love that you highlight

975
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:56,540
that it really doesn't matter your age, right?

976
00:42:56,540 --> 00:42:57,940
This is something to think through.

977
00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:02,300
And this is the whole purpose and point of optimization, right?

978
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,340
Optimization is about change.

979
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:07,300
An old school word that most of society hates,

980
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:10,900
repentance, repentance is change, right?

981
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:12,060
That's all it is.

982
00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:15,220
The ability to adjust and to move towards light

983
00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:17,740
or to move towards more opportunity,

984
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:19,220
that's really what it's all about.

985
00:43:19,220 --> 00:43:24,220
And I feel a deep pain for all the people who wait

986
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:30,380
and who waited and missed it.

987
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:32,700
Wow, I don't want that.

988
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:34,580
I never wanted that.

989
00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:37,940
And so I would rather, if I had to choose, right?

990
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:38,780
The nice thing about life

991
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:41,660
is you don't have to choose in most cases.

992
00:43:41,660 --> 00:43:46,660
But if I had to choose between living a long life

993
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:52,420
and not having a purpose or having a purpose

994
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:53,980
and living a very short life,

995
00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:57,900
I would choose a very short life, 100%.

996
00:43:57,900 --> 00:43:59,980
I want that feeling.

997
00:43:59,980 --> 00:44:02,580
I know what that feeling means to me.

998
00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:03,540
And if those of you listening,

999
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:06,500
and if you got a purpose that's huge, that inspires you,

1000
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:08,100
don't hesitate, leave it in the comments.

1001
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,620
Maybe use this as an exercise right now.

1002
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:13,740
Say, I'm gonna write down what that legacy looks like.

1003
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:16,260
Knowing that, yeah, some people might come in and attack it

1004
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:19,780
and say that's dumb, but not Rand and I.

1005
00:44:19,780 --> 00:44:21,180
Not the great leaders out there

1006
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:23,460
who wanna see you succeed and move towards that.

1007
00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:26,940
You can recognize the true colors of your friends

1008
00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:31,660
by knowing how do they react, respond, support, run,

1009
00:44:31,660 --> 00:44:33,540
hide, make fun of, et cetera,

1010
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:36,300
when you tell them your true purpose.

1011
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:40,660
And if they don't honor you, then move away.

1012
00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:42,660
Go towards people who will honor you.

1013
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:44,060
Rand, thoughts on that?

1014
00:44:44,060 --> 00:44:47,340
Yeah, this is a stellar, stellar point.

1015
00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:51,980
I hope everybody listens to what Jackson says.

1016
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:53,100
Listen again and again.

1017
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:55,660
That was just a huge point.

1018
00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:58,740
How many people, think about it, take a moment,

1019
00:44:58,740 --> 00:45:00,380
think about the people in your life,

1020
00:45:00,380 --> 00:45:03,580
the people you call friends, the people are really close.

1021
00:45:03,580 --> 00:45:06,820
I mean, it's often said that you are the average

1022
00:45:06,820 --> 00:45:09,300
of the five people you spend the most time with.

1023
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,740
Well, gosh, is that a good thing?

1024
00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:13,740
Is that a bad thing?

1025
00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:17,580
Do you need to upgrade the DNA and everything else around it?

1026
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:20,420
But this idea that Jackson just mentioned,

1027
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:26,100
if the people around you are not watching you

1028
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:29,140
and supporting you, if they're naysayers,

1029
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:33,300
they're just dragging you into another kind of spiral down,

1030
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:37,580
they're wasting time, they're wasting your energy,

1031
00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:40,780
your life force, then you need to think about,

1032
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:44,100
I need some other people, I need some new people

1033
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:47,340
who are going to be aligned with me

1034
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:49,780
and who are gonna also stretch me.

1035
00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:51,380
That's great.

1036
00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:54,860
Teach me some stuff and hopefully I can teach you stuff.

1037
00:45:54,860 --> 00:45:57,220
That's the reciprocity thing.

1038
00:45:57,220 --> 00:46:01,940
So, I like to say when I'm doing a public talk,

1039
00:46:01,940 --> 00:46:05,380
I bring out my little VW plastic bus

1040
00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:09,220
and I say, you can design your own life.

1041
00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:11,180
You can be the author of your own story.

1042
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:13,380
And so here you are in the bus.

1043
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:15,140
Are you driving a bus?

1044
00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:16,660
Well, if you're driving a bus,

1045
00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:20,140
you're deciding how fast to go, when to stop,

1046
00:46:20,140 --> 00:46:22,740
when to turn right, when to turn left,

1047
00:46:22,740 --> 00:46:28,820
who to invite on your bus and who to invite off your bus.

1048
00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:29,900
This is power.

1049
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:31,420
You've got it. You've got it.

1050
00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:33,020
We've all had that power.

1051
00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:37,620
It's just a matter of unleashing it, letting it go.

1052
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:39,940
I love it. And I feel that power.

1053
00:46:39,940 --> 00:46:43,980
My visionary friends out there, we have been just so blessed

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with all sorts of milestones, opportunities, resources,

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vehicles to move down and discover our path to thriving.

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You say move down, you can say move up, you can say move across.

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But the point is stay focused on these principles.

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Dive in to what thriving looks like for you.

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Journal it. Read more about it.

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Slow down as Rand talked about.

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Again, Rand, you gave us so much value and wisdom today.

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I'm going to be using...

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The reason why I take these notes is for myself,

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my own ability to be able to implement.

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And normally in these episodes, I have a lot of uplifting

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experiences and two to three takeaways.

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This one, it was just like, take away, take away, take away, take away.

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So those of you who didn't catch that,

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maybe considering going back with your listening ears more on to.

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And of course, check out the book, Thriving, with author Rand Selig.

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Reach out to him, connect to them.

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Down below the show, we're going to have the action steps where you can get

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involved with his brand and then down below that, we're also going to list

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these resources and I may do something different this time.

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I may even go ahead and just do the YouTube searches and add those YouTube

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searches that I will do for myself or that I would do if I was striving

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striving to find my path to thriving.

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And I hope that at least if it even blesses one of your lives,

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then this entire episode was super worth it.

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So, Rand, thank you for being here today.

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I'll let you close. Any final thoughts before I shut it down?

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Well, we've covered a lot of really, I think, juicy ground nuggets,

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nuggets, really great nuggets.

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And I just want to mention the subtitle of my book, I think says a lot too.

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It says how to create a healthier, happier and more prosperous life.

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So those are different domains, but they intersect.

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It's not about a balance.

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It's about an integration of things.

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When you're when you have purpose and you and you and you have you're on a path

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where you can deliver your talents and skills, that'll lead to some prosperity.

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Again, you define what how much you need to have.

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You can decide when is enough.

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That'll lead to and you can commit to healthiness, health, healthy,

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a healthy, emotionally healthy, physically healthy.

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And that will lead to happiness.

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So these are all just bite in, bite in.

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It's a tasty piece of fruit.

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Well, it's they're integrated, right?

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You talked about that and Jake Larson, video power, it's my favorite mentor in life.

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And he he I recently saw he's the one who taught me about the balancing concept

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of plate spinners, and that was really helpful from a standpoint of realizing

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some plates need more attention than others.

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But he's moved towards that that integrative idea as well.

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And now I with the way that you articulated today, I can now see, well,

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wait a second, if my happiness is improving, then that's creating

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improvement for my purpose.

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And so they're both stabilizing and strengthening each other.

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It contributes to what some psychologists call a virtuous cycle for your life.

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And so all three of those that you talked about, those those spheres,

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healthier, happier, purpose filled, healthier was the first one, right?

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How to create a healthier, happier.

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I want to make sure because I'm thinking of health right now.

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I was like, wait a second, because I wasn't actually thinking physically.

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I was thinking mentally and spiritually.

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But that, you know, when we when we can go back towards the founding principles

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and the open minded nature of this is different for all of us,

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then we can unlock the best path for ourselves.

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So, Rand, thanks again.

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Vision Pros, we will see you on the next episode.

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And by the way, top right corner, be our guest if you want to come on

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and share your vision with our audience.

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Thank you for being here today.

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I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes

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continue to move forward.

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This is going to get more and more fun.

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We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show.

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And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a vision for yourself.