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Tell me about your vision.

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Well, what I really think is going

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to be the revolution in medicine,

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and therefore the revolution in health,

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is the use of infrared light.

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And that's what I'm going to really be talking about today,

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is how infrared light can make you healthier.

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That's awesome.

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Tell me more about that.

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Well, certain wavelengths of infrared light

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have the ability, if they can get through your scalp

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and skull, to activate the mitochondria, which

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are the little energy organelles and cells.

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And that turns on brain healing.

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But there's another aspect that I'm going to focus on today,

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and that is certain wavelengths of infrared light

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increase the ability of your brain to clear toxins.

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Now, this becomes really important.

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So let me tell you a little bit about the system that

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clears toxins from the brain first.

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So we've been studying the brain for hundreds and hundreds

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and hundreds of years.

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And until eight years ago, we did not

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know that the brain had its own lymphatic system.

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That is, not to move blood, but to move liquid

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and to move toxins.

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And with the discovery of that lymphatic system

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and the study that's gone on in the last eight years,

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we now understand that that system is what clears things

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like amyloid and tau and those other nasty proteins that

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cause disease.

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That's awesome.

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I used to do, I mean, I think I still do sometimes,

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I do red light therapy.

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And that's all infrared.

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But I wasn't aware there's multiple versions

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of this red light therapy.

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Absolutely.

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Big spectrum of light.

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Yeah.

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So where did this vision of you coming in and talking

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about infrared and researching in that area come from?

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Well, I started working with infrared light

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as a treatment for traumatic brain injury back in 2012.

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And at that time, there were lots of animal studies.

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But no one had grown it up so it worked on humans.

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They had things that worked on mice,

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but they didn't work on humans because our scalp and skull

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is a whole lot thicker than that of a mouse.

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So we worked on that.

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We went in the laboratory and figured out

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how exactly, how much energy you need,

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how do you have to pulse it, what wavelengths

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to be able to get into the human brain.

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And we started treating patients.

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And they started getting better.

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That's awesome.

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So I think I'm assuming on this side,

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but I'm assuming you have case studies

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and people who have actually gotten better

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from using infrared.

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And you have a list of all those referrals, correct?

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Yeah, we published our first study in 2015

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on traumatic brain injury in 2017.

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We published a larger series of patients

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who were treated for depression.

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Right now, Harvard and I are working together

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on a research grant to look specifically

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at traumatic brain injury.

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That's awesome.

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So what is your goal for being on the show, then, Doctor?

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Well, I'll be honest.

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There's two goals.

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Let's talk about the first goal.

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The first goal is to really get people thinking

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about infrared light differently.

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And you're a great example.

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Well, I've got this infrared sauna, or this infrared bed,

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or this infrared pad that I can put on myself.

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And usually, those are working in the wavelengths

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that help with inflammation.

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And so it has great anti-inflammatory properties.

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But those wavelengths don't do anything for the brain.

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And they can't get through your skin to reach the brain.

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You have to have enough energy to get through the scalp

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and into the brain.

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And I think that one of the things

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that we had to start thinking about is how to be healthier.

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And part of that is going to be understanding

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how to clear the toxins from our brain.

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I mean, not just recreational toxins,

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like I enjoy my wine, and it's a toxin.

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But also the toxins that accumulate just

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from aging, and just from use, and just

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from a rough game of touch football,

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or people whose professions are to get their brain bonked

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around, like football players and soldiers.

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But also just your entrepreneur, your hard-driven businessman

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or businesswoman who is working long hours and not sleeping

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enough, they will develop a kind of cumulative,

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accumulation of toxins.

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Because here's the thing about that system that

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clears toxins from the brain.

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It's called the glymphatic system, by the way.

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It works best in stage four sleep.

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That is a deep sleep.

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It's four times more effective in deep sleep

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than it is when you're awake.

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So if you're not getting good sleep, like you're depressed,

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you have a concussion or a brain injury,

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you have too much deadlines, you have PTSD, you have anxiety,

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all these, you have the beginnings

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of mild cognitive impairment, the beginnings of dementia,

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your sleep gets worse.

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And therefore, you're not clearing these toxins.

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But even in a healthy person, if you're not

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getting enough stage four sleep, you're not clearing the toxins.

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So what do you do?

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What do you do?

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Certain wavelengths of infrared light actually

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increase the clearance of toxins from the brain.

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So by treating the brain with these certain wavelengths,

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you will triple the amount of toxins

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you're clearing from your brain.

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And this was shown in mice who were made Alzheimer's

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because they make too much amyloid.

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And they showed that they cleared the amyloid much more

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effectively when they were treated with that infrared light.

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Again, you had to have enough energy

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to get through the scalp and the skull and into the brain.

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There was a second goal, right?

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I'm one guy.

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In Denver, with one clinic, treated hundreds of patients.

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Every single patient has gotten better.

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I'm sure there's someone out there

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who would like to be part of that,

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who would like to see a clinic on the East Coast

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and a clinic on the West Coast and a clinic in Texas

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or wherever, Chicago, et cetera.

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We need that because there are so many people who are suffering.

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That's awesome.

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Every patient got better.

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Every single patient has seen benefit that we have treated.

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That's awesome.

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Would you like an example?

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Yeah, go ahead.

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So let's start with something really intriguing and kind

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of hot topic right now.

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Long COVID.

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You get COVID.

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You get over the COVID, but you're still fatigued

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and you have trouble breathing and you can't think.

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You get behind.

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That long COVID, we're still figuring out what it is.

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The federal government spent millions of dollars on a study

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and all they did was, OK, here are the symptoms of long COVID.

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We've got no treatment.

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We're treating it with infrared light.

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And we're seeing complete resolution of the fatigue

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and the brain fog and other neurological symptoms

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like a tremor.

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And we're seeing patients who could walk up a flight of stairs.

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They're now back to hiking the 14ers here in Colorado,

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the Rocky Mountains.

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So that's pretty cool.

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It is, yeah.

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That's awesome.

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That's a lot of times, specifically,

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my experience with Western medicine hasn't been well.

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They've gone and treated symptoms and stuff

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and nothing has healed a lot of places a lot of times.

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I think that's amazing.

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And I think China needs to be promoted.

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So that's awesome.

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Western medicine's answer is a pill, right?

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You're depressed, here, take a pill.

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But the chance that you're going to get better from SSRI,

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about 17%, that's it.

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Because in reality, this is going to shock your audience.

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In reality, serotonin has nothing to do with depression.

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Science has proven that.

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And I wrote a book about depression.

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It's right up there, brighter days ahead.

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And we talk about that depression is, in fact,

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a degenerative process in the brain.

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Synapses are breaking down.

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Circuits are breaking down.

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Cells are dying.

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And the frontal cortex is shrinking in depression.

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Now, the good news is you can reverse that.

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Neuroplasticity will reverse that.

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This is where infrared light for depression has been amazing.

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I said the response rate to Prozac was like 17%.

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In our study, the response rate was 93%.

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So almost everybody in the study saw improvement

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in their depression.

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Not just a little bit, but a lot.

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And we followed those patients since 2017.

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We did the study in 2015.

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So we're now, what, nine years later?

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A lot of them are still doing great.

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they're still doing great.

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So this is powerful and long lasting.

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That's awesome.

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I would love if your team could send us

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some of those case studies and those research

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that you've done.

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I think that'd be amazing for us to verify.

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And that being said, the second point,

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let me ask you a question on the infrared.

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At what stage does someone, let's say,

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the infrared therapy that I do, just inflammation one,

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and then the infrared therapy that you do,

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which is in the brain one, at what stage

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does someone should just focus on this or that or both?

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And why would that be?

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And how do they decide, hey, is my gym membership

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that gives me the infrared therapy or the bed I have,

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the lights I have, is that enough or not?

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That's a great question.

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So there's sort of two parts to it.

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First is the wavelength question.

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Because infrared is this big spectrum.

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because the mitochondria contain copper.

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And the copper says, OK, this wavelength around 800,

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that's going to turn me on.

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1160 doesn't do anything to me.

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So you have to have the right wavelength.

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The second thing is you have to have the right power.

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that you can buy and stick on top of your head,

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they penetrate about 0.8 millimeters.

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That's like seven sheets of paper into the skin.

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And that's it.

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They don't get through scalp.

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They don't get through skull.

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And my skull is thicker than most.

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But the average skull is about 7 millimeters thick.

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You need enough energy to get through that to actually really

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treat the brain.

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And so what we do in our clinic with the multi-watt device

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is we actually get to the brain and activate the brain

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directly.

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All these little devices that can stick on your head

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with LEDs, and whether it's a hood or a cap or wireframe

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thing, they're treating the skin.

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They're treating the skin.

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And there's an indirect effect from the skin

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to the brain and the rest of the body.

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So I'm not saying it doesn't do anything.

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But what it does is very small.

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And the moment you stop that treatment on a daily basis,

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That's the difference.

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That's awesome.

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Well, there's the other side of the equation.

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You mentioned two goals for being on the show.

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One of the goals was if more people would open the franchises

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that you have in maybe a franchise, maybe a clinic,

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maybe just a branch.

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Can a normal person afford treatments at your clinic?

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And the second question is, if someone

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wants to get in and do open a clinic,

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what's the process about it?

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To answer the second question first, just reach out to me

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directly.

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The patients that we're treating,

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it's a cash operation because insurances,

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they'll get around to accepting this in about 20 years.

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Right now, this is innovative.

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So it's much like stem cell clinics.

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If you go to a stem cell clinic and you

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get a stem cell injection for x amount of dollars

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and you don't have to have hip surgery, that's a win.

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So in our clinic, we come in, patients get treated,

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and they get rid of their ADHD medication

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or they get rid of their antidepressant or take

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one antidepressant at a much lower dose

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than they did before.

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Or they don't have all the brain injury problems.

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We had a geophysicist, and she got hit by a car

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while riding her bike.

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Geophysicist, so she's working with complex math.

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She couldn't do two plus two.

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She couldn't add two plus two.

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Now she's back to working her very complicated job

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doing complex math.

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All of her symptoms went away.

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What about schizophrenia or things like,

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I can't remember the exact words,

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but like schizophrenia and things like that.

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Do you guys treat that as well?

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Unfortunately, schizophrenia is a little bit

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different situation.

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It's really driven.

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There are genes that are involved in schizophrenia,

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and it's not a degenerative mechanism

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that we're necessarily able to undo.

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So there's very little in the entire world

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of looking at treating patients with infrared light.

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There's very, very little success

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in the area of schizophrenia, just to be honest.

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So what's the broad category that infrared treats?

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Yeah, good.

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It's more of a laundry list.

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So traumatic brain injury and concussion,

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which is an injury.

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That's a physical injury.

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Alzheimer's and mild cognitive impairment.

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Parkinson's disease.

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I have patients who have been steady on their meds

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for seven years instead of every few months

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you have to increase the dose of Parkinson's.

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Depression, anxiety, PTSD.

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And then we're finding long COVID.

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And interestingly, out of our long COVID patients,

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several of them have ADHD, but they don't need their ADHD meds

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anymore.

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They can concentrate just fine after this treatment.

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So an emerging area is ADHD.

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And can you imagine that from a health standpoint in America?

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One out of six kids is on ADHD meds.

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Every morning, mom has to give their kid a stimulant medication.

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Nobody wants to do that.

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You're right.

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We could get rid of that.

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So that's why I get excited about this.

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The potential is huge for us to help a whole lot of people

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get away from this Western medicine model of dumping

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chemicals into people and do something that really

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is working with the brain's own natural mechanisms,

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clearing toxins, neuroplasticity.

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Thank you for being here today.

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I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions

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as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is going to get more and more fun.

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We'll have more and more engagement as well.

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We'll invite people to participate in the show.

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And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision

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and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.

