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Tell me about your vision.

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Vision for life.

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What would you like to share?

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Well, very powerful word.

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So you tell me, like, give me like context,

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like Mark, what do you want?

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What does your audience want actually, even more important?

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What do they want to hear?

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Do they want to hear like a business side?

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Do they want to hear a personal side?

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Do they want to hear, you know, what side?

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Our audience is mainly entrepreneurs and leaders.

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And we have all sorts of leaders come on our show who share different sides of

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their vision.

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Some people talk about their author side.

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Some people talk about their business they do.

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Some people talk about their journey as a father or a mother.

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So it's what you would like to share.

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What you feel passionate about most.

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I mean, a million things.

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Okay, so for me, I guess let's do business first.

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So again, devhub.com, like I said, I think there's a place in the world for

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what I would call like ultra luxury, ultra boutique, ultra.

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Like when you have a website, if you're a brand, call it a Saks Fifth Avenue or

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what's it called?

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One hour heating and cooling.

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It doesn't really matter.

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The fact that your website is powered by devhub means you have like the absolute

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best.

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There's nothing better, right?

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Versus if you got a website through an agency on a platform like WordPress or

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others, or you built it yourself with some other tool, having a website through

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devhub is the fucking, or sorry, is the best.

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And we think we can do that for probably about up to a thousand plus brands and

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keep it still, you know, high and tight in terms of a company.

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Personal vision.

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Live as long as possible with and around the people that I love.

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Like I hope to God my parents never die.

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Hope we've got no cat ever dies.

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And so, yeah, those are probably roughly the two.

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Where did this vision of you coming in as a CMS side come from for you?

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Like how did you get started in that?

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Okay, so that's, I documented everything.

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So it's at devhub.com, devhub.com forward slash history.

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Because of course, when you know, you come from tech, everyone thinks I'm going to

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build the thing, I'm going to flip the thing, I'm a genius.

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And some people do for sure.

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Not the journey we've been on.

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This is year seven.

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What we started when we raised a couple million bucks to what we do today almost is

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totally different.

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We started with domain names and monetizing those and a blogging platform,

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which morphed into a small business kind of website builder, which then morphed

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into an enterprise level platform for really big brands all over the world.

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And so it was definitely not a linear journey.

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It was totally, I mean, there was basically three major pivots and the biggest one

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obviously happened probably because of the pandemic.

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Right?

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Where, you know, in the world of, I don't call it software as a service, call it

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martech or marketing technology, call it local marketing.

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You know, it was easy just like, let's sell as many tools to as many brands as

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possible.

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And a lot of those tools or services, whether it's paid ads or social or reviews,

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whatever it is, when the pandemic happened, a lot of brands were like, why do we

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have all of these marketing technologies?

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Tools that we don't use.

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But the one thing that nobody wanted to shut off obviously is their websites.

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And, you know, it's crazy to be in this thing for 17 years and be talking about

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websites in 2024 when all this shit that's happening with AI and whatnot, like

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we're talking about websites today.

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And if I've learned anything so far in these 17 years, sometimes just nailing

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the basics, you know, is more powerful than building the next one.

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And so, you know, because of the pandemic, because we saw that a lot of brands

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were shutting off their agencies, shutting off marketing tools.

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The one thing they didn't shut off are DevOps websites.

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And more so like innovate, helped innovate, create the product roadmap for what

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this is ultimately now becoming for these brands.

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And so it became a lot more fun of a company in the last 18 years.

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And so it became a lot more fun of a company in the last, call it, three years

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for sure.

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That's awesome.

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All right, go.

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What was your most significant learning experience in life?

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So far, so I've been blessed that I've had nobody really die.

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I mean, the cat dying really was a...

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If there was grief with a cat for six months, I can only imagine when it's like

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a very, very, very close friend or family member.

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So everyone around me is alive.

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So I had to deal with having death, which will be a very hard one.

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But in terms of most significant learning experience, I mean, there's probably

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a lot now that are all racking my brain.

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I'm trying to think of like more or less your audience and like what would help

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them.

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This one won't make sense.

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I'll do two.

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The first one would be...

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It's actually probably the name of your podcast, Vision Profs.

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The first one is again how important values are to a company.

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And if they're made up, it's why your company is not big.

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That's my hot take of the moment.

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And again, when you're starting out or when you're in it and people are like,

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you need a mission, you need a vision, values, your principles, what's up?

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And you're like, it makes no sense because you're trying to just make payroll.

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You're trying to grow.

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You're like one more deal and I'll do that.

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One more deal, one more deal, one more deal.

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Today, if I was starting a company, I would start with that as the basics.

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That's the basics.

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That's level 101 of business.

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It's like what are you trying to get done?

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What are the values of the company?

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I.e. what are the types of people you want to attract to help you get there?

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And that would be the number one thing.

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And again, it's something that just getting pushed to the side for so many,

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I mean, decade plus because we're like, let's just make money.

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Let's just do...

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And then again, as the company grows, you realize very quickly that it's people,

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that helps the thing scale.

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And so not having again that north star of again, vision, mission-ish,

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and then values to like align people to.

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Another one would be you are a leader.

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How you show up, how you talk, how you...

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What words you choose.

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I mean, all the things like you're constantly being watched.

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And so, you know, at some level, you're never able to...

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Like I don't think you should...

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This is my own personal opinion.

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I don't think you should ever bring your own personal issues to a business.

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Right.

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So for me, like if I'm having a down day or whatever,

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like I would never show that to anybody.

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You know, because I think business should be like a happy place,

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not like, oh, this is too miserable today.

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So it's like, you know, one, again, you're constantly being watched as a leader.

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And then third would be again, no two...

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Again, in a company, whether it's four people, three people,

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40 people, 100 people, whatever, none of those people are experiencing...

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As much as you think,

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none of those people are experiencing the company in the same way you are experiencing it.

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You know, and so you just got to remember that people are people.

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And, you know, aligning to, you know, their ambitions helps you achieve your ambitions.

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And so it is one to one. It is hand to hand.

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You know, in some respects, I'm grateful for the advancements of technology in the last, call it, two years

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in the sense of AI and the efficiencies, I think, that it can probably bring to organizations

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in building bigger companies with less people.

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But I think those people can be more connected than they've ever been.

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And so, yeah, those are some of the lessons.

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Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is going to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show.

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And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.