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did this vision exactly come from where you figured this part out about, you know, like

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people need to focus other things as well apart from just from professional environment?

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Yeah, that's a good question. I think working with different consultancies and only focusing,

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so running other people's programs on people in their professional lives made me realize that

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there's a big opportunity combined with my experience as a psychotherapist and working

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very deeply with people and, and, you know, all, all, all the joys, but also all the suffering that

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they carried and seeing how that impacted every aspect of their life. It, yeah, that became very

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apparent and very important to me. And so about 10 years ago, I decided that I wanted to start my own

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consulting business and really focus on the whole person and also bring together the intersection of

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leadership, mental health and wellbeing, because most companies, their programs or strategies in

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place to support their people around mental health and then in another area around leadership. And I

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wanted to combine the two because a really strong foundation of leadership is strong mental health.

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You know, if you, you can't have one without the other and, and, and companies weren't thinking in

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a holistic perspective. So with my different experience, that became very apparent to me.

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And, and it feels very natural to me actually, feels just very authentic to do it like that.

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It feels strange to kind of silo those two things.