Tell me about your vision in writing all of those books.
Well, my vision has always been to help people with spiritual disciplines one small step at a time.
And I'll tell you why. When I first became a believer, I had not a sweet clue how to go to
church, how to pray, how to say hello. I didn't know. Well, the one that I wrote just last year
on healing prayer, I had no idea how to do it. And eventually, of course, I became a
pastor and they don't teach those things in seminary. They don't actually I was just having
a chat with the co-writer of the Healing Prayer Book. His name is Maxi Dunham. He's now 90. He
just turned 90. I just visited him in Memphis. And the reason why I wanted to see him is because he
just turned 90. He's getting old and you know, and anyway, but he said and he was the he was the
chancellor and the president of Asbury Theological Seminary. He did not know of an American seminary
that had a course on something as ordinary and as simple as teaching pastors how to pray so they
could teach their people how to pray. And now his seminary was the first to do it in North America.
But honestly, I've been to 17 nations. I'm going to 18 and 19 in about a week. I'm going to be in
Vietnam and Cambodia next week to teach and going there for the very simple reason that I want to
teach those people some very, very basic things one small step at a time. That's the vision of
this ministry that I have. It's called Spirit Equipment. And so to do it, listen, you can have
a conference and people get all excited. And the presenter gets at the front and you know, spouts
wisdom for an hour and a half or three days, depending on the size of your conference. Then
they give them a binder and they put the binder in the shelf and they forget in three days.
Right, right. The secret sauce to change is for there to be a presentation with someone who is
engaging and an immediate follow up with a day by day routine to absorb in small steps the things
that were presented in firehose fashion at the seminar or the event. And so I've learned this
over years. I was, I'm no longer now, but I used to be the chair of a group called Alliance Pray.
And I was in charge of, I'm a pastor in the Christian Missionary Alliance. And they wanted
me to help equip prayer across the country. And so I tried all kinds of crazy things.
Yeah. We had some success in some areas, but after about 10 years of holding an event here
or putting your reserves together over there or doing something in a national meeting or holding
a district rally and all these different kinds of things that we did, we discovered that the secret
sauce is to combine an event with an engaging presenter followed by a day by day process
immediately. If you did the two things together, it led to something like 80, 85% retention of what
you learned in the seminar. If you just did the seminar, your keeners, the ones who are highly,
highly motivated, if they repeat the content within 48 hours, they'll remember half. If they
don't repeat the content within a week, they remember 10%. That's not the goal of trying to
teach. The goal of trying to teach is that your students surpass the teacher. Absolutely. That's
the goal. And so I found it Spirit Equipped. Actually, it wasn't even my idea. It was my
district superintendent's idea. So I don't know if you understand that language. You've got people
from all streams here. But in my denomination, we have what's called a presbyterial structure,
where a local pastor works with a bunch of leaders inside the church and oversees the church. Under
the oversight of someone who's called a district superintendent. So an Anglican or a Catholic would
call that a bishop or something. Yes. Okay. That kind of thing. Anyway, the bishop has teeth.
And if the pastor's an idiot, he can be fired. Rightfully so. If the board's an idiot, the board
can be fired. I've seen that too. Got it. Okay. My district superintendent looked at me one day and
he said, David, you've been doing this for years as a volunteer. You've traveled all over the earth.
You tried to help pastors in the region. You tried to train them. You tried to teach them.
I said, well, nobody taught me. He said, well, that's just it. If I could find a way to get you
paid, would you consider taking this on and writing resources and creating audio visual events and
traveling across the place to teach people? And I said, only if I could get paid. I'm a pastor.
Yeah. But it's his word. He found a way for that to work. And I'm now for you. But it wasn't my idea.
It was his. Every church I've served has grown except my last one, which first of all grew and
then it plateaued, then it started to decline. So I called him up and I said, I'm trying to figure
this out. What's going on? Have I hit the wall here? Am I past my prime? Am I no longer funny
or something like that? He went off and he prayed. And he came back three days later and he said,
I think you're supposed to be a writer, a teacher, an instructor, and an itinerant.
And you're supposed to travel. And listen, you can keep your credentials. You don't have to move.
You can stay right here. We can have a partnership with the local church. Oh, by the way,
that wasn't wise. I'll tell you why. If you used to be the lead pastor and a new guy comes in,
all the old folk who like you keep asking your opinion about the new guy.
I can definitely see that, right? Any pastor, any church, anywhere. It's not a good idea.
Not a good idea. Because listen, the old pastor, he stood with them when they were going through
a loss. He baptized, he dedicated, he traveled with them, he prayed with them, he did their
weddings. He coached them, he taught them. So they love them, right? New guy comes in,
he doesn't know them. They love the old guy. At any rate, that part didn't work, but the rest did.
So I'm now coming into my fifth year. And actually, this is really weird. I said yes
in November of 19. I started on January the 1st of 2020. And I had five conferences booked in within
the first two weeks. And I got to one of them in COVID. And so there was no international travel.
There was no local travel. I don't know what happened to you guys down here in the States,
correct? Am I correct? Yes. Well, where abouts in the States, right? San Antonio, Texas. Oh, way
south. Okay. I'm right on the southernmost tip of all things Canadian. I'm right in the great
lake space in the tip on the Canadian side. Okay. Okay. Just south of Windsor. Anyway, we weren't
allowed to travel 60 miles. Yeah. The police would take notice. And we weren't allowed to have more
than 10 people in any kind of room. And it didn't matter if it was a lawyer's office or a hospital.
And people dying in the hospital couldn't have their relatives come. It was this crazy thing.
It was awful. So I was stuck in a basement. What are you going to do? So I started to write the
resources that I wanted to develop anyway. And it led me to writing all of the books that you have
just seen. Wow. And each of them, and what I would do, this is a side door favor. I did not like Zoom
technology or the thing they're using, Riverside or whatever we're using. I didn't like it because
I thought it was rather cold and I'd much rather be in a room and hug someone come along and grab
her hand or pray for somebody by placing my hand gently on their shoulder. Doing that over Zoom,
it seemed like a very cold second. But you know what happened? Everybody had to learn it.
Everybody. Grandma and grandpa, they're in their 80s. They've got a three-year-old grandchild.
They can't see that three-year-old unless they're on the Zoom call. Absolutely. So the three-year-old
learns how to use Zoom and grandma and grandpa learn how to use Zoom or whatever the issue happened
to be. And so in that first year, I wound up with six different Zoom cohorts. And in one of them,
this is amazing. I didn't even try to do this. This Lord's Prayer book that I just showed you,
I was teaching the content that led to the writing of that book. And what I do now is I teach the
content to a select group. They tell me whether or not it's strong or weak, if you do sentence or
the story's not good enough or whatever, or if the point's not clear and you take the input and then
you adapt the book, then you're another cohort. And it was doing this. And I had people from the
Czech Republic, England, Nigeria, five American states, three Canadian provinces, Australia,
India, all in real time on the same call at the same time. And I befriended people over Zoom.
And actually in the course of time, I wound up traveling to Australia to do an event inside the
Australian church in Brisbane where the people came from. And as soon as we met, we didn't need
an introduction. Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's amazing. It's just amazing. So the blessing became
the curse. I mean, the curse became the blessing. Yeah. The first I got, the blessing became the
curse, but then I discovered the curse became the blessing. Yes, yes, definitely. But all of these
things were things that I didn't plan on doing. In fact, even the way that I learned how to do prayer
for healing is hilarious. Do you want to hear that story? Yes. Well, here's what happened. So I was
in seminary and it was a mixed kind of place. There were some people in the seminary who believed
that every word of the Bible was true. And there were some people who thought it was mythology.
And some of the faculty held one view and some of the faculty held another view. And I was starting
up in this faculty, there was about 30 students in my cohort. And I walked into a class and the
prof got up and said, you know, we don't need to believe that Jesus actually walked on the water
to make the application from the text. And I said, I do believe that Jesus walked on the water. Why
do you want to throw out the history of the histories in the Bible? And then we had this
to and fro. And there was a guy in the class who had been a standup comic and he had been a radio
talk show host where people would be obnoxious or funny and he could interact with anybody fast in
a hurry. He was brilliant. Yeah. And he was hilarious. And he decided to crack a joke
in the middle of our heated argument about the historicity of the Bible text. And everybody in
the room exploded with laughter. The trouble was he was making fun of my face. Oh, no. So the first
time you hear that, you know, the the attitude was anybody who thinks anybody can walk on water has
got to be a brain dead idiot. You know, he was doing something like this with the joke. And so I
laughed it off. You know, it's your first couple of classes. You don't know anybody. You say, okay,
well, that's that's a one off. Anyway, every time I did this, the same guy, I had three classes with
the guy, this guy week because we're a cohort with three and two electives. So I'm in these three
classes. Anyway, every single time I defended the scripture, this guy would crack a joke. The entire
class would laugh. And after about a month and a half, two months, you say to yourself, yep, we're
not going to be friends. So there's a nice girl in the class, I call her Susie in the healing
pyramid. And she was as sweet as sweet can be one of these apple pie and coffee kind of people.
She was one of the ones who'd show up if you were in trouble, it was the do unto others, you would
have them do unto you. And she was everybody's nice sister. Can I say it that way? Just absolutely
sweet, dripping with kindness. And I had to go to a class we would cross in a plaza, us going to
different classes. And so I saw her and I said, Hey, Susie, how you doing? She said, Fine. How
about you, David? I said, I'm good. She said, Well, you know, our comedian friend, I said, Yeah,
I know. She said, Well, you see that hospital six blocks down the road. I said, Yeah. And she said,
He's in it. Now, I have to tell this to you, I wasn't I wasn't sad at first. I had to immediately
repented my bad. And yes, yes, yes. Then I said, Oh, what's wrong? And she said, He's got something
called phlebitis. Now, I didn't know what it was. So I asked her, I suspect some of your people
won't. It was a blood clot in his arm. Okay. And it's a very serious thing. If the blood clot broke
free, and it's usually in a vein somewhere, blood clot breaks free, and it travels through your body
and it lands in your lung, your heart or your brain. 95 times out of 100, you're dead. Just like that.
Okay. Okay. Very, very serious. And the guy has this condition. And I hear this and I think, Oh,
man. All right. I'm sorry. And then the girl says this crazy thing to me. She said, Yeah, you know,
he asked me to ask you something. I said, What's that? He wants you to come pray for him to get
well. I said, What? So she was shocked that I said, No. And I said, You have seen the way this man is
treating me. Every single time I've said anything about anything like this being true. He has mocked
me to our peers and made me the laughing stock appearing like a brain dead idiot with a wooden
head. And she said, He's been cruel and that she never talked that way. I said, Yes, he has. And
she said, I will talk to him. So we went to my class. And the next day I saw her in the coffee
lounge. And she said, Well, I saw our friend and he still wants you to come. He's terribly sorry.
I said, I'm not going. There was another reason for not going. I had never met anybody miraculously
healed. Nobody. I'd never seen anybody pray to that end and have success or failure. It didn't
have seen it. Nobody had trained me on how to do this. The very thing that I said at the beginning
of your podcast. I had no training. I didn't know how to be skilled. I knew it was true as an article
faced, but I didn't ever know how to do this. So I'm terrified because I'm greener than your average
rookie. I have no training, but I'm terrified because I think he's setting me up to be the
laughing stock again. And I don't want to go. So the third time I'm crossing the same Plaza and
this girl sees me and she says, David, did you go and see our friend at that hospital six blocks
down the road? I said, I'm not going. Now I don't know. Have you ever been told off by your mother?
Yeah, totally. Did she give you the look?
And it was the third time she's mentioned it to you. So now it's.
Yeah. Well, she got the look, you know, it was like the fire came out of her eyes and the rage.
Now she had never, I'd never seen that girl angry with anybody. Yeah. And she stomped her foot and
she raised her voice and she actually knew my middle initial. She inserted my middle initial
and she said, David, aren't you going around this school telling everybody the Bible's the word of
God and it's supposed to be obeyed? I said, yes. She said, well, what about the scripture?
I was sick and you visited me. I went, Oh no, I'm going to have to go and see the guy.
So I looked at her. I said, well, it says sick and visited. It says sick and prayed. And of course,
I didn't know how to do it. She said sick and visited sick or prayed. He's sick. You got to go.
So I finished my class and I walked the six blocks and I go into the room and there's this guy.
And he is obviously in distress. He's pale as a ghost. He's got wires and tubes all over his body
and monitors on the side of the wall and the little cups of medication he's supposed to take
the regular interviews. A charge nurse walks out while I walk in and he's just, you know,
he looks scared. Yeah. And so I said, I didn't say how you're doing. I said, Oh, I'm here.
How's your course is going? And he told me about his courses. I talked about the weather.
And then I said, well, listen, I visited you. I can go now. And he stopped and he looked at me
and he said, aren't you, aren't you going to pray? And I said, no, wait a minute. Every single time
I've said that this is real, that this is true, that this is historical, that this is alive today.
Every time I've done that, you have mocked me in front of our peers and made me the laughing stock.
Why in the name of all that is holy, do you want me to pray for you? And he said, he burst into tears.
He just began to shed buckets of tears. He was whole physically body was moving. And he said,
I am so sorry. I did that to you. I'm so sorry, but I have phlebitis. And if that clot breaks free,
I'm dead. And I'm 27. I want to live. I've got a wife. I don't have any kids yet. I want to have a
family. You're the only guy I know who believes that every word in that book is true. Won't you
please pray for me? Yeah. Yeah. I thought to myself, Oh brother, what am I going to listen?
I still did not have a clue. I had to do it. So, but I remember, Oh yeah, in the Bible, Jesus put
his hand on people. So I said, can I put my hand on your arm? Where is it? He said, left arm above
my elbow. Okay. Can I put my hand there? He said, yeah. So went around the bed and I put my hand on
his left arm above his elbow, put my other hand on his head. And Jamonka, I have no idea what I
prayed. I am sure it was the most pathetic, tiny little, in the history of Christian. I said to
like, Oh God help, this guy's sick. I prayed that and suddenly there was a tangible change. And this
was the defining moment that led to that book on healing. In fact, this is the first story in the
book. The defining moment was this. Suddenly it was like a wave of love and compassion,
a wall of it filled the atmosphere. Like it was inhaling compassion. And suddenly all that I was
aware of was him and myself and the God who wanted him well. Yeah. And I just, I felt this fiery
power rising up inside of me. And I had never felt that before. I've been eight years a believer.
I'd never felt anything like that before. And then as I'm doing this simple little prayer that I
can't remember the words to, out of my arm flows this fiery piece and it goes inside of his arm.
He looked at me and he said, what is that fiery presence? I said, that's the Lord spirit. He's
healing you. And I raced out of the room because I was scared. Number one, I'd never, I'd never felt
anything like that before. Number two, I'd never done anything like that. There were actually really
three. Number three, I still thought he might have an agenda to mock me. Yeah. And so I leave
and the next day, the next day he's at school in the coffee lounge. I see him. He's there.
And I walk up to him. I said, you, you're out of the hospital. You're here. He said, I am.
And it was a 19th century building with those concrete fluted columns in the hall.
Shows me to one of those corners and looks in all directions. And then he says, that prayer
changed my life. Now what he didn't know was that prayer changed my life too. Yeah. It meant that I
had to understand what had happened to me and to him. Actually, then I found out that the next time
I went to a class, this is what happened. The part I just told you is in the book. Yeah. This part
is not. The next class I went to, I was defending the historicity of Moses splitting the sea. It
was an Old Testament class. And the god says, Oh no, it was a sea of reeds or we don't need to split
the sea to get to the history. They made that up. And I said, no, no, no, it's history. And this
student stands up and everybody's expecting the hilarious joke, including the teacher. Yeah. He
makes fun of unbelief. And I'm the hero. Class laughs. Yeah. And every single time for the
remainder of the term, he did the same thing. Anytime I said yes to the scripture, he would
defend me with the humor gun. This is the most amazing thing. So, so in the following year,
we're in a class together. And then there's a little party for the students and we're all gathered
around doing social things and talking sweet enough things about everything. You know,
it's like a gentle little gathering. And there's this girl who had asked me, there's him and
there's his wife and they're all standing together. And I go over to talk about, by the way,
wife was sweet, girl was sweet. This guy was still a question mark for me. But anyway,
I go over and, and I start talking about this or that and the two girls start giving him the elbow.
Yeah. You've got to tell Chaka what happened. You've got to tell Chaka what happened.
I want to tell Chaka what happened. And finally he did right after the class,
he did right after I left the room. A nurse walked in and he said to the nurse,
you can let me go home now. Jesus has healed me. My friend from Bible school, he came, he prayed for me.
She said, we don't do things like that around here. Yeah. And, and then he, he said, what do
you need to do? She said, I have to run some tests. She said, well run them. And she said,
well, I'm just coming to get you your due. And they took them down the hall and they tested
everything. And there had been a huge clot in his arm before it was gone. There was not a trace of
phlebitis in his body anywhere as well. So he goes home and he tells, of course he calls his wife,
his wife comes to get him and she takes him home and he does something he hasn't done before. He
kneels beside his bed and thanks God that he's been granted a gift of healing from Christ.
And then he goes to bed and he has a dream. And in the dream, he hears a voice and the voice says,
no one defends my servant David when he defends my word. You must defend him whenever he defends
the word. Yeah. Yeah. Did not 30 years after that, I changed the nominations. He was still in the same
old one that I was in before, but he said, he found me, sent me a note, thanking me for what it
happened in that hospital room 30 years before. No. And cause he now had three daughters. They're all
married off and raised. And he was in the ministry. But I'll just tell you what that, so when something
like that happens to you, now listen, the backstory is I had not a sweet clue what to do.
Yeah, definitely. This has happened more than once with all kinds of spiritual systems, but I'll
focus in on this one cause your time's going to run out. This one, I thought to myself, I must
understand how prayer for healing works in the Bible because we do see people dying when people
pray. We do see people getting partial recovery. We do see people having complete instantaneous healing.
My wife was miraculously healed of muscular dystrophy when somebody said something from the
front of my church 20 years after we prayed every day. Yeah. Okay. And so why was the 20 years there
and it didn't happen? Why did it happen instantly? Only God knows the answer to that. Absolutely.
I bet. Yeah. I have other friends who receive a partial healing and they led to the pathway to a
remedy. And so the book outlines five different things that are involved in the ordinary Christian
life when it comes to prayer for healing. And if somebody had just told me this when I was early,
then I wouldn't have had all this trouble. Number one, there's the instant miraculous healing. I
just told you two stories. The one in depth with my friend in school, the other was my wife healed
instantly. The other is natural healing. Now let me tell you something. I didn't used to believe
that natural healing was miracle, but after my wife was healed of muscular dystrophy,
she used to lose every muscle if she damaged it and never get it back again.
And after she was healed, ordinary healing happened whenever she bruised her arm or cut her
finger, whatever, if she would heal. She never healed before. That means natural healing is
miraculous. Third category, pathway to a remedy. In fact, I'm going to be traveling overseas and I
had to get vaccines. The guy who did my vaccines just told me the story. He watched somebody
not get sick when they got vaccinated when he was a kid. He had the measles and the kid who
was in the same house as his brother got vaccinated when he got measles, he didn't get the measles.
So he realized he has to figure this out. So he became a vaccine specialist. It goes all over
the United States and Canada in lectures. Anyway, people just like that have, you know,
my wife's sister, there was somebody next door who died of polio and she got the Smelk vaccine
and she lived and she made the decision that she would research medicine so that people like her
neighbor next door would never die in ways like that. I mean, so people have these kinds of,
you know, dramatic encounters and they spend 10, 15, 20 years researching for a cure and they're
led by God. Somebody's got 20 years of research and passes you the cure, say yes!
The third one is suffering that seems to have no reason. And even sometimes you come to the end of
a long process and discover that there's a reason, sometimes you don't. That's called holy mystery.
And the last is miraculous crossing where you reach the end of your days and it's time to be
with the Lord. All five of those, all five of those are legitimate. And I want people to understand
that it's a healing prayer is God's idea. By the way, that wasn't my idea to pray for that guy.
So the title of the book is Healing Prayer, God's Idea. In fact, the secondary title for the book
would have been Healing by Surprise. It certainly wasn't my idea to go with that. That would have
been a better title. But regardless, the point I'm making is that people need to be trained in how
to do this. And if you don't train them, you're going to have a bunch of people making terrible
mistakes and doing ditzy crazy things. In fact, there's one chapter in the book where I talk about
pitfalls to avoid. Telling somebody they're sinning and they got their sickness because
they're sinning. That's stupid. I'm sorry. There's nobody in the Bible who does that.
Yeah.
Nobody. Oh, by the way, some people say, this is my cross to bear. God made me sick. Well, nobody
in the Bible says that either. Yeah. Yeah. What are you saying that?
We're definitely taking some of those things and out of context or overly thinking them.
Completely. Yeah. So somebody, some people say, listen, if you don't get your healing immediately,
just keep saying you got it, even if you don't, and it will manifest. Nobody in the Bible does
that either. Anyway, the point I'm making is you need to understand what you need to train people
one small step at a time to teach them how to understand what is helpful and what is appropriate,
what is pastorally sensitive when you're dealing with somebody who's afflicted or in trouble.
Yes.
The same is true for the prayer books that I've written and this one, this one, this was the fun
one. This one is teaching people 25 different ways to hear how God speaks.
Wow. Yeah. That's something that definitely could be useful to anyone. Yes. And that's something I
wouldn't mind getting for myself. And yes, that one.
By the way, this one, I think everybody's heard the voice. Yeah. Yeah. Senator John's gospel says
this, my sheep hear my voice. Yeah. I know them. They follow me. Yeah, definitely. That means it
doesn't have to be, you know, uh, the angel showing up in the bedroom when you're pondering your
decision. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't have to be the Magi seeing the star move in the sky or it doesn't
have to be, you know, the burning bush with Moses. It can be an interior sense of being guided.
And when I teach this and show people from the scripture where this happens to people,
then they say, do you mean three years ago when I walked into that room and had a terrible feeling,
that was God warning me to get out of the room. I'll say, yeah, how many years have had that
happened? You know, almost all the hands in the room will go up. Right. And then when you walked
into that church and you were looking for a church home and suddenly the peace just washed over your
whole being and you don't think you belong. Was that Jesus telling me I fit? I said, yeah, how
many years have had that experience? Again, almost all the hands in the room go up. Then this one's
funny. I'll say to them, okay, anybody here sin now don't lie to church. Of course, every hand goes
up. I said, now when you did that, did you immediately have a conviction that you'd done
something wrong? All the hands go up. That's God talking. I said, now when you said, I want to,
I want to get out of this sin issue and you were guided to a way to get out of the sin issue
and you sensed consolation, interior peace and joy while you took those steps, has that ever happened
to you? And all the hands go up. I said, that would not be the devil. That would not be your flesh.
That would be God. What I do is I teach people to listen to the signals. And I give 25 different
signals of how God guides, how God leads, how God speaks. And then at the end, I put it into a process
to help groups of people learn how to listen, test and know when God speaks.
Well, that sounds like a great process. And Dr. Chaka, we are at at least 31 minutes.
I have enjoyed your stories and you know, I would love to invite you back to dig deeper into healing
prayer. I know you stated there were some five things and I would really love for our audience to
definitely be able to hear that. I'd be delighted to come back. Yes, I would. Yes. Yes. And then
that way we can have that discussion. Those, the backstories to all of this will definitely help
those of our audience who are listening to actually understand, you know, where these came from,
where the stories came from, if they have the book, you know, why they're here. And then like I said,
for us to have a second show to be able to break those five things down and to understand,
you know, your experiences and why you've moved in this direction and why you're near your eighth
book. So I really, I really appreciate you coming on and I thank you so much. You've shared a lot
of information. I definitely understand your vision and your vision is to follow God and to
to keep moving forward. All fathers should do the same. So can I tell people how to contact me?
Yes. I'd like to give a free gift. Actually, here's what I'd like to do. If you go on my website,
it's www.spiritequip, because that's what I do. I equip people in the spirit. So it's called
Spirit Equip and it's S-P-I-R-I-T and then equip like equipment, E-Q-U-I-P, put the two words together
dot com. And if you go there, there is a free audiobook chapter of chapter one of the healing
prayer book. And if your listeners would like to listen to, there's two stories there. The one I
just told you and the other, my co-writer, Dr. Maxi Dunham, he is, he tells the story of how his
grandson was miraculously healed of nysthygmus and optic nerve hypoplasia. Now you got to know
something. His daughter was married to a medical doctor. And so this one is not just medically
verified. It's medically impossible. And he tells the story in his own voice on the audiobook.
So people go there, they can listen to that and it's available where books are sold. But so the
easiest way to get it is www.spiritequip.com. Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that
you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes
continue to move forward. This is going to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more
engagement as well. We'll invite people to participate in the show. And thank you for giving
us your time and attention. Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a Vision Pro
yourself.