and a lot of stuff going on in life.
That's life for all of us, right?
There's always moving parts.
And so staying centered around thriving.
You know, what's the connection in your opinion
between surviving and thriving?
Is there one?
Are they polar opposites that never talk?
Do they overlap?
What are your thoughts on that, Rand?
Well, we all have to survive.
And the question is, do you go beyond surviving
into a different place?
I mean, you know, thriving is the climate.
It's an average over time.
It's not today's weather.
So at any point in time,
you could have something you're struggling with.
And you know, you're just reminding yourself
to take some deep breaths.
You're surviving.
You're surviving at that moment.
But if you're on top of things
and you're following a process that's helpful to you,
then you can be thriving.
And then surviving is just something, you know,
in your rear view mirror or, you know,
platform below your feet.
I love that.
And we are talking to an expert right now
in terms of thriving.
Rand has proven that in tremendous capacity with me.
Our first interview that we did,
I grilled Rand on all things authoring a book
and how to move through that.
And the grace he's shown,
the work and ethics that he put into
creating such a great book.
The types of people he's working with
to bring that book to fruition.
There's so much we gleaned from that episode.
I don't wanna actually ruin that episode for you.
I highly recommend going back
and listening to my first episode with Rand.
And I don't do that often, my friends.
I move forward with life.
I say, let's go produce, not consume.
Rand is somebody you wanna consume from.
He's got a lot of depths that well.
So Rand, I've gotten a little bit of bromance
out of the way.
But there's so much that you've unpacked and uncovered
in your decades on this earth.
What are three resources that, you know,
out of all that time that you've put into dedicating
a life towards thriving
that you'd recommend other visionary leaders lean into
to help them as they produce their visions
and lead their lives?
Well, resource number one is just continue
to be a lifelong learner and read, read, read, read.
So I wanna just call out two books
that were amazingly important for me.
One is called Positive Intelligence.
And the other is called the Disciplined, or sorry,
Essentialism.
The subtitle is The Disciplined Pursuit of Less.
Both those books along with another 70 books,
I've got a paragraph, a paragraph about each one
is in the back of my book.
Depending on what you're most interested in,
whether it's, you know, spiritual stuff
or whether it's money stuff or just becoming
a stronger, better person, there's books in there for you.
And I have a paragraph about each one.
Both those books I just mentioned, Positive Intelligence
and Disciplined Pursuit of, sorry, Essentialism
are both in there.
I would say as a technique, which is a little bit,
it's sort of a resource,
but your own resource is journaling.
I was just mentioning before we came on the show,
mentioning to Jackson how last night on a plane ride
coming home from the East Coast,
I wrote some notes myself and just took a look.
What's going on?
I've got a huge amount of things going on
and I'm handling it really well.
I've got these broad shoulders and I'm a warrior,
but I've had, yeah, yeah, I've had some stress
and I had to take a look at that stress
and by looking at it and identifying
some of the elements of stress,
I now could say I know how to deal with that stress better.
And that was a gift, a gift to myself.
It's a huge resource.
I love that, a gift to myself.
So you gave me like 100 resources already,
which is amazing, but I'm gonna boil that down.
You said read, right?
That's one of the big ones, which is great
because we're gonna put together a guide for that.
Same thing on the journaling aspect.
So I caught those two.
Do you have a third one in it?
I know again, I've got 70 books in there,
positive and total essentialism,
but let's dive deep into Ranswell.
What's the technique or resource?
Yeah, I'm gonna today and tomorrow I could have two others,
but right now I'm thinking about slowing things down,
taking care of yourself in that way.
People I keep talking to, they're feeling overwhelmed.
They're just pedaling way too fast.
And it's not that what they're working on isn't important.
And it's not that they're not doing a good job with it,
but they need to keep taking deep breaths.
Take that walk outdoors.
Hopefully the weather will accommodate,
but if not, throw another layer on.
And get out there, slow things down.
I love that.
Look, open your eyes and don't,
if you wanna do a podcast or you love Jackson like I do,
okay, you can listen to that,
but don't listen the whole time.
Take it out, be by yourself.
Listen and look, open your eyes and see the little bugs
and the leaves and the changes of seasons
and all those things.
You will be healthier and better and happier if you do that.
I love that.
I agree too.
That's last night I spent about an hour and a half,
maybe almost two hours listening
to a podcast called Man Talks.
And Connor, I can't remember the last name,
but Connor B.
What an amazing teacher.
And he talked about breath work and slowing down
and how our exterior can feel centered
while an interior can feel completely overwhelmed
or our exterior can feel calm,
but our interior can feel completely overwhelmed.
And it was really helpful.
His stuff, looking at some of his popular beliefs
in relation to anxious attachment disorders.
That's something that I correlate well with.
I'd never heard of it before until a couple of weeks ago.
And again, he ties that anxious attachment disorder
to certain techniques like breath work
that one can do to unlock what I call clean energy.
Thank you, Taylor Welch for that.
And you talked about it, going outside, right?
Spending time in nature,
realizing our connection with the entire earth.
That is a phenomenal opportunity.
I love that you said that will lead to happiness.
I can't disagree with that.
I do think that's a very important absolute
that if people aren't engaged with earth,
they're missing out on a level of centeredness
and happiness that only comes in my opinion
from spending some time in nature.
Thank you for that.
Yeah, no, my pleasure.
All right, so I'm gonna throw down one more time.
We'll probably mention it later too.
He's got this great book, Ryan's got this great book
called Thriving Chip Conley of Peak.
Left a great recommendation for it as well.
How to create a healthier, happier,
and more prosperous life.
So we're gonna come right back after a short break.
We're gonna dive in with the author himself, of course.
And I'm gonna see how much I can extract from Rand
outside of the realm of the book as well.
That way you guys get as much as possible out of this.
And really selfishly,
I get as much as possible out of this time too.
So we'll see you guys on the other side.
All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live.
With Jackson Callum, I'm your show host.
We will be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs
and guest leaders who are building fantastic visions
out there.
Hey there and welcome in to another episode
of Vision Pros Live.
I'm your show host, Jackson Callum, founder and CEO
of First Class Business.
And I'm super excited to have Rand Sellegon today.
This man is a legend.
He really is.
The way he came in and got to know me in the first session,
the way he just honored us throughout the process,
this guy knows how to be a guest at the highest levels.
And we got some great guests.
We have some great people.
Again, nothing to put down on anybody who's been on,
but think about it.
We got like 2000 episodes now,
tons and tons and tons and tons of leaders.
And I'm telling you, Rand stands out
among the absolute best of them.
So definitely check out his book, Thriving,
see what it is there
and give this guy a call.
I think most of us hide from authors
and we think they're like recluse people
who don't wanna talk to the world or they're too cool
or like JK Rowling and they've got too many friends already.
So what would they know?
Like reach out to leaders like this,
get the essence of how is it that they cram so much knowledge
into all these pages so eloquently
and just imagine what they can give beyond that.
So we're gonna dive in and take advantage of that
in just a minute.
Some other resources,
people who have also released it out to us,
resources around the world
that people don't know how to access.
First one is hardtokill.org with Dave Marl.
Hardtokill.org is on a mission
to help 100,000 veterans lose 2 million pounds collectively.
And Dave is the man to lead that cause.
What's really cool is he opened Hard to Kill Now
to civilians like myself
and it has made a massive impact on my health.
Guys, I have no reason to say that by the way,
no, like none.
I could tell you all about all the cool stories
that he's done for others,
but in the last days,
I have successfully managed to stay the skinny fat guy.
And all of the wonderful health people that I've met
and personal trends and beyond,
nobody got me moving into action until Dave Marl.
He's that awesome what he does.
And he's far more loving than that book title says,
Harden the F Up.
He doesn't come at you like that either,
but he does understand that a lot of the military folks,
when they get out of military service,
they lose their routines,
they lose track of their habits,
they begin to fall in some severe depression.
So if you know somebody who's military,
send them Dave's way,
have them check out the podcast
and come join the community over there
so we can all look good, feel good and go about doing good.
Check out Dave's story, by the way, Dave Marl,
Afghanistan, just Google that
and see what the New York Times,
how he was getting involved with helping people,
our allies in the process of what was going on in Afghanistan.
Then there's,
Opre de la Isetrajo para Latinos.
That's opportunities for work for Latinos,
opportunities for work for Indians
and opportunities for work for Filipinos.
All three of those are homegrown basis for us.
We're bridging the economic gap
between North America, South America and rest of world.
And how are we doing that?
We're finding virtual assistants,
helping them become what we call digital ambassadors
and helping them understand how to help brands
at maximum capacity.
Most of these individuals don't even know LinkedIn exists.
They've never heard Canva,
they've never read Rich Dad Port Ad,
they don't know about Think and Grow Rich.
We are blessed with so many opportunities
and we're trying to help them understand that.
If you have a Latino friend of yours,
we have our Latino podcast.
Send your Latino friends our way.
I guarantee you they have inspiring stories
that they should be sharing with the world.
And if they would share that,
they would be a light and a beacon of hope
for those who don't realize
just how many opportunities exist out there.
We have got 8 billion people to help in the world.
Join forces with us on helping
move these initiatives forward.
The program and training is absolutely free
for those who get involved
with it so we're always really excited
to continue to build this out.
And we don't support the current VA relationships
that exist out there by the way.
We call that virtual abuse.
We see far too many entrepreneurs
not taking care of their people
and putting far too many hats on those people's heads
and taking advantage.
Entrepreneurs, visionaries, we're better than that.
We can take an interest in the lives of those individuals.
And what's cool is when you start taking care
of your people, they start taking care of your vision.
So let's get after that.
Then there's the water project.
The water project we're not affiliated with
but I'm a huge fan of what they've opened my eyes to
and I didn't realize how many people go
without clean drinking water.
Perhaps I didn't want to care.
When I finally started to meditate on this
and realized these kids leave school
or the parents have to leave work
in order to just find water to survive.
Sometimes they're walking five, seven miles,
who knows, maybe even beyond for unclean sources of water.
You can imagine the toll that takes on their families.
So my hope is that you'll talk about this
with somebody over dinner or that you'll consider a friend
that might be interested in helping
or that you'll contribute to it.
When you contribute, you get to see the project
come to fruition that you select.
You get to learn about the experience.
When I see these kids celebrating water,
I see kids celebrating water more than my kids
even celebrate Christmas day.
And that's the type of impact that we can all have
by getting involved with this.
So again, let's get after it.
We got 8 billion people to help.
And today we're gonna bring Rand back on
and we're gonna talk about how to help each one of you
with your visions.
So thanks for hearing me out on this.
And if you know of another cause
that you'd like us to talk about,
please drop it in the comments.
Give us a chance to learn about it.
You never know, I might bring it on stage.
We also might contribute to it ourselves.
We're always happy to dive in and see what good we can do.
Rand, welcome to Vision Pros Live.
Yeah, so it's just so terrific to be with you.
I just applaud you for what you're all about
and the way you conduct yourself
and handle what's in front of you.
I'm impressed.
I'm impressed, which I've met lots of people in my life
and some big people and some people that are well known
and impressed me.
Thank you.
Thank you, brother.
I love you, man.
I'm excited.
It's celebration.
I'm actually homage, big credit to,
I mean, I don't know if I got to see speak.
Glenn Morshauer, the actor gave the best talk I've ever seen
and he talked all about celebrating life.
And I could never get involved with the hype stuff, Rand.
I can never feel excited just to feel excited for no reason.
But when he talked about celebrating life
and how that's based in gratitude,
I was like, that I can do.
That I align with.
So big shout out to Glenn.
Thank you for celebrating with me.
And I'm gonna steer us in though.
So for thriving, who's ready for your message
and what you're up to?
Who's in need of picking that up too?
Feel free to go in either of those directions or both.
Well, lots of people go through transitions in life.
Life is a series of endings and beginnings.
And between those two are transitions.
So I've yet to meet anybody who doesn't occasionally say,
wow, what should I do next?
I'm not confident.
I'm not sure.
I'm a little anxious.
And that's life.
Life I like to say is a series of experiments.
And sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't.
But you gotta have courage.
You gotta have courage.
There's a proportionate relationship
between the amount of risks you're taking
and the courage you're willing to take
and how big life can be.
You don't wanna play small.
You wanna play as big as you can.
It's not about ego.
This is not about ego.
This is about getting out there
and just delivering your goods,
the who you are out there to other people.
And it's just marvelous when that happens.
You mentioned celebrating life with Glenn.
I mean, this is the thing.
And you become attractive.
That's the other thing.
You're not doing this selfishly, I don't think.
I mean, you might be, but I think
when you're really in this place,
you're doing it just to be this person
and to engage with the world,
the natural world as well as the human world.
And when you're out there,
you become attractive to other people.
You got a smile on your face just automatically.
And I see people looking at me,
I've got the smile and they smile back.
Sometimes they come over
and they start having a conversation with me.
And I'm delighted to have that conversation.
I never know where it's gonna go.
I hear stories about people that shock me
and they're opening up.
Everybody has a story.
Everybody wants to be seen and everybody wants to be heard.
And it's a gift I can give to listen
and then listen hard enough to ask some follow-on questions.
Absolutely.
So you talked about playing small.
It reminded me of an analogy that I love to use,
which is nobody wants to go out to a soccer field
and play when there's no other team.
That's like the worst experience in the world.
Like to go kick the ball on a goal
and then you have to go get it and bring it back.
And like, do I do it again?
This feels awkward.
We like opposition.
We want there to be an opportunity to engage.
We also like community and all that,
but I think we convince ourselves so often
that we want the path of least resistance
when in reality that doesn't allow us to grow hardly at all.
So I love that you talked about that.
We also talked about the balance of slowing down
and how to do that appropriately.
And I think that's a key word is appropriate.
So Rand, you remind me of in the best of ways,
an eight-year-old or 10-year-old child, right?
That's it right there.
Like that smile, like you're so ready for wonder and awe
and curiosity and movement.
And I think there's a lot of people
who have this interesting dream to when I'm 60, I'll retire.
Right?
And I like, I won't do anything again.
I see a lot of people end up in kind of a dormant life.
I don't want that.
I don't see you want.
So what's your vision for you?
What do you see ahead?
Because while a lot of people are slowing down
into a state of deep rest or depression,
you seem to just be going and getting things done,
but in a healthy fashion.
What's your vision?
Well, I think my vision stems from a path
I keep creating and building out a little bit more.
It's really all about recognizing that I have choices.
I have enormous power.
And I'm telling everybody they have power too.
The power to make these choices,
the choice of, are you gonna be angry and fearful
and play it small?
Or are you gonna be positive?
You know, being positive is an enormous thing
you can do for you and yourself and everybody around you.
It adds medically eight to nine to nine.
It adds medically eight to nine years to your life.
You wanna, aging well is not about longevity.
It's about vitality.
It's about zest.
And that's a choice.
These are all choices, being positive, taking on zest,
wanting to engage with people.
And, you know, my whole career as an investment banker
has been with people who've owned companies,
been financially successful, but they couldn't wait.
As you were just saying a minute ago, Jackson,
I couldn't wait to retire.
And then I saw them later and they were flat.
They were like, they'd shrunk.
They weren't interesting, you know,
they weren't in good shape before they retired
and they were in worse shape after.
I say, don't use the word retire, use the word rewire,
which means look for the next thing.
Look for the next thing that you can apply yourself to
with joy, you know, something you're good at,
that you've learned all those years along the way.
Sit back and say, look, I'm gonna bring me out.
I'm gonna wheel me out.
And I'm gonna be kind and respectful.
I'm gonna be curious.
I'm gonna ask questions.
I'm gonna listen really hard, which, you know,
it's hard to do, you know, we all like to talk.
It's I think a biological thing.
We like to talk, but gotta listen.
And when somebody says, oh, I did such and such,
don't immediately say, well, I did that too.
No, ask some more questions.
If they're interested in you and there's a real connection,
go turn around and say, hey, what was your story?
Do you have something like that too?
I love that.
There'll be that moment.
That ability to ask people, tell me more about that, right?
That ability to help ourselves dive into the depth
of the relationship by appreciating somebody's story.
You know, it's such a, I guess it's a rare thing out there.
I get to do it all the time with people.
And so it's fun because you're right,
there is a reciprocal effect, right?
Once you've go van and taken a great interest in somebody,
they tend to want to take a great interest in you.
And if not, no harm, no foul.
You can move on to the next relationship
without having any sense of like hurt or loss,
because we got 8 billion opportunities to do that.
So it's not like you're gonna run out
of a potential chance to have a relationship.
So I'm grateful for you talking about that.
You were an investment banker.
That's, I would have never guessed.
I don't know what I would have guessed.
Like, I mean, I guess, you know what I would have guessed?
What?
No matter what you did, you were,
you probably found a sense of purpose and happiness in it.
You know, that's what I would have guessed
based on who I've met.
So talk to me about that.
Did you have to go through a discovery path
of like feeling completely lost
and not being the randa that I know today?
Or did you have some type of interesting upbringing
that most of us don't have
that kept you centered and moved you?
I think you know what I'm alluding to,
but I'd love to know how you discovered
your path to thriving.
I've been very fortunate and I'll be the first to say it.
In high school, I wrote down a purpose.
My purpose was pretty vague.
It was to reach my potential.
And what does that mean?
But I've continued to refine it and change it
and add to it and, you know, make it more, you know,
like the person I am today, all along the line.
I decided after a dozen years with major firms
that I really wanted to have my own firm.
I hated meetings.
I wanted to make choices about who my clients were
and what kind of transactions we'd be doing with them.
My firm was just named the best investment banking firm
in the San Francisco Bay area in 2024
by Wealth and Finance International.
It's a big deal.
And the heart of that is integrity.
And I've had that, I've had that all along.
It's a gift I think I can point to my father with.
My mom's very solid too.
And so I, you know, I point to one leg and say,
that's dad, firm foundation on the right leg,
moral compass, discipline.
And I pointed to the other leg and I say, that's mom,
curiosity, love of nature.
And both are very involved with service
throughout their lives.
It's amazing how much service both of them gave.
And I built the rest of me on top of that.
But they gave me a gift that led to a firm foundation.
And I made choices.
Yeah, in the middle of the financial flow,
I could have made choices.
I could have made choices to work with people
who were all about money, but nothing else.
I could have chosen to, and those people,
I detected very early, I didn't wanna work with them.
And I was willing to say no,
even if I really wanted to have another piece of business.
I needed to have good communication with them,
honest, open.
I needed to feel that they were actually listening to me.
It's a little feedback loop that was pretty important.
And the whole thing is,
you were talking about reciprocity,
the reciprocal relationship
that allows a great relationship,
whether it's business or personal, is so key in life.
And that doesn't happen automatically.
Some people are not well-trained,
or maybe their personality lets them hide out a little bit.
But I think it's okay to ask,
to say, hey, I need this from you.
I've done that with good friends
and they became better friends.
I say, look, you need to give me more feedback.
You need to show up on time
and not just sort of flake and kind of show up
half an hour later.
We've got things we're trying to do.
So I'm willing to ask for things I need.
And that has always helped the relationship.
And I've asked for support.
I've asked for support.
Writing the book was a prime example of that.
It started with me sending a manuscript.
It was a good manuscript,
but I knew it had things that needed work.
I sent it to three friends,
two of whom had written books themselves.
And I said, here it is.
Tell me what you think.
Tell me what's missing.
Tell me what you did not know.
Tell me what you didn't understand.
Give me some advice.
And I'm writing this kind of like a legacy project
for friends and family.
And they all came back and said, no.
And I said, oh no, Joseph.
This hard work aside.
They said, no, no, no means you have to be big with this.
You can't just do it for friends and family.
You've got to get this published.
You got to get out there.
And all along the way, this journey has been nothing
but fantastic and a lot of unintended consequences.
People showing, like you, Jackson,
showing up in my life.
Just I'm learning from you.
And it's a joyful experience.
And I get invitations.
People are beginning to say,
you're a real thought leader.
Join us.
Do this.
And I go, thank you.
That's what I want.
That's what I want to deliver.
That's who I want to be.
Oh my goodness.
Rand, the amount of power that you just gave us is huge.
I'm going to try to break this down
for both sides of the audience.
Those of us who already know all these concepts,
well, how fortunate are we to be validated?
That is one of the greatest gifts is to know that,
okay, I should stick to my feedback loops.
Oh, I should double down on my ability
to implement feedback.
Those of you who are lost or who are doing,
I'm already at a whole page of notes on our conversation.
And each one has a serious purpose.
This is me practically journaling,
what Rand is talking about while we're going
and now taking the time to slow down.
Each one of these concepts comes back into play, Visionaries.
So a couple of the big things that I caught on here
was Rand was journaling early.
He wrote his purpose, reaching the potential.
And we now have technology like YouTube
where you can put one of these concepts in, right?
Like feedback loop, what is a feedback loop?
How do I use feedback loops?
How can I maximize my feedbacks?
Right into YouTube and you can find the two minute videos,
the two to four minutes and you can unearth
what probably took Rand and myself years to figure out.
Like, how do we do this?
That's all available to us right now.
So take notes, use these concepts,
go in and dive deeper and figure out,
well, if Rand's that happy
and he's enjoying this process this much
and he comes to the center, maybe I will too
if I start adding these to my arsenal
of opportunities for growth.
So integrity, being honest, being open,
not many people in business talk about these concepts fluidly
that we talk about them passively.
We mention them and usually they're mentioned flippantly.
That's not how Rand mentioned it.
He mentioned them as core values
that he wasn't willing to sacrifice
as he pursued relationships.
What can we learn from that?
Asking for support.
Now, one of the things I'll lean in towards on this
is some of you are not gonna get Rand's response
when you say you're gonna write a book.
You tell your friends and family
you are gonna write a book,
you're not gonna get a no, get out there and go big.
You're probably gonna get met with a,
that's never gonna work for you.
You're probably gonna get hit with
why would anybody buy your book?
But it's probably gonna come in the soft form of
have you thought this through?
No, are you sure you really wanna do this?
Let's be real, you're not an investment banker.
You haven't proved to your personal world yet
that you know how to value and appreciate
the life of success.
So just because Denzel Washington or Steve Harvey
or Grant Cardone gets you all hyped up and excited
about how you're gonna be just like them,
and that's not a bad thing that you have that ambition,
but your friends and family are probably gonna struggle
with the idea that you're moving towards
something ambitious and big
if you haven't proven that you can do big
and ambitious things.
So my point with that visionary is,
don't let that eat you alive.
Don't go jump off the cliff without a parachute either,
but also recognize that Rand's earned
that type of reverence and respect
from his friends and family.
And if you don't have that,
then start building relationships
with people who will believe in you in the process,
start putting into action the things
that you need to put into action
and start following the path of people like Rand
and figuring out how the heck did he do it?
Because you can build consistency,
reliability, persistence.
You can build success quite fast,
but not with a flip and get rich quick attitude.
What else would you throw in there Rand?
I know I broke down a lot and kind of took over
for a minute, but does that trigger anything?
Any other thoughts for those who we wanna get
on that path to thriving?
Well, absolutely.
One thing I just wanna say,
whether it's writing a book or some other project
that's a significant undertaking,
you have to ask yourself why.
Why are you doing it?
And if you don't have a why,
it's easy to get buffeted by the winds,
the headwinds that are gonna come at you,
those comments that you're gonna get
with somebody rolling their eyes and saying,
I don't think it's gonna be very successful for you.
There are the things you should be working on.
But if you have a why with your project,
with your book, with whatever it is,
and you believe in it,
it's a real why, then it'll sustain you.
It'll build for you.
I also wanna talk, just mention,
if you go to my book website, you can connect with me.
There's a page in the book website.
And I invite people, if you're asking yourself a question,
you're just not sure, you're in a transition,
you're a good person and you wanna be a better person,
and you have some question you wanna engage with me about,
I am more than delighted to respond to that
and offer up to you the best that I have to suggest.
And a lot of people have been doing that.
And it's a delight for me.
It's part of that feedback loop that's good.
100%, I'm gonna be the Vanna White here.
Yes, go, go over to Rand.
I'm doing this, visionaries.
I am trying to, I kinda, I didn't scold Rand,
but I was like, Rand, where have you been?
I was like, I want more of you in my life
right before we get on the show.
I was like, Rand, I gotta get more time.
And so don't hesitate to be persistent, visionaries.
If you want somebody in your life,
show them that you want them in your life.
So I appreciate you letting us all know that.
And also exposing the reality that you care about it,
not just from a standpoint of,
hey, let me help this one individual,
but hey, let me get feedback on my book.
Let me make sure that I'm guiding people the right way
and that they're getting out of it
what I think they're getting out of it.
That's how you see the book twos and the book threes
and the next opportunities are unlocked.
So again, a phenomenal leadership principle
that I see, that I don't see enough visionaries
implementing into their discovery of their vision.
And I'll also, how do you, you talked about the why.
The why matters tremendously to me.
And I have a lot of whys.
I learned that if I stack my whys,
I get that much more fortified for what I do.
And I meet a lot of people, Rand,
who their why is because other people
tell them they should do it, right?
And imagine you're great at cold calling,
but you hate cold calling.
But every company you go to
just wants you to be that cold color.
Because why?
Well, you're great at it and nobody wants to do it.
So let's make you that guy.
How do you escape a why that is driven
by popular belief or external sources
and gravitate towards developing your own sense
of why and purpose?
This is an extraordinarily fundamental issue.
And it's, if you're gonna be a leader,
you're gonna lead yourself
and you're gonna manage yourself well,
then you're gonna be doing a deep dive
into who you are and what you stand for
and what you don't stand for
or what you won't stand for.
And that takes work.
And you gotta keep doing work
because every few years you might be a bit different.
And certainly the world around you
is gonna be a bit different.
So it comes from that, that willingness,
that hunger even to say, I wanna know who I am.
I wanna know what I'm good at.
Okay, I wanna just, yeah, I'm pretty clear,
but I wanna get even sharper about that.
And I wanna know where I could improve.
And this is a sheet here you're doing for yourself.
You don't have to worry about anybody else.
You can then define so many things for yourself,
like success.
Defining success your way
is an enormously important thing to do.
It's in your power.
You don't have to say just because the neighbor,
roll down the street with the fancy new car
that you have to go get one.
You don't have to be comparing yourself.
Just compare yourself to your former self.
I love that you talked about knowing yourself.
It makes me wanna go all Tarzan on you guys.
And I wanna know, please show me.
Mr. Phil Collins, thank you for that song, by the way.
You guys can look it up, I won't ruin it.
So the process of discovering the strangers like him,
in this case, in this Disney flick or in this story,
we're talking about somebody who grew up with gorillas
and then discovered people who were kind of like him.
But he was just curious to figure out who he really was
and where he actually came from
and expanded his horizons and visions.
The parallel of that story to who we are,
maybe we're not surrounded by gorillas,
but I think a lot of us are surrounded by people
who are very, very lost
and in what's called an agentic state.
You can also look that one up.
And the point is, how do we really dive in
to being ourselves?
And again, back to the book, the thriving process.
So what is a question?
Before I go into my favorite question,
what's a question that you're not typically asked
that you're like, I wish more people would ask this
so I could unlock this process for people?
What would it be, Rand?
There are probably a few of them,
but the one I wanna talk about right now is,
I wish people would ask me more about the difference
between leadership and management.
Unfortunately, our language is a little bit sloppy
and those two words, leadership and management,
people use interchangeably often,
but they're radically different, radically different things.
Leadership is doing the right things
and management is doing them right.
Or as Stephen Covey says,
management is operational efficiency
and climbing the ladder to success.
But leadership is determining
whether the ladder's on the right wall.
So this issue of leadership and management
pertains to yourself, your own self as you navigate forward.
I have a chapter in the book early on
in the foundational part of building thriving personally,
is managing yourself, managing yourself.
And before that, I talk about building character,
which is sort of the leadership of yourself.
But you're doing it for yourself,
but then you can do it with others.
You can have other, engage with other people,
whether it's in your neighborhood
or whether it's in an organization you belong to,
maybe it's at the job.
This becomes a hugely important thing.
Not very many people are good at both.
I'm a much better leader because I have vision
and I can articulate the vision
and create alignment about it.
Management is something I continue to work on.
I have some limitations that I'm working on
and working through that had to do with my interaction skills
and my building out more empathy.
Those are important things when you're managing people
in a process.
They are the, I got chills with how clear you were
about that difference between leadership and management
and the way that you said both those concepts,
both the one you said before, Stephen Covey
and Stephen Covey's, you guys can go back
and listen to those realities and try to hang on to them.
Maybe put a sticky note on your computer
that reminds you about that opportunity for a little while.
One addition I would make to it as well is the E-Myth.
Michael Gerber's ability to break down the technician,
the manager and the visionary that's within all of us
and understanding how to create harmony
but also know which side we gravitate towards
and what we want to do.
And the visionary living in the future,
the technician living in the present
and the manager living in the past.
And that concept helps me better understand
that there's a healthy dose and a need for all three.
But it's also why it's so important.
If you're gonna thrive with a legacy
that is designed as a vision for helping
and serving others and having others involved,
it's not something that's very,
I've never seen how to do it by yourself.
It usually requires a team,
which is where the empathy thing comes into play
that Rand mentioned as well.
So diving into my favorite question now,
if this was your last opportunity Rand to ever speak,
what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn
from your experience?
Well, that gives me pause, my last chance to speak.
Wow.
I would just encourage people, regardless of their age,
I don't think it's a young person's question necessarily,
but when you're in your 30s and then beyond,
and certainly going well into your 70s and 80s and beyond,
it's good to think about,
as we've been talking about, who you are
and what is the legacy you wanna live.
So you don't wanna be carving your name
just on marble when you're gone.
You wanna be carving your name on hearts now.
So fill that out.
What is your legacy?
And once you, and write it down,
that's gonna make it real for you.
You'll see the holes, you'll see where it kinda trailed off
and you gotta say, oh, I keep working at it.
But at some point you'll say, okay,
I'm good with this for now and I'll keep,
when I come back to it, I wanna focus on it again,
I'll make it even better.
But then start living that legacy, start living it now.
I love that.
I'm gonna get that processed in my brain
as well as written down for all of us,
at least a rendition of that.
And I love that you highlight
that it really doesn't matter your age, right?
This is something to think through.
And this is the whole purpose and point of optimization, right?
Optimization is about change.
An old school word that most of society hates,
repentance, repentance is change, right?
That's all it is.
The ability to adjust and to move towards light
or to move towards more opportunity,
that's really what it's all about.
And I feel a deep pain for all the people who wait
and who waited and missed it.
Wow, I don't want that.
I never wanted that.
And so I would rather, if I had to choose, right?
The nice thing about life
is you don't have to choose in most cases.
But if I had to choose between living a long life
and not having a purpose or having a purpose
and living a very short life,
I would choose a very short life, 100%.
I want that feeling.
I know what that feeling means to me.
And if those of you listening,
and if you got a purpose that's huge, that inspires you,
don't hesitate, leave it in the comments.
Maybe use this as an exercise right now.
Say, I'm gonna write down what that legacy looks like.
Knowing that, yeah, some people might come in and attack it
and say that's dumb, but not Rand and I.
Not the great leaders out there
who wanna see you succeed and move towards that.
You can recognize the true colors of your friends
by knowing how do they react, respond, support, run,
hide, make fun of, et cetera,
when you tell them your true purpose.
And if they don't honor you, then move away.
Go towards people who will honor you.
Rand, thoughts on that?
Yeah, this is a stellar, stellar point.
I hope everybody listens to what Jackson says.
Listen again and again.
That was just a huge point.
How many people, think about it, take a moment,
think about the people in your life,
the people you call friends, the people are really close.
I mean, it's often said that you are the average
of the five people you spend the most time with.
Well, gosh, is that a good thing?
Is that a bad thing?
Do you need to upgrade the DNA and everything else around it?
But this idea that Jackson just mentioned,
if the people around you are not watching you
and supporting you, if they're naysayers,
they're just dragging you into another kind of spiral down,
they're wasting time, they're wasting your energy,
your life force, then you need to think about,
I need some other people, I need some new people
who are going to be aligned with me
and who are gonna also stretch me.
That's great.
Teach me some stuff and hopefully I can teach you stuff.
That's the reciprocity thing.
So, I like to say when I'm doing a public talk,
I bring out my little VW plastic bus
and I say, you can design your own life.
You can be the author of your own story.
And so here you are in the bus.
Are you driving a bus?
Well, if you're driving a bus,
you're deciding how fast to go, when to stop,
when to turn right, when to turn left,
who to invite on your bus and who to invite off your bus.
This is power.
You've got it. You've got it.
We've all had that power.
It's just a matter of unleashing it, letting it go.
I love it. And I feel that power.
My visionary friends out there, we have been just so blessed
with all sorts of milestones, opportunities, resources,
vehicles to move down and discover our path to thriving.
You say move down, you can say move up, you can say move across.
But the point is stay focused on these principles.
Dive in to what thriving looks like for you.
Journal it. Read more about it.
Slow down as Rand talked about.
Again, Rand, you gave us so much value and wisdom today.
I'm going to be using...
The reason why I take these notes is for myself,
my own ability to be able to implement.
And normally in these episodes, I have a lot of uplifting
experiences and two to three takeaways.
This one, it was just like, take away, take away, take away, take away.
So those of you who didn't catch that,
maybe considering going back with your listening ears more on to.
And of course, check out the book, Thriving, with author Rand Selig.
Reach out to him, connect to them.
Down below the show, we're going to have the action steps where you can get
involved with his brand and then down below that, we're also going to list
these resources and I may do something different this time.
I may even go ahead and just do the YouTube searches and add those YouTube
searches that I will do for myself or that I would do if I was striving
striving to find my path to thriving.
And I hope that at least if it even blesses one of your lives,
then this entire episode was super worth it.
So, Rand, thank you for being here today.
I'll let you close. Any final thoughts before I shut it down?
Well, we've covered a lot of really, I think, juicy ground nuggets,
nuggets, really great nuggets.
And I just want to mention the subtitle of my book, I think says a lot too.
It says how to create a healthier, happier and more prosperous life.
So those are different domains, but they intersect.
It's not about a balance.
It's about an integration of things.
When you're when you have purpose and you and you and you have you're on a path
where you can deliver your talents and skills, that'll lead to some prosperity.
Again, you define what how much you need to have.
You can decide when is enough.
That'll lead to and you can commit to healthiness, health, healthy,
a healthy, emotionally healthy, physically healthy.
And that will lead to happiness.
So these are all just bite in, bite in.
It's a tasty piece of fruit.
Well, it's they're integrated, right?
You talked about that and Jake Larson, video power, it's my favorite mentor in life.
And he he I recently saw he's the one who taught me about the balancing concept
of plate spinners, and that was really helpful from a standpoint of realizing
some plates need more attention than others.
But he's moved towards that that integrative idea as well.
And now I with the way that you articulated today, I can now see, well,
wait a second, if my happiness is improving, then that's creating
improvement for my purpose.
And so they're both stabilizing and strengthening each other.
It contributes to what some psychologists call a virtuous cycle for your life.
And so all three of those that you talked about, those those spheres,
healthier, happier, purpose filled, healthier was the first one, right?
How to create a healthier, happier.
I want to make sure because I'm thinking of health right now.
I was like, wait a second, because I wasn't actually thinking physically.
I was thinking mentally and spiritually.
But that, you know, when we when we can go back towards the founding principles
and the open minded nature of this is different for all of us,
then we can unlock the best path for ourselves.
So, Rand, thanks again.
Vision Pros, we will see you on the next episode.
And by the way, top right corner, be our guest if you want to come on
and share your vision with our audience.
Thank you for being here today.
I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros live.
I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes
continue to move forward.
This is going to get more and more fun.
We'll have more and more engagement as well.
We'll invite people to participate in the show.
And thank you for giving us your time and attention.
Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a vision for yourself.