1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,720 for one year. One year. One year in Ireland in the last decade. How long were you in New York for? 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:14,720 About just under three years, like two and a half. Okay and then Australia? And then Ireland and then 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,880 I was like well the states aren't gonna let me back in so. I mean it's fine I was there, I was 4 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:27,360 there like last month it's fine. But do you know what to be totally honest I lived in New York and 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:32,720 you know that that phrase if you can make it here you can make it anywhere. That kept me stuck so I 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,360 was like I have to make it. I have to make it. I should have bowed out after like a year. That city 7 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:47,120 beat the living out of me. So yeah I went home to Ireland. You're so real. I love that. Hey I live in 8 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:53,120 New Braunfels Texas too. Austin was a little bit too much. I love Austin. It's too much. But it was 9 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:59,840 same thing. I was like whoa this is this is a hard place to compete in. So yes I get that. And I left 10 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,480 Ireland like I had a going away party. I was like I'm gonna be Carrie Bradshaw. I'm gonna live my 11 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:09,760 sex and city life. I'm gonna work in a big advertising agency. Like had it all mapped out that 12 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:16,080 my ego. I mean I was quite young. I was in my early 20s. My ego was like you cannot go back home. A 13 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:22,880 failure you know. So yeah that kept me stuck for a very long time. I eventually did go home to Ireland 14 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:28,720 for a year. And in the process of that time I had my cousin ask me to come out to Australia. And I 15 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:35,200 was like Australia what a bandwagon. I'm like no it's not for me. It's not for me. Who doesn't want to go down under. 16 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,760 I know. I'm like what. Anyway almost eight years later I have my citizenship. 17 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:48,080 And yeah this is this is home. Oh man that's so cool. One I just love I think a lot of us out there 18 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:54,880 can relate to the idea of like you know what there's no defeat in home. You know and realizing that 19 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,160 there's an opportunity to regroup. In fact who if you look at the documentaries right and the stories 20 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:06,880 of the people who crushed it right and are awesome and amazing. They all had tremendous opportunities 21 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:13,520 to regroup reposition pivot figure things out. If you want to make meaningful impact life's going 22 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:19,600 to probably have a pretty meaningful impact on us too. All right. So we're going to talk about that now 23 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,680 in order to get to where you are. And so sooner than I. By the way I love your website. It's got 24 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:30,320 super clarity in terms of like going from invisible to in demand. I was like whoa that alone like that 25 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:38,000 that is such a powerful message. And you're you're helping lead women but also inspiring men like me. 26 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:44,080 I'm like well maybe she can help me on this too. Let's start with the three resources. What three 27 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,640 resources do you recommend for other visionary leaders that have helped you on your journey. 28 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:55,680 So I'm going to come at this from a bit of an unconventional aspect. One of the my favorite one 29 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:02,880 of the hundred the book that had the most profound impact on my life is called You You Already Know. 30 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:12,480 It's by Helen Jacobs. She is an Australian author. It is very woo woo. But it is it was The Straw That 31 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,840 Broke the Camel's Back. I read it and I mean it took our audience's woo woo by the way. We're 32 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:23,280 excellent pros. It's vision like we're going big you know. So yes I love it. My kind of people. 33 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:29,760 So I mean it took me a long time to read it. I would get to a part and it would. I don't think 34 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,920 I'm ready for that and I would close it and I'd leave it on the bedside for you know a couple of 35 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:40,080 months until I felt inspired and had enough capacity to open it again. But that book got me 36 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,600 to realize that I was in quite a toxic relationship that I really wanted to own my own business which 37 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:50,000 I've talked about my whole life. But it was really the like what are you doing. You're just 38 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:56,080 floating through life. You know what you want for your life. This is the kick up the rear end that 39 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:02,880 you need. And yes there was like I said like lots of woo woo woven into it. But it was really 40 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:08,240 it was really just there was something in it. It just it switched something in me and I've never 41 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,360 been able to switch it off since. I would show it to you but I have lent it to a friend. It's 42 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,880 doing the rounds of my of my friend group. It's almost falling apart. Like I love it. So yeah 43 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:26,480 that's my that's my number one. Okay if I lose track today by the way on this show you've got me 44 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,120 mesmerized right now because I've been watching Rings of Power. The Lord of the Rings thing and 45 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,800 your accent and the heart-foots and I'm like getting lost in that show just listening to you. 46 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,840 Sorry go ahead you can continue. What's number two? I love it. What is number two? Number two is 47 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:49,200 another book and it's not very well promoted. Well I don't think it is. It's called Key Person of 48 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:54,560 Influence by Daniel Priestley and it's quite a small book. I do have it on that shelf there. 49 00:04:54,560 --> 00:05:00,800 I like small books. And it's very small. The print is nice and big and essentially what he does is 50 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:07,760 he talks about how to build gain influence and leverage it which essentially if we're in business 51 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,560 we want to create any kind of impact. Be a strong leader. That's essentially what we need to do. 52 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:18,400 We need to first of all need to know what we're talking about. Know our stuff. Then we need to 53 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,200 tell the world that we know our stuff and then we need to collaborate and put ourselves in 54 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:31,120 situations where we can then talk about it and gain that know, like and trust factor and then 55 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,400 build on it and grow our community and our influence. So that's the book. I love it. 56 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:45,440 Be a strong leader. Sunddu, you're a strong leader probably. issued British noкуюirgd Demantee 57 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,400 for writing this book, because you're a black shorespack leader actually. 58 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,880 We'll take a look there. So yeah I also have it on both pages and in this book 59 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,920 it says one of the ones that choose to give people this book is those that feel confident 60 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,560 as a leader. And that's how we get more understanding of that work which we want to build. 61 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:05,960 like, no, we got to go after this. 62 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,360 We've got to talk and really sincerely. 63 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,360 This book right here, Hiring on Purpose, 64 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,960 like this does just that in the first pages. 65 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,040 This is, Dan Martell calls this his Bible for hiring. 66 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,000 And it says, you should not read this book 67 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,200 if you think hiring is a chore and a sudden opportunity. 68 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,440 You should not read this book 69 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,960 if you think the way you've gone about it is blah, blah, blah. 70 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,000 You should not read this book. 71 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,560 And it keeps going and it starts cussing after a while. 72 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,800 And it's like, yeah, it's like, 73 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,000 do not waste your time on our materials. 74 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:37,400 I like books like that. 75 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,240 What's the third one? 76 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,080 Yeah, I love it. 77 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,040 The third one, this is very well used, 78 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,440 but I think it's under promoted, maybe, maybe not, 79 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,760 is YouTube. 80 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,600 And I know that sounds really simplistic, 81 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,200 but it comes from the fact that nobody knows everything 82 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,160 and nobody knows what they're doing. 83 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,840 I have seen behind the curtains 84 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:02,600 some really, really big corporations 85 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,600 and they're all winging it. 86 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:05,920 Everybody's winging it. 87 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,720 So when you get to a roadblock 88 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,920 and it's something I've had to kind of retrain myself 89 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,800 in getting to a roadblock and go, 90 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,040 oh, I don't know the answer. 91 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,480 Close the laptop for the day. 92 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,720 Go on YouTube, go on Google. 93 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,760 Somebody out there has found either the answer 94 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,640 to your solution or at least a next step 95 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,600 that will then figure something else out. 96 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,600 And yeah, I mean, we use YouTube for loads of different reasons 97 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,120 and yeah, there's information age. 98 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,120 The answer is out there. 99 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,240 You just need a final. 100 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,600 It's like somebody saying math class, right? 101 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,240 That's all formulas based on years, decades of wisdom, 102 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,720 like being compiled centuries of wisdom. 103 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,120 And so yes, if we don't know how to use platforms like that 104 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,360 for our own benefit, or if we're just using them for fun, 105 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,240 then we get really lost. 106 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,120 We do, my company, we train a lot of people 107 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,040 in Central and South America. 108 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,720 And part of their, most of them wanna learn English. 109 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,720 So it was required. 110 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,560 So now they have a required 30 minutes when they come in, 111 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,840 the first 30 minutes is to learn English, 112 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,180 AKA I pay them to learn English. 113 00:08:13,180 --> 00:08:14,120 And they love it. 114 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,380 Cause they're like, oh my gosh, this is great. 115 00:08:15,380 --> 00:08:16,220 How do they do it? 116 00:08:16,220 --> 00:08:17,040 YouTube. 117 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,260 And I teach them how to ask great questions 118 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:20,940 of those YouTube influencers, 119 00:08:20,940 --> 00:08:25,520 how to give gratitude praises to those teachers 120 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:26,820 that are teaching. 121 00:08:26,820 --> 00:08:29,040 And they start creating relationships 122 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,040 with the best teachers in the world. 123 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,600 And those relationships then become our friendships 124 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,960 and come on this podcast and our Spanish podcast. 125 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,380 So YouTube is a phenomenal gold mine of opportunities 126 00:08:40,380 --> 00:08:41,600 for connections. 127 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,480 And it's the same thing with the authors 128 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,960 that you mentioned, right? 129 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,580 If I wanna know really like more about those subjects, 130 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:49,880 I'll reach out to the author and actually build a relationship 131 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:50,700 and a friendship with them. 132 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:52,760 So visionaries, you heard from Michelle, 133 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,960 these are fantastic resources that all of us can utilize. 134 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,800 When we come back, 135 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,800 we're gonna dive in more about making meaningful impact. 136 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,620 What that means to both of us. 137 00:09:01,620 --> 00:09:03,800 We'd love to hear your thoughts on that too. 138 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,380 And we'll see how we can maximize this life together 139 00:09:06,380 --> 00:09:07,900 over the next 30 minutes. 140 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:11,120 All right, welcome in to Vision Pros Live. 141 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,200 With Jackson Callum, I'm your show host. 142 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,880 We'll be doing interviews for visionary entrepreneurs 143 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,840 and guest leaders who are building 144 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,840 fantastic visions out there. 145 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,840 Hey, what's up and welcome in to another episode 146 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:31,840 of Vision Pros Live. 147 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,440 I'm your show host, Jackson Callum, 148 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,320 founder and CEO of First Class Business. 149 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,720 And I am like a little bit too bought in already 150 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,600 to our guests. 151 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,340 We've got Michelle McCarthy on stage today. 152 00:09:42,340 --> 00:09:44,640 And if you, I told her I wasn't gonna share her website, 153 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,760 but her website michellemccarthy.com.au. 154 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,880 Studio Danu, I think I'm saying that right. 155 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,600 And I believe that's a reference to a goddess. 156 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,200 And her website's all about helping you go 157 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,080 from invisible to in demand. 158 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,480 Now, like why am I so bought in? 159 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,560 And also why was I like, 160 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,440 I don't know if I trust this person. 161 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,800 The market of solopreneurship, 162 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,840 the market of anybody can do it, just start trying. 163 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,160 That is the number one most profitable market 164 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,160 there is in the business sector. 165 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,000 Because so many people don't know what they're doing. 166 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,120 And so it's easy to write a self-help book and get rich, 167 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,760 and it doesn't even have to be a good book. 168 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,960 So that makes me think, like, all right, as a visionary 169 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,140 and the leader of the show, 170 00:10:31,140 --> 00:10:33,600 how do I make sure that the people who are coming 171 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,560 on the stage are as authentic as possible 172 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:37,080 and aren't just feeding us a bunch of stuff 173 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,800 that sounds nice, but doesn't actually get us anywhere? 174 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,640 I have to be very careful with some people. 175 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,320 And they get mad at me in the process of vetting. 176 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,920 Michelle didn't, she stepped right into it. 177 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,480 She was like, oh my gosh, I'm so happy 178 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,520 that you're talking about this. 179 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:49,940 And yes, we need to be careful on that. 180 00:10:49,940 --> 00:10:52,080 And she showed a number of other signs 181 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:57,080 that had me just go like, wow, I want her to win so big. 182 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,840 Because of the way that she showed up before this. 183 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,480 And I can see that she is on this tenacious path 184 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,920 to help people in life. 185 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,160 And so we're gonna be talking 186 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,520 about making a meaningful impact. 187 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,520 We'll talk about it as solopreneurs, 188 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,880 as people who are driving big companies, as leaders, 189 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,440 maybe even in your own homes, 190 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,640 these principles will be able to apply all over the place. 191 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,880 Before I bring her on stage, 192 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,800 James Bond wrote a book called Brain Glue. 193 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,560 No, not the license to kill guy. 194 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,440 I call this James Bond, the license to feel guy. 195 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,520 And his Ted Talk talks about becoming unforgettable. 196 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:32,540 And how do we do that? 197 00:11:32,540 --> 00:11:35,640 Well, we learned to tell emotional stories 198 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,400 as Les Brown put it, stories. 199 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,300 Wow, man, I'm not Les Brown as you can tell. 200 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:42,920 Facts tell, stories sell, right? 201 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,360 So go listen to the sample on this Brain Glue book. 202 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,760 And you'll realize why Jack Canfield, 203 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,280 the guy who sold 130 million copies of his book, 204 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,380 said we would have to be an idiot as an entrepreneur 205 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:56,660 not to buy Brain Glue. 206 00:11:56,660 --> 00:11:58,120 I highly recommend checking out. 207 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,260 It might give you some of the secret sauces 208 00:12:00,260 --> 00:12:02,660 that can help you go viral and help you understand 209 00:12:02,660 --> 00:12:05,160 how to get your message to stick with people. 210 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,640 The way that Michelle's message stuck in my brain. 211 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:08,600 Then there's Ticker. 212 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,920 Ticker is a platform launched by Sean Tipper, 213 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,240 who we recently had on the show. 214 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,920 And it is a stock trading platform, 215 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,080 or rather an investing platform. 216 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,920 He actually doesn't speak against traders, 217 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,760 but he talks about how there's a stat in the world. 218 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,000 Most people don't know, and that's that traders, 219 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,240 how many traders out there are billionaires? 220 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,800 There are zero day traders who are billionaires. 221 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,700 Oh, and I was like, that's a mic drop if I ever heard one. 222 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:35,160 Don't get lost in the investing world. 223 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,920 Work with smart tools, built by smart people. 224 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,560 Sean Tipper is not just smart. 225 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:42,600 I also saw the amazing type of leader that he is. 226 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:43,600 And I was like, you know what? 227 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,520 Let's just start telling people about this platform 228 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,640 so you guys can go learn about investing 229 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,920 if that's the thing. 230 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,160 And then there's the Water Project. 231 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,640 Last but not least, and something we are not affiliated with, 232 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,200 the Water Project, when it came across my radar, 233 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,020 I chose not to forget about it. 234 00:12:59,020 --> 00:13:00,160 It would have been easy to say, 235 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,640 well, I've never been thirsty in my life. 236 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,480 So why would I think much about this? 237 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,200 Well, I dove in, I took a look, 238 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,720 and I realized that there's millions of people in this world 239 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,600 who don't even have access to clean drinking water. 240 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,840 And I even had a team member one day who said, 241 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,760 Jackson, that's so sad. 242 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,000 Why do you talk about that? 243 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,380 You're going to drive away our audience. 244 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:20,400 And I was like, well, if that's going 245 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,600 to drive away our audience, we've got the wrong audience. 246 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,440 I want people who do care about these things. 247 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,840 So if you invest in one of these projects, 248 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,380 you actually get to pick the project, 249 00:13:29,380 --> 00:13:31,640 and you get to see what the Water Project does 250 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:32,680 to bring it to fruition. 251 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:33,720 You get to see the outcomes. 252 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,160 You know that your money was actually put to good use. 253 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,880 And if you're not in a position to financially invest in this, 254 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,080 my hope is that you'll just stop and take a moment 255 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,280 to dive into Woo a little bit and think, 256 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,920 who would want to help and support this? 257 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,520 Maybe talk about it over dinner with your family. 258 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,280 Maybe share it with that friend who comes to mind. 259 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:52,760 I see these kids celebrate water, 260 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,760 like my kids celebrate Christmas Day. 261 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,100 And I'm like, yeah, I definitely need to pay more attention 262 00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:58,600 to the Water Project. 263 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,280 If you know of another concern out there, 264 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,560 a relief fund, maybe for the hurricanes 265 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:06,140 that just happened, and you want to drop that, 266 00:14:06,140 --> 00:14:07,600 in the comments, please do. 267 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,920 We never know the ripple effect of the good that we do. 268 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,120 And we got 8 billion people to help in this world, 269 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,600 so there's no shortage to dive in and help. 270 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaking of meaningful impact with Michelle McCarthy. 271 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,840 Michelle, welcome to Vision Pro's life. 272 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,760 Thank you so much for having me. 273 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,080 Absolutely. 274 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,280 Let's dive in and make meaningful impact right now 275 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,480 for the people that you typically serve. 276 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,480 So who is your audience, and how do you usually help them? 277 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,360 So my audience is predominantly women 278 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,520 who have ticked off all societal boxes. 279 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,760 So they've got the good paying job, 280 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,200 they have the house, the car, whatever it is, 281 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,000 and they feel really unfulfilled. 282 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,120 They know that they were meant for more, 283 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,320 and they feel stuck. 284 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,480 And they're almost embarrassed to say that they want more 285 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,920 because it feels greedy and it feels, 286 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,640 they should just be grateful for what they have, 287 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,560 but really they have this yearning inside them 288 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,480 that they wanna write a book, they wanna step on stage, 289 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,600 they wanna start their own business, 290 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,720 they wanna grow their business exponentially, 291 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,720 whatever it is, and they don't wanna do it inauthentically, 292 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,280 and they wanna do it with integrity. 293 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:25,280 So my job is to help them figure out the parts of them 294 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,960 that they can weave into their branding, their messaging, 295 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,320 and who they want to become, and help them amplify it 296 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,360 and become that, and then in turn, 297 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,080 get them the opportunities that they want 298 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,240 based on the person they really are, 299 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,520 not on the person that they think society wants them to be. 300 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,560 Wow, that's amazing. 301 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,240 And that bridges the gap for a lot of the next question, 302 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,240 but I think we can dive in even deeper with it. 303 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,240 So, because some people I asked that question to, 304 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,040 and it just comes across a little bit, 305 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,040 I don't know, superficial or weak, 306 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,000 that was not superficial, 307 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,520 weak, that was very deep and clear about, 308 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,000 all right, who it is that you help. 309 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,200 What does the vision look like? 310 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,560 Once they've published that book, 311 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,680 and or they found their authentic self, 312 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,680 or they've come to accept that what matters to them 313 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,440 is more important than what matters 314 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,280 to the rest of the world, 315 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,360 what does the vision look like from there for those people? 316 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,640 I think the sky is the limit for them, 317 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,160 but when they come to me, they don't really know. 318 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,920 The pinnacle is getting a TED Talk, is getting that book. 319 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,680 They can't see beyond it because that is so far out of 320 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,720 what they think is around the possibility. 321 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,680 They're like, I crave it, I want it, I know I can do it, 322 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,040 but I also don't think I can do it. 323 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,080 So they can't see beyond that, 324 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,960 but once they reach that step, 325 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,080 the next step naturally unfolds. 326 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,440 And for each of my clients, that's very, very different. 327 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:58,600 See, that's a big deal. 328 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,760 I'm a big fan of Stephen Covey, right? 329 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Who says, begin with the end in mind. 330 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,280 And I've got like an eternal end. 331 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,920 So that's already secure. 332 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,440 But in terms of like the daily life 333 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,200 and how to live this life, 334 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,120 what has helped me more is beginning with the vision in mind, 335 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:20,040 which is exactly what you're talking about 336 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,240 and how you do that. 337 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,560 Cause I can see the horizon, right? 338 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,760 And I can see the trees that are there, 339 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,120 but until I go over there, 340 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:31,480 I don't know where to go next. 341 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,280 I've got to be able to get to that hilltop 342 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,720 so that I can then determine, 343 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,040 oh, do I wanna go towards the Oasis 344 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,360 or do I wanna go to the forest 345 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:40,360 or do I wanna go to the desert? 346 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,720 Probably not in my case, it's not my thing. 347 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,080 So that sounds like what you're helping people do. 348 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,280 Is that correct? 349 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,120 It is. 350 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:53,000 And what I have found personally as well is 351 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,000 sometimes if you have a really, really big goal, 352 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,280 whether that it will just say have your own TV network show. 353 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,200 But the goal that you can see if you wanna write a book, 354 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,040 okay? 355 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,280 Sometimes if you get so focused on the even bigger goal, 356 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,480 you go, the book is just, it's so small. 357 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,080 I might as well not even do it because it's so insignificant 358 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:21,880 or maybe it wouldn't be a book. 359 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,360 Maybe it might be just starting a podcast. 360 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:27,040 You're like, that's not even without kind of, 361 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,600 you can talk yourself out of it because it's so small 362 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,720 in terms of your big goal, 363 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,200 not realizing it's a stepping stone. 364 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:38,080 So there is absolute power in knowing where you're going. 365 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,040 But also if you get too focused on the end goal, 366 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,000 you can kind of almost dismantle 367 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,360 and not work towards the really small baby steps 368 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,160 that are required. 369 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,120 So yeah. 370 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:54,440 This is like so beyond woo for me. 371 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,080 Like I've never used that word 372 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,120 three times in a podcast show. 373 00:18:58,120 --> 00:18:59,920 But like it's driving me a little bit nuts 374 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,680 because my posts in my workout group yesterday 375 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,560 was literally what you just talked about. 376 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:07,400 Literally. 377 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,360 I literally said like I used to tell myself like, 378 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:15,360 if I can only get the one set in, right? 379 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:18,280 The one rep in, it wasn't worth it 380 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,880 because it wasn't going to lead to me having that awesome 381 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,880 six pack and turning into Lewis Howes or Thor, 382 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,640 pretty much the same person, right? 383 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,320 So I told myself that I'm not gonna do it 384 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,640 because that's just a waste of time. 385 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,920 In reality, I was avoiding the disciplines 386 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,000 and I was marginalizing the necessary steps 387 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,880 that cultivate the field to create the harvest 388 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,560 that then brings all of those results. 389 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,920 So it is really interesting that you help people 390 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,400 capture the value of those little steps 391 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,480 because we have a program called Passion Pro 392 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,800 and it's free and I talked about a little bit. 393 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,840 Well, we want to be able to guide people 394 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,600 that come through that to people like you 395 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,760 who are able to then help them take things to that next level 396 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,840 or consider, where do I go from here 397 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,560 now that I've figured out my passion? 398 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,280 How do I implement this type of stuff? 399 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,720 And you're leading with the same type of principles 400 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,200 that we do, it's very refreshing to find. 401 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,920 So Michelle, what's your vision for you? 402 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,680 Since you might have your big TV goal 403 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,840 and then you might have your book goals, 404 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,760 what do you see for yourself? 405 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,680 I mean, I really wanna say global domination, 406 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,080 but that's, I mean, I'll take it, 407 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,640 but my own personal goals and my own personal vision 408 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,640 is, as I mentioned at the start, 409 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,880 I'm Irish, I'm living in Australia. 410 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,880 I have a daughter here and this is our home, 411 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,880 but I miss my family and Australia and Ireland 412 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,040 are so far apart, it is a pain in the ass to get to. 413 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,760 And what was happening was I'd get invited 414 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,360 to like three weddings a year, a birthday and a christening. 415 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:05,640 And I essentially had to be like, well, I like you the most. 416 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:06,920 So I'm gonna go to your event, 417 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,920 but I can't go to, because I can't go home every year 418 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,800 or I can't go home multiple times a year. 419 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,400 So my own personal vision is to have my cake 420 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,040 and eat it too and be able to create a lifestyle, 421 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,640 be that financial and location freedom 422 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,280 that I can go home whenever I want, multiple times a year. 423 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,280 My daughter can grow up with her aunts and her cousins, 424 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,320 but I don't have to sacrifice the life 425 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,440 and the lifestyle that we've created here. 426 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,240 So that's my own personal vision. 427 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,600 You're gonna love my quote, my favorite quote of mine, 428 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,680 not my favorite quote, my favorite quote of mine, 429 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,680 you can have your cake, you can eat it too, 430 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,480 and you can have a conveyor belt of cakes. 431 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,160 Richard Branson, inspired 100%, LeBron James inspired that. 432 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,560 You can have it. 433 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,080 I hate the quote, the original quote is, 434 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,360 you can't have your cake and eat it too. 435 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,760 It's like, who thought of that? 436 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,880 What pessimist decided that was ever appropriate 437 00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:59,720 to tell people? 438 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,680 Yeah, I love that. 439 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,960 Yeah, it's probably just some mom at a birthday party 440 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,720 being like, you have to share. 441 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,480 It's like, I know it's your birthday, 442 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,520 but these guests came for cake. 443 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,000 So you know, I mean, as a mom, that was probably. 444 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,920 I know, as a dad, I'm like, no, 445 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,920 I'm ignorant to this potential reality. 446 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,720 And you just helped me, you humbled me, I like that. 447 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,440 So Michelle, what's the, on the humbler darker side, 448 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,600 what's the worst leadership experience 449 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:30,760 that you've ever had? 450 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,360 This is, it was quite toxic. 451 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:42,040 I had a leader who was quite volatile 452 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,440 in that they were run by their own emotions and insecurities. 453 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,920 So if they met, if they missed a deadline, 454 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,640 they would turn to the team and find fault 455 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,240 in something that they had done, break them, 456 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,880 essentially to make sure that he still felt like the boss 457 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,600 and the leader and would put everyone else around him down. 458 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,120 If he didn't pull his weight, the same thing would happen. 459 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,160 It was quite, you're always on edge. 460 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,080 And as I said, it was quite toxic. 461 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,000 But the other side of that is when something went wrong, 462 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,040 which inevitably does in everybody's life 463 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,920 and every business, you couldn't turn to him 464 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,920 because you were terrified of getting in trouble. 465 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,960 It was almost like you were a child, you know, 466 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,760 and being berated. 467 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,440 And it would just amplify the problem 468 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,600 because there was no safe space. 469 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,120 And it was just a reminder of the, 470 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:41,880 one, the type of people that I don't want in my life, 471 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,040 and two, the type of leader 472 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,480 that I absolutely definitely do not want to be. 473 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,600 Yeah, absolutely. 474 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,360 That's what I would say is classic inferiority complex. 475 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:54,160 You know, for those of you looking for like, 476 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,400 what are they talking about? 477 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,200 And inferiority complex is definitely a great thing 478 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,800 to look up on YouTube and look for the signs 479 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,360 of somebody who has inferiority complex to protect yourself. 480 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,920 Because the big lesson in that, that I already say, Michelle, 481 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,200 was knowing that I don't want relationships 482 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,880 with people like that in my future, 483 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,960 and you got a healthy boundary on that now. 484 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,480 And a lot of visionaries, 485 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,080 we end up with relationships like that around us 486 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,160 too as visionaries, because if you have, 487 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,240 most people around you can't fathom dreaming big anymore. 488 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,200 And so it's then important to know like, 489 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,400 okay, well, who are my dream big friends 490 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,760 that I talk about the dreams with, 491 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,640 and who are my daily friends, 492 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,360 or family members that don't necessarily understand that? 493 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:41,160 How do I fit into both worlds? 494 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,360 Different topic for another day, YouTube University, 495 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,200 it's the best place to go for that. 496 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,320 So best leadership, 497 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,560 what's the best leadership experience you've ever had? 498 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,720 This was when I was quite young, 499 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,680 I was maybe 15 or 16, and I worked in a hotel. 500 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,280 And I've had many jobs, you know, through over the years, 501 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,280 but this really stuck with me. 502 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,800 And essentially, he was the opposite 503 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,520 of the leader I just explained. 504 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,760 He had an uncanny ability to just make you feel 505 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,120 wanted, accepted, and like you were part of the team. 506 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,640 And he was great in being really personable, 507 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,720 and jokes, and, you know, ask you about your life, 508 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,080 and we'd great fun. 509 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,440 We knew where the line was. 510 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,280 So he never blended it into, you know, 511 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:41,280 being too friendly in that then he couldn't be your manager 512 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,840 or be your leader. 513 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,600 And then like that complete opposite, 514 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,560 when something went wrong, you were able to go to him, 515 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,000 and he would just step up. 516 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,760 He would encourage you to step up. 517 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,000 And it just helped everything. 518 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,600 Like the cogs were well oiled. 519 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,840 It was, you know, I mean, if you did something wrong, 520 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,960 he would, there was a time and a place to pull you aside, 521 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,040 but you just felt like you were being led. 522 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,640 Also, you were part of the team. 523 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,840 And like I said, he was a restaurant manager 524 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,040 in a hotel that I used to work in. 525 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:26,040 And he had such a profound impact on me and my life. 526 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,760 But also I brought some of that forward 527 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,400 when I went into my own managerial roles, 528 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,120 completely different industries, 529 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:39,000 but just that kind of treating people like humans. 530 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,920 It's so, sounds so simplistic, but like it's so, 531 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,240 No, but it's hard work. 532 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,080 You know, and- 533 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:45,920 It's hard work. 534 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:46,760 I had to go through, I mean, 535 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,200 I went through the inferiority complex phase myself. 536 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,040 Oh, I mean, I'm like a very big one. 537 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,320 I was a horrible leader in the early days. 538 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,520 I didn't know how to lead. 539 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,080 Oh, I mean, I was just doing the best I could 540 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,600 with what I had, but we can't justify that 541 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,640 and expect our outcomes to change. 542 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,920 We have to be willing to learn the aspects of, 543 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,440 well, okay, what does it really mean 544 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,480 to show up as a great leader? 545 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,080 And you're talking about leading by example. 546 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,800 You're talking about making room for mistakes. 547 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,920 You're talking about training with people 548 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,400 not necessarily training the person, but with them. 549 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,080 Like there's a lot of little things that we overlook 550 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,040 when we, you know, we have expectations 551 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,440 that are unfair on others all the time, don't we? 552 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,520 Yeah, yeah. 553 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,480 So yeah, I just, I, like I said, 554 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,560 he had such a profound impact on me 555 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,120 and yeah, brought it with me. 556 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,440 And I think about him very often. 557 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,280 So- 558 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,640 Shout out to Mystery Man there. 559 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,480 Yeah. 560 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,560 So, well, we'll leave that where it's at for now. 561 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,400 If you wanna tag him later, of course you're welcome to. 562 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,640 Let's dive into one of my favorite questions. 563 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,840 So if this was the last chance you had, Michelle, 564 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,600 to share something with the earth, 565 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,440 what powerful lesson can other visionaries learn 566 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,520 from your experience? 567 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,040 Nobody knows what they're doing. 568 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,320 Like nobody knows what we're doing. 569 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,680 We're all on a floating rock. 570 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,600 It makes no sense. 571 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,960 Stop holding yourself back. 572 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,960 You know, easier said than done, 573 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,240 but just, I think, just go for it. 574 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,440 I think your goals and your visions are yours for a reason. 575 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,480 And I think life starts on the other side of you 576 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,880 getting out of your own way. 577 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,120 That was really cool. 578 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,720 That's like, if I got a fortune cookie, 579 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,240 you know, I would have like three papers on that one. 580 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,480 And there's so much goodness in what you said. 581 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,480 It was like a daily affirmation paragraph, 582 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,400 but like you did it all at once. 583 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,440 Easier said than done. 584 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,560 I got the whole thing too, which is weird. 585 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,920 I don't normally do that. 586 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,280 I don't even know what I said. 587 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,360 Okay, we're gonna go back over it 588 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,680 because it was so chock full of goodness. 589 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,400 So I'm gonna pull it up. 590 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,600 Let me kill this banner real quick 591 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,520 and then pull that one up. 592 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,360 Cause, whoa, nobody knows what they're doing. 593 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,760 We're all on a floating rock. 594 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,800 I love that by the way. 595 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,560 Stop holding yourself back. 596 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,680 It's easier said than done. 597 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,120 Just go for it. 598 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,800 And there's so much value in pulling all of this. 599 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680 This is like a formula of life, 600 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,600 like right there, adding all of those pieces in. 601 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,080 And you know, I know somebody wants to say, 602 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,240 just keep it simple. 603 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,160 Why don't you just keep it simple? 604 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,360 I love when people oversimplify the simple 605 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,720 just to make you feel inferior. 606 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,800 It's like, golly. 607 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,760 And that was beautiful. 608 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,760 I got a car wreck once and I was probably 16. 609 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,880 My brother was with me and I was panicking. 610 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,720 I was freaking out. 611 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,600 Cause it was my dad's giant truck. 612 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,840 And it was brand new truck that I wrecked. 613 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,520 And so I'm panicking. 614 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,880 He's like, Jackson, he's like, 615 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,600 there are literally millions of pieces of metal 616 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,240 flying at each other in the city all day long. 617 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880 Like they're going to collide, chill. 618 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,200 It happens. 619 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,560 And the floating rock analogy, you know, 620 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,560 like it was like, 621 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,040 I love the way that that was his reaction. 622 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,520 Cause when I worked at CARE when I was 17, 623 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,240 that was not the reaction I got. 624 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,680 Definitely not. 625 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,720 But yeah, I, yes. 626 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,080 I think this also just stems a lot from the people 627 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,520 that I work with. 628 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,640 They, like I said, they know that they want more, 629 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,120 but they're holding themselves back 630 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,720 and they're telling themselves 631 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:31,800 it's because they don't know enough 632 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,000 or they don't have enough confidence 633 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,880 or, you know, insert any excuse. 634 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,720 And yeah, I think, like I said, 635 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,840 nobody knows what they're doing. 636 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,240 We're all figuring it out. 637 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,040 We're all winging it. 638 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,840 So you might as well just wing it with us and just, 639 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,960 you know. 640 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,360 Our intuition is not one to throw us off cliffs. 641 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,600 You know, like I think we imagine that 642 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,800 and that that's not the case, you know? 643 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,240 And so I agree with you. 644 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,520 Like normally we're holding ourselves back 645 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,840 from pretty small realities, you know? 646 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,880 And again, there's a nuance, 647 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,040 but if you're listening to our podcast 648 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,160 and have the time to listen to this, 649 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,280 you're probably not that person, you know, 650 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,320 who needs to be held back from certain things. 651 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,440 So again, a very, very powerful quote to just, you know, 652 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,040 I hope one person out there just uses that 653 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,680 to kind of free themselves to try something new. 654 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,200 And speaking of that, 655 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,080 let's talk about meaningful impact to wrap up. 656 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,040 So meaningful impact. 657 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,120 I have my definition of what that is. 658 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,000 You know, I'm sure you have yours as well. 659 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,560 I bet we both agree on the beauty pageant version of this, 660 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,920 which again, I agree with it, 661 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,520 is even smiling at somebody, 662 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,960 saying hello to somebody makes a meaningful impact, right? 663 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,040 So I'm gonna steal that for us. 664 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,480 But let's dive deeper into this. 665 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,480 What is meaningful impact to you, Michelle? 666 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,640 I think it's living with integrity. 667 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,640 I think it shifts from day to day. 668 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,360 Some days the most meaningful impact you can do 669 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,280 is maybe do nothing. 670 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,120 Maybe you need to rest and recharge. 671 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,800 Maybe it's, you know, 672 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,800 just being a little bit more present with your kids. 673 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,560 And, you know, it's a whole spectrum, 674 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,200 but also it's a whole spectrum for each person. 675 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,200 I think when I delve into like the self-help side of things, 676 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,840 I kind of got into this really weird kind of like, 677 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,920 I always need to be my best and love and light 678 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,920 and you know, all these things, and that's not reality. 679 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,440 And some days like you're a hundred percent is not a hundred percent. 680 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,440 And so, so long as you're doing things with integrity, 681 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,640 you are moving forward. 682 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,640 And, and yeah, to the betterment of... 683 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,120 I don't know if I'm just going to say mankind, humankind, 684 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,240 just the betterment of those around you. 685 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,200 And like, that could just be you and your kid. 686 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,400 It doesn't have to be, we think sometimes it needs to be, 687 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,600 to create impact, it has to be like this big altruistic thing. 688 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,320 And it doesn't because things have a knock on effect. 689 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,120 Since becoming a mother, I've realized that. 690 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,000 But if I do well in raising my kid, 691 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,640 she will go on to do great things. 692 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,480 And, and, you know, and so it continues to flow. 693 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,960 So that's a very long winded answer, but I think just... 694 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,960 A long winded subject. 695 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,800 True. 696 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,200 There's a lot of wind to this. 697 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:38,200 So it's a masterful painting too, that's very hard to quantify. 698 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,520 And I love that you again, your answers gravitate towards kind of you do you. 699 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,160 Like we got to figure out what it is for us. 700 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,360 I'm glad that you said sometimes it's doing nothing. 701 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,760 I think so many of us as entrepreneurs need to hear that. 702 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:54,600 Yeah. 703 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,800 We need to realize like, 704 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,280 and sometimes we unfortunately need the permission, 705 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,640 from somebody else to be able to recognize that. 706 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,120 And that's why it's helpful to have a mastermind or a mentor 707 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,680 or a coach or a business partner, 708 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,880 people who are willing to look out for that. 709 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,000 For me too, I came to really appreciate 710 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,800 my own impact further, it's still work in progress, 711 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,040 but I try to stay focused on just being my best self. 712 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,560 And that's my impact. 713 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,680 So I go get by show up and I do my best today, 714 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,360 including forgiveness for whatever I don't do. 715 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,200 Okay, I gotta be able, if I'm gonna forgive myself, 716 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,760 am I gonna wait till tomorrow and say, 717 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,040 you know what, I'll do better tomorrow 718 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,480 or can I just do it right now and say, 719 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,280 ah, no, I'm good. 720 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,440 All right, now I can use that next minute productively. 721 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,280 I love this. 722 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,320 I love that you said that like your best self, 723 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,360 like to yourself, because I think, 724 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,520 I mean, in the era that I grew up with, 725 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,480 being your best self was sitting down, being polite, 726 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,320 please and thank you. 727 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,360 And being your best self for other people. 728 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,080 For others, yeah, that's not your best self. 729 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,480 That's what everybody else wants us to be. 730 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,840 And I love that, yes. 731 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,520 Yeah, and I'm not saying go out and be rude, obviously, 732 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,640 but you know, sit down, be a quiet girl, 733 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,760 sit in the corner, you know, don't ruffle any feathers. 734 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,720 And over time, that kind of helps, 735 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:25,200 has you switch off answering yourself. 736 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,200 And women in particular. I switched everything off. 737 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,200 I switched it all off. So bad for this. 738 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,800 You know, we're last on the to-do list 739 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,880 and we never get around to it. 740 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,280 So being your best self to yourself is like, 741 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,360 I love this. That's my ammonia. 742 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,200 Well, thank you. 743 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,280 I mean, it's been so liberating to step into. 744 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,280 I grew up completely suppressing who I was, right? 745 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,840 And for a long time. 746 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,400 And then I made it to where I wasn't around toxic people 747 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,760 and I was rediscovering right now who I am now 748 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,000 with new types of relationships. 749 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,320 And again, a lot of us go through this. 750 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,600 I mean, I hope you get the chance. 751 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,760 Those of you who haven't crossed that threshold 752 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,120 of being able to be you, like come and join us. 753 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,240 Come and find friends that will appreciate you 754 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,000 for who you are. 755 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,200 And going through that phase, 756 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,040 I literally like turned off all relationships 757 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,320 with people who wouldn't let me be me. 758 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,960 I mean, I was like a trigger there. 759 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,120 And nowadays, you know, it's interesting 760 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,880 because I'm twice divorced. 761 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,920 So there's a couple of people who have opinions 762 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,040 about my, who I am as a father, who I am as a husband. 763 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,040 And I'm back into a scenario where there's so many people 764 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,040 in my past and present that want to have their own opinion. 765 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,760 Who I am, what I do, how I do things. 766 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,600 And so, but now I've got this new tool set 767 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,160 and the new tool set is, oh no, 768 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,080 like I don't care what you think. 769 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,480 I love you. 770 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,840 And I will always choose to love you 771 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,080 because that's my choice. 772 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,400 I'm empowered with that. 773 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,040 And your opinion does not matter. 774 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,920 I'm doing my best and what I do. 775 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,000 And so I have now positioned, 776 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,640 now I've got a bunch of relationships and friends 777 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,280 and business partners and people around me who support that. 778 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,960 That's the Jackson that they want in their life. 779 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,600 And if that's the one they want in their life, 780 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,560 that's what they're gonna get. 781 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,240 Like, I'm excited to have them around. 782 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,920 But if anybody's coming at us or telling us 783 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,920 that we're in the wrong place or the wrong time, 784 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,040 they're trying to make an impact or an impression on us. 785 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,280 And I like that word a lot 786 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,760 because I don't like to make an impression on others. 787 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,280 And impression means you literally put a dent. 788 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,120 Like you made something happen to somebody else. 789 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,320 Like I'm not designed to make an impression 790 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,520 on somebody else. 791 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:52,920 Go ahead. 792 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,760 Can I ask? 793 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:54,600 Yeah, please. 794 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,520 So, cause this is a lot of where my clients get stuck. 795 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,360 You said that you remove people 796 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,560 that didn't allow you to be yourself. 797 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,280 How did you know or how did you come about 798 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,160 under uncovering who that was, who the real you was? 799 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,880 Because under all that suppression, it's kind of hard. 800 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,720 You don't know. 801 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:17,560 Cause you're- 802 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,400 Step by step. 803 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,240 Yeah. 804 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:20,080 You know what? 805 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,400 One of my favorite, Gage Ritter. 806 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,240 I love you Gage. 807 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:23,080 I haven't seen you in a long time. 808 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,040 We moved to somewhere in Asia back in the day. 809 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,120 So he's helped. 810 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,400 I was going through divorce, right? 811 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,280 My first divorce. 812 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,480 And he was steam mopping my floors with me 813 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,360 trying to help me clean out my house 814 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,960 cause I'm moving to a new apartment. 815 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,120 And I remember this so well because he put soap 816 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,400 in the steam mop and you're only supposed to put water in it. 817 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,160 And so he's literally making my floor is sticky like crazy. 818 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,520 I'm gonna have to clean this whole thing after, 819 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,480 but he's profoundly like opening my eyes 820 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,280 to being authentic and stuff. 821 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,760 And so I'm just listening and taking it in 822 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,160 knowing I'm gonna have to fix all this later. 823 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,040 And Gage says, Jackson, you can't watch a tree grow, man. 824 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,560 He's like, if she can't see your growth, 825 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,240 like that's not your fault. 826 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:07,680 You're doing everything you can. 827 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,880 He's like, but you can't watch the tree grow. 828 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,360 And that really helped me like step into, 829 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,000 oh, it's her loss in this case. 830 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,240 No, it's having a friend like that to appreciate the fact 831 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,480 that it's just gonna take time to move. 832 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,280 And then little things, watching JP Sears, 833 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,640 the long red head guy with the really funny shows on YouTube 834 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,880 where he makes fun of everybody, but like does so nicely. 835 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,960 His Ted talk is all about being able to step 836 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,240 into your authentic self. 837 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,720 And there I was watching that as like a 33 year old, 838 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:47,280 going, I can't, I can't do this. 839 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,360 I can start to be a little bit more like JP Sears, 840 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,120 lean on him while, wait a second, 841 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,320 he's teaching me to be more like me. 842 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,280 And I'm just starting to share stories 843 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,840 that were vulnerable of the past, 844 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,320 like liking Barney and being made fun of for it. 845 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,640 And like, it's not as scary these days. 846 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,800 Growing my hair out, that was terrifying. 847 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,320 I was horrified at the idea of having long hair, Michelle. 848 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,160 Wow. 849 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,160 Inspired me to do it. 850 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,680 And it got comments, you know, 851 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,920 my uncle was like, ugly, you know, 852 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,720 and my little child self, you know, 853 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,400 was like ready to go cut my hair 854 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,720 and like crawl into a hole and die. 855 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,600 And I was like, okay, I'm good. 856 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,000 I can take it, all right. 857 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,360 You know, let him do his thing. 858 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,440 So it just, you know, it took baby steps. 859 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,400 And I just decided, you know what? 860 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,360 If I can do one pushup today, maybe I can do two tomorrow. 861 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,240 If I can do two tomorrow, maybe I can do three the next day. 862 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,520 It goes back to your principle of, 863 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,840 I just, I can't undervalue the minute changes 864 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,840 that can add up in stack to being grateful for who I am. 865 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,840 And I wish everybody felt that way about themselves. 866 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,080 I love that because I think, 867 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,720 cause a lot of what my, when I'm dealing with, 868 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,040 my clients, you know, they're coming at it 869 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,680 from a marketing and a branding perspective 870 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,040 and I always get them to take a step back. 871 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,240 And I love the way that you're talking about 872 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:12,360 like building on bits. 873 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,520 I'm almost talking about the opposite. 874 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,920 It's dismantling. 875 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,640 And when particularly dealing with personal brands, 876 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:20,480 I deal with both, 877 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,440 but particularly dealing with personal brands is, 878 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,400 yeah, you show up online today and you show a little bit 879 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,440 and then that builds your confidence. 880 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,680 You realize you didn't die. 881 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,200 And you know, they're not coming at you with pitchforks. 882 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,240 Like you're fine. 883 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:37,840 And then you slowly start to, it's like two, 884 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,960 it's like a parallel. 885 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,520 You're slowly like dismantling things, 886 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,520 but then you're also showing up. 887 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,280 And it's kind of at each phase, 888 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,520 they both kind of work together. 889 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,320 Yes, no, I want to, I do, 890 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,760 cause I feel like I'm misleading people. 891 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,240 If we don't dive into all of that. 892 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,440 No, there was a phase where I was trying to go live 893 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,280 on Facebook and all that. 894 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,120 And I remember a friend came on and said, 895 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,120 when are you going to give up on all this washed up 896 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,280 Tony Robbins bull crap, like rebate, 897 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,600 discount Tony Robbins stuff. 898 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,480 Like he crushed me with that. 899 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,200 And I was, I blocked the dude. 900 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,200 I was like, oh, that's not a real friend. 901 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,920 You know, and, and I shut down. 902 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,280 I stopped doing it. 903 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,520 It wasn't the right same day, 904 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,520 but it was really hard for me to accept that. 905 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,040 Like, man, is there some truth in what he's saying? 906 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,040 And so there's another Ted talk on how to not get offended. 907 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,960 I don't remember his name, but it's red hair. 908 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:28,800 Phenomenal. 909 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,960 I need to look that one up because I'm such like, 910 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,960 because I think it comes when you're being, 911 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,360 when you're a bit of an empath, 912 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,880 the opposite side of that is you're also, 913 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,880 you can be so easily offended. 914 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,880 You're open for better or for worse. 915 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,680 So a coin flip analogy and how on one side, 916 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,600 the reality is maybe there's partial truth 917 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,520 to what they said. 918 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:56,560 Oh, that's why it hurts. 919 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,000 If it didn't, Brooker Steele. 920 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,640 And on the other side is it's actually, they're not, 921 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,680 there's no truth to what they said, 922 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,800 but it's a reflection of them. 923 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,640 Yeah. 924 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,480 And they're casting that on you. 925 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,000 Like, but his Ted talk is amazing. 926 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,720 I love, actually, I know what to say. 927 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:13,160 You asked me about resources. 928 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,200 Brooker Steele, the life coach of school, 929 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,080 she is, she's phenomenal. 930 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,200 I love her Brook Castillo. 931 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,040 Brook Castillo. 932 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,880 Oh yeah. 933 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:21,720 Yeah. 934 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,280 And she has this analogy. 935 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,560 She's many analogies that I have adopted over the years. 936 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,120 And she has this analogy of, 937 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,600 if somebody told you that they didn't like your blue hair, 938 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,000 would you be insulted? 939 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,440 And you'd be like, no, you're crazy. 940 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,280 My hair is a blue. 941 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,520 Like, what are you, are you blind? 942 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,640 Like there's something wrong with that guy. 943 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,600 You know, and you'd be, and it would just be like, 944 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:42,600 you just walk away being like, 945 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,480 God, that guy was really weird. 946 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,920 It's in the Ted talk. 947 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,760 Is it? 948 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,000 So it's come from him then. 949 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,440 Right. Excellent. 950 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,840 Well, I suppose they're all, yeah. 951 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,000 I think it's brilliant. 952 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,160 And it's just one of those things 953 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,240 that I kind of try to remind myself that it's like, yeah, 954 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:57,880 like you said, it's either a reflection of them, 955 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,400 but then also like if it wasn't true, 956 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,520 or if I didn't believe it was true, 957 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,920 it wouldn't, it wouldn't kind of stick in my brain. 958 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:07,760 That's so good. 959 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,840 We're going to link to that Ted talk 960 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,760 in the show notes as well. 961 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,920 So Michelle, this was, this was a blast. 962 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,640 You taught me a lot in this process. 963 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,760 Those of you who can learn through the experiences 964 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,440 of others, like I think you had a heyday today. 965 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,160 If not, well, best wishes to you. 966 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,200 But we've got in the, in the show notes, 967 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,800 we'll have action steps of how you can get 968 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,880 in touch with Michelle. 969 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,240 We'll also have again, all the resources down there too. 970 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,600 And we'll try to put together a little guide too 971 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,800 of how we use YouTube for our purposes, 972 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,040 for the advancement of our, our team members 973 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,640 and our own personal wellbeing, 974 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,880 because there's so many ways we use it. 975 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,960 And sometimes we take for granted how we know 976 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,840 how to use a resource, right? 977 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,360 And so I want you visionaries to have that type 978 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,880 of resource in hand, because maybe you don't need 979 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,280 that guidance, but maybe your team members do, right? 980 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,520 And so we always want to look at how can we spread the love, 981 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,440 spread the wealth and spread what we're doing. 982 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,720 So without further ado, we'll wrap the show up and, 983 00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:11,480 oh, I do have one, one other call to action. 984 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,200 And that's if you have a vision that you'd like 985 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,520 to share with us, then in the top right corner, 986 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,000 there's a big old button that says, be our guest. 987 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,180 Apply, come be on the show. 988 00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:20,440 Come tell us about what you're up to 989 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,680 and how you're doing things. 990 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,600 And we will see you guys on the next episode 991 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,600 of Vision Pros Live. 992 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,420 Take care everybody. 993 00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:27,760 Thank you for being here today. 994 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,240 I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. 995 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,880 I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions 996 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,160 as these episodes continue to move forward. 997 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,880 This is going to get more and more fun. 998 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,680 We'll have more and more engagement as well. 999 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,800 We'll invite people to participate in the show. 1000 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,160 And thank you for giving us your time and attention. 1001 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,880 Have an excellent time building out your vision 1002 00:45:45,880 --> 00:46:14,240 and becoming a.