has been coaching and motivating and encouraging people.
It's funny, because my story actually started.
So when I, earliest memory I can remember,
I was involved in sports, I did some plays.
I very much leaned into being a performer,
probably overachiever at some point,
where we kind of like went full circle
and I had to kind of learn how to unbecome
to become who I truly am.
But I say all that to say is,
in 2008 I started rapping and thought my life was gonna be,
I'm the next Lecrae, next Lil Wayne,
I thought I was gonna be a rapper.
And I poured heart and soul into that.
All right, drop it, let's do it, let's do it.
I don't know about that, I don't know about that.
Okay.
So yeah, I poured heart and soul into that
from 2008 until 2018, so about 10 years.
And over that span of time, I recorded,
wrote, recorded 300-ish songs somewhere in there.
A lot of, I put out a lot of content.
I just put in the reps, essentially.
I wasn't, I definitely wasn't the greatest when I started,
but I always was a proponent of being resourceful
and finding a way.
And that was a lot of what I did.
And then, and then in around 2016,
I started working for a online ministry.
I was doing all their YouTube stuff.
I was making lead magnets, writing emails,
doing all the SEO, all the video editing.
I was basically their media team
for about four years.
But somewhere along those lines, we get to about 2018,
and I'm very big in my faith.
And I really felt like, as I deepened my faith
in my walk with Jesus, I really felt like he was asking me
to lay down the thing that I had found complete identity in,
which was rapping.
And of course, at that time, around that time,
I started rapping for God, but really not with God,
I guess you could say.
So-
You know who T-Bone is?
I gotta ask.
Yeah, T-Bone, yeah.
He's a friend of mine.
He is, as well.
We met in airplane, and he like, man, oh, that was so cool.
That dude is so talented.
Yeah, he's super talented.
But yeah, so I got to this kind of,
that was kind of the turning point for me is 2018.
I felt like the Lord was asking me to lay down the thing
I found my whole identity in.
And it was in that moment.
And it's funny, because in 2016
was when I started working for this ministry,
and she was very like motivational,
personal development, Bible-based.
So it was really interesting to hear that perspective,
because I've always been kind of in those circles,
but really being a part of a team of someone doing that
and leading from stages and whatnot.
Like we did, she has like a business conference once a year,
and one year we had Les Brown,
and it was amazing to be side stage
during a Les Brown talk.
It was such special times in my life.
But I say all that to say is, yeah, well, we got to 2018,
and I felt like the Lord was really guiding me
out of rapping.
And at first I was like, what do you mean, God?
Like I wrestled with it.
Like I was mad.
I was like, I put heart and soul,
and the last song that I made up before he said this
was my best performing song.
Like I collaborated with some people,
it got thousands of streams, it was doing well.
And there was that potential for it to go to who knows where,
finally, after all the plowing and all the sewing,
I felt like harvest time was coming.
But the Lord was like, do you trust me in this?
And I was like, well, I mean, you're God,
and I'm sure you probably know a lot better than I do.
And thankfully, hindsight, I see the beauty in all of it.
Because if I would have been promoted to stages
when I was in that space, personally, spiritually,
emotionally, mentally, I would have crumbled under pressure.
And we see plenty of people, celebrities,
we see even unfortunately here lately,
religious leaders fall from grace.
And I feel like it was really God's divine protection
in that moment.
But also, he had a different route for me.
And I feel like hindsight, about 2020,
we had our son, our first child, we had our son in 2020.
Congratulations.
And it was like right in the middle of the craziness
of lockdowns and the great panini, the great pandemic.
And it was so interesting for me,
because it was like all of my life,
I identified in the doing, not the being.
And it took the whole world shutting down.
Because initially, I was like, cool, I can work from home
so then I can do the podcast.
I can still figure out things, help serve more at my church,
even though we're not in person.
There's a lot of behind the scenes stuff I could help with.
So I was running and running and running,
and I finally hit that burnout.
Most of us do when we're running without true direction
and clarity and vision.
And I hit that spot, and I felt like, again,
the Lord was asking me, are you willing to leave the job
and just focus on being present,
serving at your local church,
and being present as a stay at home dad?
And again, I'm like, what do you mean, God?
I'm making a decent, secure salary.
I'm doing work that seems to be good.
And again, it was that moment of shifting more.
And it was in that that I only had,
taking care of this human being, which is crazy in itself.
And thankfully, my wife is amazing,
and she has a very stable job as a hairstylist.
And thankfully, financially, the brunt wasn't tough.
It wasn't awful.
So it seemed like there was a bit of security in that term,
but also, I mean, it's a big faith step again.
So I stepped out, started taking care of my son.
And it was funny that becoming a father
helped me learn how to be a son.
And I didn't realize that.
And much more than that is there was so much beauty
in all of this.
And when I think about that season,
it started in 2018 when I laid down a certain aspect
that I thought was my identity.
And then it began more chiseling.
And I'll mention a little bit later
that the story I felt like I was drawn to
that really paints that picture.
But I'll say all that to say is towards the end of,
I wanna say like around 2021,
after we've had our son for about a year,
I felt like the Lord was saying,
okay, you're ready to try to figure out something else.
I also was getting bored out of my mind,
not doing something.
Because as someone who's creative and doing something,
I was like, what can I do?
Because I was still kind of doing the podcast,
but again, it was something that I had to put down
in that season.
And I picked it back up again,
and I found someone that was doing this online coaching
saying it was the first time I had really thought about it
and heard about it and really thought,
okay, we can try to grow something with this.
So around that time, I started coaching.
I had a handful of free clients
that were within the program I was in,
really kind of figuring out and navigating
what I could help people with.
And we started landing in on this idea of,
I feel like there's a lot of Christian business owners,
men leaders, and they've succeeded
in the business side of things.
But how many of you know that you can win in one area
and be completely failing in the other,
and we can major in the minors,
and it can be so great to sit there
and make a ton of money and be wealthy,
but not at the expense of our soul,
not at the expense of our marriage or our kids.
And that's really what I kind of zeroed in
on when it comes to my clients.
And it looks like, so I helped my friend with his-
Dustin Wallace?
Yeah, no, that's my government name, Dustin Wallace.
But I help a friend of mine, he has a construction company,
and I was posting for him on his construction company,
but it looks like the last few posts actually did not.
That's all right.
So those memes for like a random construction company
you see is actually my background of social media.
I was helping a friend of mine
that had a construction company.
So that's funny.
I was like, man, I'm glad I see that now.
Oh, cool.
Optimize as we go.
Exactly, I love that.
We're already winning.
That's right, man.
Well, man, you've unpacked quite a bit for me.
The one quote that really stood out
above everything else too, that really,
I mean, I can take away from this,
and like I'm gonna be using too,
is how the reality of becoming a father,
helping become a son as a father of four,
that resonates so much.
And to all the visionaries out there listening in, man,
you carry this wonderful energy.
You got a tone and a cadence about you
that just is super authentic,
super well-practiced and authentic.
I think that's something that a lot of people
don't understand is that you can be articulate
and intentional and be super truthful and centered too.
You could talk about a million things.
You choose to talk about incredibly deep realities
that resonate.
My last couple of years put me in a position,
God put me in a position to where I kind of felt
like I was stuck in a dark hole.
And I told my sister one day, I said,
you know, the great thing about being in a dark hole
is I can't screw anything up.
I'm just, God knows where I'm at.
He obviously knows what I need to be focused on.
And so it's okay.
And you know, the seed, right?
The seed gets shoved down into a dark hole, you know,
and has to get watered.
And it takes a while before it actually comes to the surface
and gets to see the light of day.
And it gathers these super strong roots first.
So I'm very grateful as well for the adversities
that I've gone through, the trials,
the things that have shifted the direction
of where I'm going.
And I don't pretend to know where God wants me
to go in the future,
but everything that I went through, you know,
the goods, the bad, the uglies,
they've all contributed to, as you said,
learning to be the sun, learning to be,
and not just be stuck with all the doing that can distract.
So you've had resources help you along the way, Red.
What are three resources you recommend
for other visionary leaders out there?
Man, so good.
All right, so three, I might tag a little short fourth
as you were speaking of what you were speaking.
It reminded me of another book that was paramount
to where I was at in my journey.
But I'll go quick on the three that I do have.
And I'll say the first one is gonna be the Bible, obviously.
Woo!
I mean, it is the only book that when you read it,
it reads you, and it's living,
and it's always gonna work on you more so
than any self-help book out there, any of those,
which they're great, and I'm all for learning and growing.
And at the same time, it's the only book that I've found
where the author really sits with you,
and you can have a personal relationship
with the author as you read it, it's reading you.
And I could go on forever,
but I'll keep it short and sweet with that.
And then I would say the second resource
would be finding the right mentors, coaches, and community.
And I didn't just say a blanket statement
of mentors, coaches, and community, I said the right one.
And how do you know if they're the right one?
They're gonna be the one
that truly have your best interests.
And they can see things that you don't always see.
And I think that I have such a beautiful,
I've been blessed with the best in my church community,
like my pastors and some of the leaders and mentors
that I've had have seen what I didn't see.
Cause I mean, I can remember when I walked into our church,
it was 2011, and I was insecure, yet prideful,
little Christian rapper, wannabe rapper.
Probably, if you've seen the movie Malibu's Most Wanted,
that was probably me.
And I remember asking that, like we had a small group
the first time I went to any kind of like youth event.
I think I was like 18.
So I was out, fresh out of high school,
and I walked into a youth event,
and there was like a little small group.
And I asked the pastor, like first time ever meeting,
the pastor was husband and wife, and it was the wife.
And I was like, what do I gotta do to be on that stage?
Literally, first time talking to someone,
I'm asking what can I do to be on that stage?
Ridiculous, but what she said stuck with me.
And she said, if you stay faithful,
we'll find a place for you.
And I really feel like it was the divine voice of God
speaking through her in that moment.
Cause I never left being planted
in the local church from that moment.
I found myself running sound.
I found myself serving, I was stacking chairs.
Now someone who came in with such a pride,
such a, I like to look at it this way.
I feel like insecurity masquerades around like pride.
Cause if we really dig deep into someone
who's very, very prideful,
you'll notice that there's a bit of insecurity there.
And I can remember thinking back to that time,
how insecure I was.
So I try to be bigger, larger than life
to make up for what I felt like I was lacking on the inside.
But that's totally a sidebar of the conversation.
But I say all that to say is to keep it back
into this idea of resources and mentors
is that with the right mentors
and coaches and community in your life,
you'll not only go further faster,
but you'll be doing, you'll be living out
who you've called, been called and created to be.
Cause I feel like so often we wanna go so fast,
especially now microwave generation,
like we wanted things, Amazon Prime,
we wanted it yesterday.
It's already late if it's not here.
And I feel like there's a beauty
in slowing down to speed up.
And I feel like when you're surrounding yourself with-
Those you listening in, you hear how fast he talks,
but he still has that appreciation
for slowing down to speed up.
I see you dude, I see you man, Red, keep going.
That's right.
So yeah, as I say that,
it's so important to slow down to speed up.
And a lot of times we need those mentors,
those coaches, that community to remind us,
hey, we're going a little bit faster.
We can slow down and be,
and I can go on on this forever.
Yeah, we both could.
I'm gonna highlight something real fast
because guys, what you are hearing
and if you are feeling, if you are willing to,
I feel hope rising.
I feel faith.
I feel light.
And I feel one of my favorite emotions
and that celebration when you talk, Red.
You live by this principle of celebration.
I can see it.
The only, the person who I heard on stage talk about that
was Glenn Morschauer, who's a well-known actor.
Once somebody looks him up, like, oh yeah,
I've definitely seen him before.
Best speech I've ever seen and best motivational talk.
And he talks about the value of selling,
because I could never get into the hype.
I could never get into the excitement.
Yeah.
All the falsifying basically victories
and really being at no celebration.
As soon as he talked about that and was like,
stop trying to force it all.
Like, you know, and we can dive into appreciating
what we have and celebrating the goodness that's there.
And you are that essence, dude.
So thank you.
So that's another little resource caveat
for you visioners listening.
What's the third, man?
Man, the third.
So the third, I'll divide it in half.
I'll cheat a little bit.
So originally I had chat GPT.
Now, before you come at me in the comments and the-
Oh, we're about to double down on that one.
That robots are gonna take over the world.
Listen, Jesus is still on the throne.
But anyway, with that said,
I believe that we're in such a beautiful time
of having resources at our fingertips.
And when I mentioned chat GPT, I don't mean-
As you do, I gotta validate you again on this, man.
We're gonna validate this right now.
For those of you that are watching what's going on here,
he talked about mentors, right?
And he talked about the chat GPT.
Well, we use chat GPT after our episodes
when people mentioned things like mentors
to create incredible articles.
And it does it in 15 minutes.
Come on.
And these are amazing.
So this is the article from another mentor
and visionary who came on
who talked about need for coaches and mentors.
And so I put together a little guide on how to interview,
attract, onboard and work with top coaches and mentors,
a step-by-step guide.
And we show when we create this guide too,
exactly what I prompted the chat bot to do
so that we could get such quality information.
And we always put a disclaimer on here.
It's not a reflection of our thoughts, feelings or strategy.
We're not liable for you implementing it.
I mean, it can make a mistake,
but it is truly magnificent how fast
we can get world-class information
at our fingertips these days.
And it amplifies, if we use that to amplifies
all of the goodness we already have within ourselves.
Come on.
And I love that you mentioned that
because that's literally in the notes
when I wanted to mention that.
It's a resource, not the source.
And it's only gonna be able to answer what you give it.
So if you're there and you're asking it,
lame average generic questions,
you're gonna get sent that response.
I know, I'm sure someone out there has seen someone
who's used chat GBT incorrectly.
And you can instantly notice from the verbiage
and the excessive use of emojis, what's going on.
But it's so beautiful when you learn
how to work the resource you have.
Like I love to go in and hopefully this is not too practical,
but I feel like I live in this unique space
of the practical and the mindset.
So I dig in just a little bit for this,
but you could go in.
So for example, I'm writing my first book.
And as someone who's, I've been around authors,
my former job, she wrote plenty of books,
but also as someone doing it myself,
I also wanna put my best foot forward.
So I've learned things like I can put in a chapter
of my book to chat GBT and I can be like,
act as a bestselling editor in this genre.
This is who it's gonna be on the shelf next to
and give me feedback.
What can I improve?
Bro, I was literally, I hadn't done it yet.
You're ahead of me.
I literally though, two days ago, I was like, oh man,
when I do my manuscript review,
I am definitely using chat GBT next time
to dive in and do that.
Okay.
That's awesome.
It's gonna give you an unbiased third party opinion
on things and especially when you give it what to act like.
Cause if you were to just tell it blankly to do this,
it might give you some good results.
Right, exactly.
I was thinking like, yeah.
What I was thinking about doing it with
was with our power marketing funnel.
And I was thinking, man, I can't wait to put this
in the chat GBT and say, I want your opinion.
What all is wrong with this?
How can you counter argue with what I've put together
and show me, prove to me how many fallacies and errors
are in this process, right?
I want that.
I want to see what it sees that I cannot see.
It's not gonna robotically change me.
I still have the ability to be me,
but I love that heat and that refinement
because that's how you create the gold.
So that's huge.
I love that.
So is that three and four?
That's three.
So four is actually a book that I read not that long ago
and I revisit it from time to time.
It's called Anonymous by Alicia Britt Cole.
And it's one of those things where sometimes
I feel like the Lord, like you mentioned,
you felt like you've been in this dark hole
and to circle back to when you mentioned that,
it made me think of that.
Cause when I went into that season
of just taking care of our son
and I didn't have any obligations
other than being a stay at home dad,
also in the midst of a great pandemic.
So even more so I'm in hiding essentially.
And I can remember reading that book
and it was so beautiful to think that
even when you feel like you're unseen
and no one's knowing what you're doing
or what you're going through, God sees you.
And not only that, he's walking with you
and he's preparing you.
And it goes back to that idea
that we're human beings, not human doings.
And a lot of times it takes time to be forced into that
because if we're not careful being high achievers,
high performers, it's very easy for us
to slip into the doing too much.
It's that dark side, that shadow of our strengths.
But I definitely recommend that one
if you're in a space of maybe you feel
like you're not being seen.
It's Anonymous by Alicia Britt Cole.
But yeah, those are the four, the Holy Bible,
the right mentors, coaches and community,
chat GBT and that book called Anonymous.
I was talking to a visionary client this morning
and she's off to the right,
she's crushing through her stuff.
And so our conversation, you know,
you would naturally come in and crush more.
Our conversation was about balance and how like, okay,
now you're, you know, imagine you're taking 30 pound bags
of soil to your backyard and you got 100 of them to take
for this massive garden you're building.
Well, you were carrying 10 pound bags before this.
Now you're carrying 30 pound bags,
but you've also got a team of people
who are carrying bags with you now.
Your role changes and you have somebody
who's directing the project.
So now you're gonna start feeling a couple of things.
If you try to carry 130 pound bags,
the same way you were carrying 110 pound bags
and she's in her seventies, right?
So this is really relevant for where she's at.
You can't do that.
You can't go at the same pace
and you need more water than you normally typically have.
You need more breaks than you typically have.
When you start to do things that are way beyond
what you've done in the past,
there needs to be more balance.
And now instead of having that imposter syndrome
of feeling like I'm doing less or man,
I need to get up and do something, learning to be centered,
learning to realize that it's okay
to have a different type of lifestyle
and to dive more into hobbies and things like that
and to take more time for rest.
There's so many paradigm shifts that visionaries,
we get the opportunity to go through as we're building.
And that's one of the essences
that I hear about this anonymous reality
and the whole COVID pandemic stuff.
I know a lot of people relate to what you're going through.
I'm one of those people who sometimes feel like my story
is isolated related to that.
But if I choose not to isolate myself, right?
Talk about it, see what's there.
It's amazing what happens.
And then we get to become mentors too
for people who are going through things.
My wife and I at the time, I'm divorced again.
We were married the month before COVID in Mexico.
And we came back to sell my stuff, move to Mexico,
but we came back the day they shut the border.
I was already a single father of three.
We were pregnant.
She came over across the border on a visa
to just be there for a moment,
ended up as an illegal immigrant.
And our entire world,
we fell into an international black hole
that we could not get out of.
We literally could not escape it.
It was nuts.
And the pressures, the adversities,
the challenges that we faced
because of those circumstances,
created a refiner's fire
that was a very interesting process to battle through.
And God and I had our battles, as you mentioned,
very, very strong ones.
And I found myself in a new position
of single father of four with three kids in one city,
one kid in another,
and me living in somewhere in between at this point, finally,
learning to balance all of that,
run a business at the same time,
try to figure out how to do it all wasn't the key.
It was learning how to be.
It was learning to let go and let God.
So I really, really appreciate you bringing it up.
I don't talk about that a lot on this podcast.
They usually do in my interviews,
but brother, we've got a whole world
to inspire and visionaries,
whatever you're up against, be prudent, turn to God.
We're not your saviors either,
but we are here to help guide
and perhaps there's some resources that we'll have.
So we'll be right back.
We'll dive in and talk about the,
how do we chisel away at the false narratives
when a society is driving us towards false narratives
over and over.
And how do we also look for our limiting beliefs
and maybe get past those two.
Red Wallace is obviously a leader in the space
of helping us get through that.
So we'll be right back.
All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live.
With Jackson Callum, I'm your show host.
We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs
and guest leaders who are building
fantastic visions out there.
Hey, what's up everybody?
Welcome in to another episode of Vision Pros Live.
I'm your show host, Jackson Callum,
founder and CEO of First Class Business.
And I am so stoked this week.
It feels like my birthday almost every single day
that I get to work with my team.
There's so many great things that are coming forward.
And then we've got these excellent leaders
like the quality of our leaders
since the beginning of the show to now
has always been really good.
And because of the reach that we're getting,
thanks to all of you who listen in
and help with the process of subscribing,
rating and promoting it.
We got even greater leaders coming in
to share even broader visions
and people who are starting to organize things
like panel discussions with us.
So we got some fun things to come.
Today we've got coach Red Wallace on,
and we're gonna be talking about false narratives,
limiting beliefs.
Before I bring him back on stage,
I wanna give you guys access to some of the resources
you may not have gotten involved with yet.
And I highly recommend, in fact, they just invite you.
Check them out.
We got hardtokill.org with Dave Morrow.
Dave Morrow is a world-class leader.
We very much enjoyed working with him
for the past six months.
He's built this community to help 100,000 veterans
lose 2 million pounds collectively.
And he's well on his way.
I think we need to start upping the number
on that goal very, very soon.
He's an award-winning podcaster.
He spoke at the Military Influencer Expo in Georgia.
And if you look up Dave Morrow Afghanistan,
you'll see some of the work that he put in
to help try to protect the translators
who were affected by the withdrawal.
I'm not gonna get political on this,
but I am going to dive into the fact
that our veterans need more support.
They need communities where they can get that support.
He's opened his doors to those of us
who are also civilians.
We can now join the hard to kill community as well.
And he's helped me get back on track with my health,
which is huge.
I took an eight-year break almost
from any responsibilities related to my health.
Not a great or wise break to make,
especially as a single father.
So I'm really grateful for what he's done
to help me get back on track health-wise.
I'm sure he can help you as well.
Then there's opportunities.
Opportunities are a homegrown program.
I've been trying to build this up for almost 15 years,
very slowly.
I was pretty scared to build this.
Now, as you can see, it is not only just my program,
it's a Latino run program.
Diana is the director.
Cynthia, who's helping us on the screen shares,
also a part of the leadership team
at Obrador de la Nace de Trabajo para Latinos.
They have their own podcast,
and their podcast is starting to smoke ours.
They've got influencers on that show,
Latinos who are inspiring,
that have 900,000 plus subscribers on their show.
And Luisa, her first interview ever in a podcast format
was with Kike Anglais, with over 900,000 subscribers.
Can you imagine that type of traction
when you first start and launch something?
So it is really beautiful to see this come together.
And we hope that if you know any Latinos
who could help out with the process
of inspiring more Latinos to get involved,
then send them our way, let them come on,
have them come on our show.
And we'd be happy to hear about their stories.
We are bridging the economic gap
between North America, South America,
and rest of the world through this program.
And the job training program is absolutely free
to any Latinos who come in
and wanna learn how to be virtual assistants
and what we call digital ambassadors.
If you're looking to hire virtual assistants,
please come and talk to us
because we don't believe in the VA behaviors we see.
We call it virtual abuse.
I'm tired of seeing entrepreneurs not take any interest
in who the people are that they're working with.
You start taking care of your people,
you start caring about them.
It's amazing what happens
and what types of results they can drive
when you pay attention to what their needs are.
So let's do that together.
Then there's the water project.
The water project is not something that is,
that we have any affiliation with.
It's something that truly inspires me though.
They show so much transparency with bringing water
to the millions of people who don't have access
to one of the most essential resources on our planet
and one that I've taken for granted my entire life.
So when I saw how they were doing this,
like a Kickstarter project,
then you can donate like 10 bucks, 20 bucks to it.
And you can pick which community you actually affect.
You then get to see the outcome
and the borehole well or the sand dam that they create.
That level of transparency
and the fact that they also focus on remote zones of Africa
that are very hard to get to,
not necessarily like the tourist destinations.
So again, I really feel inspired by what they do.
This picture right here makes me always remember
that these kids celebrate water,
like my kids celebrate Christmas day.
So my hope is again,
if you're not in a financial position to help out,
maybe have a dinner conversation about this with people.
Maybe share or tag somebody in this.
You never know who you'll inspire to help out.
We've got 8 billion people in this world to help out
and why not do everything that we can
to help with those processes.
If you know of a cause that you'd like to see us talk about
or maybe consider,
please drop the link to the cause in the chat.
Let us come in and chat and dialogue about it
and see what we might be able to do together.
And without further ado,
Coach Red Wallace, welcome to Vision Pros Live.
Thanks for having me.
Man, what great work you're doing.
Like as you're mentioning that the water project,
it's so great to hear another person in this space,
not just in it to get rich,
which obviously nothing's wrong with wealth.
It's my product.
It's my product, but I always say,
impact first and income follows.
But without-
You and Les Brown, how long did you guys hang out?
You're full of the-
So it's the rapping mentality too.
It is, but yeah.
Impact and the income follows.
Yeah.
I'm crying down on you.
Impact first, income follows.
Keep going, man.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
I just get excited because you always get excited.
I get excited to piggyback off of another.
Man, I love well put together sayings.
Like I said this in another podcast today.
I really feel like I'm a wordsmith
and there's such a beauty in,
and this is a bit of a tangent.
So apologies if I go on too long, definitely cut me off,
but there's a beauty in understanding.
So there's a pastor named Steven Furtick
and I heard him say-
Let's do this too.
Let's tie it.
I'm gonna make it harder for you.
Like they do with that other rapper
who's gone real viral lately and they give them words.
I'm gonna-
Oh yeah, yeah.
Harry Mack.
There it is, man.
Oh, shout out to Harry Mack.
So let's tie that.
Whatever you're about to say too,
false narratives or limiting beliefs.
Perfect.
It's gonna already tie into it.
So like I was saying,
there's a pastor named Steven Furtick
and I heard him say this
and I really have to set the tone.
When I heard him say this in a message once,
I was actually, this is years ago,
I was working at a local Tex-Mex restaurant
and I was a bus boy.
I was there early,
before anyone else was there early mopping up the place.
And I quickly learned that in that timeframe of mopping,
I have an opportunity
because I can focus on anything
because mopping is one of those tasks
that you can do kind of like mindlessly
as your mind wonders.
And at first, of course, me being a rapper back then,
I was listening to a bunch of rap,
just like thinking of things,
like I'd write some songs.
But then it shifted when I started really listening to like,
whether it's messages from preachers
or other personal development things.
And sure enough, this day,
this pastor said that your necks is connected to your now.
And I never really understood it, but it stuck out to me.
And then years later, as I'm sitting here now
and I think about that,
I mentioned how I feel like I'm a wordsmith
and how I have a former career as a rapper,
whether that's being on stage
or whether that's creating music and writing lyrics.
I see that now in what I do,
whether it's making content
and seeing how can I explain something in a way
where it comes across, not universal,
but what's seemingly complex, make it simple.
And you said there's false narratives.
It's gonna tie into another story.
You might've heard me mention it before,
but most of us know who Michelangelo is.
I mean, if you haven't lived under a rock.
I love that.
I'm glad you reminded me of this
because where you're about to go with this chiseling thing,
that's one thing to hear it.
It's another to remember it.
It's another to master this concept
and allow it to really impact you.
So it's one of those things where every time you hear it,
there's something new you can learn from it.
So get it.
So good.
So as I was saying, we all know who Michelangelo is
and he's made amazing paintings, sculpting,
but the one I wanna zero in on
is there was this amazing immaculate sculpture of David,
the Bible character David.
And there was someone who asked him
after they saw it in person,
how like meticulously detailed it was.
They asked Michelangelo,
how in the world did you take a hunk of marble, granite,
whatever it may be that they use,
a big old hunk of rock that's seemingly formless,
but just big giant weird thing.
And how did you take that?
And I picture even as I say that,
and I don't have words for it,
I picture that person as they were asking,
because they saw it beforehand.
Like for us, we see it all the time.
But this person was walking through
and saw nothing out of nothing.
Anyways, I could go off on that.
But he asked, he looked at Michelangelo and he said,
how in the world did you create a masterpiece out of this?
And he said, it's simple.
I just chiseled away the parts that weren't David.
And I feel like so strongly that that's what we live.
When we're living out of, like you said,
false beliefs, false narratives,
there's been stories that somewhere along our line,
someone has told you, they might've told you
that you're not creative or you're dumb or you're slow.
And they may have been throwaway statements.
They may not even intentionally hurt you that way.
But you'll be surprised how you're looking 20, 30 years
down the line and you're living a lesser life
because you've saw your whole entire identity
through this lens.
And I feel like a lot of-
I went live on Facebook way back, I don't know,
it was 2013 or so probably.
I was going live on Facebook and a friend, right?
Quote unquote comes on and says,
when are you gonna give up on all this washed up,
discount Tony Robbins bull crap?
Oh man.
And I blocked him.
I was like, I don't need this in my life.
There was other reasons why he did it.
And then I was like, never.
But I stopped for years.
I stopped.
It did have its impact.
I wasn't in a position to where I could get over
the limiting beliefs and the false narratives.
Granted, I still had little kids too
where I wasn't quite ready to be full time on the mic.
But it had a massive impact that took me some time
to figure out how do you escape this?
How do you prepare yourself for the resilience necessary?
How do you not allow sentiments like that
or feelings like that to take away from who you are?
So I can't imagine I'm the only person in the world
who let things go for a while
and didn't pursue my dreams or my purpose.
Come on, and it's so good and I love the question
you asked too.
How do you not let it get to you?
Well, obviously sometimes it's still gonna get to you.
I'll start by that.
Thank you.
I literally had a comment today.
What was it?
I posted a short on YouTube and some random person commented
and they said, YouTube shorts brought me to a lost leprechaun
speaking bollocks.
And I'm like, now I can laugh.
Yeah, now I can laugh.
I'm laughing with you because you're amazing.
That's funny.
Now I can laugh, but previously.
I should, thank you.
If he would have said that when I was-
That is my lost leprechaun you're talking about here.
Like, get out of here.
Yeah, and I say all that to say is the way that comments
like that won't bother you anymore
is it's not gonna be overnight.
And there's still gonna be times when you're at your lowest
and I mean, we do, things are more spiritual
than a lot of us think.
And there is a prince of darkness out there.
Remember the Titans, Denzel Washington, right?
He's facing the coach that try to get him fired
and all things and he'd called him a monkey.
And at the halfway point when they're,
he gives him the banana, you know?
And it's like, he had that strength to embrace it, right?
You go buy a leprechaun hat, you know,
and like embrace it, right?
Like it's when we can honor the realities that, you know,
sometimes that even if they seem like a jab,
most of the time they're jabbing at a virtue
that we possess.
And it's hard to recognize that,
but I gotta give a huge shout out to another leprechaun
and that's JP Sears, his Ted Talk, right?
That was a huge, huge impact for me on being able to say,
you know what, long hair.
I was like, I'm gonna do it.
You know, it was my son that inspired it,
but JP Sears also kind of gave me permission
to be myself, right?
And say, you know what, goofy, you know,
heroes in the logo, all this stuff like,
yeah, I'm gonna do me.
Come on, and I love it.
And you made a perfect example of this,
is you found the permission to be you.
Yeah.
Because if we're not careful, so often,
we'll go and try to fit ourselves
into what the world has told us to be,
when God has created you to be you.
Like, I can't be Jackson.
I, it would probably be cool in some areas.
Sometimes.
Just like you couldn't be Red.
And you know, like, and when we realize that,
and we truly tap into the fact of who we are,
that's when we begin to truly find fulfillment,
find purpose, find calling,
and we no longer live that false narrative.
Yes.
Oh, it's so huge.
Okay.
So we're gonna skip to my absolute favorite question.
Man, as many times as you wanna come back, Red,
we gotta have you back.
Definitely.
Oh, this is so cool.
This is so good.
So uplifting, you know,
and for all those listening in,
like even if you didn't like understand
a single word we said,
but the ambiance uplifts you,
run with that.
Use that energy.
So if this was the last chance
that you had to share with the world,
truly last chance,
what powerful lesson
can other visionaries learn from your experience?
I love that question.
There's many different ways I could take it,
but I feel like this is,
and I touched on it a little bit earlier,
but I feel like there,
it starts with awareness of,
so we have strengths,
and these strengths are great,
and we need to lean into those strengths.
And we have to know that there's a shadow
and a dark side to those strengths.
Like I love,
a lot of visionaries are gonna be watching this.
I feel like the shadow and the dark side
of being a visionary
is when we start bringing these teams on,
we can plow over them
because we've got so much vision
that we don't think about how much it takes
to really execute it.
And I really encourage those other visionaries
out there watching,
is you're not gonna see that,
I mean, you can see that alone,
but that's where that mentoring,
that coaching, that community comes in,
because we all have blind spots.
I love to say it like this,
we can't see 360.
Like I would love to see my back right now
because I have a four-year-old
that might've stuck a sticker,
kick me sticker.
And I'm not gonna know that
until either A, people start kicking me,
or two, I have someone to come along
and say, hey bud, you got a little sticker
or you got some spinach and steak in your teeth,
or hey, you got your fly down,
you're walking around, goodness.
You don't want that.
And that's only gonna come
when we swallow the pride of thinking we're self-made.
And I feel like it's another shadow
and dark side of being visionary.
Because it's very easy for us to get into
this little box in this little world
where everyone's a yes man,
or everyone's saying, you're the greatest,
all your ideas are amazing.
Yes, you have a ton of amazing ideas
and a lot of vision.
Some of them aren't great.
And I feel like it's so important
for us to have that community,
have those mentors, have those guides
that are not gonna be afraid
to tell you the kind truth.
Again, the packaging is important.
Just as much as what you say to someone.
What's the quote?
People are gonna remember how you made them feel
before they hear what you said.
And I think that that's such an important piece
to really bring home is that powerful lesson
of if you are a leader and you are a visionary,
think about the shadow and the dark side of your strengths.
But think about it from a lens of the people
that are around you, whether it's your employees
or those that you're called to serve,
and think of how it impacts them.
Because it's very, again, we have such drive
and drive is good.
Ambition is good when it's directed in the right way.
Don't crush everyone in your way to get to your success.
Right, there's different ways to get to success
is what you're really referring to.
And you look at two extremely successful leaders,
some that we might villainize and some that we might herald.
You got Martin Luther King, who led with love.
You got Hitler, who led with hate.
And let's keep the two extremes at those individuals.
I'm not gonna judge either one.
I don't have that capacity and power,
but they both had extreme strengths.
And so we as visionaries don't always,
again, perspective's so hard to see.
And so we end up taking things one certain way,
but it's like if we argued right now about my thumb,
and you're arguing about one side,
I'm telling you, I see a nail and you're like,
I see a fingerprint and I'm like, well, you're lying.
And I'm not like you, you can't see both sides.
Well, we have a YouTube video.
I'll drop it in the resources as well.
In fact, it's just a little video.
I didn't post it to YouTube yet.
It's called the 4D perspective.
And it talks about the 3D aspect that you're talking about.
It talks about God's dimension as well
and how he see things from across time as well.
You can see the past future, the present, all of that.
We have such limited view as human beings
that as entrepreneurs, when we take a back seat
or when we take a step back and take the humility approach,
the confidence to be able to trust
that somebody else is gonna help,
we surround ourselves with great people
who can uplift us up.
You said coaches, you said mentors, you did not say coach.
You did not say mentor.
LeBron James is on my wall for a reason.
He doesn't have one coach.
I hate when people say, I hate it when they say it,
I don't hate them.
I feel bad for them when they say,
I already have a coach.
I'm like, do they control you?
Like, what got you to say that
where you felt like they were the God of everything you do?
We can't do that to, I won't do that to myself.
I need lots of coaches and mentors,
whether it's my children that are coaching me,
I'm being a better dad and saying, dad,
that doesn't feel right.
Or whether it's my ex who says,
whatever she has to say about life,
or it's somebody that we're paying in coaching capacity,
team members that we're working with.
We can do far better when we have people around us
who are supportive and who are healthy.
Be careful who you bring into your life though,
because not everybody will lead you to your next levels.
So dude, this is awesome.
Thank you, you inspired it.
I get the color comment, I get the easy part.
Oh, I feel the same way.
When I'm podcasting and I'm in the other shoes,
it's so great, it's fun to be on this side for sure.
Thank you for the free session, Red Wallace.
I appreciate this.
It's so powerful.
So those of you listening in,
you'll be able to connect with Red, of course.
All the links will be below the show.
It says action steps to get connected with Red.
And then below that,
we'll also have all the resources that we talked about.
So you can dive into that deeper level well
of resources that have helped us get to where we are.
If you feel inspired by that, awesome.
Please note to the visionaries,
you're not gonna have the same path and the same journey.
You don't have all the same variables that Red and I have.
And so your journey and experience is going to be unique.
Honor you and the process of leaning
on what we might have to offer.
And if you're also somebody who wants to share your vision
on this show, top right corner,
there's a button that says, be our guest.
Come and talk about it.
If you're helping the world out,
we wanna have you on the show.
Red, I'm gonna let you close out today.
Any final thoughts?
Come on, I would just say,
again, I love what you said about the coaches, plural.
And I would add in on that being coachable
as a part of that.
And land the plane a little bit.
I also love you mentioned that you had the four Ds
because as I prepare and release my first book,
which you can find that link somewhere,
join the waiting list for that.
It's called the Red Print,
the five Rs to discover your true identity.
And I could go through them real quick,
but you know what, I'll go through them real quick.
So the five Rs are you've got to recognize.
So like we mentioned today,
you've got to recognize those false narratives,
those limited beliefs,
those lies that you've been seeing as true when they're not.
And then once you've recognized, then you can reorganize.
You can shift your thoughts,
the way that your mindset aligns with the true freedom
that you've been called to.
And then that third R is rediscover.
Because once you've recognized the lies
and you've shifted your thoughts,
you then begin to rediscover who God has created
and called you to be.
And then out of rediscovering, you start rebuilding
and you've rebuilt on a foundation that's so strong.
But it doesn't stop there.
Like once you've built the house,
then there's that refinement.
And I love this piece.
It's funny just to share a little bit
of a personal journey before I land the plane
is the refinement piece was one that came to me.
And I feel like the Lord blessed me to see all of the Rs.
But here recently, I felt an even more refinement on myself.
And I feel like there's this beauty of as leaders
and as visionaries, and I'll land the plane here
is we go first.
And I love how you shared personally your story
and your journey.
And it's out of us choosing to go first
in our vulnerability and our authenticity.
That's what's gonna show those that we lead
that it's okay to not put on a front
and put on this facade of, oh, I have to be this or that.
And when we're able to come to what we do fully ourselves,
then we're able to truly live out
with full fulfillment and purpose.
And I'm really encouraged by what I feel like
you were going, you listeners, you watchers at home
are gonna get from this book.
And this book is also based on my coaching.
So again, if you're wanting something more
than just a book, because it's like Jackson said,
not everybody's routes are gonna look the same.
Some people can read a book and catch everything they need.
And that's amazing.
And that's awesome.
Some people need a little bit more personalized,
tailor-made approach.
And that's why I'm offering these one-on-one coaching
programs, this one-on-one coaching program
so that we can really sit down and I can hold that space
for you to really walk through each of these five R's
and really discover who you're created to be.
But not only just keep it in concept,
but then take radical action.
Because it's the both ends.
Because if there was a six R, it would be results.
But the results don't come until you do all those other things
don't happen until, the results don't happen until you do that.
But I'll close with that is, again,
what an honor it was to be on your podcast
and what you're doing here.
And I'd be more than happy to come back sometime.
Love it. Guys, if you didn't catch it, didn't hear it,
you just give every single second that he possibly could
to us from his heart, his soul, his mind.
And as those results come to us, it
will allow us to release, restore,
resurrect better leaders.
Excellent job, Red.
Vision Pros we'll see you on the next episode.
Take care, everybody.
Thank you for being here today.
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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions
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And thank you for giving us your time and attention.
Have an excellent time building out your vision
and becoming a leader.