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Jack skills. Tell me about your vision.

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My vision really is that we need to manage differently and better and less.

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And so what we've been doing for the last, what I've been doing, my mission now these days for the last 15 years has been to help managers understand that they can do less managing and be better managers and make people happier, make organizations better.

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I love that. I'm a big fan of the one minute manager. In fact, I don't hear it talked about very often. But is that something that you're a fan of or that's something you're like, no, I don't like it either.

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Oh, that was a cornerstone book in the business of business books and the like. So, no, a huge fan of it. I'm a huge fan of the idea that simple interactions matter. I think there's a big step forward from where we were back then to where it took us to.

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I think that the there's a lot of science now behind how we should be managing the like. And my book, though, is instead being like 80 pages, it's about 380 pages.

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Oh, nice.

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I was a little bit more busy in terms of how to think about the business. But one minute manager was great. And until then, management was largely thought of as a business of how to punish people, essentially, if they weren't doing enough work, right?

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And so there's a great first step towards there being more of a practice model. That is, I'm trying to help people get work done.