Tell me about your vision.
Well, what I really think is going
to be the revolution in medicine,
and therefore the revolution in health,
is the use of infrared light.
And that's what I'm going to really be talking about today,
is how infrared light can make you healthier.
That's awesome.
Tell me more about that.
Well, certain wavelengths of infrared light
have the ability, if they can get through your scalp
and skull, to activate the mitochondria, which
are the little energy organelles and cells.
And that turns on brain healing.
But there's another aspect that I'm going to focus on today,
and that is certain wavelengths of infrared light
increase the ability of your brain to clear toxins.
Now, this becomes really important.
So let me tell you a little bit about the system that
clears toxins from the brain first.
So we've been studying the brain for hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds of years.
And until eight years ago, we did not
know that the brain had its own lymphatic system.
That is, not to move blood, but to move liquid
and to move toxins.
And with the discovery of that lymphatic system
and the study that's gone on in the last eight years,
we now understand that that system is what clears things
like amyloid and tau and those other nasty proteins that
cause disease.
That's awesome.
I used to do, I mean, I think I still do sometimes,
I do red light therapy.
And that's all infrared.
But I wasn't aware there's multiple versions
of this red light therapy.
Absolutely.
Big spectrum of light.
Yeah.
So where did this vision of you coming in and talking
about infrared and researching in that area come from?
Well, I started working with infrared light
as a treatment for traumatic brain injury back in 2012.
And at that time, there were lots of animal studies.
But no one had grown it up so it worked on humans.
They had things that worked on mice,
but they didn't work on humans because our scalp and skull
is a whole lot thicker than that of a mouse.
So we worked on that.
We went in the laboratory and figured out
how exactly, how much energy you need,
how do you have to pulse it, what wavelengths
to be able to get into the human brain.
And we started treating patients.
And they started getting better.
That's awesome.
So I think I'm assuming on this side,
but I'm assuming you have case studies
and people who have actually gotten better
from using infrared.
And you have a list of all those referrals, correct?
Yeah, we published our first study in 2015
on traumatic brain injury in 2017.
We published a larger series of patients
who were treated for depression.
Right now, Harvard and I are working together
on a research grant to look specifically
at traumatic brain injury.
That's awesome.
So what is your goal for being on the show, then, Doctor?
Well, I'll be honest.
There's two goals.
Let's talk about the first goal.
The first goal is to really get people thinking
about infrared light differently.
And you're a great example.
Well, I've got this infrared sauna, or this infrared bed,
or this infrared pad that I can put on myself.
And usually, those are working in the wavelengths
that help with inflammation.
And so it has great anti-inflammatory properties.
But those wavelengths don't do anything for the brain.
And they can't get through your skin to reach the brain.
You have to have enough energy to get through the scalp
and into the brain.
And I think that one of the things
that we had to start thinking about is how to be healthier.
And part of that is going to be understanding
how to clear the toxins from our brain.
I mean, not just recreational toxins,
like I enjoy my wine, and it's a toxin.
But also the toxins that accumulate just
from aging, and just from use, and just
from a rough game of touch football,
or people whose professions are to get their brain bonked
around, like football players and soldiers.
But also just your entrepreneur, your hard-driven businessman
or businesswoman who is working long hours and not sleeping
enough, they will develop a kind of cumulative,
accumulation of toxins.
Because here's the thing about that system that
clears toxins from the brain.
It's called the glymphatic system, by the way.
It works best in stage four sleep.
That is a deep sleep.
It's four times more effective in deep sleep
than it is when you're awake.
So if you're not getting good sleep, like you're depressed,
you have a concussion or a brain injury,
you have too much deadlines, you have PTSD, you have anxiety,
all these, you have the beginnings
of mild cognitive impairment, the beginnings of dementia,
your sleep gets worse.
And therefore, you're not clearing these toxins.
But even in a healthy person, if you're not
getting enough stage four sleep, you're not clearing the toxins.
So what do you do?
What do you do?
Certain wavelengths of infrared light actually
increase the clearance of toxins from the brain.
So by treating the brain with these certain wavelengths,
you will triple the amount of toxins
you're clearing from your brain.
And this was shown in mice who were made Alzheimer's
because they make too much amyloid.
And they showed that they cleared the amyloid much more
effectively when they were treated with that infrared light.
Again, you had to have enough energy
to get through the scalp and the skull and into the brain.
Yeah.
There was a second goal, right?
I'm one guy.
In Denver, with one clinic, treated hundreds of patients.
Every single patient has gotten better.
I'm sure there's someone out there
who would like to be part of that,
who would like to see a clinic on the East Coast
and a clinic on the West Coast and a clinic in Texas
or wherever, Chicago, et cetera.
We need that because there are so many people who are suffering.
Wow.
That's awesome.
Every patient got better.
Every single patient has seen benefit that we have treated.
Yes.
That's awesome.
Would you like an example?
Yeah, go ahead.
So let's start with something really intriguing and kind
of hot topic right now.
Long COVID.
You get COVID.
You get over the COVID, but you're still fatigued
and you have trouble breathing and you can't think.
And you have to take time off from work.
You get behind.
That long COVID, we're still figuring out what it is.
The federal government spent millions of dollars on a study
and all they did was, OK, here are the symptoms of long COVID.
We've got no treatment.
We're treating it with infrared light.
And we're seeing complete resolution of the fatigue
and the brain fog and other neurological symptoms
like a tremor.
And we're seeing patients who could walk up a flight of stairs.
They're now back to hiking the 14ers here in Colorado,
the Rocky Mountains.
So that's pretty cool.
It is, yeah.
That's awesome.
That's a lot of times, specifically,
my experience with Western medicine hasn't been well.
They've gone and treated symptoms and stuff
and nothing has healed a lot of places a lot of times.
So if there is something that actually treats and heals you,
I think that's amazing.
And I think China needs to be promoted.
So that's awesome.
Yeah, yeah.
Western medicine's answer is a pill, right?
You're depressed, here, take a pill.
But the chance that you're going to get better from SSRI,
about 17%, that's it.
Because in reality, this is going to shock your audience.
In reality, serotonin has nothing to do with depression.
Science has proven that.
And I wrote a book about depression.
It's right up there, brighter days ahead.
And we talk about that depression is, in fact,
a degenerative process in the brain.
Synapses are breaking down.
Circuits are breaking down.
Cells are dying.
And the frontal cortex is shrinking in depression.
Now, the good news is you can reverse that.
Neuroplasticity will reverse that.
This is where infrared light for depression has been amazing.
I said the response rate to Prozac was like 17%.
In our study, the response rate was 93%.
So almost everybody in the study saw improvement
in their depression.
Not just a little bit, but a lot.
And we followed those patients since 2017.
We did the study in 2015.
So we're now, what, nine years later?
A lot of them are still doing great.
No meds.
Our patients with traumatic brain injury,
they're still doing great.
So this is powerful and long lasting.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
I would love if your team could send us
some of those case studies and those research
that you've done.
I think that'd be amazing for us to verify.
And that being said, the second point,
let me ask you a question on the infrared.
At what stage does someone, let's say,
the infrared therapy that I do, just inflammation one,
and then the infrared therapy that you do,
which is in the brain one, at what stage
does someone should just focus on this or that or both?
And why would that be?
And how do they decide, hey, is my gym membership
that gives me the infrared therapy or the bed I have,
the lights I have, is that enough or not?
Right.
That's a great question.
So there's sort of two parts to it.
First is the wavelength question.
Because infrared is this big spectrum.
And some of the spectrums will do things to the mitochondria
because the mitochondria contain copper.
And the copper says, OK, this wavelength around 800,
that's going to turn me on.
1160 doesn't do anything to me.
So you have to have the right wavelength.
The second thing is you have to have the right power.
So low power LED things, these hoods and these helmets
that you can buy and stick on top of your head,
they penetrate about 0.8 millimeters.
That's like seven sheets of paper into the skin.
And that's it.
They don't get through scalp.
They don't get through skull.
And my skull is thicker than most.
But the average skull is about 7 millimeters thick.
You need enough energy to get through that to actually really
treat the brain.
And so what we do in our clinic with the multi-watt device
is we actually get to the brain and activate the brain
directly.
All these little devices that can stick on your head
with LEDs, and whether it's a hood or a cap or wireframe
thing, they're treating the skin.
They're treating the skin.
And there's an indirect effect from the skin
to the brain and the rest of the body.
So I'm not saying it doesn't do anything.
But what it does is very small.
And the moment you stop that treatment on a daily basis,
it goes away.
That's the difference.
That's awesome.
Well, there's the other side of the equation.
You mentioned two goals for being on the show.
One of the goals was if more people would open the franchises
that you have in maybe a franchise, maybe a clinic,
maybe just a branch.
Can a normal person afford treatments at your clinic?
And the second question is, if someone
wants to get in and do open a clinic,
what's the process about it?
To answer the second question first, just reach out to me
directly.
The patients that we're treating,
it's a cash operation because insurances,
they'll get around to accepting this in about 20 years.
Right now, this is innovative.
So it's much like stem cell clinics.
If you go to a stem cell clinic and you
get a stem cell injection for x amount of dollars
and you don't have to have hip surgery, that's a win.
So in our clinic, we come in, patients get treated,
and they get rid of their ADHD medication
or they get rid of their antidepressant or take
one antidepressant at a much lower dose
than they did before.
Or they don't have all the brain injury problems.
We had a geophysicist, and she got hit by a car
while riding her bike.
Geophysicist, so she's working with complex math.
She couldn't do two plus two.
She couldn't add two plus two.
Now she's back to working her very complicated job
doing complex math.
All of her symptoms went away.
What about schizophrenia or things like,
I can't remember the exact words,
but like schizophrenia and things like that.
Do you guys treat that as well?
Unfortunately, schizophrenia is a little bit
different situation.
It's really driven.
There are genes that are involved in schizophrenia,
and it's not a degenerative mechanism
that we're necessarily able to undo.
So there's very little in the entire world
of looking at treating patients with infrared light.
There's very, very little success
in the area of schizophrenia, just to be honest.
So what's the broad category that infrared treats?
Yeah, good.
It's more of a laundry list.
So traumatic brain injury and concussion,
which is an injury.
That's a physical injury.
Alzheimer's and mild cognitive impairment.
Parkinson's disease.
I have patients who have been steady on their meds
for seven years instead of every few months
you have to increase the dose of Parkinson's.
Depression, anxiety, PTSD.
And then we're finding long COVID.
And interestingly, out of our long COVID patients,
several of them have ADHD, but they don't need their ADHD meds
anymore.
They can concentrate just fine after this treatment.
So an emerging area is ADHD.
And can you imagine that from a health standpoint in America?
One out of six kids is on ADHD meds.
Every morning, mom has to give their kid a stimulant medication.
Nobody wants to do that.
You're right.
We could get rid of that.
So that's why I get excited about this.
The potential is huge for us to help a whole lot of people
get away from this Western medicine model of dumping
chemicals into people and do something that really
is working with the brain's own natural mechanisms,
clearing toxins, neuroplasticity.
Thank you for being here today.
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