1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,560 What is the best leadership experience you've had? 2 00:00:03,900 --> 00:00:04,960 Wow. 3 00:00:04,980 --> 00:00:05,300 Cool. 4 00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:05,720 Cool. 5 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:12,200 Well, I would say I do a lot of work in photography and I teach 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:12,760 photography. 7 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:19,720 So that journey has been amazing to be able to be in front of eight to 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,720 10 people every couple of weeks and teach concepts and technical aspects 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,440 that can be a little bit tricky to get your head around. 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,480 And lead a group for four hours through that journey of understanding 11 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:41,280 from zero to quite strong understanding of photography skills and 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,840 tactics and techniques. 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,080 So that's been a really great experience of trying to understand how 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:56,800 to teach people complicated, almost scientific knowledge in a really 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,400 simple way. 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,000 So that journey of teaching photography has been a great journey for me. 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,440 My whole podcasting journey has been a great leadership experience because 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:14,040 I'm always continuing to learn and grow and ask better questions and 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,920 lead myself down that journey of becoming a better podcaster and a 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:19,720 podcast host. 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,800 And what else? 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,040 Where else do I lead? 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,760 Yeah, so I think it's really all those different things that I do when I'm in 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,880 front of a group and I'm trying to convey information. 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,000 For me, that's a form of leadership because I'm trying to explain things 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,520 in the most simple way and useful and valuable way I can. 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,520 And that's a real challenge that I've really enjoyed. 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:54,040 The second side of this story, Darren, and that side, it might take some 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:02:00,480 time to think about it if you need to, is the experiences you've had with 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,880 other leaders that you thought, oh, my gosh, they are great leaders and what 31 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,640 made them great leaders? 32 00:02:08,640 --> 00:02:15,000 Yeah, well, I mean, I'm always I'm always amazed by whenever I start in 33 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,520 any field or in any area, I absolutely am a layman and I know nothing and I'm 34 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,920 totally green. 35 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:26,080 And then I look at the people that I learn from and I'm saying, wow, these 36 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,320 guys are amazing. 37 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,320 I really look up to them. 38 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,920 Guys and girls are amazing. 39 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:30,640 They look up to them. 40 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:31,640 They learn so much. 41 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:33,040 They know so much. 42 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,720 They're so talented in how they convey information. 43 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,960 And then as I start to go down that journey and learn more and then maybe start 44 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:47,400 teaching some of that myself to other people, I start to realize, OK, cool, I 45 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:52,480 understand what it feels like when you're doing it from the other side. 46 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,840 And it's just a game of time. 47 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,200 Like when you're starting out, you know nothing and you think everybody else is 48 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,200 way ahead of the journey than you. 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,960 And you look up to them and I still look up to those people, but I realize that a 50 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,360 lot of it is just time. 51 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,880 And the more you do something, the better and the more you try something, then you 52 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,760 start to build that capability and that competence and the confidence. 53 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,520 And then you look back at your journey and you say, wow, OK, I'm kind of there as 54 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,520 well. 55 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,080 And you're teaching other people. 56 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:31,480 So the thing that I've learned really is to just give it time and realize that 57 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,120 everybody's on their own journey and their own point in that continuum. 58 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,040 And that's all we're all just learning from each other at different points in 59 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:46,040 our journey.