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Where would you say that this vision of you wanting to train people and coach people come from?

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You know, I don't really, I can't really give you the impetus behind it or the germination, but it kind of just organically presented itself to be honest.

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I started competing in bodybuilding very early on in the 2000s, probably, well, I said early on, like 2008, 2009. And when I started to compete in bodybuilding, obviously before the show, I'm preparing for my contest.

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So I'm getting a lot leaner and I'm showcasing a different physique to people that are around me in my local gym. And then it was only then when people start coming up to me and asking me what I'm doing, what kind of diet am I on, et cetera, you know the questions.

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And then that started to turn into, hey, can you watch me do this set? Can you see what my form looks? Can you, you know, and then they started asking me questions on, you know, what's a good exercise for this muscle? What's good exercise for that muscle?

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And I started to notice that I love to pour into people when it came to me just sharing whatever knowledge I had on the endeavor of getting a better body.

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And that's what kind of presented itself, the idea organically to become a personal trainer. And then so that's really how it started for me. And I've been doing it ever since. And I've just been doing it at different levels for a very long period of time.