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Tell me about your vision. My vision is that we are going to have a world where people practice

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more curiosity with themselves and with one another. And Harry, I described this curiosity

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as a practice. It's not something we just have or don't have. We actually have to practice it and

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that we strive to practice it more. Wow. What do you mean? I'm having a hard time describing

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it. How do you stay curious and practice at the same time once you've already figured out the

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curiosity? Well, I don't think we can always stay curious. That's the thing. I think actually there

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are going to be some times where I don't want to be curious. It's just I'm actually feeling very

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judgy right now. And I actually think it's powerful when we acknowledge that. When we acknowledge I

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am not ready to practice curiosity right now because I've got a lot of hurt feelings or I'm

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confused or I'm angry. I think that when people say, oh, just be curious or stay curious, it's

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just it actually doesn't acknowledge how hard practicing curiosity can be. And so I describe

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it as a practice. And I actually think of this practice as having these three elements, the first

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being self-awareness, the second relationship building, and the third is clear communication.

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So I'll just elaborate a little bit more. That self-awareness part is practicing inward curiosity.

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It's getting curious about myself. Why am I, what am I feeling right now?

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What's that based on? What are my, even I've got a book on respect. How do I want respect and why?

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The second part, relationship building is, is this is the part where it's a bit of outward

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curiosity, learn about other people and learn about where they're coming from and then share

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myself with them, share my reactions to their, my interpretations, to their experiences, and also

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share my stories. And so they can, they can react and interpret, and that is back and forth. That's

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reciprocity. And so that we need to have that inward and outward curiosity for the relationship

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building. And the third part is to, is clear communication. So this is about sharing specific

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examples and stories. And so that means actually, I mean, when I talk about respect, people all say,

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what does respect mean to you? And I've heard people say punctuality. Well, why is,

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why is that important to you? Because it is, well, why is it respectful? Because that's what you're

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supposed to do. And so they don't have a specific story. So it can be hard to tell stories. It can

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be vulnerable to tell stories. And so all of this is getting at how curiosity is a practice

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and so my vision is that people will not take curiosity for granted, that we will appreciate

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how difficult it is and acknowledge when we're not ready to do it. And we maybe need to pause

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and say, let me get back to you. I have to think about that, which means maybe I need to think

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about it for myself. Yeah. Wow. That is powerful in which one, which I'm understanding,

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but let's go to the next question. And I think it will get more depth of things.

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Julie, where did this vision of being curious and these three steps come from?

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So, well, first I'll tell you about why my focus on curiosity, and then this kind of one of my

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epiphany moments here. So I, a lot of my work comes from community organizing. It's from bringing

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different volunteers together. And I remember I had this fellowship and there were some people

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who did really well and some people who really struggled and what after the third cohort, I

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realized, oh, the people who are really struggling were fixated on a particular outcome. They wanted

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things to go to plan and the people who are really thriving were just, wow, look at what we're

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learning. I had no idea. We made something out of nothing. And what I saw on Teams was that if you

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had a critical mass of people who, and we identified this as curiosity, if you had a

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critical mass of people who wanted to learn, it could uplift the morale. And the inverse was true.

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If you had a critical mass of people who are so focused on a particular outcome, it could take

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down the morale because there are a lot of people who are bystanders. They're just waiting to see,

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huh, what are the dynamics? Who's going to be talking the loudest? And so actually there are

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a lot of people who are just waiting to see. And so that's when I identified, oh, curiosity is so

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important. Now, so that's when I identified curiosity. And then the practice of it actually

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came from a really painful experience I had. And I actually talk about this in my TEDx talk

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curiosity as a practice where I was presenting on my work and I had actually, I was already in my

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business for a few years and someone just basically said, this is a waste of my time. I don't know why

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we're doing this. And this is in front of all these people. And that's when I realized, wow,

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I think I've been taking curiosity for granted because I knew this person was really a very

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curious person, described herself as curious. I knew. And yet what was it that was so difficult

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at that point? And why was I having the reaction I was? Because it wasn't just her reaction. I was

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kind of freezing up too and feeling a bit defensive. And that's when I realized there's this

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gap between what we expect to happen and what we actually get. And sometimes we were so stuck on

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what we thought should happen. We actually can't go to the other side and really see, explore,

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oh, this is what we have. So what does that mean? So in any case, that's actually what led me to

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start talking about curiosity as a practice, because I think it moves away from this false binary of

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people who are curious and people who aren't curious. Because actually we need to create

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environments where curiosity can thrive and people feel safe.

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Wow. Let's play a little game on this. Let me explain something. So

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one of my very best friends, the owner of First Class Business, if you see the logo at the top

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right corner, he started a community called Opportunities for Latinos, where

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their goal is to bridge the gap between the United States and Latinos in South America when it comes

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to financial resources. Because some of them, if you go down, like Mexico is still that low,

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but if you go south of that, people are struggling hard. There's a lot of struggle. So he created

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these resources where he realized that people could be hired as virtual assistants, but they

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don't have the skills or resources to do so. So he's like, hey, let me create those resources so

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they can learn this and I'll give them all these opportunities and my time and this university

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experience. And I think it has taken off to a great extent. And I am starting the same thing now

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for India. The crazy part is I just got done talking to one of my first, I want to say mentees,

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who he's in India, he's a good friend of mine that I had a chance when I was in India to talk

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to and spend time with. And he's very curious. He's struggling in finances per se. And I think

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this way of curiosity, how you put it, I think would be a very good addition to him. And this is

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what you're curious about. You expect this out of this, that you can get hired and support your

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family. But if you turn your vision to curiosity here, oh my gosh, there's so much more you can get.

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And I'm hoping that the group expands and people see the power impact of it. I think they will

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see that part and they'll get more out of it. So thank you for sharing that. This is something I

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can apply. I don't know how to apply yet. Maybe I'll get along with that. So thank you for sharing

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that. Awesome. Yes.

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Perfect. So my next question for you, Julie, is what is your vibe? What gets you out of

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morning in the bed and keep doing what you're doing every day?

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It's learning. It's learning. It's that desire to just be surprised and feel, oh, this is something

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I didn't know even about myself. I didn't know that I was going to be doing this.

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And knowing that any time I can have a conversation with someone who can give me that

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interpretation that just surprises me, I get a lot of delight from that. And then I also say

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just connections with people. I'm really grateful for all the people in my life and to be able to

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have those relationships is very meaningful to me. And that's where I think with curiosity,

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when we, curiosity isn't just about accumulating knowledge. It's actually about building

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relationships. That's that second element of practicing curiosity, because when we are

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learning together, that's actually when we have to make ourselves a bit vulnerable, because it's

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just, oh, I don't know. Or I'm going to ask you a question that might be kind of risky. And yet in

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that risk, that's when we actually deepen our relationships. And I truly believe that our world

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could be so much healthier with more social connections, with meaningful relationships,

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with real ones, not just followers on Facebook or something like that.

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Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live.

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I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward.

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This is going to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well. We'll invite

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people to participate in the show. And thank you for giving us your time and attention.

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Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a Vision Pro yourself.